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Hi all!

I am just thinking that there are several good Scandinavian Disney-story
creators out there - like Gorm Transgaard (DK), Olaf Solstrand (N) and I
guess many more. However I have still not seen any book with stories by
these - our own creators. This can't be due to lack of quality - so he only
reason is can see is Scandinavian modesty. Not so other places. The Italians
on their side have published expensive giant books with stories done by
Italians only.

I hope such a book can be done, but the Editors should then be very careful
and have in mind that Freddy Milton may be an American just living in
Denmark, while Jan Guldbranson even though he's living in Germany probably
is of Scandinavian descendece. Thus the latter rather than the first *may*
fit into such a book.

Yes, yes, I know that people with Italian and Dutch names (Rosa and Van
Horn) are Americans -that's why I use the word (*may*) above. The reason I
still mention that topic is that on the contrary I have *never* seen any
creator with an un-Italian name been called an Italian.

Sigvald :-)

SIGVALD:

>I am just thinking that there are several good Scandinavian Disney-story
creators out there - like Gorm Transgaard (DK), Olaf Solstrand (N) and I
guess many more

You "guess"? To name the most obvious, Lars Jensen (DK) is right
here on this list!

>I hope such a book can be done, but the Editors should then be very careful
and have in mind that Freddy Milton may be an American just living in
Denmark

Freddy Milton "may" be an American just living in Denmark.
And I "may" be an Azurbeijanian... but I'm not. (-:
Freddy Milton was born in Viborg, Jutland... that is to say,
Denmark! Sigvald, before you issue a stern warning to publishers, PLEASE
check into its accuracy. Where did your rumor originate?

David

Hi

Mads
>
>Has anyone Danish on the list noticed that it seems to be more expensive
>to
>buy a subscription, than just to go buy it in the shop each week ?
>A one year subscription costs 1075,- according www.andeby.dk
>A magazine costs 18,50,-
>
>This will be 52*18,5 = 962 dkr
>
>Who want to pay more for a subscription, usually the calculation should
>(and
>have) the other way around... I do know that the holiday specials are a
>little more expensive, but hey 3,- extra for max 10 issues, still doesn't
>make up for difference on 113,- ....

You should definetely ask the publisher about this - it does sound unfair.
-
It's possible that it's the extra issues, the Subscribers extras, and the
special offers for subscribers that make it cost more, but it's not really
the usual definition of a subscription.... Buy via subscription and pay
more.
>

Hilsen/Yours
Anders Christian Siveb?k
Donaldist

For Sigvald: Find me an editor in Scandinavia who doesn't know that Freddy
Milton IS Scandinavian (Danish)!(Milton is his "pen" name. (The family name is
Larsen!) Also: Jan Gulbransson IS half Norwegian, AND
spends significant time EVERY YEAR in NORWAY!!!(so by your definition, he
should also be included. His father's family comes from near the eastern side
of Oslo Fjord. His mother's family (1/2 Norwegian), was from Kragero(e). Have
you never heard of Olaf Gulbransson, (his grandfather)the famous cartoonist?

There are MANY other Scandanavian writers like Lars Jensen, and even a few
artists.

The Difference between the firms that publish for ONE country like Disney
Italia, VNU-Sanoma(Netherlands), Sanoma(Finland), Abril (Brazil), and French
Disney and Egmont is that Egmont produces for many countries and their
operating costs and budgets are geared towards that situation. It is easier for
a publisher serving THAT ONE country to decide whether or not to publish a book
that will sell only in THAT country. Ehapa, which is an Egmont company, has its
own budget, and therefore, can make a decision to produce stories and books on
their own. Would the Danish head office of Egmont decide to produce a book
that would sell only in Norway, Sweden and Denmark? That may be possible. But,
would those 3 countries' individual publishing divisions have to designate a
portion of their operating budget to produce such a book. Would The Faroes
islands and Icelandic Egmont Publishers participate in it? Or would their
interest and potential sales be deemed not significant enough to matter? Would
there really be enough interest?

