Captain Herbert Haddock was captain of the SS Olympic,
sistership to the SS Titanic, and receiving her
S.O.S.-calls on that fatal night in 1912. Haddock was also
the first to telegraph the news of the disastrofe to the
White Star Line.
http://www.geocities.com/Nashville/Opry/1940/pages/olympic/
history.htm
The other Captain Haddock's first name is Archibald.
(Actually, there's a whole family of captains and admirals
Haddock in the South-English town of Leigh-on-Sea. I don't
know if this Herbert Haddock belongs to that family.)
Michiel Prior.
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M.J. Prior
Captain Haddock
Message 286 -
2003-05-14 at 17:46:31
Ggk
The Sign of the Triple Distelfink
Message 287 -
2003-05-14 at 18:04:00
> Hi all!
>
> A few weeks ago I did put Don Rosa's "The Sign of the Triple Distelfink"
> (The Norwegian version) on-line due to a frindly request from our friend
> Maciek. The part of the story where DR indicates that Grandma is giving a
> mammal birth to Gladstone's mother is on page 12! And please notice that
> that's not something I have come up with myself - it's something that Don
> Rosa once told me himself.
>
Hi
You olsow mith find link to thous page's her :
http://strony.wp.pl/wp/ggzdk/komiksy.html
(thank's agian Sigvald :-))
Yours
Maciek :-)
>
> A few weeks ago I did put Don Rosa's "The Sign of the Triple Distelfink"
> (The Norwegian version) on-line due to a frindly request from our friend
> Maciek. The part of the story where DR indicates that Grandma is giving a
> mammal birth to Gladstone's mother is on page 12! And please notice that
> that's not something I have come up with myself - it's something that Don
> Rosa once told me himself.
>
Hi
You olsow mith find link to thous page's her :
http://strony.wp.pl/wp/ggzdk/komiksy.html
(thank's agian Sigvald :-))
Yours
Maciek :-)
Cord Wiljes
WG: A small comment eggs and ducks
Message 288 -
2003-05-14 at 18:40:09
In a message dated 5/14/2003 8:08:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cord at wiljes.de writes:
>> "If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at
>> least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic
>> bird of the family anatidae on our hands." (Douglas Adams)
Steven Rowe replies:
> but in this case, "it is all lines on paper, folks!"
> aint fish nor fowl (nor even human) - just drawings and
> stories by folks who can tell a good one!
I will consider the possibility. Even though, to my knowledge, there is no
passage in the canonical literature about the Ducks multiplying by printing
machines.
Cord
>> "If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at
>> least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic
>> bird of the family anatidae on our hands." (Douglas Adams)
Steven Rowe replies:
> but in this case, "it is all lines on paper, folks!"
> aint fish nor fowl (nor even human) - just drawings and
> stories by folks who can tell a good one!
I will consider the possibility. Even though, to my knowledge, there is no
passage in the canonical literature about the Ducks multiplying by printing
machines.
Cord
Olaf Solstrand
Bullshit
Message 289 -
2003-05-14 at 19:35:47
> Pardon my language, but this is pure BULLSHIT!!!
...and, as I mentioned, I expected that someone here would have to burst out
against my last mail. In fact, I'm even surprised that nobody BUT Sigvald
reacted on this. Oh well, I guess there are more to come?
> You know, as I and veryone else here know, that Don Rosa's name is put on
> the front of the Scandinavian Weeklies - just as with Barks' name. That
> proves that he is a very important creator.
No, that only proves what the editors of the weeklies think of him. I heard
that they will put it on the front when _my_ first story comes (in Norway,
that is) in six weeks - does that prove that I am a very important creator?
No, I'm not. The editors like Don Rosa, plus I guess they feel that putting
his name on front pages would SELL more. (I hope no publishers reading this
are offended.)
Whether his name is on the front page or not doesn't prove anything. Don
Rosa has been writing Disney Comics "only" in 16 years. You say that he is
one "of the major famous creators who have fronted the development of the
Duckburg-universe". No, he's not. When Don Rosa started writing Disney
Comics, most of the universe already _was_ fully developed. And most of what
Don Rosa does, is despites everything that is "normal". Don Rosa e.g. writes
stories he claims finds place in the 1950's, while NO other writers in
Egmont are allowed to write stories that doesn't find place today (I mention
only Egmont here, as that is both Don Rosa's publisher and the one I know
best myself - but feel free to add information on the situation in other
countries). And when he is doing one thing and everybody else not only
_does_ the opposit, but also _are made_ doing the opposit by the publisher,
you can't call him a developer.
