Theresa Wiegert <theresaw at oso.chalmers.se> wrote:
First, Theresa - your point is taken!
> So why don't we start a new crazy thread?
> Something that comes up every other year?
> I don't know what that would be though...
Well, yesterday I tried to start a tread about Disney comics in the Eastern
block during the cold war. However so far there has been no response. I
think that's a part of the problem here - non-offending stuff get less
attention...
Sigvald
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Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
behave!
Message 481 -
2003-05-24 at 04:49:01
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
DCML Digest, Vol 3, Issue 44
Message 482 -
2003-05-24 at 04:51:52
Martin Olsen <martin_olsen at post.tele.dk> wrote:
> No, Sigvald, You were concerned about *one*
> Scandinavian child, namely yourself!
Riddiculus!!!
Why would I be the only Norwegian +Danish owner of "Jeg Mikke Mus" / "Den
Store Mickey Mouse" who would have liked to see Swedish and Finnish names in
that book as well as the other names?
Sigvald
> No, Sigvald, You were concerned about *one*
> Scandinavian child, namely yourself!
Riddiculus!!!
Why would I be the only Norwegian +Danish owner of "Jeg Mikke Mus" / "Den
Store Mickey Mouse" who would have liked to see Swedish and Finnish names in
that book as well as the other names?
Sigvald
Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
DCML Digest, Vol 3, Issue 44
Message 483 -
2003-05-24 at 04:52:41
Martin Olsen <martin_olsen at post.tele.dk> wrote:
> To me, this statement implies that you are
> speaking on behalf of *all* Norwegian readers
> and that *you bet* that you are speaking on
> behalf of *all* Danish readers.
Even so, that was *not exactly* what I meant!
Sigvald
> To me, this statement implies that you are
> speaking on behalf of *all* Norwegian readers
> and that *you bet* that you are speaking on
> behalf of *all* Danish readers.
Even so, that was *not exactly* what I meant!
Sigvald
Arie Fachrisal
Sigvald + ad infinitum
Message 484 -
2003-05-24 at 08:30:28
> Oh - does that mean Stefan and Christina DID
> give you a reason to assume they support the
> attitudes behind leaving out Swedish names in
> a Norwegian book?
Sigvald:
"Ecactly - tehy did show the same entusiasm for "exotic" languages as I
guess
the editors of "Jeg, Mikke Mus" did."
I really cant follow ur logic of it. they showed some interest in the
foreign language, but does that automatically mean they (Stefan and
Christina) actually "support" the norway editors' acts to "leave behind" the
swedish names in a book published decades ago?
No offense but you really need to work out on improving ur logics.
>>> Well let me just tell all Swedes this: for
>>> Norwegian and I bet also Danish readers of
>>> any age, Asian "rubble" is definitely *not*
>>> as interesting as Swedish names!
I would definitely take that bet with you anytime (cause i'm kinda low on
cash and can use some easy money :)
As for new topic(s):
I've been wondering a while about some words that Barks used in his stories.
I recalled i read somewhere in the list (or was it somewhere else) months or
years ago that Barks created the phrase "Sue one for one's back teeth". I
have read most of Barks stories (not all ... yet) and have read some unusual
phrases, like "jeepers creepers" which later i found out as a phrase
"commonly"(?) used in 1950s in america. What i want to ask is whether or not
the phrase "ad infinitum" was created by Barks or was it also already used
before Barks used it. Well, reason i asked this cause i just recently read
an article in a recently published mag which used the "ad infinitum" phrase.
Keep On Quacking,
Arie Fachrisal
> give you a reason to assume they support the
> attitudes behind leaving out Swedish names in
> a Norwegian book?
Sigvald:
"Ecactly - tehy did show the same entusiasm for "exotic" languages as I
guess
the editors of "Jeg, Mikke Mus" did."
I really cant follow ur logic of it. they showed some interest in the
foreign language, but does that automatically mean they (Stefan and
Christina) actually "support" the norway editors' acts to "leave behind" the
swedish names in a book published decades ago?
No offense but you really need to work out on improving ur logics.