Should there be a similar book for Britain (and its crew of British writers)?
Would anyone care? There isn't even such a book for a combination sample of
the best American artists and writers of Disney comics. Should we have Mickey
Mouse stories written by Pat McGreal, drawn by Ferioli, mixed with Grandma Duck
stories drawn by Frank McSavage (written by Unknown)?

The Scandinavian Book could also have a really strange mixture of work: Freddy
Milton written and drawn mid 1970s stories for Egmont, Gorm Transgaard/Freddy
Milton story drawn by Milton, published by Disney Italia, Robert Klein/Jan
Gulbransson story drawn by Gulbransson, published by Ehapa, a similar one,
published by Geilustreerde Pers, Lars Jensen stories, Flemming Andersen written
and drawn stories published in the pocketbooks (the same in 4-tier), Gorm
Transgaard-Freddy Milton stories published by VNU, etc., etc. It would be an
intersting mix.

It's an interesting idea. Would there be enough interest among the readers for
such a collection? Classic stories by Barks, Gottfredson & other classic
artists, and by recent artists such as Don Rosa, has worked. Collections in
albums for Daan Jippes and William Van Horn has worked. Has Van Horn's work
also been published in fancy hard-bound books? Will there be enough interest
in the work of Gorm Transgaard, Lars Jensen, Peter Hartfeld, Flemming
Andersen,etc. to make a fancy hardbound book pay? Or should it be tried out in
album (graphic novel)form first?

Perhaps David G. has some ideas about this?

Rob Klein

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Olaf Solstrand <olaf at andebyonline.com> wrote:

> This is neither a COMPLETE list, or a list
> put together by a QUALIFIED person. But I was
> asked to sumb them up some time ago in a
> discussion board, as we were discussing who
> was the best Nordic writer or artist. Anyhow,
> this is the list I came up with then (slightly
> edited - I remove a Finn and add Freddy Milton):
>
> -- Flemming Andersen (Denmark)
> -- Rasmus Nybo Andersen (Denmark?)
> -- Per-Erik Hedman (Sweden, living in Denmark)
> -- Lars Jensen (Denmark)
> -- Jesper Lund Madsen (Denmark)
> -- Freddy Milton (Denmark)
> -- Gorm Transgaard (Denmark, living in
> -- Costa Rica)
> -- Werner Wejp-Olsen (Denmark?)

Hmmm "Wejp" sounds Dutch. But then again in the beginning I thought Ari Behn
was from Finnland due to his first name.

> -- Hakon Aasnes (Norway)

Don't be modest - you forgot:
-- Olaf Solstrand (Norway)

> NOTES:
> But remember, for years I thought Jan Kruse
> was Norwegian. And so did I. Kruse is
> definately a Norwegian name - he may have
> Norwegian ancestors and thus perhaps be
> qualified for a book with Scandinavian
> creators.

By the way to correct Dutch way to write Kruse seems to be "Cruys". As
historians belive that the Dutch later Russian admiral Cornelius Cruys (who
actually was born in my homecity Stavanger as Nils Olsen) was of the
Kruse-family from the Molde area and thus changed the Norwegian Kruse into
the Dutch Cruys when he came to The Netherlands.

Sigvald :-)

Sigvald wrote:

> You seem to forget that Don Rosa did a great story about the Finnish
> Kalevala epic. A few years ago some people probably said "...the rest of the
> world don't care that much about Finland's national epic..."

