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Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr. wrote:

> Well as stated in an other posting, Scrooge being Donald's uncle without
> being married implicates that he had to have at least one sibling. The
> difference between Donald's and Scrooge's last names implicates that that
> sibling would have to be a sister of Scrooge and thus the mother of Donald.
> Pure logic - Barks didn't need to state that anywhere!

Anyone who wants is free to remove the "Mc" part of one's name, AFAIK.

> > > Yes, but unlike Don Rosa he did that in
> > > contradiction to Barks.

> > a) Rumpus does not contradict anything Carl
> > Barks ever did.

> He does at least contardict Barks's Duck Family Tree.

Where on that tree does it state that Uncle Scrooge does NOT have any
brothers other than those mentioned on the tree?

> > b) Don Rosa also made new relations outside
> > what Barks did - e.g. he created Clinton Coot,
> > an action that linked Cornelius Coot to the
> > Duck family.

> Well, Barks never gave another explanation for that.

Which is just as in the Rumpus case.

> No. AFAIK Barks left the background of HD&Ls father open.

Wait a minute. Barks stated that US has two sisters. Then he has two,
and only two, sisters, right? Barks never mentioned anything of a
father of HDL's. Thus they do not have any father, right?

Stefan

Olaf Solstrand <olaf at andebyonline.com> wrote:

>> Sigvald:
>> Correct! But that was in an early fase.
>
> Donald was 13 years old at the time. You call
> that early?

I have to clearify this:

1) The Donald Duck character had been in use for 13 years in 1947. Being
born arond 1920 Donald was around 27 years in 1947.

2) I still think that the 1940s represent an early stage in the development
of the Duckburg universe as we know it today.

>> 1) They did exist in Barks' Duck Family Tree
>>
> A personal note as that was, yes. They never
> occured in a story.

Well as stated in an other posting, Scrooge being Donald's uncle without
being married implicates that he had to have at least one sibling. The
difference between Donald's and Scrooge's last names implicates that that
sibling would have to be a sister of Scrooge and thus the mother of Donald.
Pure logic - Barks didn't need to state that anywhere!

>> Yes, but unlike Don Rosa he did that in
>> contradiction to Barks.
>
> a) Rumpus does not contradict anything Carl
> Barks ever did.

He does at least contardict Barks's Duck Family Tree.

> b) Don Rosa also made new relations outside
> what Barks did - e.g. he created Clinton Coot,
> an action that linked Cornelius Coot to the
> Duck family.

Well, Barks never gave another explanation for that.

> And even though it's not published - this whole
> story about Huey, Dewey and Louie's father
> being Daisy's brother. I guess that is a theory
> you support,

yes, I do!

> so let me ask you: You don't find THAT
> contradicting?

No. AFAIK Barks left the background of HD&Ls father open.

Sigvald :-)

Olaf Solstrand <olaf at andebyonline.com> wrote:

> Sigvald:
>> As some one else recently stated - nothing
>> I write here intended of offending anybody.
>
> Oh, so you DO read my messages? :-)

Off course I do - with a great portion of interest to!

>> I've got a few German Mickey Mouse magazines
>> with HD&L on the cover. However there
>> they appear very different from the straight,
>> bright, clever and serious boys who Barks
>> even made generals in The Junior Woodchucks.
>> By consequently drawing HD& with stupid caps
>> worn backwards and wearing some silly modern
>> kids clothing Ehapa has IMO turned HD&L into
>> silly dipshits.
>
> Hmm... I haven't seen this, but in my opinion,
> the comics are more important
> than the covers...

Off course, they are! But the cover's still tell much about who Ehapa want's
to sell it to.

> Barks always drew HD&L with stupid caps,

At least they were worn in a serious way.

> and I don't see why silly modern kids clothing
> is bad either.

Well, the clothing weared by HD&L in some of Ehapas covers implicate that
HD&L tries to be cool the modern way - which often implicates bad attitudes,
criminal behaviour and to some extent even experimenting with or using
illegal drugs as teenagers - and that's far away from the serious
JW-generals that I love.

> Remember that the policy is (in Egmont, that
> is - I'm not sure about Ehapa, but would guess
> it is the same) the stories find place TODAY,
> and then I don't see why it's so wrong wearing
> modern clothing. I don't see why it is wrong
> wearing kids clothing either. They ARE kids.
> Frankly, I don't see ANYTHING wrong with
> HD&L following the fashion of their time.

In our time there are various fashions - Ehapa do IMO present one that could
be seen as being used by cool kids who MAY eventually end up as loosers in
the society.