>>> Well let me just tell all Swedes this: for
>>> Norwegian and I bet also Danish readers of
>>> any age, Asian "rubble" is definitely *not*
>>> as interesting as Swedish names!
I would definitely take that bet with you anytime (cause i'm kinda low on
cash and can use some easy money :)
As for new topic(s):
I've been wondering a while about some words that Barks used in his stories.
I recalled i read somewhere in the list (or was it somewhere else) months or
years ago that Barks created the phrase "Sue one for one's back teeth". I
have read most of Barks stories (not all ... yet) and have read some unusual
phrases, like "jeepers creepers" which later i found out as a phrase
"commonly"(?) used in 1950s in america. What i want to ask is whether or not
the phrase "ad infinitum" was created by Barks or was it also already used
before Barks used it. Well, reason i asked this cause i just recently read
an article in a recently published mag which used the "ad infinitum" phrase.
Keep On Quacking,
Arie Fachrisal
Stefan Persson
behave!
Message 485 -
2003-05-24 at 11:58:40
Sigvald Gr?sfjeld jr. wrote:
> Well, yesterday I tried to start a tread about Disney comics in the Eastern
> block during the cold war. However so far there has been no response. I
> think that's a part of the problem here - non-offending stuff get less
> attention...
Besides, there are quite few members here from Eastern Europe to answer
your questions. There are some from Poland, but are there any other?
Stefan
> Well, yesterday I tried to start a tread about Disney comics in the Eastern
> block during the cold war. However so far there has been no response. I
> think that's a part of the problem here - non-offending stuff get less
> attention...
Besides, there are quite few members here from Eastern Europe to answer
your questions. There are some from Poland, but are there any other?
Stefan
Christina Hellström
Ad infinitum
Message 486 -
2003-05-24 at 12:07:22
> From: Arie Fachrisal
> whether or not
> the phrase "ad infinitum" was created by Barks or was it also already used
> before Barks used it. Well, reason i asked this cause i just recently read
> an article in a recently published mag which used the "ad
> infinitum" phrase.
"Ad infinitum" is a latin phrase meaning "to infinity", so it has been
around for quite some time. (I got my Latin interest from the 'Asterix'
comic. :)
Here in Finland there are a lot of sayings that, although not always
original creations by the translators, are common due to a large number of
kids reading the same Aku Ankka. Quite a number of them seems to me to be
from Barks' comics, which is interesting since they aren't the original
words but the translations, but I guess a strong story also makes the words
more memorable.
--
//Christina Hellstr?m
http://www.geocities.com/chellstr/
> whether or not
> the phrase "ad infinitum" was created by Barks or was it also already used
> before Barks used it. Well, reason i asked this cause i just recently read
> an article in a recently published mag which used the "ad
> infinitum" phrase.
"Ad infinitum" is a latin phrase meaning "to infinity", so it has been
around for quite some time. (I got my Latin interest from the 'Asterix'
comic. :)
Here in Finland there are a lot of sayings that, although not always
original creations by the translators, are common due to a large number of
kids reading the same Aku Ankka. Quite a number of them seems to me to be
from Barks' comics, which is interesting since they aren't the original
words but the translations, but I guess a strong story also makes the words
more memorable.
--
//Christina Hellstr?m
http://www.geocities.com/chellstr/
Angus McDuck
New email address
Message 487 -
2003-05-24 at 14:10:46
Hi everyone,
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Sigvald Grøsfjeld Jr.
(OT) Swedes and character names in strange languages
Message 488 -
2003-05-24 at 14:33:39
Christina Hellstr?m <chellstr at netsonic.fi> wrote:
> And your name look Swedish, just like
> Nordenski?ld who is mentioned in "The
> Crown of The Crusader Kings".
>
> Our names look Swedish because they are
> Swedish, meaning the language not the country.
