Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 16:29:51 +0300
From: Kriton Kyrimis <kyrimis at cti.gr>
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 02:42:46 PST
From: "timo ronkainen" <timoro at hotmail.com>
To: dcomics at stp.ling.uu.se
Subject: info needed: Italian D-comics
Hi!
I am writing an article about Italian Disney comics for my zine, and I
need info and Your help, members of DCML.
As I was reading my old Barks Collectors, I found on n:o 12/13 (1979)
article "European
Disney Comics - A Perspective" by Horst Schroder. There was a mention
about wartime Italian Disney-
production. During the WW II no American comis were allowed in Italy
because of cultural autarchia
and most of them were changed into homemade substitutes.
(Pseudo-Phantom, pseudo-Flash Gordon etc were made).
According the article, in 1941 artist Pier Lorenzo de Vita was assigned
to redraw Gottfredson`s animal
heads and hands into humans and the strip Topolino was renamed as
Tuffolino.
That kind of obscurity I certainly would like to see!
Does anyone in this ML have any pictorial matter on this? I`d be
thankful if someone
could get me scanned or photocopied sample panels of this
Topolino/Tuffolino stuff.
And any info about pre-war, wartime and early 50`s Italian D-comics is
welcome.
Any recommendable web sites?
And, oh...was Topolinos first year 1932 or -35? Both years are mentioned
as first year, in different sources.
thanks,, Timo Ronkainen
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:34:54 +0200
From: Botto Armando <Armando.Botto at elsag.it>
To: dcomics at strindberg.ling.uu.se
Subject: RE: Italian D-comics
TIMO:
I have some (few) examples of the Tuffolino/Topolino stuff, and I'm
willing
to send you photocopies... But I suspect you won't need them, as other
Italians on this List are very efficient when it comes to providing
scans...
As for the info about early Italian D-comics, we have the utmost experts
on
the List, and I think they can answer to you much better than I could...
One answer, however, I can provide (just to put a little informative
content
in this message): the first issue of "Topolino" was dated Dec. 31st,
1932.
The publisher was Nerbini; in 1935 (starting from number 137), Mondadori
took over (but the numbering was not reset). The last number of that
series
of "Topolino" (also known as "Topolino Giornale") was #738, April 1949;
after that, the current series ("Topolino Libretto") started again from
#1
(and has now reached #2250 or so).
By the way, Disney-Italia IS going to celebrate the 50th anniversary of
"Topolino Libretto"! A special booklet reprinting the first THREE issues
is
due next month (hooray!). At LuccaComics, they even said that the
reprints
may continue with the subsequent issues, if the booklet sells well...
So,
let's buy multiple copies and hope for the best...
Ciao,
Armando
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Ola Martinsson
Disney comics Digest V99 #59
Message 76 -
2000-09-19 at 11:06:10
Olivier
Mouseton in D96001 (to Don Rosa)
Message 77 -
2000-09-20 at 18:34:58
Lighter thoughts in these gloomy days thanks to the Ducks...
Gilles:
>>In your story "D96001", I think the original title contains the words "gravity" and >>"matter",
but I don't have the time to check, at page 12 panel 1, we can see on >>a board in Duckburg's
airport names of cities which the flights are going to. IN >>the french version, those are
Tombouctou, Puerto Povro, Costa Trouya, >>Louisville, and Mickeyville, the french for ...Mouseton...
Did you really do it, >>Unca'Keno, or is it just a mistake by the translators???
Rather an adaptation.
I don't have the French version. The aiport is "Coot International
Airport".
The original board ("A Matter of Some Gravity", WDC&S 610, March '97--
ah, the good ol' Gladstone days!) reads:
Flight 109: Gooseville (11:02)
Flight 315: Farawaystan (11:37)
Flight 757: Costa Lotta (11:56)
Flight 214: Purto Pooro (12:14)
Flight 666: Louisville (Late)
Olivier
Gilles:
>>In your story "D96001", I think the original title contains the words "gravity" and >>"matter",
but I don't have the time to check, at page 12 panel 1, we can see on >>a board in Duckburg's
airport names of cities which the flights are going to. IN >>the french version, those are
Tombouctou, Puerto Povro, Costa Trouya, >>Louisville, and Mickeyville, the french for ...Mouseton...
Did you really do it, >>Unca'Keno, or is it just a mistake by the translators???
Rather an adaptation.
I don't have the French version. The aiport is "Coot International
Airport".
