HENRI wrote:
> The contents of AA are from Egmont. (Compare it with Kalle Anka & C:O)
> Whenever a reader asks, if they could publish this or that, the answer is
> something like: "We can't decide what is published, but we'll suggest that
> in the next yearly meeting of Egmont editors".
Actually, Finnish editors CAN decide what is published. They can
publish whatever is available. (Egmont (or Disney?) puts published
stories 'on hold' for several years before they can be re-published.
That limits Finnish editors a bit.)
Just for example, 'Horsing Around...' and Don's 'Lost Charts...' were
published as one part stories here in Finland.
/Mikko
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Mikko Henri Juhani Aittola
Disney comics Digest V96 #84
Message 181 -
1996-04-22 at 17:36:59
Cdoberman
Disney comics Digest V96 #78
Message 182 -
1996-04-22 at 19:11:18
Mike P:
>And another one
>about people trying to convert [JW manual] to computer?
This could be very funny if they kept trying to upload it to a computer, but
kept running out of disk space.
-- Wes
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>And another one
>about people trying to convert [JW manual] to computer?
This could be very funny if they kept trying to upload it to a computer, but
kept running out of disk space.
-- Wes
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Harald Havas
Disney comics Digest V96 #85
Message 183 -
1996-04-22 at 20:59:09
JAKOB
1. Ub Iwerks simplified his name: it used to be Ubbe Ert Iwwerks
(born 24/3/1901 in Kansas City, Missouri, his family being from Holland)
2. There are so many things different between the time when
Disney sold millions of comics and today, one doesn't even know where
to start - let's just say, that's the way it used to be and be content...
(and by the way, it just depends: weekly German "Micky Maus" sells 1
Million copies, and I'm sure the Russian and Chinese edition are
doing at least as well)
RICH
1. About DAGOBERT the famous blackmailer... Somebody startet to threaten
a big store-chain with planting bombs unless they pay. This continued
for some time - some bombs really went of (never killing anybody),
sometimes it was tried to give money to the threatener. One way of
making contact he chose, was a small ad in a newspaper using the code
"Onkel Dagobert gruesst seine Neffen" (Uncle D. = $ greets his
nephews), also at one of the several failed attempts a) to give the
money to him and b) to apprehend him, a backpack with DuckTales
motives was found - so the media nicknamed him DAGOBERT.
When finally some of the gimmicks he used to get the money (once a
toy train, the other time a box with sand for street workers, which
he conveniently placed over a gully-hole) resembled elements of
Barks-stories the press and TV jumped on that, suspected comic books
fans and brought comics experts to talk shows etc. It was even
rumored, that the police started to read comics and used them as
references, which was always officialy denied. Finally they caught
him, and he turned out to be quite a normal out-of-work guy, with no
particular interest in comics at all.
He's in prison now (glad to be caught, he said, as he was tired from
outwitting and fleeing the police) and of course sold his story to
privat-TV who made a documentary fiction out of it... Well, at least
it sure brought comics and Barks to the German media!
2. I dont know about *real* history, but in the Goofy-Eiffel-book there is
no mentioning of the Statue of Liberty, not in the story, and not in
the explaining text pages added (are those in the US-edition too?)
3. The way I hear it, Marvel has some ties with Paramount now, and so
they won the rights of Star Trek (just when the books really startetd
to look good and work from a story point of view - $%&#* it!) because
DC is a Warner Bros. company...
4. Er.. where did Roger Rabbit come from, and why would he be dead?
ALL
Excuse my many mistakes in the last edition - it was WAY late when I
wrote them! (Generally I prefer quick answers on e-mail never checking
more than once for spelling etc. I see this as a quick communication
medium not as a paper to earn a degree. So I'm also not very concerned
about my obvious English mistakes, f.e. my way of placing "also" -
I'm never quite sure where to put it...)
---Harald Havas (Email removed)
1. Ub Iwerks simplified his name: it used to be Ubbe Ert Iwwerks
(born 24/3/1901 in Kansas City, Missouri, his family being from Holland)
2. There are so many things different between the time when
Disney sold millions of comics and today, one doesn't even know where
to start - let's just say, that's the way it used to be and be content...
(and by the way, it just depends: weekly German "Micky Maus" sells 1
Million copies, and I'm sure the Russian and Chinese edition are
doing at least as well)
RICH
1. About DAGOBERT the famous blackmailer... Somebody startet to threaten
a big store-chain with planting bombs unless they pay. This continued
for some time - some bombs really went of (never killing anybody),
sometimes it was tried to give money to the threatener. One way of
making contact he chose, was a small ad in a newspaper using the code
"Onkel Dagobert gruesst seine Neffen" (Uncle D. = $ greets his
nephews), also at one of the several failed attempts a) to give the
money to him and b) to apprehend him, a backpack with DuckTales
motives was found - so the media nicknamed him DAGOBERT.
When finally some of the gimmicks he used to get the money (once a
toy train, the other time a box with sand for street workers, which
he conveniently placed over a gully-hole) resembled elements of
Barks-stories the press and TV jumped on that, suspected comic books
fans and brought comics experts to talk shows etc. It was even
rumored, that the police started to read comics and used them as
references, which was always officialy denied. Finally they caught
him, and he turned out to be quite a normal out-of-work guy, with no
particular interest in comics at all.
He's in prison now (glad to be caught, he said, as he was tired from
outwitting and fleeing the police) and of course sold his story to
privat-TV who made a documentary fiction out of it... Well, at least
it sure brought comics and Barks to the German media!
2. I dont know about *real* history, but in the Goofy-Eiffel-book there is
no mentioning of the Statue of Liberty, not in the story, and not in
the explaining text pages added (are those in the US-edition too?)
