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Well, now I have typed in all issues of Mickey and Donald, and started
on Gladstone's Donald Duck.

I tried to use Harry's format except I took a blank writer column to
mean that the writer was unknown and therefore always filled in the
same name there as in the penciler column if I knew that the artist
wrote the story as well. Also I didn't use Harry's no-caps style of
writing titles, because I don't like it. So there!

If anyone wants what I have typed in immediately, because they want
the info at once or maybe even offer to proofread it, just tell me,
and I'll send it to you. (Or should I have posted it to the list
instead?)

Left to be done:
(If you have any of the following comics and some free time, please
contribute. Telling the list beforehand might be a good idea, to
avoid duplication of work.)
Donald Duck (266-277) *Per will do most of these*
Donald Duck Adventures 1, 3-4, 6-7, 9-11, 13, 15-16, 18
Ducktales 1-13 (all)
Mickey Mouse 219-256 (all)
Uncle Scrooge 210-214, 216-219, 221-227, 229-234, 236-238, 240
Uncle Scrooge Advs. 1-3, 7-8, 10-13, 18-19
WD's Comics and Stories 512-516, 518-525, 527-530, 532-539, 542-545
...and some specials.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: Per.Starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"

> As far as creative personnel are concerned, have you checked Overstreet's
> Comic Book Price Guide. This title should be in every collector's
> library!

It's in mine. I have two editions (I think numbers 7 and 11).

> Most issue entries list significant writers and artists. You may need to
> look at the original issue (Dell Four Color) to find it.

In my editions, they only list Carl Barks and Walt Kelly as significant
artists. I expect Don Rosa to have shown up in newer editions, but that's
about all one can get from Overstreet. They occasionally include the name of
Gottfredson, Taliaferro and Murry, but they are far from complete.

> There are many other price guides as well.

You may not be surprized that the _price_ of an American comic is the least
important information to me...

> Torsten at Omaha

--Harry.

Hi all,

could someone please summarize what titles are left to be typed in for the
index and what format is recommended ?

I should have all titles in my collection and should be able to type in lots of
the stuff during Christmas break.

Waiting for information :))

Hannes

Hannes Faestermann | Internet:
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in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
Calvin (Weirdos from another planet, Watterson)

"
In reply to Per Starback:

> Sources of creator information
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Torsten:
> > Every year, Overstreet concentrates on a specific subject, which is
> > featured on the cover. In 1987, Snow White and Disney Comics were
> > featured.
>
> That's the very edition I have. One year (1976?) Carl Barks was
> featured (with a Porky Pig cover by Barks I think). I wish I had that
> one as well, but it's probably expensive...

I don't think Barks ever made a Porky Pig cover (but if I'm wrong, I
certainly would like a description!). In several Price Guides, the cover
of the PP-issue that contains the Barks story is reproduced (the Barks
story = "Porky of the Mounties", PPOS 48).
As far as I know, Barks drew a special illustration for the Barks issue of
the Price Guide. The illustration shows Scrooge in the middle of some
well-known Barks characters like Magica, Beagle Boys etc.
(This illustration was reprinted in Holland a few times)

> Another index
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Great news!

Indeed, great news!

> Just a thought...
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Harry:
> > [...] <example: "Is Superman really dead?">

That was Torsten, not me.

> Maybe that DC trick would be something for Disney. They could kill
> off Scrooge in a special collector's item book, and then a few months
> later maybe Magica could find some way to revive him. Maybe he has
> hid his first dime so well she can't find it, so she needs him to show
> the way there, or whatever. Whaddya think?
>
> No, I'm not serious! :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

BTW: there are at least two stories in which Scrooge is _thought_ to be
dead, and Donald inherits his money. One is an old Western story (by
Frank McSavage, I think) and the other is a 'Dutch' story by Jan Gulbransson.
In both stories, the reader is informed quite soon that Scrooge is not
actually dead, but Donald doesn't know till the end.

--Harry.