Yes, he did. But I must say, as an American reader it was not one of my favorite Rosa stories. To be fair, we can say that Rosa has used the American Independence Day celebration in at least one of his stories (Lo$ 2), but it was simply a theme used to introduce the young Scrooge to the New World he was embarking upon. If an Lo$ chapter were to be written involving a young Scrooge visiting Norway during one of their national holiday celebrations, it may work, but to write a story based entirely on this event may sound rather boring to the rest of us. This may be a story more appropriately done by a Norwegian writer and artist. Besides, no one has bothered to ask Don if he would be willing to create such a story. And what of all the other countries in the world who have national holidays? Won' they feel left out? If Don were to be fair he'd spend the rest of his careeer trying to appeal to every reader's sense of nationality. I think he might feel he has better things to do.
Just a guess, though.-Dan

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For Sigvald: I did NOT (I repeat, NOT) mean to imply that no one outside
Scandinavia would be interested in stories by Scandinavian creators!!! Freddy
Milton and Gorm Transgaard are two of my very best friends. I like their
stories and artwork VERY, VERY much (Gorm is also a VERY GOOD ARTIST!). I like
Lars Jensen's stories very much. I find Flemming Andersens artwork very
interesting to look at (though I don't like it or the Italian style for The
Ducks).

What I DO mean, is that the Scandinavian creators do NOT have a style that is
distinguishable from the other Egmont writers. Most of the final artwork is
done by the "Spanish Group". Therefore, the bulk of the market for such a book
would be National (Scandinavian) chauvanists, and a few dcml members and
Donaldists who know of those creators. Flemming Anderen's artwork is much
like "The Cavazzano School". I doubt that The Danish Egmont Office would think
such a project has enough market. It would make more sense to me, to compile
and release album series of Flemming Andersen's best work, and to do the same
for Gorm Transgaard's and Lars Jensen's best work. This has already been done
for Daan Jippes and a few other individual artists, and it has worked. A hard-
bound, deluxe, fancy, expensive book would cost too much for the small number
of sales it could generate. Perhaps a small album series to compile and
combine the best work of the various non-prolific Scandinavian writers COULD
also be put into album form. But, I don't see why a typical young Disney fan
would care to have the stories segregated like that. Most of those kids don't
care who the writer's are. Most of them DON'T know that most of the writers
are NOT Scandinavians, and most don't know that most of the artists are also
NOT. They probably never even thought about that. Most of them want to know
who drew Barks' and Rosa's stories, and perhaps why the pocketbook stories look
so different from the Weekly books' stories-and that is about all. The curious
fans later become Donaldists and DCMLers. But OUR knowledgeable,
discriminating population is too small to sell special books to (especially if
they are expensive).
The reason a book on Italian Disney comic art sells in Northern Europe is
because we have enjoyed their work for many years in the pocketbooks. Similar
excellent stories that were printed in Topolino, but never came to Northern
Europe in the pocketbooks could be put into such "prestige books" and be hotly
desireable. I remember reading a few really nice Marco Rota stories in the
1980s, in "Stripgoed", the monthly precursor to Dutch Donald Duck Extra. It
made me want to look for more of his stories. That got me started looking
through the pocketbooks (which I had peviously avoided, as most of the art was
not to my liking).

THAT sort of experience of the Northern European kids leads them to be
interested in obtaining a book with the best of the Italian produced stories.
It is NOT specifically because the creators come from Italy. Would there be a
Worldwide market for an expensive fancy book with stories of all Dutch
creators? Stories only by Jan Kruse, Evart Geradts, Ruud Straatman, Frank
Jonker,Pascal Oost, etc. with art by Daan Jippes, Sander Gulien, Mau and Bas
Heymans, Ben Verhagen, Michel Nadorp, Mark deJonge, Jules Coenan, Dick Matena,
Danny Wanner, etc., etc. ad infinitum. I doubt that there would be demand for
such a book outside The Netherlands. All the stories (except post 2000 stories
by Jippes) were produced by Dutch Disney- so THEY would produce such a book if
they decided that it would be profitable. The French might consider producing
one of their own. But really, they may feel that would be overkill, as they
may feel they already reprint their "best" stories in their current, ongoing
album series.

While I remember, I'd better add famous Danish cartoonist/animator Borge Ring,
to your list of Scandanavian Disney comics artists. He drew stories for Dutch
Disney in the 1970s (and early '80s?).

Rob Klein

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