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Per Starback replied:

> The very early [Bad Wolf] stuff was by Carl Buettner, who worked at Western
> mostly as an editor or art director or something like that, but who
> also did some stories himself.

You called him Carl *Von* Buettner in the Gladstone Digest list, if I'm
not mistaken.
Is this his 'real' name?

--Harry.

Carl (Von) Buettner
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
me> (...) Carl Buettner (...)
Harry> You called him Carl *Von* Buettner in the Gladstone Digest
Harry> list, if I'm not mistaken.
Harry> Is this his 'real' name?

In most places I've seen his name it's been Carl Von Buettner, but in
Becattini's "Disney Index" he's called just Carl Buettner, even if it
says his full name was with a Von. I guess he didn't use the Von of
his name. Actually it says "nee Carl Von Buettner" in the book, but
that's an English error, isn't it? At least I though nee was only
used for "the name you're born with" for people (read women) who
changed their last name when they married? In Becattini's book there
are things like "Jack Hannah, nee John Frederick Hannah".

The Duckburg Times
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Thanks to Wilmer Rivers for the address. I guess I will write Dana
Gabbard (if he's still the editor) and ask about it. I had a
subscription of it before, but I guess it's not valid anymore. As
this was #24/25, and the last issue I have is #22 --- does anyone know
what's in #23?

The Phantom Blot
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rich> One thing it explained was that the Phantom Blot actually does
Rich> appear in one episode (and Per & I thought he hadn't).

OK, I guess the has-only-appeared-in-comics mark for him in your list
should go away then. It's funny how DuckTales has used so many Disney
*comics* characters --- before that the characters always moved the
other way.

Don Rosa's series on Scrooge's youth
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I'm back today from a meeting of NAFS(k), the Swedish Donaldists.
Someone had discovered serious incompatibilities between part three of
Rosa's series and an old Barks story. Tsk tsk... And here I thought
Rosa knew his stuff. :-) (I'll say no more, as only Scandinavians have
had a chance to read the story yet.) Part 4 will be in 2/93 and part
5 in 11/93 here in Scandinavia. Besides that Rosa's been doing a
"long story about books" for Norway, but that hasn't been published yet.

Regarding Rosa: did anyone catch the following in the fourth page of
his "Treasure under Glass":

Huey: It's just another empty barque!
Dewey: Maybe it's the one that cut *coral* for building forts on the
keys where they had no stone!
Louie: Yeah... I've *heard* of coral barques!
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: Per.Starback at student.docs.uu.se

Jamal Hannah writes:

> Has anyone out there heard of a Danish cartoonist named "Freddie Milton"?
> He did work in the comic called "Critters".. aside from Don Rosa, he
> seems to be one of the most visibly Barks-inspired artists out there.

Yes, I heard of him. He made a lot of Duck stories for the Dutch publisher
Oberon, from 1976 on. In the beginning, his stories were in cooperation
with Dutch artist Daan Jippes. The artwork is very Barks-like (and I like the
stories very much).
Since Jippes went to the USA (and didn't help Milton anymore), the stories
are not that good...

Most early Milton/Jippes stories were reprinted in the USA in Gladstone's WDC.
If you want to know in which issues, ask Per Starback for his list of
H-coded (= Dutch) stories in Gladstone comics.
(Note: Milton is Danish, but the stories are "Dutch". Most of the stories
were probably never printed in Denmark!)

Milton also made some Woody Woodpecker stories (44 pages), and he created
a new comic family: "Familien Gnuff", with 10-page stories appearing in the
Woody Woodpecker comic books in Denmark (and in other European countries).

(BTW: I think Milton's first name is Freddy...)

--Harry

Harry wrote this in a message to me that I guess was meant for the
list:
> Per Starback wrote (in answer to me=Harry Fluks, who wrote in answer to
> Jamal Hannah):
>
> > I think one of his
> > first duck stories was called "The Big Sneeze", but he couldn't sell
> > it and later he re-made it with other characters instead of the ducks.
>
> I think this could be "The big Sneezer", a 31-page Duck story he _did_
> do for Holland (code: H 8001). It wasn't one of his first stories, but
> maybe one of the first without Jippes.
> Milton re-made this story as a W.Woodpecker story (also reprinted in
> Holland).
> "The big Sneezer" is a very good story. Maybe someone could convince Disney
> to reprint it in the USA? They may not know it exists.
>
> --Harry.

Now I've found a reference: the interview with Milton in the German
book "Disney von Innen". I quote (and translate):

_The Big Sneeze_ was published as a 31 page story in the Dutch
Groot Vakantieboek 1980. It was drawn as a Donald Duck story
by Milton already in 1974. When the Danish producer couldn't
use it he got permission to print it himself, if he changed
the heads of Donald and the nephews. So Donald Duck became
--- Kalle Klodrik. (_Freddy Milton pr<ae>senterer Kalle
Klodrik i 'Det Store Nys'_, 1976, 30 pages)

The title The Big SneezeR seems to have been an invention of Oberon.
Evidently he tried to sell the story in the USA as well before going
to Oberon, because this letter from Western is reproduced as well:

Dear Mr. Milton:

Your enclosed Donald Duck story, "The Big Sneeze," arrived
several days ago. I read it with interest and was surprised
how well you achieved the "Carl Barks" look. You evidently
studied "Barks" art from some of his early issues as Donald's
beak is no longer as long as you drew it.