And as long as you choose to say that e.g. Scarpa and Gatto are just in the
big mass, I don't see why Don Rosa shouldn't be in there. Romano Scarpa has
been writing Disney stories since Don Rosa were in diapers (give or take a
year or two), and is still active today. Besides writing, he has given A LOT
to the Mouse- and Duck-universes through new characters and new sides of the
characters. If FIFTY YEARS of EXCELLENT writing, art and development doesn't
qualify him to be "of the major famous creators", I don't see why Don Rosa
is so different.
Don't get me wrong - I _love_ the comics of Don Rosa. But often everything
he writes can be divided into three classes: (a) "Regular" comics, (b) Barks
references and (c) things not following the rules everybody else has to
follow - or combinations of these three. I don't mind ANY of these classes,
but they're not very developing. At least not more developing than what all
other writers and artists must face every day (I'm not trying to say that
Don Rosa's work is EASY - I feel very sure it isn't - but it's not very
developing).
Yes, Don Rosa develops side characters himself. That's developing, but not
more than the development EVERY writer and artist does in EVERY story. E.g.
in my own story "Being Donald Duck" (art by Nu?ez, hitting the Scandinavian
weeklies 26-03), we meet a farmer. He doesn't have a name, and we will
probably never see him again. Still, in a comic he's just as valuable as
Arpin Lus?ne or Scrooge's horse Hortense. He is a character created by a
writer because he was needed for that story - and so what if he wasn't
created by Don Rosa? It's not like so many of Don Rosa's characters have
been used by _other_ writers, so it's wrong calling it development.
Yes, much of what Don Rosa has written contains great parts with huge
importance for the development of characters - but these parts are usually
Barks references. Let's take an example: "King of the Klondike" (The life
and times of Scrooge McDuck XIII). Yes, this is an IMPORTANT part of
Scrooge's life - but all the vital facts are already given to us by Carl
Barks. Carl Barks told us Scrooge was here, he told us about Goldie, he told
us about Soapy Slick. He told us about the goose egg nugget, he told us
everything. That is what Don Rosa took, and he added a lot to make a GREAT
story out of it. But the parts he added are not any more developing than
what every writer and artist do.
And whenever Don Rosa does something that COULD be developing - it's not
developing at all. Don Rosa's stories finding place in the 1950's COULD be
developing, if the editors approved this (again, I'm talking Egmont only).
If Don Rosa wrote stories finding place in the 1950's, and all editors said
"I like this, I want all writers to write stories from that period" - now,
THAT would be developing. But no. Don Rosa is allowed writing stories
finding place in the 1950's simply because he's a special writer. No
"normal" authors are allowed to write like that.
> And we both knows that it's just
> a matter of time before "Sign of the Triple Distelfink" will be reprinted.
Eh... No, we don't. Where do you know that from? Anyhow, we're talking about
"reprinted timeless classics" here, aren't we? Well, "Sign of the Triple
Distelfink" is not a classic, and certainly not reprinted. And even if it IS
reprinted some day, that's no reason that it should be a classic. We read an
awful lot of reprints in the weekly these days, Sigvald, don't we?
No, I don't see what seperates "Sign of the Triple Distelfink" from other
stories. It's a birthday story, yes - but we've seen quite a lot of those
the last years. Donald has a birthday story every year, everybody else has
one at least every fifth year... That's awfully many stories.
> So I hope that you was just kidding here - and not seriously attacking Don
> Rosa's name and reputation?
Don Rosa, if you're reading this: If you feel that I attack your name and
reputation by writing this, please let me know. That surely was not my
intention.
Olaf :-(
...and, as I mentioned, I expected that someone here would have to burst out
against my last mail. In fact, I'm even surprised that nobody BUT Sigvald
reacted on this. Oh well, I guess there are more to come?
> You know, as I and veryone else here know, that Don Rosa's name is put on
> the front of the Scandinavian Weeklies - just as with Barks' name. That
> proves that he is a very important creator.
No, that only proves what the editors of the weeklies think of him. I heard
that they will put it on the front when _my_ first story comes (in Norway,
that is) in six weeks - does that prove that I am a very important creator?
No, I'm not. The editors like Don Rosa, plus I guess they feel that putting
his name on front pages would SELL more. (I hope no publishers reading this
are offended.)