I guess those names are Swedish because some of your ancestors moved to
Finland a long time ago. However AFAIK unlike many other minorities around
the world (Cyprus, etc.) you see yourselves as Finns not as Swedes and is
thus not demanding your own state, etc. Thus there is no etnic conflicts in
Finland as is known from other places in he world. I guess explanations for
that is that you share the same alphabeth, the same religious faith, etc.
and even that both languages are understood by most of the population.
Sigvald :-)
> And your name look Swedish, just like
> Nordenski?ld who is mentioned in "The
> Crown of The Crusader Kings".
>
> Our names look Swedish because they are
> Swedish, meaning the language not the country.
I guess those names are Swedish because some of your ancestors moved to
Finland a long time ago. However AFAIK unlike many other minorities around
the world (Cyprus, etc.) you see yourselves as Finns not as Swedes and is
thus not demanding your own state, etc. Thus there is no etnic conflicts in
Finland as is known from other places in he world. I guess explanations for
that is that you share the same alphabeth, the same religious faith, etc.
and even that both languages are understood by most of the population.
Sigvald :-)
Kai Saarto
Interview with Alberto Becattini
Message 489 -
2003-05-24 at 15:14:04
Warning! Some shameless self-promotion follows:
For those who like Don Rosa's stories, there's an interview about the
Italian Don Rosa biography available at DuckMaster-website.
Here's the direct link:
http://www.perunamaa.net/donrosa/interview_becattini.shtml
--
- Kai Saarto
http://www.perunamaa.net/donrosa
For those who like Don Rosa's stories, there's an interview about the
Italian Don Rosa biography available at DuckMaster-website.
Here's the direct link:
http://www.perunamaa.net/donrosa/interview_becattini.shtml
--
- Kai Saarto
http://www.perunamaa.net/donrosa
Gary Leach
DCML Digest, Vol 3, Issue 44
Message 490 -
2003-05-24 at 18:47:05
S?ren:
> Apparently you, Sigvald, fell for it. I can surely see why. Sorting
> historical events into categories is both entertaining and helpful if
> you wish to get an overview of a complex area--and Disney comics is
> certainly one such.
Sigvald seems - to me, and I speak only of me, let me be precise about
that - to be the kind of reader who finds in Don Rosa's tales the
answer to a craving for organization and continuity in a
long-disorganized fictional arena. I'm not sure he "fell" for anything
- he's simply found satisfaction, and has embraced it. He could stand
to put things in better perspective, if his posts are any indication,
but maybe that's what he's trying to do - it can be a messy and awkward
process, especially when some of it is conducted in public.
And Don certainly has never gone out to fool anyone about history or
anything else - that's an absurd notion on the very face of it.
Gary
> Apparently you, Sigvald, fell for it. I can surely see why. Sorting
> historical events into categories is both entertaining and helpful if
> you wish to get an overview of a complex area--and Disney comics is
> certainly one such.
Sigvald seems - to me, and I speak only of me, let me be precise about
that - to be the kind of reader who finds in Don Rosa's tales the
answer to a craving for organization and continuity in a
long-disorganized fictional arena. I'm not sure he "fell" for anything
- he's simply found satisfaction, and has embraced it. He could stand
to put things in better perspective, if his posts are any indication,
but maybe that's what he's trying to do - it can be a messy and awkward
process, especially when some of it is conducted in public.
And Don certainly has never gone out to fool anyone about history or
anything else - that's an absurd notion on the very face of it.
Gary
Lars Jensen
Behave!
Message 491 -
2003-05-24 at 20:03:49
Theresa Wiegert wrote:
> Really, Lars Jensen, Olaf, Sigvald...
>
> I'd like to see more reasoning like what Rob Klein just wrote - (kind,
> analysing, intelligent), less of yours (Ma, he hit me! But HE said...
> but he said that first! nag, moan...). Heh, ok, so now I'm doing the
> same...
Well, a quick check tells me I've written 18 out of the 489 messages
that have been posted on the DCML since May 1st, so I'm not sure what I
have done to deserve being singled out. And I'm not sure complaining
about Sigvald (in my opinion) speaking on my behalf and (in my opinion)
offending Swedes (and Christina) equals "Ma, he hit me! Nag, moan." Yes,
I could've cast down my eyes and accepted Sigvald's original posting as
the words of God, but I didn't. I dislike generalisations (especially
when they include me) and I dislike people being slammed because of
their nationality. Am I tough on Sigvald? Somewhat, yes, but only
because I know he can take it. Sigvald has strong opinions and is able
to take strong criticism for them.