Unfortunately, we cannot use a story of this length. Also, as
you know, most of our Donald stories these days are reprints.
We are not producing the number of books that we did years ago
and, as a result, there are artists and writers nearby who
would do more work if I had the assignments.

I know there is a great amount of work in your story; I am
somewhat surpriesed that you went ahead with it before finding
out if there was a market for it. Perhaps through the Dutch
company that you have submitted comic book art to, you could
learn the names of companies in other countries who procude
/sic/ Disney comic book material --- such as Italy, England,
etc. It is possible they could use a long story --- or could
encourage you to do other stories and art for them.

I wish you good luck.

Sincerely yours,

Del Connell

Editor Del Connell wrote lots of Disney stories himself, btw.

In a way it's ironic with artists who prefer to work with characters
owned by a big company instead of working with their own characters,
when they have the opportunity to do so, but evidently Milton wanted
the duck version of The Big Sneeze much more than the Kalle Klodrik
version. It's the same with Don Rosa who said that he really thought
about the ducks when he did the Pertwillaby stories, and that he will
remake those stories with the ducks substituted.

I wonder what happens legally with stories like the Kalle Klodrik Big
Sneeze and Pertwillaby stories later remade as duck stories... Will
the creators have the rights to republish those stories now that
they've sold the same story to Disney?
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: Per.Starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"

1. Rich's character list

It seems that Grandma Duck has not only a Dutch name (Dora), but also
a Danish name: Andrea And ("And" = "Duck").

(I found this name in the first Danish comic I ever bought: it was only
the equivalent of $0.25 in a Dutch comic book shop)

No English name yet, but the search continues...

----
2. Gladstone Index

There has been some interest in compiling a Gladstone index, or even a
Complete Disney Comics Index (CDCI, Per's dream)...

I am working on a Big Dutch Index (BDI, TM) at the moment: it contains all
Dutch issues with their stories. I completed 90% now, and I hope to be
finished (99%) in one or two weeks.

Maybe some information of this index could be used in making a Gladstone
Index, or a CDCI (my dream too).

Anyway, when my BDI is finished, I think I could help making a Gladstone
index. But we still have to agree on the form of such an index (e.g. how
to indicate the artists).
Per, Hannes, other volunteers: how do we do this?

--Harry.

Is anyone on either of these lists real familiar with the DTA Saturday
Morning Little Mermaid series? Here in San Jose California we have only
just started receiving the show broadcasted on local Channel 20 (KOFY).
Prior to that it was only on channel 46 (?) which wasn't readily accessible.
Anyhow, I really like this show. Having only caught the "Whale of a Tale"
episode previously I was still impressed by the animation, however I felt the
characterizations and stories were a tad contrieved. Now that I have seen
upwards to 4 episodes I've reconsidered my first impression. The stories are
still a bit juvenile, but they are quite well done. They seem to be true to
the same stylings as that which was portrayed in the Little Mermaid limited
comic series a year ago. I've also found several digest sized storybooks
(with some illustrations in B&W) which seem to reflect the series quite well.
There was also a hardbound book which had more adventures of TLM and full
color illustrations (can be found at the Disney Stores). One of the digest
stories told about Countessa Peal (daughter of Countess Oystera, a rather
large dignitary). I caught the episode (last Saturday?) called "Red" and it
had an appearance by Pearl there too. Since I missed so many past episodes of
TLM can someone fill me in on some of the regular re-occurring characters like
Mobster Lobster, Urchin, Pearl, and others. Also, in the digest books Ariel's
favorite seahorse to ride is named "Crystal." Does this horse appear in the
series too?

Thank you.

Also, I have been regularly checking with the local bookstores for John
Grant's "Encyclopedia of Walt Disney's Animated Characters". It has been told
to me by them that it was due out some time in November. Well, it's nearly
the end of November and they tell me it is still "unavailable". Does anyone
know what's up?

-Rich

On 24 Nov 1992, Harry Fluks wrote:
> 1. Rich's character list
> It seems that Grandma Duck has not only a Dutch name (Dora), but also
> a Danish name: Andrea And ("And" = "Duck").
> (I found this name in the first Danish comic I ever bought: it was only
> the equivalent of $0.25 in a Dutch comic book shop)
> No English name yet, but the search continues...
> ----
> 2. Gladstone Index
> There has been some interest in compiling a Gladstone index, or even a
> Complete Disney Comics Index (CDCI, Per's dream)...
> I am working on a Big Dutch Index (BDI, TM) at the moment: it contains all
> Dutch issues with their stories. I completed 90% now, and I hope to be
> finished (99%) in one or two weeks.
> Maybe some information of this index could be used in making a Gladstone
> Index, or a CDCI (my dream too).
> Anyway, when my BDI is finished, I think I could help making a Gladstone
> index. But we still have to agree on the form of such an index (e.g. how
> to indicate the artists).
> Per, Hannes, other volunteers: how do we do this?
> --Harry.