The original board ("A Matter of Some Gravity", WDC&S 610, March '97--
ah, the good ol' Gladstone days!) reads:
Flight 109: Gooseville (11:02)
Flight 315: Farawaystan (11:37)
Flight 757: Costa Lotta (11:56)
Flight 214: Purto Pooro (12:14)
Flight 666: Louisville (Late)
Olivier
Erik Bergwall
Link tips
Message 78 -
2000-09-20 at 18:38:57
Hi.
Now I?m writing to this list. It?s the first time!
I want to give you a tips on my disney characters webpage. It?s quite difficult to read it for them who can?t swedish! But here it comes:
http://w1.218.telia.com/~u21803238/dizzni/figurer/figurer.htm
Thank?s for a great mailinglist!
Now I?m writing to this list. It?s the first time!
I want to give you a tips on my disney characters webpage. It?s quite difficult to read it for them who can?t swedish! But here it comes:
http://w1.218.telia.com/~u21803238/dizzni/figurer/figurer.htm
Thank?s for a great mailinglist!
F. A. Elliott
National Geographic
Message 79 -
2000-09-21 at 07:57:43
Hello again,
I got a great kick out of seeing the National
Geographics drawn into Timo Ronkainen's "Ankkalinnan
Pamaus" cover pic of Carl Barks at his work bench. I'm
a big fan of NG. I have all the issues except for one
all the way back to Dec '51. You even got the pre '59
look right before they started adding pictures to the
covers.
That would be a good question for the DCML. What
issues of National Geographic did Carl Barks draw
heavily from. I know it would be dumb to list each one
because he probably used many of them. But, I think in
some cases, certain magazines were drawn from more
heavily.
In fact, it would make a nice brief mention in the
actual Geographic Magazine. If any fans here can work
up a correct list I'll e-mail the recommendation off
to National Geographic. But it would look better
coming from somebody with a little more flash than
myself, particularly from a non-american, since the
National Geographic Magazine is more apt to print
letters from other countries.
National Geographic's letters e-mail is
<ngsforum at nationalgeographic.com>
One should include name, address, and daytime
telephone.
God bless,
F.A. Elliott.
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I got a great kick out of seeing the National
Geographics drawn into Timo Ronkainen's "Ankkalinnan
Pamaus" cover pic of Carl Barks at his work bench. I'm
a big fan of NG. I have all the issues except for one
all the way back to Dec '51. You even got the pre '59
look right before they started adding pictures to the
covers.
That would be a good question for the DCML. What
issues of National Geographic did Carl Barks draw
heavily from. I know it would be dumb to list each one
because he probably used many of them. But, I think in
some cases, certain magazines were drawn from more
heavily.
In fact, it would make a nice brief mention in the
actual Geographic Magazine. If any fans here can work
up a correct list I'll e-mail the recommendation off
to National Geographic. But it would look better
coming from somebody with a little more flash than
myself, particularly from a non-american, since the
National Geographic Magazine is more apt to print
letters from other countries.
National Geographic's letters e-mail is
<ngsforum at nationalgeographic.com>
One should include name, address, and daytime
telephone.
God bless,
F.A. Elliott.
=====
The 'one' who has a finger on 'it'... scratches against the mahogany lining of a coffin crying, "I am Jonah! I am Jonah! Spit me back out so I may see and feel the light of day again." And, the levithan does not heed for it knows every great epic must come to an 'end.'
A tasty morsel known as... "understanding." (F.A. Elliott)
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A Donald question...
Message 80 -
2000-09-21 at 13:42:59
Rich (RMorris306 at aol.com):
> a question for those of you who have much more
> familiarity with the Barks canon than I do. Did he ever do a
> story with Donald Duck on a motorcycle?
Do mini-motorcycles count?
See "Way Out Yonder", W WDC 262-02 (USA reprints: WDC 454, WDCD 42, and the
CB libraries)
--Harry.
> a question for those of you who have much more
> familiarity with the Barks canon than I do. Did he ever do a
> story with Donald Duck on a motorcycle?
Do mini-motorcycles count?
See "Way Out Yonder", W WDC 262-02 (USA reprints: WDC 454, WDCD 42, and the
CB libraries)
--Harry.
Alessandro Iovino
Who was Erich von Stroheim?
Message 81 -
2000-09-21 at 16:48:40
Hi,
I'm reading an italian book about Mickey Mouse, and I found a
reference to Erich von Stroheim.
The author, referring to the History "MM and the Pirate
Submarine", talks about the villain, Dr. Vulture, as a caricature of
the named above.
I was trying to look for some informations about him, and I found
out an actor and a photo, representing the characther played by
himself in the movie Foolish Wives ( about 1922).
