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On Apr 23, 9:33pm, (Email removed) wrote:
> Subject: Re: Disney comics Digest V96 #84
>
> Furthermore, I would hope that more people would like
> to see objective criticism here about Disney Comics,
> rather than "angels on the head of the pin" type verbiage
> about the name of the fourth nephew.
>
I'm sorry, but I have to object here. In the first place,
I recall one of my professors in college saying that the
"how many angels can dance on the head of a pin" question
was a serious exploration by medieval philosophers of the
concept of infinite numbers. I could have the details
wrong, but the point was that it's something that gets
misremembered today just because it _sounds_ off the wall
even though it was a valid question at the time.

That aside, the subject of the fourth nephew is a legitimate
subject of discussion by this group. It's something that
involves the Disney comics produced overseas and caused a
stir in Europe, and Carl Barks's agent just tried to make
some sort of claim to the fourth nephew that no one here has
yet figured out. When Carl Barks is involved, how can it
_not_ be a legitimate subject of discussion by this group?
It may seem like a trivial matter, but it's a current issue
and apparently there's some behind-the-scenes politics. I
would expect that the whole thing will die out shortly when
it's been discussed to exhaustion, as happens to most subjects,
but while it's current, why not talk about it?

I've been reading Disney comics for about 40 years, and at
this point "objective criticism" hardly excites my interest.
I have my opinions and you have yours, so big deal. I'm
more interested in the biblographic data, the nuts and bolts
of characterization, the histories of different characters,
and the behind-the-scenes doings of the various creators and
publishers of Disney comics. But that's just my opinion.

--Dwight Decker

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End of Disney comics Digest V96 Issue #87
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MIKE:
"You using so many "new" characters (i.e. characters not seen
in this half of the century) made me question why was it a Mickey
story? It could've easily been a Donald story without any new
characters, just Donald, HDL and Gladstone."
I purposely intended to do a more Donald-like story here to
show that Mickey was capable of starring in one. As for Monty being
like Gladstone, well -- he's kinda like the 1948-49 Gladstone
(pre-luck), but Gladstone's current luck wouldn't have allowed the
ending to work the way it did (without making some kind of elaborate
point about the luck fouling up for a reason).
If I want some interesting character conflict, I find that
it's easy to do a Donald story, but more out-of-the-ordinary and
exciting to put the conflict in a Mickey story (because for so many
years MM stories have been perceived as being so boring, with flat
characters). Furthermore, I can boost Floyd Gottfredson by showing
that he already created characters who could make the stories as
colorful as Donald ones.
Glad you enjoyed the story. As for when I'll do a normal
Donald-vs.-Gladstone story... how about now? I've just started one!
"Horsing Around with History," BTW, was printed as a
two-parter in some countries (like Denmark). There, the climax was
Scrooge's discovery of that vase on the ocean floor, which I thought
was a good stopping point.

OLE:
I know that "Night of the Saracen" is by Rota, but "The Rain
God of Uxmal" (a German-produced story originally for ONKEL DAGOBERT'S
SCHATZTRUHE) is not. The Mickey story probably isn't, either; Rota
did do some Mickey stories, but they were his first work and they're
pretty obscure (not likely to have been specially picked for use in
Latin). Actually, Byron tells me now that Rota is presently at work
on a new Mickey story for Egmont, his first in a LONG time.
(Could the Mickey story be by the same guy who drew the Uxmal
one? I've seen some Mickey stories by this artist, done for the
Italians. Beautiful art, although the stories I read were hampered by
fairly weak scripts.)

HARALD:
If you take a close look at that "intimate" picture of Scrooge
and Goldie, you'll see that Goldie knows something that you (and
Scrooge) don't know! I agree, though, that maybe it's not the best
symbol of LO$ 8 (it's actually a sort of fantasy elaboration on U$
getting-to-know Goldie in the "Back to the Klondike" flashback. "More
coffee?")