If you are going to make an index of Disney stories, I suggest that a
paragraph be written for each story. The paragraph should include:
Control number (same for each language version?)
Title (enter the version you have, and transcribe it into English.
Remember to put the title in [brackets] if you have to
create one, and put the language identifier in (parenthesis).
As other people contribute foreign titles, they can be added.
Writer
Artist(s)
If not known, put in parenthesis who the contributor is
thought to be. Add notes if necessary.
Issue(s) the story has appeared in.
After each issue, put in parenthesis the country (not the
language) where the issue was published. Add a note if the country
publishes in more than one language (like Canada).
Characters
List any significant characters (use abbreviations for
popular characters... MdS, US, DD, GyG, HDL, BB, GlG).
Use American names, and include an appendix that crosslists
foreign names. If a new character appears in a foreign
(non-U.S.) edition, list the name and make a note of his/her/its
apperance and character.
Synopsis
Tell, in two or three sentences, what happens in the story.
References
Notes for further reading. Include here geographic notes
for Uncle Scrooge stories, and story notes for continued
stories (Plain Awful, etc.).

Subject headings should be included in the index at the end of the book.
Include:
Character apperances
Recurring themes (Donald's employment, US's magic dime, Junior
Woodchucks)
Authors, artists, movie titles, actors who appear in Disney comic books

These are suggestions.

There is a books series in the U.S. called The Photojournalist's Guide to
Comic Book Covers. It contains nothing put page after page of photos of comic
book covers! I don't know if Disney has been done yet, and if it hasn't,
it probably will be eventually.

I look forward to your index!

Torsten at Omaha

On Fri, 27 Nov 1992, Torsten Wesley Adair wrote:
> On 24 Nov 1992, Harry Fluks wrote:
> > 1. Rich's character list
> > It seems that Grandma Duck has not only a Dutch name (Dora), but also
> > a Danish name: Andrea And ("And" = "Duck").
> > (I found this name in the first Danish comic I ever bought: it was only
> > the equivalent of $0.25 in a Dutch comic book shop)
> > No English name yet, but the search continues...
> > ----
> > 2. Gladstone Index
> > There has been some interest in compiling a Gladstone index, or even a
> > Complete Disney Comics Index (CDCI, Per's dream)...
> > I am working on a Big Dutch Index (BDI, TM) at the moment: it contains all
> > Dutch issues with their stories. I completed 90% now, and I hope to be
> > finished (99%) in one or two weeks.
> > Maybe some information of this index could be used in making a Gladstone
> > Index, or a CDCI (my dream too).
> > Anyway, when my BDI is finished, I think I could help making a Gladstone
> > index. But we still have to agree on the form of such an index (e.g. how
> > to indicate the artists).
> > Per, Hannes, other volunteers: how do we do this?
> > --Harry.
>
> If you are going to make an index of Disney stories, I suggest that a
> paragraph be written for each story. The paragraph should include:
> Control number (same for each language version?)
> Title (enter the version you have, and transcribe it into English.
> Remember to put the title in [brackets] if you have to
> create one, and put the language identifier in (parenthesis).
> As other people contribute foreign titles, they can be added.
> Writer
> Artist(s)
> If not known, put in parenthesis who the contributor is
> thought to be. Add notes if necessary.
> Issue(s) the story has appeared in.
List the title of the magazine in the original language,
with the issue number and the date after it. List the number
of pages,
> and put in parenthesis the country (not the
> language) where the issue was published. Add a note if the
> country publishes in more than one language (like Canada).
> Characters
> List any significant characters (use abbreviations for
> popular characters... MdS, US, DD, GyG, HDL, BB, GlG).
> Use American names, and include an appendix that crosslists
> foreign names. If a new character appears in a foreign
> (non-U.S.) edition, list the name and make a note of his/her/its
> apperance and character.
> Synopsis
> Tell, in two or three sentences, what happens in the story.
> References
> Notes for further reading. Include here geographic notes
> for Uncle Scrooge stories, and story notes for continued
> stories (Plain Awful, etc.).
>
> Subject headings should be included in the index at the end of the book.
> Include:
> Character apperances
> Recurring themes (Donald's employment, US's magic dime, Junior
> Woodchucks)
> Authors, artists, movie titles, actors who appear in Disney comic books
>
>
> These are suggestions.
>
> There is a books series in the U.S. called The Photojournalist's Guide to
> Comic Book Covers. It contains nothing put page after page of photos of comic
> book covers! I don't know if Disney has been done yet, and if it hasn't,
> it probably will be eventually.
>
> I look forward to your index!
>
> Torsten at Omaha
Torsten at Omaha