Whether his name is on the front page or not doesn't prove anything. Don
Rosa has been writing Disney Comics "only" in 16 years. You say that he is
one "of the major famous creators who have fronted the development of the
Duckburg-universe". No, he's not. When Don Rosa started writing Disney
Comics, most of the universe already _was_ fully developed. And most of what
Don Rosa does, is despites everything that is "normal". Don Rosa e.g. writes
stories he claims finds place in the 1950's, while NO other writers in
Egmont are allowed to write stories that doesn't find place today (I mention
only Egmont here, as that is both Don Rosa's publisher and the one I know
best myself - but feel free to add information on the situation in other
countries). And when he is doing one thing and everybody else not only
_does_ the opposit, but also _are made_ doing the opposit by the publisher,
you can't call him a developer.
And as long as you choose to say that e.g. Scarpa and Gatto are just in the
big mass, I don't see why Don Rosa shouldn't be in there. Romano Scarpa has
been writing Disney stories since Don Rosa were in diapers (give or take a
year or two), and is still active today. Besides writing, he has given A LOT
to the Mouse- and Duck-universes through new characters and new sides of the
characters. If FIFTY YEARS of EXCELLENT writing, art and development doesn't
qualify him to be "of the major famous creators", I don't see why Don Rosa
is so different.
Don't get me wrong - I _love_ the comics of Don Rosa. But often everything
he writes can be divided into three classes: (a) "Regular" comics, (b) Barks
references and (c) things not following the rules everybody else has to
follow - or combinations of these three. I don't mind ANY of these classes,
but they're not very developing. At least not more developing than what all
other writers and artists must face every day (I'm not trying to say that
Don Rosa's work is EASY - I feel very sure it isn't - but it's not very
developing).
Yes, Don Rosa develops side characters himself. That's developing, but not
more than the development EVERY writer and artist does in EVERY story. E.g.
in my own story "Being Donald Duck" (art by Nu?ez, hitting the Scandinavian
weeklies 26-03), we meet a farmer. He doesn't have a name, and we will
probably never see him again. Still, in a comic he's just as valuable as
Arpin Lus?ne or Scrooge's horse Hortense. He is a character created by a
writer because he was needed for that story - and so what if he wasn't
created by Don Rosa? It's not like so many of Don Rosa's characters have
been used by _other_ writers, so it's wrong calling it development.
Yes, much of what Don Rosa has written contains great parts with huge
importance for the development of characters - but these parts are usually
Barks references. Let's take an example: "King of the Klondike" (The life
and times of Scrooge McDuck XIII). Yes, this is an IMPORTANT part of
Scrooge's life - but all the vital facts are already given to us by Carl
Barks. Carl Barks told us Scrooge was here, he told us about Goldie, he told
us about Soapy Slick. He told us about the goose egg nugget, he told us
everything. That is what Don Rosa took, and he added a lot to make a GREAT
story out of it. But the parts he added are not any more developing than
what every writer and artist do.
And whenever Don Rosa does something that COULD be developing - it's not
developing at all. Don Rosa's stories finding place in the 1950's COULD be
developing, if the editors approved this (again, I'm talking Egmont only).
If Don Rosa wrote stories finding place in the 1950's, and all editors said
"I like this, I want all writers to write stories from that period" - now,
THAT would be developing. But no. Don Rosa is allowed writing stories
finding place in the 1950's simply because he's a special writer. No
"normal" authors are allowed to write like that.
> And we both knows that it's just
> a matter of time before "Sign of the Triple Distelfink" will be reprinted.
Eh... No, we don't. Where do you know that from? Anyhow, we're talking about
"reprinted timeless classics" here, aren't we? Well, "Sign of the Triple
Distelfink" is not a classic, and certainly not reprinted. And even if it IS
reprinted some day, that's no reason that it should be a classic. We read an
awful lot of reprints in the weekly these days, Sigvald, don't we?
No, I don't see what seperates "Sign of the Triple Distelfink" from other
stories. It's a birthday story, yes - but we've seen quite a lot of those
the last years. Donald has a birthday story every year, everybody else has
one at least every fifth year... That's awfully many stories.
> So I hope that you was just kidding here - and not seriously attacking Don
> Rosa's name and reputation?
Don Rosa, if you're reading this: If you feel that I attack your name and
reputation by writing this, please let me know. That surely was not my
intention.
