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Stefan Persson

Norwegian "Disneyland" Magazine Message 256 - 2003-05-13 at 23:55:58

Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr. wrote:

> >From 1973 to 1975 or shortly after, there existed a Disney children's
> magazine in Norway called "Disneyland". This was the magazine I was reading
> before I started reading Donald Duck & Co. Until very recently I believed
> that my whole collection of these magazines was lost many years ago as the
> result of a flood in our house. However just a few weeks ago I rediscovered
> two of those lost magazines hidden away in a dry place for many years. Each
> magazine consisted of 24 pages. So here are a few scans made to give you an
> image of what this magazine looked like. Did such magazines also exist in
> other countries at the time?

The Disneyland magazine was at least published in Sweden and United
Kingdom, AFAIK.

Stefan

Rob Klein

Editors' research, Message 257 - 2003-05-14 at 00:21:31

Hi Stefan. You only sent DCML return address. Actually, of course, I should
have explained that that was only MY
opinion. Unlike some Barksists and Rosaists, I should not try to imply that I
should know the
EXACT,CORRECT, ONLY TRUTH! I was only trying to go with logic and what
information we have received in the various media that represent "The Duck
Universe". Even the "most logical course" is NOT NECESSARILY correct! Logic
tells me that "The planet that Calisota inhabits" is a parallel planet to Earth
in another dimension. My best guess is that the 2-dimensional comics that we
read are only graphic representations of a 3-dimensional world, with beings
that evolved differently from those on Earth. The Ducklike, piglike, doglike
animals are not necessarily "mammals", "birds", "reptiles", etc. like those
classes found on our Earth.

However, perhaps my logical guess is wrong. Perhaps the German Donaldist theory
that "The Ducks' Planet" we see represented in the comics is really a future,
post-nuclear holocaust Earth, populated by some of the current Earth's animals
and plants, but with the "intelligent" species being mutant outgrowths caused
by the horrific levels of radiation.

>Who knows???

> > THEY ARE NOT ON EARTH!!!!
>
> I would like to meet the Duck family. Do you know which planet I should
> take my spaceship to? ;-)-NOT REALLY> But, do you know a wacky inventor who
has a machine that can transport you to another dimension?
>
Hej, hej, og hilsen,

Rob Klein
>
>

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Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.

The Sign of the Triple Distelfink Message 258 - 2003-05-14 at 00:32:31

Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.

Norwegian "Disneyland" Magazine Message 259 - 2003-05-14 at 00:49:02

Hi all!

From 1973 to 1975 or shortly after, there existed a Disney children's
magazine in Norway called "Disneyland". This was the magazine I was reading
before I started reading Donald Duck & Co. Until very recently I believed
that my whole collection of these magazines was lost many years ago as the
result of a flood in our house. However just a few weeks ago I rediscovered
two of those lost magazines hidden away in a dry place for many years. Each
magazine consisted of 24 pages. So here are a few scans made to give you an
image of what this magazine looked like. Did such magazines also exist in
other countries at the time?

Cover:
http://duckman.pettho.com/disneyland/dl_01.jpg
Back:
http://duckman.pettho.com/disneyland/dl_02.jpg
Short story (part 1)
http://duckman.pettho.com/disneyland/dl_03.jpg
Short story (part 2)
http://duckman.pettho.com/disneyland/dl_04.jpg
Short story (Text only)
http://duckman.pettho.com/disneyland/dl_05.jpg
Puzzles
http://duckman.pettho.com/disneyland/dl_06.jpg

Sigvald :-)

Rob Klein

No subject Message 260 - 2003-05-14 at 01:12:50

It seems to me that we have MANY MANY different Duck Universes (probably ALMOST
as many as we have different creators (live and deceased)! Few of them
coincide CONGRUENTLY in ALL their various aspects. Therefore, I think it would
be extremely difficult to decide how many of them are "major" or Main"
differing categories of "Duck Universes".

I want to make this clear, Sigvald, that I am not intending to publically
criticize you, but only to have you think about the following point. The only
reason I'm make this point in public is that it is of interest to many list
members. I see, by your many related comments, that you seem to have a strong
desire and/or need to place the "information" "point" or "situation" in a
rigourously defined box or small group of categories (i.e. get down to
the "true essence" or "simple real truth"). That makes topics easy to talk
about. Unfortunately, topics that have open questions or have details to the
Nth degree cannot easily be simplified without risking "jumping to conclusion"
errors, or oversimplication that involves inaccuracies. It is an admirable
quality to want to simplify discussions to help communication. However,
sometimes that cannot be accomplished without loss of meaning, or risking
inaccuracy.