Nevertheless, I agree with you: There are far too many negative, boring
and off-topic postings on the DCML these days. And yes, somebody
*should* make some positive, interesting and on-topic ones. It won't be
me, though. I am far too busy these days to start up any new
discussions. If somebody else starts up a new thread, and I believe I
have something to contribute, I may join in, though.
Back to work...
Lars
P.S: And as far as I'm concerned, the "Asian alphabets are rubble"
discussion is over. It has become increasingly off-topic, and I hope
everybody else feels the same way and drops this line of discussion.
> Really, Lars Jensen, Olaf, Sigvald...
>
> I'd like to see more reasoning like what Rob Klein just wrote - (kind,
> analysing, intelligent), less of yours (Ma, he hit me! But HE said...
> but he said that first! nag, moan...). Heh, ok, so now I'm doing the
> same...
Well, a quick check tells me I've written 18 out of the 489 messages
that have been posted on the DCML since May 1st, so I'm not sure what I
have done to deserve being singled out. And I'm not sure complaining
about Sigvald (in my opinion) speaking on my behalf and (in my opinion)
offending Swedes (and Christina) equals "Ma, he hit me! Nag, moan." Yes,
I could've cast down my eyes and accepted Sigvald's original posting as
the words of God, but I didn't. I dislike generalisations (especially
when they include me) and I dislike people being slammed because of
their nationality. Am I tough on Sigvald? Somewhat, yes, but only
because I know he can take it. Sigvald has strong opinions and is able
to take strong criticism for them.
Nevertheless, I agree with you: There are far too many negative, boring
and off-topic postings on the DCML these days. And yes, somebody
*should* make some positive, interesting and on-topic ones. It won't be
me, though. I am far too busy these days to start up any new
discussions. If somebody else starts up a new thread, and I believe I
have something to contribute, I may join in, though.
Back to work...
Lars
P.S: And as far as I'm concerned, the "Asian alphabets are rubble"
discussion is over. It has become increasingly off-topic, and I hope
everybody else feels the same way and drops this line of discussion.
Søren Krarup Olesen
Hard books
Message 492 -
2003-05-24 at 20:51:21
GARY + SIGVALD + NILS:
> > Apparently you, Sigvald, fell for it. I can surely see why. Sorting
> > historical events into categories is both entertaining and helpful
> > if you wish to get an overview of a complex area--and Disney comics
> > is certainly one such.
> And Don certainly has never gone out to fool anyone about history or
> anything else - that's an absurd notion on the very face of it.
And S?ren is certainly not claiming that Don did such a thing.
I wrote (in case you forgot):
"It [LO$] was written and presented as historical facts, and indeed it
works and is convincing. [blablablah]. Beware, I don't necessarily find
Italian more funnier or more thoughtful (well...hmmm :-) than Rosa, but
at least it's nice to feel and read those stories and silently
conclude, that they are not all based on some extremely strict recipe."
I'm still wondering why critics (and do I dare add "fair critics") are
taken this personal. Why so defensive all the time, when there is no
attack going on--I don't get it...
We have read over and over again about "offending X's name and
reputation" to an almost rediculous degree. And now that Sigvald even
brings the Bible itself into question, this surely clashes with my
ideas of this mailing list. I thought it was meant for sharing views
freely without the risk of getting slapped with a "book" by
missionaires.
Many views have been posted here, only for a few seconds later being
rejected as "Not true!" "Incorrect" etc. I would have expected the more
polite "I don't thinkg so..." "Perhaps you are wrong..." but you see,
to missionaires there is nothing to debate; there is only right and
wrong, white and black, Latin and "rubble" symbols only of interest to
people far far away from the Western civilization.