Olaf :-(
Donald D. Markstein
OT - about DCML messages online
Message 290 -
2003-05-15 at 00:17:35
> It works by relying on human intelligence. Any human who tries to send a
> mail to that link will instantly realise that they should indeed
> REMOVE_THIS, while the automated tools the spammers use might not
Thanks, Theresa and Morten, for your replies to my question. I'm afraid,
tho, human intelligence isn't available to me in this situation. Not that
I'd dream of saying my readers don't have it, but I get a lot of mail from
people who are VERY new to the Internet, and have even less idea than I do
of how it works. They could easily click the link and never even look at the
address it puts in the field, let alone notice that it doesn't make sense.
Their human intelligence will no-doubt enable them to spot such things when
they have more experience, but I can't count on that.
Quack, Don
Today in Toons: Every day's an anniversary.
http://www.toonopedia.com/today.htm
> mail to that link will instantly realise that they should indeed
> REMOVE_THIS, while the automated tools the spammers use might not
Thanks, Theresa and Morten, for your replies to my question. I'm afraid,
tho, human intelligence isn't available to me in this situation. Not that
I'd dream of saying my readers don't have it, but I get a lot of mail from
people who are VERY new to the Internet, and have even less idea than I do
of how it works. They could easily click the link and never even look at the
address it puts in the field, let alone notice that it doesn't make sense.
Their human intelligence will no-doubt enable them to spot such things when
they have more experience, but I can't count on that.
Quack, Don
Today in Toons: Every day's an anniversary.
http://www.toonopedia.com/today.htm
Donald D. Markstein
Vladek Spiegelman [to Sigvald]
Message 291 -
2003-05-15 at 00:18:55
> I'm glad to include a link to Don Markstein's Toonopedia page
> for 'Maus', for I'm really very pleased with the existence of
> this beautiful, useful and resourceful website.
>
> >>> http://www.toonopedia.com/maus.htm
Thanks for the nice words.
Quack, Don
Today in Toons: Every day's an anniversary.
http://www.toonopedia.com/today.htm
> for 'Maus', for I'm really very pleased with the existence of
> this beautiful, useful and resourceful website.
>
> >>> http://www.toonopedia.com/maus.htm
Thanks for the nice words.
Quack, Don
Today in Toons: Every day's an anniversary.
http://www.toonopedia.com/today.htm
Stefan Persson
Bullshit
Message 292 -
2003-05-15 at 01:12:16
Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr. wrote:
> Olaf Solstrand <olaf at andebyonline.com> wrote:
>
> > I heard that they will put it on the front
> > when _my_ first story comes (in Norway,
> > that is) in six weeks - does that prove that
> > I am a very important creator?
>
> They'll do it because you are a Norwegian. And I guess the most important
> such these days!
Olaf: Do you know if your name will be on the Swedish and Danish weeklies as well?
Sigvald: The Swedish weekly does not put the names of any Swedish creators on the cover just because any of their stories is in the issue.
> > (The life and times of Scrooge McDuck XIII).
>
> Oooops, Olaf - V not X - Lo$ part VIII is the correct number.
The Life and Times of $crooge McDuck XIII, would that be The Carl Barks Library? 8-)
Stefan
> Olaf Solstrand <olaf at andebyonline.com> wrote:
>
> > I heard that they will put it on the front
> > when _my_ first story comes (in Norway,
> > that is) in six weeks - does that prove that
> > I am a very important creator?
>
> They'll do it because you are a Norwegian. And I guess the most important
> such these days!
Olaf: Do you know if your name will be on the Swedish and Danish weeklies as well?
Sigvald: The Swedish weekly does not put the names of any Swedish creators on the cover just because any of their stories is in the issue.
> > (The life and times of Scrooge McDuck XIII).
>
> Oooops, Olaf - V not X - Lo$ part VIII is the correct number.
The Life and Times of $crooge McDuck XIII, would that be The Carl Barks Library? 8-)
Stefan
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Bullshit
Message 293 -
2003-05-15 at 01:51:58
Olaf Solstrand <olaf at andebyonline.com> wrote:
> I heard that they will put it on the front
> when _my_ first story comes (in Norway,
> that is) in six weeks - does that prove that
> I am a very important creator?
They'll do it because you are a Norwegian. And I guess the most important
such these days!
> I guess they feel that putting his name on
> front pages would SELL more.
Indeed. And why? I guess because he's impotant.
> Romano Scarpa has been writing Disney stories
> since Don Rosa were in diapers (give or take a
> year or two), and is still active today.
> Besides writing, he has given A LOT to the
> Mouse- and Duck-universes through new
> characters and new sides of the characters.