3. The way I hear it, Marvel has some ties with Paramount now, and so
they won the rights of Star Trek (just when the books really startetd
to look good and work from a story point of view - $%&#* it!) because
DC is a Warner Bros. company...
4. Er.. where did Roger Rabbit come from, and why would he be dead?
ALL
Excuse my many mistakes in the last edition - it was WAY late when I
wrote them! (Generally I prefer quick answers on e-mail never checking
more than once for spelling etc. I see this as a quick communication
medium not as a paper to earn a degree. So I'm also not very concerned
about my obvious English mistakes, f.e. my way of placing "also" -
I'm never quite sure where to put it...)
---Harald Havas (Email removed)
Mike Pohjola
Disney comics Digest V96 #86
Message 184 -
1996-04-23 at 07:50:22
DAVID:
ÄAbout the story your friend made about Donald trying to print a newspaper:Å
The story stayed in my mind for rather long, I still remember it
quite closely, although I didn't think at the time (and still don't) that it
was especially good a story. I think the reason for it staying in my mind was
probably that I thought it was so average. Not overly bad, not overly good.
It was just the kind of Egmont story we've kept seeing for the last thirty
years. And the ending about them fleeing from the town was last used in the 80s
I believe.
Oh, and I read your Egg Collector the other day. I quite liked it,
although I prefer Digging Up Trouble. You using so many "new" characters
(i.e. characters not seen in this half of the century) made me question why
was it a Mickey story? It could've easily been a Donald story without any
new characters, just Donald, HDL and Gladstone.
VIDAR:
>> Have you ever seen him actually kill a whale?
>No, that's sad - that's probably why his companian (Wimson?) is so stupid
Sad that he's never killed a whale? Hallo? Anybody home? What is so
bloody sad about NOT killing? Even if it is just not killing an animal of a
race almost extinct!
MIKKO:
> Actually, Finnish editors CAN decide what is published. They can
> publish whatever is available. (Egmont (or Disney?) puts published
> stories 'on hold' for several years before they can be re-published.
But they frequently print them in America. Is it so then, that Egmont
gives HMC a few stories from which to choose and then they print the ones they
like? And the ones not printed in Aku Ankka are printed in those big 400-page
hc books? Who produces the Italian material seen in Aku Ankan Taskukirja and
Roope-Sedän Taskulehti?
>Horsing Around with History Ä... wasÅ published as one part stories here
But it wouldn't have looked too good in three part form. Pretty awful
in fact, since the story had no real climaxes or turning points or anything
except for the finding of the horse.
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
ÄAbout the story your friend made about Donald trying to print a newspaper:Å
The story stayed in my mind for rather long, I still remember it
quite closely, although I didn't think at the time (and still don't) that it
was especially good a story. I think the reason for it staying in my mind was
probably that I thought it was so average. Not overly bad, not overly good.
It was just the kind of Egmont story we've kept seeing for the last thirty
years. And the ending about them fleeing from the town was last used in the 80s
I believe.
Oh, and I read your Egg Collector the other day. I quite liked it,
although I prefer Digging Up Trouble. You using so many "new" characters
(i.e. characters not seen in this half of the century) made me question why
was it a Mickey story? It could've easily been a Donald story without any
new characters, just Donald, HDL and Gladstone.
VIDAR:
>> Have you ever seen him actually kill a whale?
>No, that's sad - that's probably why his companian (Wimson?) is so stupid
Sad that he's never killed a whale? Hallo? Anybody home? What is so
bloody sad about NOT killing? Even if it is just not killing an animal of a
race almost extinct!
MIKKO:
> Actually, Finnish editors CAN decide what is published. They can
> publish whatever is available. (Egmont (or Disney?) puts published
> stories 'on hold' for several years before they can be re-published.
But they frequently print them in America. Is it so then, that Egmont
gives HMC a few stories from which to choose and then they print the ones they
like? And the ones not printed in Aku Ankka are printed in those big 400-page
hc books? Who produces the Italian material seen in Aku Ankan Taskukirja and
Roope-Sedän Taskulehti?
>Horsing Around with History Ä... wasÅ published as one part stories here
But it wouldn't have looked too good in three part form. Pretty awful
in fact, since the story had no real climaxes or turning points or anything
except for the finding of the horse.
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Vidar Svendsen
Disney comics Digest V96 #86
Message 185 -
1996-04-23 at 13:05:58
On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Mike Pohjola wrote:
> Sad that he's never killed a whale? Hallo? Anybody home? What is so
> bloody sad about NOT killing? Even if it is just not killing an animal of a
> race almost extinct!
the meat is good. AND not all whale-species are "almost extinct".
This is a bit off topic, though, so I think we'll continue this
debate via private mail if you have more to say.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-Vidar
Touch one hair of that tyrkey's head!
Just DARE touch it!
> Sad that he's never killed a whale? Hallo? Anybody home? What is so
> bloody sad about NOT killing? Even if it is just not killing an animal of a
> race almost extinct!
the meat is good. AND not all whale-species are "almost extinct".
This is a bit off topic, though, so I think we'll continue this
debate via private mail if you have more to say.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-Vidar
Touch one hair of that tyrkey's head!
Just DARE touch it!
Ole R. Nielsen
Extra Austrian
Message 186 -
1996-04-23 at 14:12:41
You know you need a life when 3 days of digests results in
a list of 16 subjects to comment to. It's late so I'll pick a few
and leave the rest for next time they come around.
In Austria a digest sized title called "Extra Duck" was
published by Egmont at least in 1990-91. I have six issues, collected in
two 'sammelbands'. It contained exactly the same stories in the same order
as Danish "Onkel Joakim" only a few months later; stories from Italy.
The difference is that there were an additional 28 pages of
non-comic articles, as in the original Italian Topolino series, whereas
all northern European Egmont versions are strictly 100 pages of comics.