As for Don's humour and all that, I fully agree with Nils. "A matter of
some gravity" really made me laugh, but you know, I *was* in fact
addressing LO$ only, which BTW does have its great moments, no doubt.
Not enough for me to feel really interested in the book, but that's
just me.
Have any of you ever heard or read messages here, that rejects the
events in LO$ or Barksian canon facts, because they didn't fit the
Italian "version"/"universe"? Probably not. Do we hear the Egmont
writers complaining that Uncle Scrooge couldn't possibly have died in
1960-whatever? I don't think so. No, dear readers, it's *always* the
other way around.
I believe reading Disney comics is about enjoying, not knowing. Please
correct me, if I am wrong.
S?ren
> > Apparently you, Sigvald, fell for it. I can surely see why. Sorting
> > historical events into categories is both entertaining and helpful
> > if you wish to get an overview of a complex area--and Disney comics
> > is certainly one such.
> And Don certainly has never gone out to fool anyone about history or
> anything else - that's an absurd notion on the very face of it.
And S?ren is certainly not claiming that Don did such a thing.
I wrote (in case you forgot):
"It [LO$] was written and presented as historical facts, and indeed it
works and is convincing. [blablablah]. Beware, I don't necessarily find
Italian more funnier or more thoughtful (well...hmmm :-) than Rosa, but
at least it's nice to feel and read those stories and silently
conclude, that they are not all based on some extremely strict recipe."
I'm still wondering why critics (and do I dare add "fair critics") are
taken this personal. Why so defensive all the time, when there is no
attack going on--I don't get it...
We have read over and over again about "offending X's name and
reputation" to an almost rediculous degree. And now that Sigvald even
brings the Bible itself into question, this surely clashes with my
ideas of this mailing list. I thought it was meant for sharing views
freely without the risk of getting slapped with a "book" by
missionaires.
Many views have been posted here, only for a few seconds later being
rejected as "Not true!" "Incorrect" etc. I would have expected the more
polite "I don't thinkg so..." "Perhaps you are wrong..." but you see,
to missionaires there is nothing to debate; there is only right and
wrong, white and black, Latin and "rubble" symbols only of interest to
people far far away from the Western civilization.
As for Don's humour and all that, I fully agree with Nils. "A matter of
some gravity" really made me laugh, but you know, I *was* in fact
addressing LO$ only, which BTW does have its great moments, no doubt.
Not enough for me to feel really interested in the book, but that's
just me.
Have any of you ever heard or read messages here, that rejects the
events in LO$ or Barksian canon facts, because they didn't fit the
Italian "version"/"universe"? Probably not. Do we hear the Egmont
writers complaining that Uncle Scrooge couldn't possibly have died in
1960-whatever? I don't think so. No, dear readers, it's *always* the
other way around.
I believe reading Disney comics is about enjoying, not knowing. Please
correct me, if I am wrong.
S?ren
Rob Klein
Barks Phrases
Message 493 -
2003-05-24 at 20:55:56
Most of the old-fashioned sounding phrases Carl Barks used were not of his
invention. Some were. Those that were, were often clever and funny variants of
same. For example: "Oh, my stars!", and "Ye cats!" were sayings that were
around long before Barks came into the World. However, he added clever
embellishments to them, forming: "Oh my stars and garters!", and "Ye cats, and
little fishes!" Some of those old-fashioned sayings that he used "as is"
(without adding embellishments) have dropped out of useage by modern people
(except old fogies like me). But, whole new generations of Barks fans are now
using them, keeping them alive! He has also started a whole new group of
sayings that would make sense only to "Duck People", such as all those that
mention "pinfeathers".
Christina.....do you by any chance live in The Aaland Islands (Ahvenanmaa)? If
not, then Turku Pori? Can you trace your family history back to the Swedish
colonists?
Once again, I cannot fight off the urge to be a Sigvald Topic Spammer>
Aaaarrrggghh! I hope in future I will have the strength to resist.
