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I'm gona give full review as soon the story will get to the last part [unless your not planing to ever finish it ;) ]

The name "Choco" sound's like the lost Marx Brother...

BTW This is in now my canon :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3TnGRSsC2g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da5TAqOEOa0

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Ok... this and Rosa..

If all is canon, then nothing is canon [shrug].

PART 8

Within the following decade,most of our heroes settled with some mate.
In 1958,Gyro fell in love with a scientist and they got married the same year.They had three brilliant children.The first one was born in 1959 and won
his first Nobel in 1967!He beat his father by a margin of one year,since Gyro had had to wait until his 9 to win his first Nobel!
Donald and Daisy finally got married in 1959.Neither of the two wanted a lot of kids,after what they'd gone through with their respective nephews.
Therefore,they only had one offspring,who was born in 1960.But,since their child is insignificant to the plot,i won't bother giving him/her an identity.
The day Donald/Daisy got married,Gladstone was frustrated for never having been able to steal Daisy from his cousin.But,a few days later,he fell in
love with a worker at one of his shops and forgot about Daisy.Gladstone and the unidentified woman got married in 1961.
In 1962,Arsin Lupene met a woman who made him reconsider his theories about the opposite sex(he had been a playboy up to that point).After that,
he wanted to live a calmer life.So,Scrooge was once more left alone.
By 1967,Hewe,Lewe and Dewe have all three got engaged(Hewe still with Cooky),but none of them is married yet.All three now work at Scrooge's
business,posessing high ranks,not just because they're Scrooge's nephews,but because they're skilled and educated.
In 1966,Matilda McDuck died,at the age of 97.

Duckburg,1967.
Scrooge is sitting in his office,reading a piece of paper,with his hands trembling by his old age.Up to 1965,his age had never caused him any
physical problems.Maybe it was his fierce desire for life,maybe it also helped that he had once drunk from the Fountain of Youth.But,nobody lives
forever.Alas,the last two years,his body had rapidly deteriorated.He's now full of wrinkles,not just on his face,but also on his hands and everywhere
else.This time,the wrinkles are not just a psychological effect,like in 1947.They're real physical symptoms of being a centerian.His cane,which used to
be just an element of style,is now absolutely neccessary to him,since he can't walk at all without it.
The door opens and Hortense enters.As opposed to her brother,she can walk on her own,since she's only at the ''tender'' age of 90.
Hortense-Give it up Scrooge.You should've retired years ago.Look at yourself.You can barely hold a piece of paper.
Scrooge growls instead of answering,trying to look frightening,as he was decades ago,instead of what he really is,a near death man.
Hortense-What are you reading anyway?
Scrooge-A report.It looks like my men spotted an island that doesn't exist in any registered world maps.There is no way i'll miss the chance to be the
first one to explore it.
Hortense-ARE YOU INSANE?You can't even go for a walk in the park!
Scrooge-SHUT UP.You're not my guardian.As long as i breath,i'll be living the way i like.
Scrooge is trying to sound confident,but he actually knows this is going to be his last adventure.He can feel his end approaching.And he wants to
enjoy that last quest of his to the fullest.

The ship throws its anchor a few metres away from the island.
Scrooge-Stay here.I'll go alone.
Captain-But,mr McDuck,can you row the boat?
Scrooge-DO AS I SAID.
Despite it's only a few metres,the old and weak Scrooge has to row for almost an hour to reach the land.Finally,he starts walking to the depths of the
unknown island.He feels more and more tired.
Scrooge(thinking)-No,i won't stop.I'll die doing the thing that fulfills me.
Scrooge has gone far in the jungle and he's at his limit.He knows he's going to pass away,he knows it's only a matter of minutes.Suddenly,when he's
about to collapse,he receives a surprise that keeps him on his feet.He sees someone in front of him.
Scrooge-YOU.
Who did Scrooge see?You'll never guess.Don't you dare miss the next and final chapter,the conclusion of the legend.

Quote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: MorequackIf all is canon, then nothing is canon [shrug].
It's the opposite, actually. If all is canon, then everything is canon.
No, it's: If Everything is Art, Then Nothing is Art.

Or: If Everything is Canon, Then Nothing is Canon.

Canon in this case comes from the Greek word for RULER or STANDARD, as in something that can be measured or placed in an logical order. It all can't be canon if elements contradict themselves and cannot be put in order. Unless you agree to exist in a bizarro world where everything goes; in which case there is no canon and you have chaos.

Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxHe had promised to reveal the secret of HD&L's father, and of their parents' ultimate fate, when "we least expected it". Now that he's retired, would he be willing to share what he had planned, I wonder? In fact, he actually wanted to place clues in "Return to Xanadu"; I've never learned what those clues would have been. Does anyone know?
I recall he was writng on Italian Forum "Papersera" (where he actually writes as a member) abou it.

It's hard to find now (the threat is 271 pages), but It's somewhere in this threat :
http://www.papersera.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1069256543/0 [Don't worry if you don't speak Italian, Don Rosa posts are all in English]

From what I remember he wrote the usual - that he had the idea that Della and her husband where explorers (obviously Junior Woodchucks as well) and left HD&L with Donald "just for two weeks" as they wet for some expedition but never came back and he wanted to do a story where HD&L go on a search to find them lost in some ancient lost world...

...HOWEVER, what's more important he told that the idea never went beyond few notes he made. He quickly realise that it would be imposible without making it either to sad for kids or screwing up the entire duck univers (if at the end HD&L parents return home they woudn't be with Donald anymore) I still think he could find a way if he tried...

It's odd... As a kid I never wonder where HD&L parents went, but when I read "Life and times..." last chapter I asume they where dead. I like the fact that that Rosa actually did refrence few time that they had parents. Maybe some artist one day wlll make a bigger deal out of that...

After all, they had no problem bringing up Morty and Ferdie's mother
http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Amelia_Fieldmouse

Baar Baar Jinx,
On your comments on my personal canon:

I have explained on another thread why I believe that it??s not unreasonable to think that Matilda has been alive all these years even though we haven??t seen or heard of her. Indeed, that??s what Rosa had to convince his editors of in order to use her in A Letter from Home: ??I argued at least for Matilda [he had wanted to use Matilda and Hortense] since she was nobody??s mother and had every right to disappear for 25-30 years if she wanted to." (DCML 3/1/2003) Of course, you also have every right to believe that she is long dead.

I agree that Donald??s parents are dead, I just don??t think (not that you??re saying this) that they need to have died before Donald and Della grew up. (Unless one is committed to the European theory that Donald was brought up by Grandma Duck??but then you have to decide who/where HD&L??s mother was. The European theory is that she was Donald??s cousin, not his sister.) They just need to have died before the narrative present of our stories in which Donald is an adult.

You are perfectly right in what you say about Chip and Dale. I certainly wouldn??t argue that anyone else should include C&D in their own Duckworld. It??s simply that they were present in the neighborhood of Duckburg (and occasionally interacting with Donald) in stories I *liked* as a child, so they??re just there in the forest of my mental Duckburg, I can??t evict them. You??re right that they??re in-between on the anthropomorphic scale. While Barks??s Bolivar and General Snozzie do not speak or think in words, they are unusually smart; GeoX mentioned the story where Bolivar wins at chess. And other authors?? non-humanified animal characters did either think (Tabby) or speak (a couple of parrots I could name) in words.

But while I accept the logic of your comparison between C&D and the Cinderella mice in terms of the anthropomorphic scale, I must protest that Gus & Jaq are problematic in another way: they are unfunny, uncute, unlikeable, and generally just godawful. And annoying??have I said annoying?

On Mim and Magica: you would find Rosa??s comments on DCML on the difference between a witch and a sorceress interesting. A witch is a supernatural personage with inherent magical powers. A sorceress is a human who has learned how to make magic with tools and spells, a sort of alternate science or mechanics. Rosa might not have invented a sorceress for his Duckburg, but given that Barks had done so, he certainly enjoyed using her. He would not want a witch in Duckburg, because he would think that would violate the rules in a Barks-inspired world. (But ghosts are apparently OK!) Barks did usually avoid outright supernatural characters??his stories debunked ghosts, and he only used the witch in The Golden Christmas Tree under editorial duress. Rosa??s world is generally, as you say, ??scientific and historical," but that doesn??t prevent him from introducing some weird stuff. Often that takes the shape of something Gyro invents, or something Magica whips up, that would not exist in the natural world (Omnisolve, a gravity-reorientation spell), but which once enacted plays out strictly according to physical laws. Rosa tends to stick more to ??realism" in the stories that touch on Scrooge??s family background.