Porky Pig
~~~~~~~~~
me> One year (1976?) Carl Barks was featured [in The Overstreet
me> Price Guide] (with a Porky Pig cover by Barks I think).
Harry> I don't think Barks ever made a Porky Pig cover (but if I'm
Harry> wrong, I certainly would like a description!).

I found a notice on that issue of the Overprice Street Guide
in an old issue of Carl Barks & Co. It says that it reproduces some
of Barks's paintings with ducks, and that Barks painted a new cover
for it with Porky Pig in a situation from the Porky story Barks did.
There are also another color section with the covers of most
one-shots by Barks, even where the cover isn't by him, and an article
on Barks by Barbara Boatner. The cover is reproduced rather poorly
and small, so it's hard to describe it. It's Porky in the middle and
then lots of animals though.

me> I wish I had that one as well, but it's probably expensive...
Torsten> There isn't much demand for old price guides. If you want to
Torsten> see the information, try interlibrary loan. If it is too
Torsten> difficult, I would be happy to do it for you, and send you a
Torsten> photocopy of the article and plates.

Thanks for the generous offer, but I can surely find someone in Sweden
who has it if I really have to look at it some day. I still think
it's likely to be rather expensive. Old price guides may not be in
high demand normally, but anything Barksian is likely to have lots of
eager collectors with lots of money, *sigh*.

A Death in the Family
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
(I attributed a quote wrongly)
Harry> That was Torsten, not me.

Sorry, I really knew that, my message just came out that way after I
had edited it back and forth a little. (How's that for an excuse?)

Harry> BTW: there are at least two stories in which Scrooge is
Harry> _thought_ to be dead, and Donald inherits his money. One is an
Harry> old Western story (by Frank McSavage, I think) and the other is
Harry> a 'Dutch' story by Jan Gulbransson.

I've read one such story, but I remember it as an Italian story (in
Kalle Ankas Pocket in Sweden), so if I'm right there are at least
three such stories. There is another Italian story where Scrooge
sends Donald and the boys to the future (2001 AD) to see what Donald
will do with all the money *if* he inherits it. Sure enough he had
died by then, so that's a real instance of Scrooge being dead, even
though I guess what they saw was only one possible future time-line.

I'm sure 2001 would be substituted for something more distant if that
story was reprinted today...

And another thing: The German Donaldist fanzine Der Donaldist let some
artists illustrate the line "Hey, Daisy! Whatever happened to
Scrooge?" In Don Rosa's illustration we see older versions of Donald,
HDL, and Daisy at Scrooge's grave, and Rosa has extended Donald's line
with "Is that what you asked? His final adventure is a tale that will
probably never be allowed to be told... But it *was* a dilly!" The
gravestone reads "Scrooge McDuck / 1867--1967 / Fortuna favet
fortibus".

Gladstone index
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I didn't have all the remaining DD's, so I've left some of them for
someone else. Now I will begin with MM, and I do have all of those.

Left to be done:
DD 268-272, 274-277; DDA 1, 3-4, 6-7, 9-11, 13, 15-16, 18; DT 1-13;
MM (Per will do these); US 210-214, 216-219, 221-227, 229-234,
236-238, 240; USA 1-3, 7-8, 10-13, 18-19; WDC 512-516, 518-525,
527-530, 532-539, 542-545; plus some specials.

Restored panel
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Finally a thing I forgot to ask about before: What is this about the
last panel on page 3 of WDC 80 (Getting the Bees-nees)? (Harry listed
it as "restored" in the reprint in MD 13.)
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: Per.Starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"

Per = Per Starback (obviously..)

Porky Pig
~~~~~~~~~
Harry> I don't think Barks ever made a Porky Pig cover (but if I'm
Harry> wrong, I certainly would like a description!).
Per> I found a notice on that issue of the Overprice Street Guide
Per> in an old issue of Carl Barks & Co.

I think it's number 7, right?

Per> I still think
Per> it's likely to be rather expensive. Old price guides may not be in
Per> high demand normally, but anything Barksian is likely to have lots of
Per> eager collectors with lots of money, *sigh*.

I think you're right. I have seen a lot of Price Guides in Dutch comic book
stores, but _never_ the Barks issue.

A Death in the Family
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Per> And another thing: The German Donaldist fanzine Der Donaldist let some
Per> artists illustrate the line "Hey, Daisy! Whatever happened to
Per> Scrooge?" In Don Rosa's illustration we see older versions of Donald,
Per> HDL, and Daisy at Scrooge's grave, and Rosa has extended Donald's line
Per> with "Is that what you asked? His final adventure is a tale that will
Per> probably never be allowed to be told... But it *was* a dilly!" The
Per> gravestone reads "Scrooge McDuck / 1867--1967 / Fortuna favet
Per> fortibus".