> If FIFTY YEARS of EXCELLENT writing, art and
> development doesn't qualify him to be "of the
> major famous creators", I don't see why
> Don Rosa is so different.
Romano Scarpa IS among "the major famous creators".
> (The life and times of Scrooge McDuck XIII).
Oooops, Olaf - V not X - Lo$ part VIII is the correct number.
>> So I hope that you was just kidding here
>> - and not seriously attacking Don Rosa's
>> name and reputation?
>
> Don Rosa, if you're reading this: If you feel
> that I attack your name and reputation by
> writing this, please let me know. That surely
> was not my intention.
No it was not, even I can see that now.
Sigvald :-)
> I heard that they will put it on the front
> when _my_ first story comes (in Norway,
> that is) in six weeks - does that prove that
> I am a very important creator?
They'll do it because you are a Norwegian. And I guess the most important
such these days!
> I guess they feel that putting his name on
> front pages would SELL more.
Indeed. And why? I guess because he's impotant.
> Romano Scarpa has been writing Disney stories
> since Don Rosa were in diapers (give or take a
> year or two), and is still active today.
> Besides writing, he has given A LOT to the
> Mouse- and Duck-universes through new
> characters and new sides of the characters.
> If FIFTY YEARS of EXCELLENT writing, art and
> development doesn't qualify him to be "of the
> major famous creators", I don't see why
> Don Rosa is so different.
Romano Scarpa IS among "the major famous creators".
> (The life and times of Scrooge McDuck XIII).
Oooops, Olaf - V not X - Lo$ part VIII is the correct number.
>> So I hope that you was just kidding here
>> - and not seriously attacking Don Rosa's
>> name and reputation?
>
> Don Rosa, if you're reading this: If you feel
> that I attack your name and reputation by
> writing this, please let me know. That surely
> was not my intention.
No it was not, even I can see that now.
Sigvald :-)
Stefan Persson
Great Italian creators
Message 294 -
2003-05-15 at 02:07:10
Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr. wrote:
> Lately there have been a focus on Italian creators, specially on Luciano
> Gatto ? a name still unfamiliar to me, and I guess most Norwegians. That
> doesn't mean that he is a lousy creator in any way. It just mean that his
> name has not been presented very well by our national weekly Donald Duck &
> Co or in other Disney publications in Norway. I guess that's because those
> magazines and books are mainly intended for kids ? not for Donaldists.
Italian stories are usually written in a 3-tierd format, while 4-tierd
stories are preferred in the weeklies. This could be a reason to that
most of Gatto's stories make it into the pockets rather than into the
weeklies.
> Even so the Italian story I do remember best was published in Norwegian
> DD&Co 32-35/1975 ? "Den store Ballongferden" (The Great Ballonrace), 28
> pages. According to COA this story is written and drawn by Guido Martina and
> Giorgio Cavazzano ? and it seems that several pages were cut in the
> Scandinavian publication in 1975. Can anyone here tell me more about this
> story and these creators?
The story was remounted from 4-tierd to 3-tierd layout, this resulting
in a smaller amount of pages. Also, removing pages was very common at
that time. The publishers often removed some pages from a longer story
instead of trying to find a shorter story that already had the correct
page count.
Stefan
> Lately there have been a focus on Italian creators, specially on Luciano
> Gatto ? a name still unfamiliar to me, and I guess most Norwegians. That
> doesn't mean that he is a lousy creator in any way. It just mean that his
> name has not been presented very well by our national weekly Donald Duck &
> Co or in other Disney publications in Norway. I guess that's because those
> magazines and books are mainly intended for kids ? not for Donaldists.
Italian stories are usually written in a 3-tierd format, while 4-tierd
stories are preferred in the weeklies. This could be a reason to that
most of Gatto's stories make it into the pockets rather than into the
weeklies.
> Even so the Italian story I do remember best was published in Norwegian
> DD&Co 32-35/1975 ? "Den store Ballongferden" (The Great Ballonrace), 28
> pages. According to COA this story is written and drawn by Guido Martina and
> Giorgio Cavazzano ? and it seems that several pages were cut in the
> Scandinavian publication in 1975. Can anyone here tell me more about this
> story and these creators?
The story was remounted from 4-tierd to 3-tierd layout, this resulting
in a smaller amount of pages. Also, removing pages was very common at
that time. The publishers often removed some pages from a longer story
instead of trying to find a shorter story that already had the correct
page count.