Nevertheless...For Sigvald:
The Jeg Mikke Mus book, Ik Donald Duck, and the like, were all patternd after
Mondadori's original Italian books. The editorial staffs in the countries
reprinting, did not want to change the original contents by having to do a lot
of new work. Their project budgets, and production schedules would not have
allowed that. To have the list of Disney character names change to suit
the "interests" of each and every of the various nationalities whose nations'
Disney office or franchise published the book, would have been an enormous
task. The message of the characters' names page was that Disney characters are
known in many countries around the world, with varying cultures. Showing the
different alphabet scripts makes that point clearer. Almost everyone I know
got that point, and as a child, would have been more interested in seeing the
exotic scripts, than seeing the neighbouring country's different names in a
script they could understand.
Again, I say,.... had I lived in Norway as a child, and I didn't have access to
magazine shops, antikvariats and book stores in Oslo (where I have upon EVERY
visit seen a few Danish AND Swedish Disney weeklies in at least one shop); I
would have written to the Norwegian Editor's office. I am sure that they would
have had someone in the office get the information back to you. I have been
inside their offices, and have noticed that THAT particular information is
available there at any time (at least for all but the obsure characters). If
they would not want to delegate to the proper person within their offices, and
heor she wouldn't want to take the time to do it (which is likely), they would
likely refer your question on to the Danish office (where that information is
readily available. I am confident that you would have received the information
you requested 9atm least for the main characters). But, had you been provided
with those names for the neighbouring nations, INSTEAD of those exotic nations,
and you inquired about information on THE LATTER, instead; you would never have
seen the names of characters from the "exotic lands" in ANY form.
Rob Klein
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invention. Some were. Those that were, were often clever and funny variants of
same. For example: "Oh, my stars!", and "Ye cats!" were sayings that were
around long before Barks came into the World. However, he added clever
embellishments to them, forming: "Oh my stars and garters!", and "Ye cats, and
little fishes!" Some of those old-fashioned sayings that he used "as is"
(without adding embellishments) have dropped out of useage by modern people
(except old fogies like me). But, whole new generations of Barks fans are now
using them, keeping them alive! He has also started a whole new group of
sayings that would make sense only to "Duck People", such as all those that
mention "pinfeathers".
Christina.....do you by any chance live in The Aaland Islands (Ahvenanmaa)? If
not, then Turku Pori? Can you trace your family history back to the Swedish
colonists?
Once again, I cannot fight off the urge to be a Sigvald Topic Spammer>
Aaaarrrggghh! I hope in future I will have the strength to resist.
Nevertheless...For Sigvald:
The Jeg Mikke Mus book, Ik Donald Duck, and the like, were all patternd after
Mondadori's original Italian books. The editorial staffs in the countries
reprinting, did not want to change the original contents by having to do a lot
of new work. Their project budgets, and production schedules would not have
allowed that. To have the list of Disney character names change to suit
the "interests" of each and every of the various nationalities whose nations'
Disney office or franchise published the book, would have been an enormous
task. The message of the characters' names page was that Disney characters are
known in many countries around the world, with varying cultures. Showing the
different alphabet scripts makes that point clearer. Almost everyone I know
got that point, and as a child, would have been more interested in seeing the
exotic scripts, than seeing the neighbouring country's different names in a
script they could understand.
Again, I say,.... had I lived in Norway as a child, and I didn't have access to
magazine shops, antikvariats and book stores in Oslo (where I have upon EVERY
visit seen a few Danish AND Swedish Disney weeklies in at least one shop); I
would have written to the Norwegian Editor's office. I am sure that they would
have had someone in the office get the information back to you. I have been
inside their offices, and have noticed that THAT particular information is
available there at any time (at least for all but the obsure characters). If
they would not want to delegate to the proper person within their offices, and
heor she wouldn't want to take the time to do it (which is likely), they would
likely refer your question on to the Danish office (where that information is
readily available. I am confident that you would have received the information
you requested 9atm least for the main characters). But, had you been provided
with those names for the neighbouring nations, INSTEAD of those exotic nations,
and you inquired about information on THE LATTER, instead; you would never have
seen the names of characters from the "exotic lands" in ANY form.