Also the German "Donald Duck". A Swiss version, which should only differ
in regard to advertisements is also mentioned in the small print.
The text pieces are hardly interesting to adults, except for a
few Disney related ones; interviews with Giorgio Cavazzano and Johnny
Grote from the German D.O.N.A.L.D. organization. (Are they still around,
and how do I get in touch with them?)
The covers are air-brushed, but not all entirely original; one
of them still looks suspiciously Italian, possibly by Perego.
Harald mentioned comic books in Latin; they were published in
1984 by European Language Institute in Recanati, Italy. The titles are
"Michael Musculus et 'Lapis Sapientiae'" ("MM and the Philosophers Stone")
and "Donaldus Anas atque nox Saraceni" ("DD and the Night of the Saracen").
Both are credited in the Barks Friends catalogue I'm paraphrasing here to
Marco Rota, whom they also claim did the Uxmaal story...
("Objection your honor, that's *hearsay*!")
Arthur: I claimed to spend hours floppying your Webpages, and
though the line is slow, the explanation is also that I couldn't ignore
the link to Dan Shane's Lo$ page, and this is where I spent rest of the
day. But I would like a copy of your pages, for editorial purposes.
--Ole R Nielsen <(Email removed)>
"Extra Duck - Nichts fuer lahme Enten!" ??
a list of 16 subjects to comment to. It's late so I'll pick a few
and leave the rest for next time they come around.
In Austria a digest sized title called "Extra Duck" was
published by Egmont at least in 1990-91. I have six issues, collected in
two 'sammelbands'. It contained exactly the same stories in the same order
as Danish "Onkel Joakim" only a few months later; stories from Italy.
The difference is that there were an additional 28 pages of
non-comic articles, as in the original Italian Topolino series, whereas
all northern European Egmont versions are strictly 100 pages of comics.
Also the German "Donald Duck". A Swiss version, which should only differ
in regard to advertisements is also mentioned in the small print.
The text pieces are hardly interesting to adults, except for a
few Disney related ones; interviews with Giorgio Cavazzano and Johnny
Grote from the German D.O.N.A.L.D. organization. (Are they still around,
and how do I get in touch with them?)
The covers are air-brushed, but not all entirely original; one
of them still looks suspiciously Italian, possibly by Perego.
Harald mentioned comic books in Latin; they were published in
1984 by European Language Institute in Recanati, Italy. The titles are
"Michael Musculus et 'Lapis Sapientiae'" ("MM and the Philosophers Stone")
and "Donaldus Anas atque nox Saraceni" ("DD and the Night of the Saracen").
Both are credited in the Barks Friends catalogue I'm paraphrasing here to
Marco Rota, whom they also claim did the Uxmaal story...
("Objection your honor, that's *hearsay*!")
Arthur: I claimed to spend hours floppying your Webpages, and
though the line is slow, the explanation is also that I couldn't ignore
the link to Dan Shane's Lo$ page, and this is where I spent rest of the
day. But I would like a copy of your pages, for editorial purposes.
--Ole R Nielsen <(Email removed)>
"Extra Duck - Nichts fuer lahme Enten!" ??
Henri Sivonen
Disney comics Digest V96 #86
Message 187 -
1996-04-23 at 16:47:24
Mikko,
> Actually, Finnish editors CAN decide what is published. They can
> publish whatever is available...
> Just for example, 'Horsing Around...' and Don's 'Lost Charts...' were
> published as one part stories here in Finland.
That's new to me. Don't they need Egmont's approval?
-- ___
Henri Sivonen / \
(Email removed) WWW (renewed): | h_|
Fax: +358-0-479387 http://www.clinet.fi/~henris \__
> Actually, Finnish editors CAN decide what is published. They can
> publish whatever is available...
> Just for example, 'Horsing Around...' and Don's 'Lost Charts...' were
> published as one part stories here in Finland.
That's new to me. Don't they need Egmont's approval?
-- ___
Henri Sivonen / \
(Email removed) WWW (renewed): | h_|
Fax: +358-0-479387 http://www.clinet.fi/~henris \__
Fredrik Ekman
The image of a duck
Message 188 -
1996-04-23 at 18:27:34
Don R. wrote:
> It's the license that makes it Donald, not the intent or the visual
> appearance.
We quite obviously disagree here. I think that the disagreement basically
is of a practical nature, however. You cannot collect unlicensed Disney
figurines, since there are so many that your collection would become
unmanageable. (That doesn't stop some collectors from trying, though.
Swedish Mickey Mouse collector Lasse Åberg also collects unlicensed
merchandise.)
I, however, having a very modest collection of "foreign" Disney comic
books, would definitely collect books without a license, if the main
content was Disney characters, since there aren't all THAT many different
titles in the world, anyway. (Not for a collector, that is.)
I am not trying to imply that your view is wrong, nor that mine is right.
It's just... different. Right?
/F
> It's the license that makes it Donald, not the intent or the visual
> appearance.
We quite obviously disagree here. I think that the disagreement basically
is of a practical nature, however. You cannot collect unlicensed Disney
figurines, since there are so many that your collection would become
unmanageable. (That doesn't stop some collectors from trying, though.
Swedish Mickey Mouse collector Lasse Åberg also collects unlicensed
merchandise.)
I, however, having a very modest collection of "foreign" Disney comic
books, would definitely collect books without a license, if the main
content was Disney characters, since there aren't all THAT many different
titles in the world, anyway. (Not for a collector, that is.)
I am not trying to imply that your view is wrong, nor that mine is right.
It's just... different. Right?
/F
David A Gerstein
The Gladstone Website: open for a test run
Message 189 -
1996-04-23 at 18:32:52
The Gladstone Website is now ready to try out, with lots of
juicy material awaiting your perusal. It's both a site with some
interesting reading -- lots of it -- and a way to order things from
Gladstone's catalog. So why not swing by and see it.