DON MARKSTEIN:
The concept of a cartoon character named Egmont isn't so far
from the truth. Egmont's house newsletter seems to use the Mickey
Mouse character Ellsworth the raven as a sort of symbol and mascot, so
maybe his name is Egmont in some countries? (Don't put this in the
interlingual file, Per, I don't have any idea if it's right!)
I figured Madam Mim still exists in present-day Disney
universe because, as a particularly powerful witch, she is immortal.
(I'd hate to get on her bad side. I'd never be rid of her.)

RICH:
Now you've got me thinking about Br'er Rabbit. Y'know,
Harris' stories refer to Br'er Rabbit's given name as Riley Rabbit.
I've always meant to ask what comics story I saw the full name in...
I've only ever seen ONE Disney comic that mentioned it and I can't
remember which one. (Although I used it again in a D-coded BR I wrote
last year.)
If Sneaky Pete is no longer legit, why not Bootleg Pete?
Actually, Bootleg Pete is probably illegal now, too (and he was only
called that in one cartoon anyway, where he was bootlegging wine
during Prohibition).
Your comment about the lack of availability of Disney's short
cartoons is extremely telling and exactly what I've been thinking for
years. Disney stands to make some real money by getting the shorts
onto television a little more, aside from the benefits you mentioned.
I'm hoping the current purchase of ABC will change this. (Although
you CAN see lots of MM and DD shorts on the Disney Channel, which runs
three half-hours a day. Lots of EARLY Mickeys in the mix.)

GARY:
You won't find the new WDC&S giant-sized issues in newsstands
because they're viewed as albums, and only sold through comic shops.
There is no "indirect" market edition (which I didn't learn for some
months after #601 turned up... I spent some time haunting the
newsstand to buy an extra copy, but of course never found one. Since
then I did get another at a comic shop.)

THE FELIX THE CAT BOOK
which I've mentioned on this list is now going to press. You
can get a view of the cover on my Felix web-page.

David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>

> The text pieces are hardly interesting to adults, except for a
>few Disney related ones; interviews with Giorgio Cavazzano and Johnny
>Grote from the German D.O.N.A.L.D. organization. (Are they still around,
>and how do I get in touch with them?)

Hello from the Luxembourg section of the German D.O.N.A.L.D.
http://ouworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Georges_Helm/donald.htm

There you find a link to the official D.O.N.A.L.D. homepage.

Duck auf!

Georges
Georges Helm
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:37:04 +0100
From: (Email removed)
Subject: I've uns-bsr-b-d

Per, since I am no longer on the list, could you please forward this message
to it if the cc doesn't get there on its own? Thanks.

I just wanted to let anyone who was interested know that I've uns-bscr-bed
from the list. I hope to get back on it when my work load lightens up. It
just seems that recently the letters have gotten so technical and "industry"
oriented, compounded with my much busier lifestyle of late, that I haven't
had time to filter through many of the letters.

I'm the kind of list member who enjoyed more of the discussions on Huey,
Dewey and Louie's hats, and liked to praise the new stories being printed by
Gladstone, than I did the nuances of any particular artist of the 1970s.

And I just got tired of reading letters about Fethry!! ;-)

So, I hope to get back on the list when I have more time. I've met a lot of
great people on this list and would love to hear from you privately. You
know where I can be reached.

Your obedient servant,

-- Wes

"But Mickey! It's SUICIDE! We'll be KILLED! How'll we land without wheels?
-- Captain Doberman

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DON R.
I've asked a couple of comic shop owners here about Gladstone sales and they
said there is no difference from the cover variety to the coverless variety
(for lack of a better description). However, one owner said there was a real
interest in the news WDC&S at first.
I suspect if sales stayed the same on the new $6 WDC&S, Gladstone would be
very happy. It it is 3 or 6 times higher, that'd be great.
Many of us grumbled at the changes Gladstone made in some way, but obviously
if it helps them stay in business, we'll have to accept them.
DON M.
Just read your Trojan Horse story in the latest Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse.
It's the kind of Mickey story I've come to know and love. Adventure. History.
Twists in the plot. Good job (and I thought Egmont did an exceptional job on
the art).
Gary Brown
Bradenton, Fla.