Rob Klein
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Mateusz Lis
Disney comics in the Eastern block during the cold war
Message 494 -
2003-05-24 at 21:00:50
Sigvald:
> In a previous thread Lars Jensen mentioned the old "Eastern block". So my
> question here is: how was the situation for Disney comics in the "Eastern
> block" during the cold war? I guess this is a topic where our
> Polish friend Maciek can enlighten us.
Althought I'm not Maciek, I think I can answer this question.
We, Poles, didn't have any Disney (and any American) comics during the cold
war. The first issue of monthly "Mickey Mouse" was published in the winter
of 1990, shortly before the end of the conflict between USSR & USA.
Hovewer, some Mickey Mouse stories were published after II World War, but
they were written and drown by Poles and any of Disney's copyright weren't
respected.
BTW: the end of the school is coming on, so I think I'd be more active. And
you won't forget me :-)
Best wishes,
mateusz lis
> In a previous thread Lars Jensen mentioned the old "Eastern block". So my
> question here is: how was the situation for Disney comics in the "Eastern
> block" during the cold war? I guess this is a topic where our
> Polish friend Maciek can enlighten us.
Althought I'm not Maciek, I think I can answer this question.
We, Poles, didn't have any Disney (and any American) comics during the cold
war. The first issue of monthly "Mickey Mouse" was published in the winter
of 1990, shortly before the end of the conflict between USSR & USA.
Hovewer, some Mickey Mouse stories were published after II World War, but
they were written and drown by Poles and any of Disney's copyright weren't
respected.
BTW: the end of the school is coming on, so I think I'd be more active. And
you won't forget me :-)
Best wishes,
mateusz lis
Lunnan & Hjort
The end of European civilisation (as we know it)
Message 495 -
2003-05-24 at 21:26:33
I declare "the end of civilisation", even when it here merely
concerns the arguably smallest of the world's five dominant
domains, namely Europe, as an on-topic theme, and am
therefore abstaining from the "(OT)" sign on this occasion.
And the End is Nigh, friends. I hope there will be violent
protests, social revolts and large demonstrations, with bishops
leading seas of torches to the nearest parliament or television
station.
What is at stake? Civilisation, cheating, doping, the
disillusionment of illusions, der Untergang des Abenlandes,
der ?bergang des Morgenlandes, der Zwischengang des
Unterbewusstseins, the collective loss of our sacred human artistic
personal innocence, the asphyxation of our most important
instrument in life, namely our sacrosant inner voice.
Can we stilll save Europe? No. It has been decided, by a
couple of penstrokes and nods of heads, decided upon after
some budget analysis. We can only lament the result, and apply
for cultural asylum in Iraque or Brutopia. Where is the police
when we need them? Did we dissolve the Soviet Union for this?
There have been doping in sport and sacrilegious acts aganst
comic book artwork, and we rage against it. Ine Wigern?s drinks
too much coffee, there was something extra in Johann Muehlegg's
pasta, and Mondadori published "Lost in the Andes" without
the final page. But the people involved might nevertheless be
respected for having done their best; they didn't attack the myths
themselves, they didn't try to destroy the illusion that we wish to
buy, they didn't bomb the bridge they were using themselves,
per se.
But today, this Saturday, this is what happens. The Powers of Europe
have nodded and thrown their children out with the bathwater
and have shot themselves in their left feet. A song isn't a song
anymore. Riga, the capital of a Soviet Republic (at least it was
the last time I was there), hosts the Eurovision Song Contest.
It is *bad enough* that Ukraina and Slovenia are allowed to sing
*in English* (which is to say, American), and Poland in German,
without forcing e.g. England to sing in Slovak (which would have
been interesting); these are scandals worthy of separate
demonstrations and the toppling of governments. But the *real crime*
instigated against humankind (well, admittedly only the silly European
part of it) is that *all the music is canned*, for the first time in
European History. No instruments, no real conductor, no real
violinists or keyboardists or engineers of synthetic quasi-live sound
production. All instrumental parts have been pre-recorded and
transcribed onto DAT-disquettes as strings of inhuman 0-s and 1-s.