It may only be available for a while, as next month I'll be
graduating from Williams and will not have web access for a while. If
Arthur or anyone else who already has Disney-oriented web space would
like to maintain the pages then, please get in touch with me
IMMEDIATELY... you'd only be maintaining them, natch, until Gladstone
decided if they wanted to keep them going themselves. But it would be
nice to give them a longer test run than I'll be able to do.
In the meantime, enjoy the Gladstone web pages for this brief
time that they'll be on-line for their test run!
The code is deceptively similar to my earlier page. It is
http://wso.williams.edu/~dgerstei/gladstone
Waddle on down and send in your input, orders, whatever. I'm
glad to take suggestions and I'll be printing the order forms that are
sent in and sending them straight to Gladstone.
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
juicy material awaiting your perusal. It's both a site with some
interesting reading -- lots of it -- and a way to order things from
Gladstone's catalog. So why not swing by and see it.
It may only be available for a while, as next month I'll be
graduating from Williams and will not have web access for a while. If
Arthur or anyone else who already has Disney-oriented web space would
like to maintain the pages then, please get in touch with me
IMMEDIATELY... you'd only be maintaining them, natch, until Gladstone
decided if they wanted to keep them going themselves. But it would be
nice to give them a longer test run than I'll be able to do.
In the meantime, enjoy the Gladstone web pages for this brief
time that they'll be on-line for their test run!
The code is deceptively similar to my earlier page. It is
http://wso.williams.edu/~dgerstei/gladstone
Waddle on down and send in your input, orders, whatever. I'm
glad to take suggestions and I'll be printing the order forms that are
sent in and sending them straight to Gladstone.
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
Harald Havas
Disney comics Digest V96 #86
Message 190 -
1996-04-23 at 19:59:24
DAVID
Just for the records: the advertisment for the first Mickey daily
announces Pete as "Terrible Tom - The Vile Villain". (Minnie, by the
way, is introduced as "Mickey's Fickle Frivolous Flapper"...)
>JORGEN (who think Super Goof should be mothballed to)
Super-Clarabella too?
DON R.
Actually Ehapa referred to Goldie (I THOUGHT "Nelly" was a
translation...) AND the contract about the hill-property in
Duckburgh in that footnote, which made the whole deal so confusing...
Thanks for pointing this out. Maybe they will print "His Majesty
McDuck" in one of the next books.
PS: What made things even more confusing, was that they used Uncle
Scrooge and Goldie in a very intimate position (standing on a hill
beneath the Aurea Borealis) as cover of album # 4 (parts 7&8),
whereas they never meet in the series.
---Harald Havas (Email removed)
Just for the records: the advertisment for the first Mickey daily
announces Pete as "Terrible Tom - The Vile Villain". (Minnie, by the
way, is introduced as "Mickey's Fickle Frivolous Flapper"...)
>JORGEN (who think Super Goof should be mothballed to)
Super-Clarabella too?
DON R.
Actually Ehapa referred to Goldie (I THOUGHT "Nelly" was a
translation...) AND the contract about the hill-property in
Duckburgh in that footnote, which made the whole deal so confusing...
Thanks for pointing this out. Maybe they will print "His Majesty
McDuck" in one of the next books.
PS: What made things even more confusing, was that they used Uncle
Scrooge and Goldie in a very intimate position (standing on a hill
beneath the Aurea Borealis) as cover of album # 4 (parts 7&8),
whereas they never meet in the series.
---Harald Havas (Email removed)
Donald D. Markstein
Junkville Journal
Message 191 -
1996-04-23 at 20:44:00
DWIGHT:
"Uncle" Egmont? I always thought of Egmont as more the nephew type. You
know -- Gladstone Gander's unlucky nephew, Egmont; or Gyro Gearloose's stupid
nephew, Egmont; or Egmont the law-abiding Beagle nephew... (Too bad, as you've
pointed out, this only works in English.)
I'm not so sure recreational reading has really declined. Fewer people
read, but I think most of the decline has been among those whose primary source
of information was the written word. Nowadays, people who don't particularly
care for reading turn on the TV to find out what's going on in the world,
whereas a couple of generations ago, they read the newspaper. I think about the
same percentage read for pleasure as always did; it's just that the kids now
read GOOSEBUMPS instead of WDC&S. I don't pretend to understand fully why the
American comics industry is in such deep recession right now, but I suspect it
has a lot to do with having shot itself in the foot so many times.
FREDRIK EKMAN:
"I, as a Disney comics fan, _would_ see them as Disney comics. They _are_
comics, after all, and they contain Disney characters. What more do you want?"
Which brings up an interesting question -- are the Air Pirates comics of
the early 1970s Disney comics? They're comics and they contain Disney
characters, but unauthorized to the point where the Air Pirates were sued within
an inch of their lives.
DAVID:
"it was you, not Tryg, who mentioned Paul Bunyan"
I knew that.
I don't know specifically where I got my info on Paul Bunyan, but it's
been kicking around my brain for a good while now. Your version sounds a lot
more complicated and less easy to pin down than mine, which is why it's probably
closer to correct. I do know that my father (who was in school during the 1920s
and '30s) claimed never to have heard of Paul Bunyan until he was grown.
Glad you got a story idea out of the research. That stuff never goes to
waste, does it?
RICH:
I always assumed the reason Mim and the Beagles were contemporaries had
nothing to do with her longevity, but with the basic fact that ALL Disney toons
seem to take place during the same time period, in the same neighborhood, at
least insofar as comic-book crossovers are concerned. (Or did before they split
the American license into "classic" and "modern" characters, anyway.) Since I'd
have trouble laying out a world in which Jiminy Cricket lives within walking
distance of both the Victorian London of PETER PAN and Duckburg, I don't worry
much about it. Mim meets the Beagle Boys? Okay, that doesn't take any more
mental gymnastics than does the fact that Gus and Jacque are among the vermin
that infest Grandma Duck's barn. The Beagles probably have to stroll past the
Aristokittens and King Louie to get to Mim's house. (And they were doing all
this years before Marvel "invented" the idea of having all their characters meet
and interact as often as I run into my neighbors at the grocery store.)