In this situation, it might be best to leave it that there are many different
Duck Universes. Why not leave it to the individual fan to decide what his/her
favourite is? Discussions over whether there are 2,3,4,5, or 77 major "Duck
Universes is likely to be moot (AT BEST).

That reminds me of the classic Monty Python sketch:

"The Spanish Inquisition has three.... no, four.... no five ways to....

Rob
Klein

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Rob Klein

No subject Message 261 - 2003-05-14 at 01:45:51

AHA!!! Donald has tried to fly in a "Donald Duck" comic story. AND, he failed
only because he ATE TOO MUCH! I now know he MUST be able to fly, and
therefore, be an (Earth duck) of the bird family, as I have seen his wings
portrayed in the 1934-35 drawings of him. Therefore, I retract all my previous
theories! He must roll up his wing feathers tightly around his "armbones". I
must finish this note quickly, so I can report this to my local "Der Donaldist"
editor! STOP THE PRESSES!!!

Rob Rumour-Monger Klein

Leave it to Donald to forget to unfurl his wings whn he decided to fly
again!!!

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Olaf Solstrand

The Sign of the Triple Distelfink Message 262 - 2003-05-14 at 02:30:48

> A few weeks ago I did put Don Rosa's "The Sign of the Triple Distelfink"
> (The Norwegian version) on-line due to a frindly request from our friend
> Maciek. The part of the story where DR indicates that Grandma is giving a
> mammal birth to Gladstone's mother is on page 12! And please notice that
> that's not something I have come up with myself - it's something that Don
> Rosa once told me himself.
>

Pardon my language - but it is BULLSHIT calling this a "mammal birth"! Yes,
that may be what Don Rosa meant with it - but that is certainly not what is
said in the story (unless this frame was brutally malfracted by a
translator - and even if it was, it was for a reason.)

Allow me to translate from Norwegian, for those who still can't find their
copy:

Grandma telling: "Grandpa had rented a travelling painter and were watching
him as he finished the new barn..."
Grandpa: "What is the strange pattern you're painting? I have seen it on
other barns, but..."
Painter: "It is my gift to the child your wife is waiting. It's called a
[word I' don't know]."
Grandpa: "What? [word I don't know]?"
Painter: "Don't worry - [word I don't know] always brings luck. This is a
triple distlefink, that triples people's luck. Combined with the symbol that
wishes the child all well."
Painter: "And I painted a _reverse_ triple distelfink on the backside. That
means that all bad luck is _behind_ you!"
Grandpa: "That was a very nice thing to do, stranger!"
Grandma (off): "Ooh! I think it is time!"
Grandpa: "What time, Grandma? I'm standing here talking to..."
Grandpa: "?!"
Grandma telling: "And the sign seemed to work! Daphne was born lucky, and
Gladstone inherited all of her luck!"

If different in many other countries, please say so.

What in this story implicates that this is a mammal birth? Yes, the painter
says "my gift to the child your wife is waiting", but that doesn't mean this
child HAS to be a lump on her stommach. It COULD be an egg.

And the line I vaguely remembered, "I think my water just broke" - pfft, I
was completely wrong! The line used was "I think it is time", which
CERTAINLY does NOT stress that this is a mammal birth!

Another funny detail I noticed (because it is the kind of error Don Rosa
tries to never do, and either he or the translator did so) is that when
Grandpa talked to Grandma, he called her "Bestemor" ("Grandma") - although,
they didn't have ANY grandchildren yet, while they probably still went under
the names "Ma" and "Pa" Duck [reference: The Life and Times of Scrooge
McDuck X] - if even that.

Olaf the Blue
www.andebyonline.com

Olaf Solstrand

Comments to ROB Message 263 - 2003-05-14 at 03:03:58

> If not, you do IMO put to much faith in one single IMO obscure source.
There
> are a lot of other sources showing Donald taking a bath or showering with
a
> naked over-body without there being any sign of any wings at all.

What makes one source more obscure than another? His wings COULD be hidden,
just like his ears or his genitalia?

> Besides we have *not* seen the whole story where the actual panel is
found.

Correction - YOU have *not* seen the whole story where the actual panel is
found. I assume S?ren has, and also got the feeling that Rob knows this
story.