I like this! The years, the text..

Gladstone index
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Per> Left to be done:
Per> (..) plus some specials.

I hope Andrew Krieg is willing to share his Gladstone Album list with us..?

Restored panel
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Per> Finally a thing I forgot to ask about before: What is this about the
Per> last panel on page 3 of WDC 80 (Getting the Bees-nees)? (Harry listed
Per> it as "restored" in the reprint in MD 13.)

I was waiting for someone to ask that... In Holland, the panel was missing
in the original prints. The Dutch editors have no idea why this panel was
missing (I asked them). Daniel van Eijmeren (a Dutch correspondent) owns
the Carl Barks Library. He noted that the panel there was of less
quality than the rest of the story. When looking very carefully, one can
see that the panel borders do not exactly match the rest of the page.
This and the quality difference lead us to the conclusion: the CBL people
must have used the same story version that the Dutch used. They must have
gotten the missing panel from somewhere else (maybe the original printed
comic), putting it back in its place after restoring it.

This may look like conjecture, but the evidence is strong enough for me...
(BTW: the MD 13 version is a coloured copy of the CBL version.)
If you don't agree, then delete the remark from the list (or add the text
'according to Harry').

--Harry.

Hello disney-comics subscribers, this is my first mail to
you. Thanks to Per Starback by the welcome message. Yes, in
Brazil (we write "Brasil" here) there is (was?) local
production of Disney comics. All that I know about comics
is out-of-date because I don't read comics since 1986, when
I entered in the University; I think this local production
began in the 70's. I will write more about this.

Ricardo Ueda.

This is a revised version of 'The story codes'. I mailed the previous
version last August.

THE STORY CODES
---------------

There are quite a few countries that made Disney stories.
This is a list of them, giving a short description of how to recognize
the stories, mostly by the code.
I do not know all the details, so I if am wrong, please correct me.

The story code can be found on the first page of a story, mostly on the first
panel. About 1969/70, Disney told the various publishers that every story
should have a code, from then on. I think that is the time they agreed that
every publisher would choose a different letter to begin the code with.

Most stories as they were (re)printed in Holland before 1970, did not have a
code at all.

And now per country/publisher:

USA - King Features Syndicate
-----------------------------
These are the newspaper comic strips. They are indicated by their
publishing date, sometimes preceded by 'WDP', 'WDE', 'KF' or 'KFS'.
When reprinted in Europe, the publishing date may be either in USA
format (MM-DD-YY) or in European format (DD-MM-YY).

Note that a date does not identify a story or gag uniquely, since
there were several newspaper series at the same time, like Donald
Duck, Mickey Mouse, Silly Symphonies, Scamp.

USA - Western (Dell/Gold Key)
-----------------------------
Western produced stories since 1942 (?). They did not give the stories a
code, but the _comics_ were coded, mostly on the bottom of the first
interior page (and sometimes in giant sized comics also on the 33rd page).

Sometimes this code was wrong, e.g. in Uncle Scrooge #4, which was coded
S.M.O.S. 521-5312 (They originally planned to issue the comic as a One Shot).

When reprinted, these codes sometimes were not removed, so they served as
a story code.

In later reprints, all stories from an original comic got the code of that
comic. This means that all stories that appeared in the same issue have the
same code.
Sometimes, the Dutch reprint had a W or WR before the code: WR-WDC 147.
WR = Western Reprint?

USA - Gladstone
---------------
Gladstone used the code 'AR' for their own stories (mostly Van Horn and Rosa).
AR stands for Another Rainbow, the 'mother' of Gladstone.
For some reason, they started with AR 101.

USA - Disney
------------
Disney Comics has the habit to code ALL the stories, not only their own.
So, Danish stories get a double code when published in a Disney Comic.
The Disney codes start with a K. They have some system in identifying
the comic and the year. In 1990 is was just like KD-01-90. In 1991 and
after that, the codes got more complicated, like KJD093-1.

Disney Comics also was the first (?) to give the *covers* a code.

USA - Disney Studio's
---------------------
From 1963 on, the Disney Studios's produced comics for the 'Foreign
market'.