HARALD:
Did I put the question about the database under the wrong person's name?
Sorry.
JORGEN:
I'm mildly shocked whenever I see a reference to Super Goof, myself. He
should have stayed in the '60s, when, appropriately enough, he started. Don't
these people know he (like Captain America, Atomic Mouse and Popeye) gets his
super powers from DRUGS?
DON R.:
About 15 years ago, in a head shop (a place to buy drug paraphernalia,
for all you youngsters and non-Americans -- I used to check out places like that
for the underground comics), I ran across a shelf full of bongs (devices for
smoking marijuana, kids) in the shapes of Disney characters. The clerk told me
their most popular one was "Dopey". I wound up buying my namesake, and still
have it stashed away in a box somewhere.
Now, obviously, these things were not licensed -- in fact, on my next
visit to the shop, I found that the producer had been most emphatically put out
of business -- but they were cast directly from authorized statuettes made in
the 1940s.
If I were called upon to classify them, I guess the circumstances of
their manufacture would make them "genuine counterfeits", if that's a usable
term, as opposed to -- I don't know -- unauthorized rip-offs, or something. What
do you think? Are these borderline items?
Quack,
Don Markstein
"Uncle" Egmont? I always thought of Egmont as more the nephew type. You
know -- Gladstone Gander's unlucky nephew, Egmont; or Gyro Gearloose's stupid
nephew, Egmont; or Egmont the law-abiding Beagle nephew... (Too bad, as you've
pointed out, this only works in English.)
I'm not so sure recreational reading has really declined. Fewer people
read, but I think most of the decline has been among those whose primary source
of information was the written word. Nowadays, people who don't particularly
care for reading turn on the TV to find out what's going on in the world,
whereas a couple of generations ago, they read the newspaper. I think about the
same percentage read for pleasure as always did; it's just that the kids now
read GOOSEBUMPS instead of WDC&S. I don't pretend to understand fully why the
American comics industry is in such deep recession right now, but I suspect it
has a lot to do with having shot itself in the foot so many times.
FREDRIK EKMAN:
"I, as a Disney comics fan, _would_ see them as Disney comics. They _are_
comics, after all, and they contain Disney characters. What more do you want?"
Which brings up an interesting question -- are the Air Pirates comics of
the early 1970s Disney comics? They're comics and they contain Disney
characters, but unauthorized to the point where the Air Pirates were sued within
an inch of their lives.
DAVID:
"it was you, not Tryg, who mentioned Paul Bunyan"
I knew that.
I don't know specifically where I got my info on Paul Bunyan, but it's
been kicking around my brain for a good while now. Your version sounds a lot
more complicated and less easy to pin down than mine, which is why it's probably
closer to correct. I do know that my father (who was in school during the 1920s
and '30s) claimed never to have heard of Paul Bunyan until he was grown.
Glad you got a story idea out of the research. That stuff never goes to
waste, does it?
RICH:
I always assumed the reason Mim and the Beagles were contemporaries had
nothing to do with her longevity, but with the basic fact that ALL Disney toons
seem to take place during the same time period, in the same neighborhood, at
least insofar as comic-book crossovers are concerned. (Or did before they split
the American license into "classic" and "modern" characters, anyway.) Since I'd
have trouble laying out a world in which Jiminy Cricket lives within walking
distance of both the Victorian London of PETER PAN and Duckburg, I don't worry
much about it. Mim meets the Beagle Boys? Okay, that doesn't take any more
mental gymnastics than does the fact that Gus and Jacque are among the vermin
that infest Grandma Duck's barn. The Beagles probably have to stroll past the
Aristokittens and King Louie to get to Mim's house. (And they were doing all
this years before Marvel "invented" the idea of having all their characters meet
and interact as often as I run into my neighbors at the grocery store.)
HARALD:
Did I put the question about the database under the wrong person's name?
Sorry.
JORGEN:
I'm mildly shocked whenever I see a reference to Super Goof, myself. He
should have stayed in the '60s, when, appropriately enough, he started. Don't
these people know he (like Captain America, Atomic Mouse and Popeye) gets his
super powers from DRUGS?
DON R.:
About 15 years ago, in a head shop (a place to buy drug paraphernalia,
for all you youngsters and non-Americans -- I used to check out places like that
for the underground comics), I ran across a shelf full of bongs (devices for
smoking marijuana, kids) in the shapes of Disney characters. The clerk told me
their most popular one was "Dopey". I wound up buying my namesake, and still
have it stashed away in a box somewhere.
Now, obviously, these things were not licensed -- in fact, on my next
visit to the shop, I found that the producer had been most emphatically put out
of business -- but they were cast directly from authorized statuettes made in
the 1940s.
If I were called upon to classify them, I guess the circumstances of
their manufacture would make them "genuine counterfeits", if that's a usable
term, as opposed to -- I don't know -- unauthorized rip-offs, or something. What
do you think? Are these borderline items?
Quack,
Don Markstein
Arthur De Wolf
Various things
Message 192 -
1996-04-23 at 21:49:41
Hi!
DAVID GERSTEIN:
Wow! You're pages look VERY nice now. I like the pictures of the
covers and I also liked the background very much!
Sorry to hear that you won't have web access within a month. I'd
be honoured to maintain the Gladstone-page for you, but I'm afraid I
don't have enough webspace for it. I've seen the size of the pictures
(about 40Kb each), and that's just TOO much for me.
