> > Barks always drew HD&L with stupid caps,
>
>At least they were worn in a serious way.
They were originally drawn by Taliaferro and I believe those kind of caps
were used quite generally in 1930's by small kids. So if HDL uses
contemporary clothes now, as they did 1938, it's basically OK. It's
different whether you like it or not. I don't.
>Well, the clothing weared by HD&L in some of Ehapas covers implicate that
>HD&L tries to be cool the modern way
I wonder when they will have these baggy pants? :-)
Timo
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Timo Ronkainen
"HD&L as dipshits"
Message 166 -
2003-05-08 at 12:52:30
Gerd Syllwasschy
HD&L as dipshits
Message 167 -
2003-05-08 at 12:58:30
Sigvald:
> I've got a few German Mickey Mouse magazines with HD&L on the cover. However
> there they appear very different from the straight, bright, clever and
> serious boys who Barks even made generals in The Junior Woodchucks. By
> consequently drawing HD&L with stupid caps worn backwards and wearing some
> silly modern kids clothing Ehapa has IMO turned HD&L into silly dipshits.
Well - they're sometimes quite funny to look at. BTW, thanks for
expanding my vocabulary - I hadn't known the word "dipshit". :-)
> I
> guess this is the result of a policy of mainly doing the magazine for small
> kids.
The German weekly is *nearly exclusively* bought by pre-adolescent
children. This is different from the situation in Scandinavia (or Italy,
or ...) where Disney magazines are basically all-family reading, aren't
they? It may have to do with the fact that comics are still widely
considered kind of "inferior" literature in Germany.
Gerd
> I've got a few German Mickey Mouse magazines with HD&L on the cover. However
> there they appear very different from the straight, bright, clever and
> serious boys who Barks even made generals in The Junior Woodchucks. By
> consequently drawing HD&L with stupid caps worn backwards and wearing some
> silly modern kids clothing Ehapa has IMO turned HD&L into silly dipshits.
Well - they're sometimes quite funny to look at. BTW, thanks for
expanding my vocabulary - I hadn't known the word "dipshit". :-)
> I
> guess this is the result of a policy of mainly doing the magazine for small
> kids.
The German weekly is *nearly exclusively* bought by pre-adolescent
children. This is different from the situation in Scandinavia (or Italy,
or ...) where Disney magazines are basically all-family reading, aren't
they? It may have to do with the fact that comics are still widely
considered kind of "inferior" literature in Germany.
Gerd
Lunnan & Hjort
Happy Wendseday, Don Rosa
Message 168 -
2003-05-08 at 13:01:46
We know Don Rosa as a thorough, dependable guy, with
a meticulous attention to details of facts & fiction. As a memorable
preface in a book with and about his work has it,
" This is a person not content simply to draw 4900 people
if his school teacher had asked him to illustrate "Jesus feeds
five thousand". "
This explains the *culture shock* the Norwegian population was
exposed to yesterday, when they innocently and happily threw
their collective glances at their calendars, to check that this was
indeed May 7, important liberation-from-war day for 57% of European
nations, and also the birthday of one of our planet's most wondrous
composers ever (1833-1897). It was May 7 indeed, but our Don Rosa
calendars proclaim that this was ... "Ondsag". A diabolic counter-counter-
counter message over the counter from Mr Rosa, no doubt, creating in
our innocent minds connections between May 7 and ... Evil Saws! Our
genuine "onsdag" is named after our own Odin ... might there be a fiendish
plot & putch to throw out the Nordicness of our souls, starting with
midweek-day, inserting these Evil Saws instead? Is not only Mr Rosa,
but also the CIA involved in this subversive scheme? What is next,
"Sheffield Wendseday" beats Manchester Disunited?
No wonder everyone from school pupils to university professors had
difficulties focussing on studies and work yesterday. I suggest that
either we have to sue Mr Rosa, in a massive collective legal effort which
will leave Big Tobacco and Ugly Asbestos as peanuts to the chickens
-- or he will have to sue Egmont.