Only the singers will actually (sort of) sing. Their "backing" (bah!)
is canned, pre-made, stored, dead, dodo gravis, non-vivo.
Riga, Latvia, Baltikum, the home city of Mariss Jansons and
Alfons Berzins, how could you? Why beholdest thou the beam that is
in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the mote that is in thine own
eye? This would not have happened in the times of the Soviet Union
or in Mediaeval England or at the Colosseum in Acient Rome.
The Grand Prix has become the Eurotrash Sad Context. Glorious
hopes of spirit and cultural exchange and human artistic expression
to foster and enforce peace amongst us have been destroyed and
dusted, reduced to a tragic farce of a Karaoke party.
Professor Nils Lid Hjort
The Norwegian Academy of Science and Letters
Division of Real Fights Against Destruction of Human Spirit
Subdivision of Where is the Police when we Need Them
concerns the arguably smallest of the world's five dominant
domains, namely Europe, as an on-topic theme, and am
therefore abstaining from the "(OT)" sign on this occasion.
And the End is Nigh, friends. I hope there will be violent
protests, social revolts and large demonstrations, with bishops
leading seas of torches to the nearest parliament or television
station.
What is at stake? Civilisation, cheating, doping, the
disillusionment of illusions, der Untergang des Abenlandes,
der ?bergang des Morgenlandes, der Zwischengang des
Unterbewusstseins, the collective loss of our sacred human artistic
personal innocence, the asphyxation of our most important
instrument in life, namely our sacrosant inner voice.
Can we stilll save Europe? No. It has been decided, by a
couple of penstrokes and nods of heads, decided upon after
some budget analysis. We can only lament the result, and apply
for cultural asylum in Iraque or Brutopia. Where is the police
when we need them? Did we dissolve the Soviet Union for this?
There have been doping in sport and sacrilegious acts aganst
comic book artwork, and we rage against it. Ine Wigern?s drinks
too much coffee, there was something extra in Johann Muehlegg's
pasta, and Mondadori published "Lost in the Andes" without
the final page. But the people involved might nevertheless be
respected for having done their best; they didn't attack the myths
themselves, they didn't try to destroy the illusion that we wish to
buy, they didn't bomb the bridge they were using themselves,
per se.
But today, this Saturday, this is what happens. The Powers of Europe
have nodded and thrown their children out with the bathwater
and have shot themselves in their left feet. A song isn't a song
anymore. Riga, the capital of a Soviet Republic (at least it was
the last time I was there), hosts the Eurovision Song Contest.
It is *bad enough* that Ukraina and Slovenia are allowed to sing
*in English* (which is to say, American), and Poland in German,
without forcing e.g. England to sing in Slovak (which would have
been interesting); these are scandals worthy of separate
demonstrations and the toppling of governments. But the *real crime*
instigated against humankind (well, admittedly only the silly European
part of it) is that *all the music is canned*, for the first time in
European History. No instruments, no real conductor, no real
violinists or keyboardists or engineers of synthetic quasi-live sound
production. All instrumental parts have been pre-recorded and
transcribed onto DAT-disquettes as strings of inhuman 0-s and 1-s.
Only the singers will actually (sort of) sing. Their "backing" (bah!)
is canned, pre-made, stored, dead, dodo gravis, non-vivo.
Riga, Latvia, Baltikum, the home city of Mariss Jansons and
Alfons Berzins, how could you? Why beholdest thou the beam that is
in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the mote that is in thine own
eye? This would not have happened in the times of the Soviet Union
or in Mediaeval England or at the Colosseum in Acient Rome.
The Grand Prix has become the Eurotrash Sad Context. Glorious
hopes of spirit and cultural exchange and human artistic expression
to foster and enforce peace amongst us have been destroyed and
dusted, reduced to a tragic farce of a Karaoke party.
Professor Nils Lid Hjort
The Norwegian Academy of Science and Letters
Division of Real Fights Against Destruction of Human Spirit
Subdivision of Where is the Police when we Need Them