OLE R NIELSEN:
Thanks again for your info on Austria. I want to index the Latin
comics. What country do you think I should put them in? (Italy?)
DON ROSA:
I found a Disney comic from Hong Kong in a Chinese bookshop,
here in the Netherlands. And you know what? Some of your ducks
are used to illustrate a puzzle here and there. Isn't that cool? :-D
HARALD:
What do you mean? Isn't your comic from Burma?
JAKOB:
You said: "OK, so it wasn't the purpose of my journey ..."
No ofcourse not! The purpose of your journey was to see ME! ;-)
Bye!
Arthur de Wolf --- Roosendaal, the Netherlands
email: <(Email removed)> or <(Email removed)>
homepage: http://www.pi.net/~wolfman/disney (still under construction)
"Posters who post previeus posts are posting posts posted to help
similar posts previously posted perteining to similar posted posts"
DAVID GERSTEIN:
Wow! You're pages look VERY nice now. I like the pictures of the
covers and I also liked the background very much!
Sorry to hear that you won't have web access within a month. I'd
be honoured to maintain the Gladstone-page for you, but I'm afraid I
don't have enough webspace for it. I've seen the size of the pictures
(about 40Kb each), and that's just TOO much for me.
OLE R NIELSEN:
Thanks again for your info on Austria. I want to index the Latin
comics. What country do you think I should put them in? (Italy?)
DON ROSA:
I found a Disney comic from Hong Kong in a Chinese bookshop,
here in the Netherlands. And you know what? Some of your ducks
are used to illustrate a puzzle here and there. Isn't that cool? :-D
HARALD:
What do you mean? Isn't your comic from Burma?
JAKOB:
You said: "OK, so it wasn't the purpose of my journey ..."
No ofcourse not! The purpose of your journey was to see ME! ;-)
Bye!
Arthur de Wolf --- Roosendaal, the Netherlands
email: <(Email removed)> or <(Email removed)>
homepage: http://www.pi.net/~wolfman/disney (still under construction)
"Posters who post previeus posts are posting posts posted to help
similar posts previously posted perteining to similar posted posts"
RMorris306
Disney comics Digest V96 #86
Message 193 -
1996-04-24 at 00:17:28
Hi again!
David Gerstein:
Thanks for the background on Paul Bunyan! It seems W. B. Laughead had
the same relationship to him that Joel Chandler Harris did to Brer Rabbit--he
didn't create the character and never claimed he did, but was the first to
write down, for general audiences, the stories from what had been a largely
oral tradition.
For Disney's Paul Bunyan cartoon, no credit was given to Laughead or
anyone else (as opposed to its use of Brer Rabbit in "Song of the South,"
which did credit Harris--as well as using his narrator, Uncle Remus, in a
more substantial role than any Harris gave him). I have to agree that the UPA
style seems a bit strange in retrospect (especially since it's been said that
Walt hated that style), but I've never seen the actual cartoon in its
original form...just the version in "Three Tall Tales," where (much to the
late Don Thompson's disgust) the original three narrators were redubbed by
Paul Frees as Ludwig von Drake. (Speaking of Ludwig, supposedly Donald's
uncle, how does he fit into the Duck family tree, since his name is neither
Duck nor McDuck? All I can figure is that he married one of Grandma Duck's
daughters...)
David also wrote:
<<The story in which the Ducks send a package to Gyro in
Duckburg is not Don's "Treasury of Croesus" but Romano Scarpa's "Colossus of
the Nile" (USA 37-38).>>
You're right, of course--I was thinking of the wrong story. That should
teach me to put my back issues where I can find them more easily! My
apologies to you, Don, and Romano Scarpa, although I did remember that it was
a story set in the Mediterranean area by one of my favorite current Duck
people!
<<There have been some [of Pete's names] we've never even mentioned. Before
1930, he was sometimes called Putrid Pete and Bootleg Pete. And there's a
late-1970s story where he's referred to as Bold Pete (a strangely positive
appelation that doesn't really roll off the tongue that well). He was called
"Sneaky Pete" for a little while too... This name was
eventually shown the door when it was decided that, given that this was the
name of a certain mixed drink, it would imply that Pete got his name by being
an alcoholic.>>
But is it any worse than "Bootleg Pete?" I could see toning him down if
he were the hero of the stories, but he's usually the villain. Do kids
emulate villains? (Well, when this question came up on the Ozzy Digest, it
was answered in the affirmative, so perhaps...)
Dwight Decker wrote:
<< <Now, how come people don't buy Disney-comics nowadays?
<<The American comics market has suffered a disastrous recession. First TV,
then later video games, and the general decline in recreational reading,
along with drying-up of traditional distribution outlets, and drastically
higher prices, have all been contributing factors.>>
Still another one might simply be the relative lack of prominence of the
Disney characters to our generation. Like many baby-boom kids, I saw cartoons
about Bugs Bunny and the Warner crew, Popeye, Casper, and many of the other
classic Hollywood figures all the time... but Disney's control over most of
its animation was to an extent self-defeating. Especially after the "Mickey
Mouse Club" went off the air, the only place one could see a Disney cartoon
was on "Wonderful World of Disney," and that only infrequently. They seemed
to choose the subjects for the shows in inverse order of my personal
preference: not that many cartoons (which I liked best), some
comedy/adventure things like "The Horse Without a Head" and "Escapade in
Florence" (which I liked, but not as much), and a lot of animal/nature shows
(which I liked least)...all of which made me a relatively infrequent Disney
show follower... As a result (and I know I'm not the only one), when I read a
Mickey Mouse story I have no trouble "hearing" the voices Walt and Pinto
Colvig originated for Mickey and Goofy, but I still have trouble "hearing"
Clarence Nash's voice when I read a Barks story about Donald.