Nils Lid Hjort
a meticulous attention to details of facts & fiction. As a memorable
preface in a book with and about his work has it,
" This is a person not content simply to draw 4900 people
if his school teacher had asked him to illustrate "Jesus feeds
five thousand". "
This explains the *culture shock* the Norwegian population was
exposed to yesterday, when they innocently and happily threw
their collective glances at their calendars, to check that this was
indeed May 7, important liberation-from-war day for 57% of European
nations, and also the birthday of one of our planet's most wondrous
composers ever (1833-1897). It was May 7 indeed, but our Don Rosa
calendars proclaim that this was ... "Ondsag". A diabolic counter-counter-
counter message over the counter from Mr Rosa, no doubt, creating in
our innocent minds connections between May 7 and ... Evil Saws! Our
genuine "onsdag" is named after our own Odin ... might there be a fiendish
plot & putch to throw out the Nordicness of our souls, starting with
midweek-day, inserting these Evil Saws instead? Is not only Mr Rosa,
but also the CIA involved in this subversive scheme? What is next,
"Sheffield Wendseday" beats Manchester Disunited?
No wonder everyone from school pupils to university professors had
difficulties focussing on studies and work yesterday. I suggest that
either we have to sue Mr Rosa, in a massive collective legal effort which
will leave Big Tobacco and Ugly Asbestos as peanuts to the chickens
-- or he will have to sue Egmont.
Nils Lid Hjort
H.W.Fluks
Manic Monday [happy Wendseday, Don Rosa] [rather OT]
Message 169 -
2003-05-08 at 13:03:46
Nils wrote:
> May 7, important liberation-from-war day for 57% of European
> nations
I didn't know that. Apparently we Dutch are part of the other 43%.
Our "liberation-from-war day" is on May 5th (the day in 1945 that
the Germans signed the handover of the Netherlands to the allies,
in Wageningen).
--Harry.
> May 7, important liberation-from-war day for 57% of European
> nations
I didn't know that. Apparently we Dutch are part of the other 43%.
Our "liberation-from-war day" is on May 5th (the day in 1945 that
the Germans signed the handover of the Netherlands to the allies,
in Wageningen).
--Harry.
Lars Jensen
Gemstone/Gladstone [was: The return of Disney Ducks comics in the
Message 170 -
2003-05-08 at 13:20:38
Sigvald Grøsfjeld jr. wrote:
> Gus does not have any brother or sister, so no nephew is possible.
Gus Goose *does* have a nephew, you know: Socrates M Gosling. Just ask
Bob Karp and Al Taliaferro.
> AFAIK the paradigma of today is that $crooge and the other Ducks in
> Duckburgs are ordinary people drawn like Ducks - and that they thus
> are born like human beings, not hatched from eggs just like other
> birds.
Nope. The former is one approach of many on how to write the Ducks; the
latter is just one of several (mainly fan-generated) theories.
As far as the rest of your posting goes, I'm going to assume you meant
to add the line "in the context of the Rosa universe" somewhere in
there.
Lars
> Gus does not have any brother or sister, so no nephew is possible.
Gus Goose *does* have a nephew, you know: Socrates M Gosling. Just ask
Bob Karp and Al Taliaferro.
> AFAIK the paradigma of today is that $crooge and the other Ducks in
> Duckburgs are ordinary people drawn like Ducks - and that they thus
> are born like human beings, not hatched from eggs just like other
> birds.
Nope. The former is one approach of many on how to write the Ducks; the
latter is just one of several (mainly fan-generated) theories.
As far as the rest of your posting goes, I'm going to assume you meant
to add the line "in the context of the Rosa universe" somewhere in
there.
Lars
Lars Jensen
Gideon and Matilda (was Gemstone/Gladstone)
Message 171 -
2003-05-08 at 13:21:39
Sigvald Grøsfjeld jr. wrote:
>>> problem with it, though). So, maybe Egmont
>>> could be the financial genious son of Matilda
>>> Ludwig von Drake? :-)
>
> The problem is that Egmont would probably not accept this idea - even
> though they do accept obscure characters like thise Gideon - because
> they dosen't accept any marriage between Matilda McDuck and Ludwig
> von Drake.