> My guess is that there is another, much more logical reason (like a
> Gearloose-invention) that is supposed to make Donald being able to fly
just
> like that.

...my guess would be that the original poster on this matter, S?ren, HAS
read the story and knows whether such a thingie is involved or not, and
wouldn't post it if it was.

Oh well. S?ren, enlighten us.

Olaf

SRoweCanoe

Norwegian "Disneyland" Magazine Message 264 - 2003-05-14 at 03:16:31

In a message dated 5/13/2003 5:01:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
spe at inducks.org writes:

> The Disneyland magazine was at least published in Sweden and United
> Kingdom, AFAIK.
>
>
and in the usa

steven rowe

Olaf Solstrand

Comments to ROB Message 265 - 2003-05-14 at 03:42:06

> 1) The actual story is AFAIK not written or drawn by any of the major
famous
> creators who have fronted the development of the Duckburg-universe.
>
> 2) The actual story seems to be one of the large mass, not a reprinted
> timless classic.
>

Well... this may be throwing wood into the flames, but...

... 1) neither is "Sign of the triple distelfink".
... 2) same goes for "Sign of the triple distelfink".

Olaf the Blue

Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.

Comments to ROB Message 266 - 2003-05-14 at 03:42:56

Rob Klein <bi442 at lafn.org> wrote:

> I want to make this clear, Sigvald, that
> I am not intending to publically criticize
> you, but only to have you think about the
> following point...

It's OK! I have recently started to think of the multiple Duckburg-universe
theory myself. That way I can keep my views, and others kan keep their views
without contradiction each other.

> AHA!!! Donald has tried to fly in a "Donald
> Duck" comic story. AND, he failed only because
> he ATE TOO MUCH! I now know he MUST be able
> to fly, and therefore, be an (Earth duck) of
> the bird family, as I have seen his wings
> portrayed in the 1934-35 drawings of him.

This is some kind of joke - right?
If not, you do IMO put to much faith in one single IMO obscure source. There
are a lot of other sources showing Donald taking a bath or showering with a
naked over-body without there being any sign of any wings at all.

Besides we have *not* seen the whole story where the actual panel is found.
My guess is that there is another, much more logical reason (like a
Gearloose-invention) that is supposed to make Donald being able to fly just
like that.

Sigvald :-)

Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.

The Sign of the Triple Distelfink Message 267 - 2003-05-14 at 03:54:16

Olaf Solstrand <olaf at andebyonline.com> wrote:

> Allow me to translate from Norwegian, for those
> who still can't find their copy:

The missing word "Heksetegn" = Witch Sign.

> Another funny detail I noticed (because it is
> the kind of error Don Rosa tries to never do,
> and either he or the translator did so) is
> that when Grandpa talked to Grandma, he called
> her "Bestemor" ("Grandma") - although, they
> didn't have ANY grandchildren yet, while they
> probably still went under the names "Ma" and
> "Pa" Duck [reference: The Life and Times of
> Scrooge McDuck X] - if even that.

That is en error made by the translator - that's what Don Rosa once told me.

Sigvald :-)

Rob Klein

Answer To Sigvald Message 268 - 2003-05-14 at 03:57:54

O-OH!!! NOW I see why I'm having such a hard time making a living as a COMEDY
writer!!!

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Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.

The Sign of the Triple Distelfink Message 269 - 2003-05-14 at 04:01:24

Olaf Solstrand <olaf at andebyonline.com> wrote:

> Allow me to translate from Norwegian, for those
> who still can't find their copy:
>
> Grandma telling: "Grandpa had rented a
> travelling painter and were watching him as
> he finished the new barn..."Grandpa: "What is
> the strange pattern you're painting? I have
> seen it on other barns, but..."
> Painter: "It is my gift to the child your wife
> is waiting..."

Actaully the word "child" here can be seen as another indication off a
mammal birth. Because humans give mammal-birth to "children", while birds
have "chickens" hatching themselves out of their eggs...

Sigvald :-)

Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.

Comments to ROB Message 270 - 2003-05-14 at 04:35:27

Olaf Solstrand <olaf at andebyonline.com> wrote:

> What makes one source more obscure than
> another?

1) The actual story is AFAIK not written or drawn by any of the major famous
creators who have fronted the development of the Duckburg-universe.

2) The actual story seems to be one of the large mass, not a reprinted
timless classic.

Sigvald :-)

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