Stefan
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
Great Italian creators
Message 295 -
2003-05-15 at 02:27:58
Hi all!
First let me say that I think that our "hot" debates lately have resulted in
a lot of qualified, informative and valuable comments from Rob, Olaf and
others. Comments that will be of great interest for future readers seeking
through the DCML-archives.
Lately there have been a focus on Italian creators, specially on Luciano
Gatto ? a name still unfamiliar to me, and I guess most Norwegians. That
doesn't mean that he is a lousy creator in any way. It just mean that his
name has not been presented very well by our national weekly Donald Duck &
Co or in other Disney publications in Norway. I guess that's because those
magazines and books are mainly intended for kids ? not for Donaldists.
Anyway I do read Italian comics as I have read all 269 Donald Duck Pocket
books that are published in Norway so far + other great stuff.
Even so the Italian story I do remember best was published in Norwegian
DD&Co 32-35/1975 ? "Den store Ballongferden" (The Great Ballonrace), 28
pages. According to COA this story is written and drawn by Guido Martina and
Giorgio Cavazzano ? and it seems that several pages were cut in the
Scandinavian publication in 1975. Can anyone here tell me more about this
story and these creators?
Sigvald :-)
First let me say that I think that our "hot" debates lately have resulted in
a lot of qualified, informative and valuable comments from Rob, Olaf and
others. Comments that will be of great interest for future readers seeking
through the DCML-archives.
Lately there have been a focus on Italian creators, specially on Luciano
Gatto ? a name still unfamiliar to me, and I guess most Norwegians. That
doesn't mean that he is a lousy creator in any way. It just mean that his
name has not been presented very well by our national weekly Donald Duck &
Co or in other Disney publications in Norway. I guess that's because those
magazines and books are mainly intended for kids ? not for Donaldists.
Anyway I do read Italian comics as I have read all 269 Donald Duck Pocket
books that are published in Norway so far + other great stuff.
Even so the Italian story I do remember best was published in Norwegian
DD&Co 32-35/1975 ? "Den store Ballongferden" (The Great Ballonrace), 28
pages. According to COA this story is written and drawn by Guido Martina and
Giorgio Cavazzano ? and it seems that several pages were cut in the
Scandinavian publication in 1975. Can anyone here tell me more about this
story and these creators?
Sigvald :-)
Rob Klein
Disney Magazine
Message 296 -
2003-05-15 at 03:26:36
Thank you Harry, for the Disney World Paris reference. Of course, I was
remembering the DisneyLand magazine of the 1970s and FORGETTING when
Disneyworld Paris was opened. Of course, I've never had anything to do with
the Disney Parks - so it was easy for me to not even remember within 20 years
of when it started. OR, is it because I'm getting close to 60 years old, and
not getting enough oxygen to my brain. I eat a lot of fish to feed my gray
matter. But, I guess my collecting all that MERCURY is worse for me than
the "natural" benefit of the fish's "brain food". I'd better switch to
ginkobaloba!!! Many of the European publishers published that Disney
children's magazine, to get to the younger children. Anyone know if there also
one published in Britain and USA?
YES, SIGVALD..... I WAS making a joke. It was to prove the point that others
were trying to make: That one can prove just about ANYTHING by using parts
of the thousands of stories by the thousands of creators with differing views
on the Disney universes. That's very much like our various liberal and
conservative politicians all finding some data that "prove" whatever point they
want to make, isn't it????
Like several others on our list have already posted, I observed, perused and
read page 12 of the Distelfink story. I printed a copy from the internet, and
placed the page 12 copy (small area by small area, under a microscope. I have
yet to find anything that even SUGGESTS, (let alone IMPLIES) that The unseen
birth inside the bedroom was a "live birth". I'm not totally illiterate in
Danish or Norwegian, as I used to live in Danmark. The wording stated something
to the effect of "I'm ready" or "it's ready"-or "it's ready to happen". I
can't remember now - but what I DO remember was it DIDN'T SAY "anything about
her "water breaking". It seems to me that the EGG was ready to come out, or
starting to come out (if you believe in Rota's and Strobl's precedents-OR, you
COULD think of it as a live birth (if you choose to believe that way). BUT,
there is no proof, evidence or indication that there was a live birth occurring
(as you claim, Sigvald. I apologize to all of you dcmlers who don't want to
hear the same comments made over and over again (but when it is said ENOUGH
times, it becomes anecdotal data (that can be used as DATA of its own (almost
like a non-scientific poll!)).