1. Egmont don't use Gideon (Gedeone de' Paperoni) in any of their own
stories. They merely print Italian stories in which he is featured.
2. Gideon has appeared in, what, 10-12 stories over the years? How many
has Matilda appeared in? Yes, Gideon *is* pretty obscure, but - for now,
anyway - he still outshines 'Tilda.
Lars
>>> problem with it, though). So, maybe Egmont
>>> could be the financial genious son of Matilda
>>> Ludwig von Drake? :-)
>
> The problem is that Egmont would probably not accept this idea - even
> though they do accept obscure characters like thise Gideon - because
> they dosen't accept any marriage between Matilda McDuck and Ludwig
> von Drake.
1. Egmont don't use Gideon (Gedeone de' Paperoni) in any of their own
stories. They merely print Italian stories in which he is featured.
2. Gideon has appeared in, what, 10-12 stories over the years? How many
has Matilda appeared in? Yes, Gideon *is* pretty obscure, but - for now,
anyway - he still outshines 'Tilda.
Lars
Lunnan & Hjort
Velikaya pyatnitsa [re happy Wendseday; rather OT]
Message 172 -
2003-05-08 at 13:32:34
I know it's May 5 in Holland, sometimes with a minute of silence etc.
It's May 7 in some countries, May 8 in Norway (my house's flag is up),
and "den' pobedy", Victory Day, is May 9 in Russia. I suppose
end-of-war-day isn't properly marked in Germany as such.
Nils
Harry:
<<I didn't know that. Apparently we Dutch are part of the other 43%.
Our "liberation-from-war day" is on May 5th (the day in 1945 that
the Germans signed the handover of the Netherlands to the allies,
in Wageningen). >>
It's May 7 in some countries, May 8 in Norway (my house's flag is up),
and "den' pobedy", Victory Day, is May 9 in Russia. I suppose
end-of-war-day isn't properly marked in Germany as such.
Nils
Harry:
<<I didn't know that. Apparently we Dutch are part of the other 43%.
Our "liberation-from-war day" is on May 5th (the day in 1945 that
the Germans signed the handover of the Netherlands to the allies,
in Wageningen). >>
Gerd Syllwasschy
Velikaya pyatnitsa
Message 173 -
2003-05-08 at 13:52:28
Nils:
> I suppose
> end-of-war-day isn't properly marked in Germany as such.
No, indeed not. The now extinct German Democratic Republic had a
"Jahrestag der Befreiung vom Hitlerfaschismus" (May 8th), but I don't
think this was an official holiday, either.
Gerd
> I suppose
> end-of-war-day isn't properly marked in Germany as such.
No, indeed not. The now extinct German Democratic Republic had a
"Jahrestag der Befreiung vom Hitlerfaschismus" (May 8th), but I don't
think this was an official holiday, either.
Gerd
Kriton Kyrimis
Velikaya pyatnitsa [re happy Wendseday; rather OT]
Message 174 -
2003-05-08 at 14:34:16
> I know it's May 5 in Holland, sometimes with a minute of silence etc.
> It's May 7 in some countries, May 8 in Norway (my house's flag is up),
> and "den' pobedy", Victory Day, is May 9 in Russia. I suppose
> end-of-war-day isn't properly marked in Germany as such.
And something like October 12, 1944 in Greece--we Actually celebrate on
Octorber 28, when Greece entered the war in 1940, by rejecting Italy's
ultimatum, and successfully repelled the Italian attack.
I would assume that the farther you are from Germany, the earlier the
war ended for you, as the retreating German army would have to pass
through still-occupied countries.
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
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> It's May 7 in some countries, May 8 in Norway (my house's flag is up),
> and "den' pobedy", Victory Day, is May 9 in Russia. I suppose
> end-of-war-day isn't properly marked in Germany as such.