Frank Fabian and Harald Havas:
Thanks for the background on Dagobert's capture. It just goes to show
how good news doesn't get the international circulation of bad news. (Out of
curiosity, how much did European news media mention about the Unabomber, if
anything?)
Don Rosa wrote:
<<I used a zip-code in "The Treasury of Croesus" where the Ducks send a
package to Gyro in Duckburg???? One of us has gone wacky -- there's no such
scene in that story! >>
Absolutely! That was Scarpa, and it should teach me to pay more
attention to where I put my recent comics so I won't make mistakes like that
again!
Harald Havas wrote:
<<The way I hear it, Marvel has some ties with Paramount now, and so they won
the rights of Star Trek (just when the books really startetd to look good and
work from a story point of view - $%&#* it!) because DC is a Warner Bros.
company...>>
Uh, what ties? I know it's hard to keep track of the current wave of
corporate mergers and acquisitions (it's just become official that my own
employer, NYNEX, will soon be swallowed up by Bell Atlantic), but last I
heard, Marvel was owned by Ron Perelman's company, Revlon. In fact, part of
the reason Marvel's never had a successful big-screen movie based on its
characters seems to be that it lacks the ties to a big studio that DC has to
Warner (which released the successful Batman movies). Other Paramount
properties have been licensed to DC and other comics companies (e.g., Dark
Horse currently publishes the adventures of Indiana Jones)--indeed, it's a
Warner-affiliated station (Ch. 56) that shows DEEP SPACE 9 in Boston. What
few ties Marvel had with Star Trek and Paramount seemed to be entirely
through its Malibu subsidiary, now virtually defunct.
This took longer than I thought because I had some trouble with the new
computer, but it seems to be fixed now. More next time!
Rich Morrissey
4. Er.. where did Roger Rabbit come from, and why would he be dead?
David Gerstein:
Thanks for the background on Paul Bunyan! It seems W. B. Laughead had
the same relationship to him that Joel Chandler Harris did to Brer Rabbit--he
didn't create the character and never claimed he did, but was the first to
write down, for general audiences, the stories from what had been a largely
oral tradition.
For Disney's Paul Bunyan cartoon, no credit was given to Laughead or
anyone else (as opposed to its use of Brer Rabbit in "Song of the South,"
which did credit Harris--as well as using his narrator, Uncle Remus, in a
more substantial role than any Harris gave him). I have to agree that the UPA
style seems a bit strange in retrospect (especially since it's been said that
Walt hated that style), but I've never seen the actual cartoon in its
original form...just the version in "Three Tall Tales," where (much to the
late Don Thompson's disgust) the original three narrators were redubbed by
Paul Frees as Ludwig von Drake. (Speaking of Ludwig, supposedly Donald's
uncle, how does he fit into the Duck family tree, since his name is neither
Duck nor McDuck? All I can figure is that he married one of Grandma Duck's
daughters...)
David also wrote:
<<The story in which the Ducks send a package to Gyro in
Duckburg is not Don's "Treasury of Croesus" but Romano Scarpa's "Colossus of
the Nile" (USA 37-38).>>
You're right, of course--I was thinking of the wrong story. That should
teach me to put my back issues where I can find them more easily! My
apologies to you, Don, and Romano Scarpa, although I did remember that it was
a story set in the Mediterranean area by one of my favorite current Duck
people!
<<There have been some [of Pete's names] we've never even mentioned. Before
1930, he was sometimes called Putrid Pete and Bootleg Pete. And there's a
late-1970s story where he's referred to as Bold Pete (a strangely positive
appelation that doesn't really roll off the tongue that well). He was called
"Sneaky Pete" for a little while too... This name was
eventually shown the door when it was decided that, given that this was the
name of a certain mixed drink, it would imply that Pete got his name by being
an alcoholic.>>
But is it any worse than "Bootleg Pete?" I could see toning him down if
he were the hero of the stories, but he's usually the villain. Do kids
emulate villains? (Well, when this question came up on the Ozzy Digest, it
was answered in the affirmative, so perhaps...)
Dwight Decker wrote:
<< <Now, how come people don't buy Disney-comics nowadays?
<<The American comics market has suffered a disastrous recession. First TV,
then later video games, and the general decline in recreational reading,
along with drying-up of traditional distribution outlets, and drastically
higher prices, have all been contributing factors.>>
Still another one might simply be the relative lack of prominence of the
Disney characters to our generation. Like many baby-boom kids, I saw cartoons
about Bugs Bunny and the Warner crew, Popeye, Casper, and many of the other
classic Hollywood figures all the time... but Disney's control over most of
its animation was to an extent self-defeating. Especially after the "Mickey
Mouse Club" went off the air, the only place one could see a Disney cartoon
was on "Wonderful World of Disney," and that only infrequently. They seemed
to choose the subjects for the shows in inverse order of my personal
preference: not that many cartoons (which I liked best), some
comedy/adventure things like "The Horse Without a Head" and "Escapade in
Florence" (which I liked, but not as much), and a lot of animal/nature shows
(which I liked least)...all of which made me a relatively infrequent Disney
show follower... As a result (and I know I'm not the only one), when I read a
Mickey Mouse story I have no trouble "hearing" the voices Walt and Pinto
Colvig originated for Mickey and Goofy, but I still have trouble "hearing"
Clarence Nash's voice when I read a Barks story about Donald.
Frank Fabian and Harald Havas:
Thanks for the background on Dagobert's capture. It just goes to show
how good news doesn't get the international circulation of bad news. (Out of
curiosity, how much did European news media mention about the Unabomber, if
anything?)
Don Rosa wrote:
<<I used a zip-code in "The Treasury of Croesus" where the Ducks send a
package to Gyro in Duckburg???? One of us has gone wacky -- there's no such
scene in that story! >>
Absolutely! That was Scarpa, and it should teach me to pay more
attention to where I put my recent comics so I won't make mistakes like that
again!