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End of Disney comics Digest V96 Issue #88
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Augie said:
> But Uncle $crooge Adventures in Color #3 came out for a $8.95 hit, as
> well as the first Lo$ album at $11.95.

Is the Uncle Scrooge Adventures album #3 really out? The reason I ask
is I think there may have been a mixup in what was supposed to come out
this week and last week. Last week (April 17) I picked up Don Rosa's
LOS Album #1, along with CBLibrary Comics & Stories 51 at my local
comics shop. I was surpised LOS 1 was there, as it was not due out,
and in fact it is on this week's list for release on 4/24. So, I
wonder if USA 3 is really out today. If so, I'll rush right down and
"git it."

BTW, they had four copies of LOS #1, and man is it a beauty. Really a
good looking album. In comparing the stories to the single issues, I
see numerous minor adjustments to the text and colors. Gladstone must
be updating the stories with Don's corrections. Maybe we'll get to see
those US gunboats and Roughriders in the correct colors from US 294 (The
Invader of Fort Duckburg). Won't that be great? <--- Obvious fan-boy
reaction.

"This fabulous twenty-four carat moon, for
a handful of dirt!... Man! That's the biggest
bargain I ever heard of in all history!"
--------------- Scrooge McDuck (US 24) ------
---- Carey ----
Carey Furlong, Huntington Beach, CA; (Email removed)
Opinions expressed are mine and not those of EDS

One of the people I met at Carl Barks' birthday bash was Pat Hanifin who puts
out a fanzine called THE DUCK HUNTER. Pat is such a nice guy and I was so
impressed with his fanzine that I promised him I'd tell everybody on the
mailing list about THE DUCK HUNTER.

First of all, I've got to admit the focus of the magazine isn't entirely to
my taste. I'm primarily interested in Bark's stories--with a secondary
interest in his paintings. Pat is heavily into collecting Scrooge figures and
memorabilia of all types. THE DUCK HUNTER--although it certainly does feature
Barks and his stories--largely reflects Pat's interests, the process of
collecting and the joy of interacting with other collectors.

That given, it's a fun magazine. Pat gave me a copy of the second issue. At
$11 for the U.S. and Canada--$14 anywhere else--the mag isn't cheap. However,
it's well over 100 pages long, done on nice paper and is heavily illustrated
with half-tone photos.

It's packed full of interesting stuff. (I hope Pat includes a table of
contents next issue.) Among the pieces were:

--an article by this list's Michael Naiman speculating about why the first
Uncle Scrooge comic book can still be bought so relatively cheaply on the
collector's market.
--an article by Tom Barker about the making of THE OVERSTREET WORLD OF COMIC
BOOKS--a 60-minute video tape which, among other things, features an
interview with Barks.
--an article by Geoffrey Blum and Thomas Andrae about Barks' "Go Slowly,
Sands of Time" story.
--a well-illustrated article on Barks' current projects.
--a pages and pages of pictures showing and describing various duck
collectibles--including extensive coverage of Wes Plumbtree's incredible
Scrooge collection. You have to see it to believe it. And I'm still not sure
I believe it. Sheesh!
--an ad for the Klondike tour that is being organized (in part) to celebrate
the 50th anniversary of Scrooge McDuck.
--a wish list of collectibles that fan Herb Moskovitz would like to see on
the market.
--A Carl Barks pog index.
--an article about Bill Grandey and Kathy Morby of the Cark Barks Studio.
--an article compiling some relatively non controversial things Don Rosa has
written in letters and here on the internet.
--a report on the latest Disneyana Convention.
--a whole lot of other stuff.

All in all, the magazine is packed full of fun stuff. Not all of it may be to
your tastes, but chances are that you'll find several things of interest
here.

The next issue (#3) should be of even more interest since it's going to
feature extensive coverage and photos of Barks' 95th birthday party. If you
want any of the issues--I'm not sure if copies of #1 are still available--you
should write to:

Pat Hanifin
6500 N.W. 112th St.
Oklahoma City, OK 73162
U.S.A.

For $11 he'll airmail a copy to anyone in the U.S. or Canada. It's $14 if you
live elsewhere.

--John Lustig