Say! Maybe I CAN be a comedy writer after all!!!
Rob Klein
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remembering the DisneyLand magazine of the 1970s and FORGETTING when
Disneyworld Paris was opened. Of course, I've never had anything to do with
the Disney Parks - so it was easy for me to not even remember within 20 years
of when it started. OR, is it because I'm getting close to 60 years old, and
not getting enough oxygen to my brain. I eat a lot of fish to feed my gray
matter. But, I guess my collecting all that MERCURY is worse for me than
the "natural" benefit of the fish's "brain food". I'd better switch to
ginkobaloba!!! Many of the European publishers published that Disney
children's magazine, to get to the younger children. Anyone know if there also
one published in Britain and USA?
YES, SIGVALD..... I WAS making a joke. It was to prove the point that others
were trying to make: That one can prove just about ANYTHING by using parts
of the thousands of stories by the thousands of creators with differing views
on the Disney universes. That's very much like our various liberal and
conservative politicians all finding some data that "prove" whatever point they
want to make, isn't it????
Like several others on our list have already posted, I observed, perused and
read page 12 of the Distelfink story. I printed a copy from the internet, and
placed the page 12 copy (small area by small area, under a microscope. I have
yet to find anything that even SUGGESTS, (let alone IMPLIES) that The unseen
birth inside the bedroom was a "live birth". I'm not totally illiterate in
Danish or Norwegian, as I used to live in Danmark. The wording stated something
to the effect of "I'm ready" or "it's ready"-or "it's ready to happen". I
can't remember now - but what I DO remember was it DIDN'T SAY "anything about
her "water breaking". It seems to me that the EGG was ready to come out, or
starting to come out (if you believe in Rota's and Strobl's precedents-OR, you
COULD think of it as a live birth (if you choose to believe that way). BUT,
there is no proof, evidence or indication that there was a live birth occurring
(as you claim, Sigvald. I apologize to all of you dcmlers who don't want to
hear the same comments made over and over again (but when it is said ENOUGH
times, it becomes anecdotal data (that can be used as DATA of its own (almost
like a non-scientific poll!)).
Say! Maybe I CAN be a comedy writer after all!!!
Rob Klein
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Rob Klein
Swim's Like a Duck
Message 297 -
2003-05-15 at 03:47:31
True, Barks and most other "Duck Artists" have shown Donald and the other Ducks
as swimming like humans. However, Taliaferro's Duck and some of Barks'
early "Ducks" were built in a more "horizontal stance". It would be
interesting to see Ducks built that way, swim in a pond or lake like real ducks
(e.g. with their bellies flat on the water, and their legs straight down into
the water.
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as swimming like humans. However, Taliaferro's Duck and some of Barks'
early "Ducks" were built in a more "horizontal stance". It would be
interesting to see Ducks built that way, swim in a pond or lake like real ducks
(e.g. with their bellies flat on the water, and their legs straight down into
the water.
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Olaf Solstrand
Bullshit
Message 298 -
2003-05-15 at 06:13:17
SIGVALD:
> They'll do it because you are a Norwegian. And I guess the most important
> such these days!
Well, but that only proves that ones does NOT have to be one of the major
developers to get it onto the front page.
> > I guess they feel that putting his name on
> > front pages would SELL more.
>
> Indeed. And why? I guess because he's impotant.
No, because he writes great stories. Theres a major difference in writing
great stories and being a great developer.
> Romano Scarpa IS among "the major famous creators".
He IS, now? You certainly didn't approve his character Gedeon - a good
character with several appearances - while you concider everything found in
the bottom-right corner of a dialogue balloon by Don Rosa to be pure facts.
> Oooops, Olaf - V not X - Lo$ part VIII is the correct number.
Uhm... Eh... No, I was referring to Lo$ XIII now... Uhm... No, you're right.
Of course. My mistake. Ils sont fous ces Romans!
> > Don Rosa, if you're reading this: If you feel
> > that I attack your name and reputation by
> > writing this, please let me know. That surely
> > was not my intention.
>
> No it was not, even I can see that now.
In that case I don't see why you accused me for it.
STEFAN:
> Olaf: Do you know if your name will be on the Swedish and Danish weeklies
as well?
OK, I was misunderstood. They won't use my NAME - but they will include a
frame from the story on the front page and write something like "funny story
written by new, NORWEGIAN writer!" OK, that's not my name, but it's pretty
close upto it.