Harald Havas wrote:
<<The way I hear it, Marvel has some ties with Paramount now, and so they won
the rights of Star Trek (just when the books really startetd to look good and
work from a story point of view - $%&#* it!) because DC is a Warner Bros.
company...>>
Uh, what ties? I know it's hard to keep track of the current wave of
corporate mergers and acquisitions (it's just become official that my own
employer, NYNEX, will soon be swallowed up by Bell Atlantic), but last I
heard, Marvel was owned by Ron Perelman's company, Revlon. In fact, part of
the reason Marvel's never had a successful big-screen movie based on its
characters seems to be that it lacks the ties to a big studio that DC has to
Warner (which released the successful Batman movies). Other Paramount
properties have been licensed to DC and other comics companies (e.g., Dark
Horse currently publishes the adventures of Indiana Jones)--indeed, it's a
Warner-affiliated station (Ch. 56) that shows DEEP SPACE 9 in Boston. What
few ties Marvel had with Star Trek and Paramount seemed to be entirely
through its Malibu subsidiary, now virtually defunct.
This took longer than I thought because I had some trouble with the new
computer, but it seems to be fixed now. More next time!
Rich Morrissey
4. Er.. where did Roger Rabbit come from, and why would he be dead?
Gaiist
Disney comics Digest V96 #84
Message 194 -
1996-04-24 at 04:33:43
DON MARKSTEIN:
>>I think people mostly just find Mr. D's manner irritating. The >>fact that
he claims to be superstitious about giving out his >>name is just icing on
the cake. One wonders if he'd still act >>like a supercilious jerk if we knew
as much about him as he >>knows about us.
Who said anything about superstitious? Paranoid, maybe, but not
superstitious, at least not in this instance.
I still don't understand this to-do about my surname. If I had used a phoney
full name from the beginning, no one would have been offended. It seems that
what did me in was using my REAL first name and last initial. I guess I'll
know better the next time I post to a newsgroup.
As far as my "superciliousness", I'm sorry if I come off that way. But I've
been reading and loving comics for more than forty years; and I become a bit
more cynical every time I see how much time and creative energy is wasted on
superhero rubbish while humor has all but become extinct.
Furthermore, I would hope that more people would like to see objective
criticism here about Disney Comics, rather than "angels on the head of the
pin" type verbiage about the name of the fourth nephew.
Robert Davidson
>>I think people mostly just find Mr. D's manner irritating. The >>fact that
he claims to be superstitious about giving out his >>name is just icing on
the cake. One wonders if he'd still act >>like a supercilious jerk if we knew
as much about him as he >>knows about us.
Who said anything about superstitious? Paranoid, maybe, but not
superstitious, at least not in this instance.
I still don't understand this to-do about my surname. If I had used a phoney
full name from the beginning, no one would have been offended. It seems that
what did me in was using my REAL first name and last initial. I guess I'll
know better the next time I post to a newsgroup.
As far as my "superciliousness", I'm sorry if I come off that way. But I've
been reading and loving comics for more than forty years; and I become a bit
more cynical every time I see how much time and creative energy is wasted on
superhero rubbish while humor has all but become extinct.
Furthermore, I would hope that more people would like to see objective
criticism here about Disney Comics, rather than "angels on the head of the
pin" type verbiage about the name of the fourth nephew.
Robert Davidson
REZTNAP
"First time caller"
Message 195 -
1996-04-24 at 05:58:38
All: A quick introduc(k)tion...I am Gary Pantzer, age 45 from central NY,USA
and have enjoyed the various duck comics all my life. My behind-the-scenes
knowledge is very
limited (nill, actually). I am just a fan who never looked past the physical
comic book before. I am just now becoming interested in the talents that
create these wonderful stories, so I will not be adding much to your
discussions. I can make an observation or ask a VBQ (very basic question)
once in awhile, I hope.
I enjoy reading this list, even if most of it goes over my head. I only
realized recently
how popular the ducks are in other parts of the world. It's nice to think
there are places
where Donald and $crooge outsell Spawn (if you don't get the reference...all
the better).
Don Rosa:
Thank you for your reply and birthday wishes. I agree with your view on the
"coverless"
comics and was very upset with Gladstone's timing. I wish they had waited
until Lo$
was completed instead of switching formats with episode 10. Regarding WDC&S,
I
am trying to it find on the stands with no luck. I spoke to my regular dealer
who said he
would only fill subscription orders for it because of the price. This shop
does carry the
other titles. I also called a large shop in Syracuse (open 24 hours, tv ads)
and they
have the same policy.
VBQ: Why are the stories I read in Gladstone apparently published overseas
first?
and have enjoyed the various duck comics all my life. My behind-the-scenes
knowledge is very
limited (nill, actually). I am just a fan who never looked past the physical
comic book before. I am just now becoming interested in the talents that
create these wonderful stories, so I will not be adding much to your
discussions. I can make an observation or ask a VBQ (very basic question)
once in awhile, I hope.
I enjoy reading this list, even if most of it goes over my head. I only
realized recently
how popular the ducks are in other parts of the world. It's nice to think
there are places
where Donald and $crooge outsell Spawn (if you don't get the reference...all
the better).
Don Rosa:
Thank you for your reply and birthday wishes. I agree with your view on the
"coverless"
comics and was very upset with Gladstone's timing. I wish they had waited
until Lo$
was completed instead of switching formats with episode 10. Regarding WDC&S,
I
am trying to it find on the stands with no luck. I spoke to my regular dealer
who said he
would only fill subscription orders for it because of the price. This shop
does carry the
other titles. I also called a large shop in Syracuse (open 24 hours, tv ads)
and they
have the same policy.
VBQ: Why are the stories I read in Gladstone apparently published overseas
first?