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In a message dated 5/1/2003 7:24:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, JTorci3511 writes:

> But, I guess Murry "...no longer deserves to be counted together with the greatest artists" just because he worked
> better with a separate writer! Oh, well...

Joe, how about we merge Murry and Fallberg together in one person ? that way we can continue to have
Paul C.Fallberg Murry as one of the great artists?

;-)

steven rowe
Steven Rowe
SRoweCanoe at aol.com

In a message dated 4/30/2003 7:04:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
raptus at stofanet.dk writes:

> Erm...in fact I am amazed that you put Murry amongst a list
> which includes a midrange Barks-wannabe like (William) van Horn, who for
> (to me) unknown reasons holds a big star at Egmont's.

"Barks-wannabe?"

Uh... I don't think so. Not in my eyes, anyway. I see Van Horn's style as
much different than Barks', relying on off-the-wall comedy, and effective
page layouts. Even Van Horn's LETTERING is a significant part of his work,
with lots of sound effects and whatnot. I also like his many sayings that he
gives the Duck characters, which rival such classic Barks sayings as, "ye
cats and little kittens!"

I definitely wouldn't call Van Horn a "Barks-wannabe." But that's just me.
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Thanks for reading this nonsense,

Dane Martin

Steve and Joe,

>Joe, how about we merge Murry and Fallberg together in one person?

Yyesss! One man with two heads! But I have a better name for him...
Dr. Doublecross!
No, no, wait... no... it's been done. Narf.
Ah, well, back to the lab. What do you want to do *tomorrow* night?

David (oops, wrong mice!)

Everyone:

I asked Sigvald why he appears to believe that the knowledge that other
writers were responsible for Paul Murry's comic book stories SOMEHOW
DIMINISHED Mr. Murry's art. He responded:

"No, but it tell me that Murry was not as inventive as I have been lead to
believe. Earlier Murry has been given the credits for inventing characters
like Dangerous Dan McBoo and Idgit the Midgit. It now seems that he just
presented other persons ideas???"

And exactly what is so wrong with that, Sigvald? Outside of Disney comics,
it is almost always the norm. Is the great artist/painter Alex Ross any less
so because his best known work for Marvel and DC was written by Kurt Busiek,
Mark Waid, and Paul Dini?

I have never had a higher regard for artist Jim Lee than I do on his current
run on BATMAN. Is he lessened by the fact that BATMAN's scripts are prepared
for him by the equally brilliant writer, Jeph Loeb?

Then again, Erik Larsen is always enjoyable as the sole writer/artist of
SAVAGE DRAGON. But, would that rank him higher than Alex Ross and Jim Lee.
I doubt even Larsen, himself, would presume that.

Writer/Artists like Barks, Rosa, Van Horn, and sometimes Gottfredson are the
exception to the way most comic book material -- be it "funny animal" OR
super hero -- is created. Oh, and does Van Horn fluctuate, depending on
whether John Lustig has written the story for him? Not in MY book!

Also, thanks to Klaus Spillmann's early efforts, I've known for about 20
years that Murry did not write his stories, or create his characters. Yes, I
was disappointed to learn that -- but only because most of the Murry stories
I knew and loved had SUCH A CONSISTENCY TO THEM (...unlike the Strobl DONALD
DUCKS, that seemed to vary more, according to noticeably different writing
styles) that I was certain that they were the product of one man (I thought
Murry, himself). BUT, my enthusiasm and love for his art remains
undiminished to this day.

So, if there's any "reevaluation" to be done, Sigvald, I'd say it should be
of the sources of your information, rather than the very talented Mr. Murry.

Joe Torcivia.

DAVID:

> He didn't *script* them after 1932, but he did *plot* them until
> 1943-

Can you elaborate a bit on what scripting and plotting are? I always
found these terms perplexing when reading the credits in Gladstone's MM
comic books.

My confusion probably stems from the fact that in computer lingo a
"plotter" is a machine that draws line drawings. Does plotting a story
have anything to do with drawing it, or does it refer to coming up with
the plot of the story, which the script-writer then turns into a script,
which is, in turn, turned into pictures by the artist?

Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
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Sigvald Grøsfjeld jr. wrote:

> David Gerstein wrote:
>
>> From the 1940s to the 1980s, Gottfredson's
>> work was not easily available in many countries
>> beside Italy.
>
> Not entirely correct! In Scandinavia a few giant-books featuring old
> Gottfredson classics were published during the 1970's:
> - Jeg Mikke Mus
> - Jeg Langbein
> - Vi Minni & Mikke

Note that David wrote "easily available". Those books were expensive!
There was *no* trace of the Gottfredson continuities in the (by
comparison, cheap) weekly - or the monthlies, for that matter - for most
of this time.

And just to be nitpicky: "Vi Minni & Mikke" actually came out in the
1980s. 1981, I believe.

>> WHY, Sigvald? Does that knowledge SOMEHOW
>> DIMINISH Paul Murry's art?!
>
> No, but it tell me that Murry was not as inventive as I have been lead
> to believe.

You haven't been led to believe anything. You've led *yourself* to
believe it, based on incomplete information. Or are there articles out
there crediting Murry for having written the stories he drew?

> Earlier Murry has been given the credits for inventing charcters
> like Dangerous Dan McBoo and Idgit the Midgit. It now seems that he
> just presented other persons ideas???

Murry was the first to draw these characters. Presumably he also
designed them. If true, the latter makes him a co-creator of Dan and
Idgit.

As for being a "presenter" of other people's ideas: I've worked (and
continue to work) with artists such as Vicar, Marco Rota and Flemming
Andersen. I can assure you that these people (as well as their
colleagues) are no mere "presenters" when they sit down to draw one of
my stories. Without their visual input, my meager efforts would fall
flat. Trust me on this.
*Every* artist, good or bad, contributes something unique to a comic
book story. If you've enjoyed Paul Murry's stories up to now, it has
been at least partly due to Murry's skills as an artist.

> I didn't draw any final conclusion, I just stated that the new
> knowledge might justify some rethinking when it comes to Paul Murry.

No offense, but this isn't new knowledge. It's been widely known for
years.

> IMO it's the writer who's the most important artist behind a story.

I think the term you're looking for is "creator", rather than "artist".
With that in mind, some of your statements (like Murry not being a great
artist like Gottfredson & co) actually make much more sense.

> To write a great manus the [creator] both need a lot of knowledge and
> much interest of the actual universe and the actual characters s(he)
> is working with.

Not necessarily. Depends on what kind of story he or she is writing.

Lars

Joe Torcivia <JTorci3511 at aol.com> wrote:

> So, if there's any "reevaluation" to be done,
> Sigvald, I'd say it should be of the sources
> of your information, rather than the very
> talented Mr. Murry.

That sources would be Norwegian DD&Co and other Norwegian Disney
publications.

Sigvald :-)

At 17:56 02.05.03 +0100, you wrote:
>Joe Torcivia <JTorci3511 at aol.com> wrote:
>
> > So, if there's any "reevaluation" to be done,
> > Sigvald, I'd say it should be of the sources
> > of your information, rather than the very
> > talented Mr. Murry.
>
>That sources would be Norwegian DD&Co and other Norwegian Disney
>publications.

Please tell me what Norwegian DD&Co (or other Norwegian Disney publication)
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