In the 60s, the code was built as follows:
1st digit = the last digit of the year
next digits = sequence number.
Example: #6178. This is the 178th story the studios made in 1966.
Sometimes, the code was preceded by an 'X' or 'XTRA' or a little
square.

From 1970 on, the codes are preceded by an 'S'. Example: S-2106 = 106th
story in 1972.
From 1973 on, the story codes contained the last 2 digits of the year, to
avoid ambiguities with the stories from 1963 etc.
Example: S-73002.

Tony Strobl, Al Hubbard and Jack Bradbury drew a lot of 'Studio'
stories, along with a bunch of new artists. New characters and
situations were introduced, like (in the 60s): Fethry Duck; Double-O
Duck; Madam Mim & Magica living together in a castle.
In the 70s and 80s: Goofy as a famous historic character; Goofy gives
a lesson; the greatest detective of London: Oliver Flops (=Dutch
name; English name unknown).

Denmark - Gutenberghus / Egmont
-------------------------------
Gutenberghus produces Disney comics since 1971 (?). They are coded D + 4
digits. They started at D-2000.
From the year after they reached D-10000 on (1988), the stories are
coded per year, e.g. D 88020.
For some reason, the stories of the Wuzzles, Gummibears and Winnie the
Pooh (and some more) have their own story numbers, like D-GUB/101.

A peculiarity: all known codes between D 5274 and D 10166 are _even_.
The reason for this in unknown.

I remember some non-Disney stories that also had a D-code; they were
Flintstone stories (published in 1973).

Gutenberghus is called Egmont from 1992 on.

Holland - Oberon / Geillusteerde Pers
-------------------------------------
In Holland, they started to make an occasional Disney story in 1953.
From 1965-1969, they let the Toonder Studio's make 4-page stories
of Li'l bad wolf and Hiawatha. These stories are _very_ Dutch,
I think no foreigner would understand them.

In 1970, the editor started its own production. The editor was
then called Geillustreerde Pers (Illustrated Press), and the first
stories were coded with GP. In 1971, they started to code the
stories with an H.

In 1972, GP was renamed to Oberon; about 1990, the Disney part of Oberon
became GP again.

From 1969 to 1972, the stories were only numbered by character, e.g.
GP-MM-1 (= Jippes MM story).
From 1973 to 1978, the stories were numbered by year _and_ character,
e.g. H-DD-7418. (In Gladstone reprints the 'DD' was removed from the
code: H 7418.)
Since 1979, the stories are numbered by year only, e.g. H 7934.

Italy - Mondadori
-----------------
From the mid-50s on, Mondadori Studio's produced many stories, in a
very own style.
Most of the stories that are reprinted in Holland have no code; those
that have, have an I, followed by (an abbreviation of) the Italian
comic issue and a letter. A number without issue abbrev. mostly
indicates 'Albi d'Oro', Golden Books.
E.g. I-1425-B is the 2nd story of Albi d'Oro 1425.

A few years ago, Disney took over the Italian Disney publishing.
They probably still produce comics, and the same artists that
worked for Mondadori now work for Disney.

Germany - Ehapa
---------------
Germany recently had 2 comic album series, for which they produced
the stories, 'Disney Auto Album' and 'Onkel Dagoberts Schatztruhe'
('Uncle Scrooge's Treasure Chest').
The stories are coded with a G.
In Germany, they have (had) more 'own' stories, for the pocket
series 'Lustige Taschenbuecher'. These pocket books contain Italian
stories, glued together by German intermezzos.

Brazil - Abril
--------------
I have seen only a few Brazilian story in Holland, coded with a B,
followed by year and number (4 digits), like B 810195.
Most Brazilian stories are only used in Latin America.

France - ?
----------
French stories are coded 'F' + French issue + letter. For
example, FJM-85001-C wich should be the 3rd story of the French
magazine 'Journal de Mickey', volume 1985, issue #1.

The French stories that are reprinted in Holland are mostly about the
Disney Babies and Sport Goofy.

In the early 70s, there was a French series 'Mickey travels through
time'. Mickey meets a lot of historic figures, like Napoleon.

Other countries
---------------
Maybe there are other countries/publshers that have/had their own
production. I don't know.

Any remarks are (still) very welcome.

Harry Fluks.