And something like October 12, 1944 in Greece--we Actually celebrate on
Octorber 28, when Greece entered the war in 1940, by rejecting Italy's
ultimatum, and successfully repelled the Italian attack.
I would assume that the farther you are from Germany, the earlier the
war ended for you, as the retreating German army would have to pass
through still-occupied countries.
Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
-----
"I'm the nearest thing you can get to infullable."
"Infallible!"
"Exactly."
-----
Theresa Wiegert
Ducks and eggs again
Message 175 -
2003-05-08 at 14:46:01
Cord:
> (apes <-> humans) = (ducks <-> Ducks)
Ah. this I like. Very good. Short, concise, beautiful.
Fabio:
> I only want comment that the messages on these days, on this list, are
> very very crazy... no offense... I love all of you...
Haha! :) I agree - it's crazy, and absolutely hilarious! the angle of
HDL's caps, eggs, relatives, evil saws ... - wonderful, and
aboslutely great for taking brakes to read now and then. Please continue,
I've had much fun reading lately!
/Theresa
> (apes <-> humans) = (ducks <-> Ducks)
Ah. this I like. Very good. Short, concise, beautiful.
Fabio:
> I only want comment that the messages on these days, on this list, are
> very very crazy... no offense... I love all of you...
Haha! :) I agree - it's crazy, and absolutely hilarious! the angle of
HDL's caps, eggs, relatives, evil saws ... - wonderful, and
aboslutely great for taking brakes to read now and then. Please continue,
I've had much fun reading lately!
/Theresa
Mads Jensen
The ducks ...
Message 176 -
2003-05-08 at 15:12:37
Hi
I seem to share the opion with most in here, that the ducks are ducks, but
act like humans.
I would like to see some evidens that they are not hatched.
Technical, the ducks just show up in the comics, thus no scenes are show
where the ducks are hatching or where the ducks are being born like regular
people!
Huey, Dewey and Louie also showed up, and have stayed the same age ever
since.
I still do think this discussion is nonsense!
best wishes,
Mads
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http://www.ddfr.dk Dansk Donaldist-Forening
I seem to share the opion with most in here, that the ducks are ducks, but
act like humans.
I would like to see some evidens that they are not hatched.
Technical, the ducks just show up in the comics, thus no scenes are show
where the ducks are hatching or where the ducks are being born like regular
people!
Huey, Dewey and Louie also showed up, and have stayed the same age ever
since.
I still do think this discussion is nonsense!
best wishes,
Mads
--
Mads Jensen
http://www.ddfr.dk Dansk Donaldist-Forening
Gunnarsson, Joakim SE - HMJ
More on Murrys inking
Message 177 -
2003-05-08 at 15:21:46
Steven Rowe wrote:
> who are you saying that said Moores inked them all?
>
>
COA lists the following:
> "Credits are taken from the syndicated strips index by Alberto
> Becattini and Luca Boschi. Additional information by
A> lberto Becattini (April 2000). The index was revised and extended by
> Armando Botto (May 2000)."
>
They also lists Bill Wright as inker on Murrys later ones.
It would be interesting to know the original scource for this info.
(The proofs I have access to are BTW Bill Wrights own old collection of Brer
Rabbit proofs...)
/Joakim.
> who are you saying that said Moores inked them all?
>
>
COA lists the following:
> "Credits are taken from the syndicated strips index by Alberto
> Becattini and Luca Boschi. Additional information by
A> lberto Becattini (April 2000). The index was revised and extended by
> Armando Botto (May 2000)."
>
They also lists Bill Wright as inker on Murrys later ones.
It would be interesting to know the original scource for this info.
(The proofs I have access to are BTW Bill Wrights own old collection of Brer
Rabbit proofs...)
/Joakim.
Frank Bubacz
Ducks and eggs
Message 178 -
2003-05-08 at 15:50:23
Hi,
Doesn't Barks himself give a hint about our ducks originating from eggs in
"That's No Fable" (US 32)?
Is this maybe one of the few Barks stories that are, for whatever reason,
not regarded "canon"?