And don't forget that Egmont denies Don Rosa to let Donald wear oher
clothings - so why change HD&Ls clothing to something far worse?

>> I guess this is the result of a policy of
>> mainly doing the magazine for small kids.
>
> Please explain. Silly me doesn't see your logic.

OK! Ehapa may think taht if they make HD&L looking silly they would apeal to
todays kids ho often wear IMO silly clothing or at least think that such
silly clothing looks cool.

>> Luckily HD&L still have a rather serious
>> appearance in Egmont publications!
>
> Sure, as long as you would say that wearing
> 65 years old black sweaters all the time is
> "serious".

Yes, they do IMO look 100 OK with that clothing.

Sigvald :-)

> Stefan Persson wrote:
>
> >> At least they were worn in a serious way.
> >
> > Indeed. Wearing the same clothes for 70 years
> > does certainly make them worn.
>
> At least HD&Ls cloths have *not* been worn for 70 years in the stories by
> Barks and Rosa.
>

At least the covers in question are NOT drawn by Barks and Rosa.

Olaf Solstrand <olaf at andebyonline.com> wrote:

> But - according to your logic - Barks clearly
> said in the family tree that Donald didn't have
> an uncle Eider either.

Maybe not, but he did tell about Donald's Uncle Eider in a 10-pager about a
falcon. So the Uncle Eider character is still a Bars-fact.

> Remember that the family tree is not published
> in a comic

But since Don Rosa did use it as background material it can actually be seen
as the plot behind Don Rosa's Donald Duck Family Tree which is indeed
published.

> Should we also state the fact that Grandma and
> Grandpa Duck had a restaurant in Klondike? That
> story was also shown in a never published
> schetch.

Off course not, Don Rosa did change that plot.

>>> Barks always drew HD&L with stupid caps,
>>
>> At least they were worn in a serious way.
>
> What is a serious way, then? It may be because
> I'm a lot younger than you - but I don't think
> of wearing the caps backwards as especially
> unserious - and I doubt that youngsters of
> today (as Huey, Dewey and Louie are) do that
> either. It's just a way of wearing your hat
> - it doesn't make you unserious. Maybe it does
> for someone your age, but not for anyone my
> age, and certainly not for someone Huey, Dewey
> and Louie's age.

You have good points here. But still - a mothern style implicates modern
attitudes and values. Attitudes and values very, very far from the safe and
peacfull Duckburg once created by Barks and his fellows in the 1940's and
1950s.

>> Well, the clothing weared by HD&L in some of
>> Ehapas covers implicate that HD&L try to be
>> cool the modern way - which often implicates
>> bad attitudes, criminal behaviour and to some
>> extent even experimenting with or using illegal
>> drugs as teenagers - and that's far away from
>> the serious JW-generals that I love.
>
> Please, Sigvald. This is prejudice and you
> know it. You can't say that everybody with
> cool clothes are criminals and using drugs.

No, off course not. What I have tried to say that it's more often so today,
than it used to be. The persentage of young teenagers who have experimented
with drugs are far far higher today than it was only 20 years ago.

Sigvald :-)

Stefan Persson wrote:

>> Can you please clearify this last sentence?
>
> - According to Swedish translations, Ludwig Von
> Drake is the brother of Donald's mother.
> - According to Rosa's tree, Donald's mother is
> called Hortense McDuck.
> - According to Rosa's tree, this Hortense
> McDuck has a sister called Matilda McDuck.
> - According to Rosa's tree, none of the parents
> of Hortense McDuck and Matilda McDuck have been
> maried to anyone else. Thus, Ludwig Von Drake
> is the brother of Hortense McDuck and Matilda
> McDuck.
> - According to Rosa, Ludwig Von Drake is
> married to Matilda McDuck. Thus, Ludwig Von
> Drake is married to his own sister.

Well if you are following your Swedish translators you should also remember
that according to them Scrooge (FARBROR Joakim) is the brother of Donald's
father and Donald (FARBOR Kalle) is the brother of HD&Ls father...

Sigvald :-)

> > (If I remember correctly Barks once said in
> > an interview that he viewed Donald as a 16
> > (!) year old.)
>
> probably after preassure from "Morbid" and "Gready".
>

What? Why would anyone pressure Barks to say something like that?

> Anyway the Ducks in Duckburgs act like humans, not
> like ducks.

Agreed, but we still have seen on several occations that they come from
eggs.

Olaf the Blue
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