What Mim added for me as a girl-child was a female character who was not defined in relation to more central male characters, who had goals of her own as well as nifty powers, and who was often happy with the way things turned out (unlike Magica!). Barks??s Duckburg was a very male-centric world. It meant a great deal to me to have this happy, powerful, independent woman with strong self-esteem. She was refreshingly independent of societal standards of appearance (a *huge* thing in the lives of girls/women) and of niceness?¦but she was not (in the stories I liked) evil or a villain. Just her own person. Fundamentally decent, but different, and proud of her difference. As David Gerstein put it: ??She??s the Magnificent, Marvelous, Mad Madam Mim, dammit!" I read all the time in childhood, and didn??t find female characters like that even in books. Nowadays you can find such female characters in children??s or YA literature, but not so much in the 1960??s.

I didn??t know about Belle Duck until Lars Jensen mentioned her on this forum, and I sought out stories featuring her, none of which are published in English. She turns up in present-day Duckburg as an old-but-active woman, with the backstory that she and Scrooge dated in his riverboat days. He has a residual fondness for her, which means she can sometimes get him to go along with her plans. She is a competent riverboat captain herself, and her aims and wishes drive the story plots. Her attitude towards money is that it??s good to have because it enables you to throw a really good party.

Quote from user: MorequackQuote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: MorequackIf all is canon, then nothing is canon [shrug].
It's the opposite, actually. If all is canon, then everything is canon.
No, it's: If Everything is Art, Then Nothing is Art.

Or: If Everything is Canon, Then Nothing is Canon.

Canon in this case comes from the Greek word for RULER or STANDARD, as in something that can be measured or placed in an logical order. It all can't be canon if elements contradict themselves and cannot be put in order. Unless you agree to exist in a bizarro world where everything goes; in which case there is no canon and you have chaos.
I agree with this. I think that at some point, a Duck fan has to decide which of two conflicting versions of events he/she prefers and would choose to use if he/she were writing/editing Duck comics. This doesn't mean refusing to read, enjoy or critique stories with alternate versions of events or original characters, but surely one can state that they find one narrative more satisfying than the other? For example, do you prefer the idea that the nephews live with Scrooge or with Donald? Or that Scrooge has a brother named Gideon, or he only has two sisters? Or that Matilda McDuck is still alive or not? I think that taking the position that everything that anyone has ever written has equal weightage, even in your own estimation, is akin to saying that everyone gets a trophy.

Quote from user: Mr. MAfter all, they had no problem bringing up Morty and Ferdie's mother .
That was easier to do, since Morty and Ferdie rarely appear in Mickey stories, and it's easy to believe that they just visit him (rather than live with him). Donald, on the other hand, is clearly the primary caregiver for HD&L. It's impossible to suddenly bring their parents back and expect it to seamlessly merge with established storylines.

On this subject, I always found it a little odd that Mickey's sister seems more anthrompomorphized physically than Mickey himself, being taller with a more humanoid body. It's true that making female funny animal characters more physically humanoid than their male counterparts is a common convention, but frankly, Minnie looks more like Mickey's sister than his own sister does. I would have liked a better design for this character. Also, hasn't Morty and Ferdie's last name always been "Mouse"? Are they going by their mother's maiden name for some reason?

Quote from user: Roger NorthThat story was a little disturbing especially at the end where the nephews give Magica Scrooge's Number One Dime. I know Scrooge died but it is still a little disturbing. Wouldn't Scrooge's Number One Dime loose it's power if he died? I think that would make the dime useless to Magica.
If I remember correctly, the coins Magica covets get their power from having been owned and touched by the richest men in the world (in "The Midas Touch", Magica is collecting coins from many successful individuals, not just Scrooge. She has already procured all the others, so all she needs is a coin from Scrooge. While that plot point was not emphasized in subsequent stories, I don't know that it is contradicted). So I don't think Scrooge's death would change her ability to benefit from his Number One Dime. That said, you bring up an interesting point. I always thought Scrooge's life would be so much easier if he and Magica could have come to an understanding; since Scrooge is so old and Magica so young, couldn't she just leave him alone if he promises to bequeath the dime to her?

I think Roger North has a good point on whether the dime would work for Magica after Scrooge's death. We have seen in "A Little Something Special" that it *doesn't* work for her if Scrooge is no longer a rich man when she gets it--even though he was the richest during many of the years that he fondled the dime. So does that mean it would only work for her if she melts it to make the amulet while Scrooge is still the world's richest living man?
Also, if the dime would work for her after Scrooge's death, that brings up the disturbing question of whether she has ever considered bumping Scrooge off in order to get the dime. Places We Don't Go in Disney Comics.