And moreover, didn't we have this topic not too long ago? :-)
Frank
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Doesn't Barks himself give a hint about our ducks originating from eggs in
"That's No Fable" (US 32)?
Is this maybe one of the few Barks stories that are, for whatever reason,
not regarded "canon"?
And moreover, didn't we have this topic not too long ago? :-)
Frank
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Olaf Solstrand
Egg cream
Message 179 -
2003-05-08 at 15:53:38
Seems I have to repeat it: Donald _is_ hatched from an egg. We've seen that
in several comics. Aren't comics still our best source?
Or can someone please tell my why someone is totally IGNORING these comics?
I'm almost afraid to mention MY opinion regarding the species of the Ducks -
you will probably all laugh of it. But as anyone else has said theirs, I'll
give it a go: I think of Duckburg as a beautiful city populated by humans,
and I _do_ think of it as a real city in the real world - but obviously this
city must be in a parallel dimension or something, as we can't go visit it.
I do believe that we can get in touch with this dimension through our
thoughts and dreams, and that many of the greatest adventures of the richest
man in their world, Scrooge - amongst other good stories - have been
revealed to Carl Barks and many of those following him, and through comics
they have given these stories onto us - but in these stories, they make the
characters appear to be duck-like (why? I haven't thought that far yet). In
that way: The Donald I read about in the comics is hatched from an egg. The
Donald living in my heart and my imagination is not.
Go ahead, laugh in my face.
Best,
Olaf the Blue
www.andebyonline.com
in several comics. Aren't comics still our best source?
Or can someone please tell my why someone is totally IGNORING these comics?
I'm almost afraid to mention MY opinion regarding the species of the Ducks -
you will probably all laugh of it. But as anyone else has said theirs, I'll
give it a go: I think of Duckburg as a beautiful city populated by humans,
and I _do_ think of it as a real city in the real world - but obviously this
city must be in a parallel dimension or something, as we can't go visit it.
I do believe that we can get in touch with this dimension through our
thoughts and dreams, and that many of the greatest adventures of the richest
man in their world, Scrooge - amongst other good stories - have been
revealed to Carl Barks and many of those following him, and through comics
they have given these stories onto us - but in these stories, they make the
characters appear to be duck-like (why? I haven't thought that far yet). In
that way: The Donald I read about in the comics is hatched from an egg. The
Donald living in my heart and my imagination is not.
Go ahead, laugh in my face.
Best,
Olaf the Blue
www.andebyonline.com
Christina Hellström
Gemstone/Gladstone
Message 180 -
2003-05-08 at 16:49:18
Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr. wrote:
>Stefan Persson wrote:
>
>Wait a minute. Barks stated that US has two
>
>
>>sisters. Then he has two, and only two,
>>sisters, right? Barks never mentioned anything
>>of a father of HDL's. Thus they do not have
>>any father, right?
>>
>>
>
>Anyone not being Jesus Christ have a biological father, even HD&L. It's pure
>logic - Barks didn't need to state that fact.
>
>
<delurk>
Among humans, yes. But parthenogenesis (virgin birth) isn't that unusual
among animals, although I didn't find any references of it occuring
uninduced in mammals. In birds at least turkeys can produce live chicks,
all male.
http://www.poultryindustrycouncil.ca/Factsheets/Factsheets/fact70.htm
</delurk>
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>Stefan Persson wrote:
>
>Wait a minute. Barks stated that US has two
>
>
>>sisters. Then he has two, and only two,
>>sisters, right? Barks never mentioned anything
>>of a father of HDL's. Thus they do not have
>>any father, right?
>>
>>
>
>Anyone not being Jesus Christ have a biological father, even HD&L. It's pure
>logic - Barks didn't need to state that fact.
>
>
<delurk>
Among humans, yes. But parthenogenesis (virgin birth) isn't that unusual
among animals, although I didn't find any references of it occuring
uninduced in mammals. In birds at least turkeys can produce live chicks,
all male.
http://www.poultryindustrycouncil.ca/Factsheets/Factsheets/fact70.htm
</delurk>
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