Olaf the Blue
> They'll do it because you are a Norwegian. And I guess the most important
> such these days!
Well, but that only proves that ones does NOT have to be one of the major
developers to get it onto the front page.
> > I guess they feel that putting his name on
> > front pages would SELL more.
>
> Indeed. And why? I guess because he's impotant.
No, because he writes great stories. Theres a major difference in writing
great stories and being a great developer.
> Romano Scarpa IS among "the major famous creators".
He IS, now? You certainly didn't approve his character Gedeon - a good
character with several appearances - while you concider everything found in
the bottom-right corner of a dialogue balloon by Don Rosa to be pure facts.
> Oooops, Olaf - V not X - Lo$ part VIII is the correct number.
Uhm... Eh... No, I was referring to Lo$ XIII now... Uhm... No, you're right.
Of course. My mistake. Ils sont fous ces Romans!
> > Don Rosa, if you're reading this: If you feel
> > that I attack your name and reputation by
> > writing this, please let me know. That surely
> > was not my intention.
>
> No it was not, even I can see that now.
In that case I don't see why you accused me for it.
STEFAN:
> Olaf: Do you know if your name will be on the Swedish and Danish weeklies
as well?
OK, I was misunderstood. They won't use my NAME - but they will include a
frame from the story on the front page and write something like "funny story
written by new, NORWEGIAN writer!" OK, that's not my name, but it's pretty
close upto it.
Olaf the Blue
Klartekst
A Serious Accident to Scrooge McDuck (1912)
Message 299 -
2003-05-15 at 10:25:06
<Michiel Prior wrote about the Titanic incident in Lo$:>
<A gruesome experience? Merely a funny (and dramatic, to be fair) passage
in a comic.>
Sorry about this late response, but I respectfully disagree.
Jokes in the foreground while hundreds of people are drowning in the
background? I couldn't believe my eyes when I read it, and whenenever I
reread Lo$ I skip this part. It just makes me angry and upset. It is
lightyears away from the duck universe that I know and love.
This is (in my opinion) the kind of trouble you can get yourself into when
you place the ducks in the so-called real world. And with Don's annoyingly
detailed artwork (his own words, I believe), the result is jarring. No,
shocking.
Few duck creators write about death, but one example of how it can be
handled tastefully is found towards the end of "King $crooge the first" (U$
71). After drinking the antidote, the old king staggers of to the right -
presumably to die right outside the panel border. The combination of Bark's
script and Tony Strobl's art makes this a very touching moment.
Nils From Norway
<A gruesome experience? Merely a funny (and dramatic, to be fair) passage
in a comic.>
Sorry about this late response, but I respectfully disagree.
Jokes in the foreground while hundreds of people are drowning in the
background? I couldn't believe my eyes when I read it, and whenenever I
reread Lo$ I skip this part. It just makes me angry and upset. It is
lightyears away from the duck universe that I know and love.
This is (in my opinion) the kind of trouble you can get yourself into when
you place the ducks in the so-called real world. And with Don's annoyingly
detailed artwork (his own words, I believe), the result is jarring. No,
shocking.
Few duck creators write about death, but one example of how it can be
handled tastefully is found towards the end of "King $crooge the first" (U$
71). After drinking the antidote, the old king staggers of to the right -
presumably to die right outside the panel border. The combination of Bark's
script and Tony Strobl's art makes this a very touching moment.
Nils From Norway
H.W.Fluks
OT - about DCML messages online
Message 300 -
2003-05-15 at 11:11:16
Don M:
> I get a lot of mail from
> people who are VERY new to the Internet
Maybe they do know how to send an e-mail by typing over the address?
I sometimes use this trick: writing the e-mail address in plain
text only (no link to click), but with a slightly different layout:
H.W.Fluks<B>@</B>telecom.tno.nl
In HTML this looks almost "normal" to the human eye. It's also a
correct address when copied-and-pasted from a web page to a mail
program. And I guess (and hope) spam robots can't handle it.
--Harry.
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> I get a lot of mail from
> people who are VERY new to the Internet
Maybe they do know how to send an e-mail by typing over the address?
I sometimes use this trick: writing the e-mail address in plain
text only (no link to click), but with a slightly different layout:
H.W.Fluks<B>@</B>telecom.tno.nl
In HTML this looks almost "normal" to the human eye. It's also a
correct address when copied-and-pasted from a web page to a mail
program. And I guess (and hope) spam robots can't handle it.
--Harry.
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