The url is:
http://www.mdle.com/ClassicFilms/PhotoGallery3/3vons.htm
I think this movie could be that to which Gottfredson has referred
for the idea of Dr. Vulter character, if information given in the book
is right.
May anyone tell me if the correlation made between the villain of
the aforementioned daily strip and the actor in the photo is correct?
Do you think they resemble each other?
I hope my english is understandable.
thanks to everyone who will answer me.
Bye
Alessandro Iovino
I'm reading an italian book about Mickey Mouse, and I found a
reference to Erich von Stroheim.
The author, referring to the History "MM and the Pirate
Submarine", talks about the villain, Dr. Vulture, as a caricature of
the named above.
I was trying to look for some informations about him, and I found
out an actor and a photo, representing the characther played by
himself in the movie Foolish Wives ( about 1922).
The url is:
http://www.mdle.com/ClassicFilms/PhotoGallery3/3vons.htm
I think this movie could be that to which Gottfredson has referred
for the idea of Dr. Vulter character, if information given in the book
is right.
May anyone tell me if the correlation made between the villain of
the aforementioned daily strip and the actor in the photo is correct?
Do you think they resemble each other?
I hope my english is understandable.
thanks to everyone who will answer me.
Bye
Alessandro Iovino
Fluks, H.W.
Rosa comics in Finland !!
Message 82 -
2000-09-21 at 22:33:10
Janne Heino wrote in July:
> So the three caballeros rides again story will be published
> here at Finland with the special cover.
Can anyone show us a scan of that cover? (And on which issue was it
published?)
--Harry.
Harry Fluks, Leidschendam, The Netherlands
mailto:h.w.fluks at kpn.com (work)
mailto:h.w.fluks at wxs.nl (home)
http://members.nbci.com/bolderbast/ (Inducks)
http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/bolderbast/ (DCML photos & stuff)
http://home.wxs.nl/~fluks4 (Introducktion)
> So the three caballeros rides again story will be published
> here at Finland with the special cover.
Can anyone show us a scan of that cover? (And on which issue was it
published?)
--Harry.
Harry Fluks, Leidschendam, The Netherlands
mailto:h.w.fluks at kpn.com (work)
mailto:h.w.fluks at wxs.nl (home)
http://members.nbci.com/bolderbast/ (Inducks)
http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/bolderbast/ (DCML photos & stuff)
http://home.wxs.nl/~fluks4 (Introducktion)
Fernando Ventura
Caballeros Cover
Message 83 -
2000-09-21 at 23:06:17
There are a image of this cover, a very bad image, on the Aku Ankka site, on
Finland!
See on:
http://www.akuankka.fi/
Fernando!
Janne Heino wrote in July:
> So the three caballeros rides again story will be published
> here at Finland with the special cover.
Can anyone show us a scan of that cover? (And on which issue was it
published?)
--Harry.
Finland!
See on:
http://www.akuankka.fi/
Fernando!
Janne Heino wrote in July:
> So the three caballeros rides again story will be published
> here at Finland with the special cover.
Can anyone show us a scan of that cover? (And on which issue was it
published?)
--Harry.
SRoweCanoe
Who was Erich von Stroheim?
Message 84 -
2000-09-22 at 00:03:42
In a message dated 09/21/2000 4:02:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
alexiov at libero.it writes:
> I'm reading an italian book about Mickey Mouse, and I found a
> reference to Erich von Stroheim.
Well Von Strheim looked like that in all his movies. There's a good
documentary on him entilled "The Man You Love To Hate", because of the amount
of WW1 era anti-German propaganda films he was in.
But yes, he is a likely suspect for the charachter.
The best source for movie indexing is www.imdb.com
Not sure if there are other language versions or not...
Now if you know anything about the Italian Pathe films of the 1910s......let
me know!
Steven Rowe, silent movie fan
alexiov at libero.it writes:
> I'm reading an italian book about Mickey Mouse, and I found a
> reference to Erich von Stroheim.
Well Von Strheim looked like that in all his movies. There's a good
documentary on him entilled "The Man You Love To Hate", because of the amount
of WW1 era anti-German propaganda films he was in.
But yes, he is a likely suspect for the charachter.
The best source for movie indexing is www.imdb.com
Not sure if there are other language versions or not...
Now if you know anything about the Italian Pathe films of the 1910s......let
me know!
Steven Rowe, silent movie fan
Fabio Blanco
Who was Erich von Stroheim?
Message 85 -
2000-09-22 at 03:15:51
>In a message dated 09/21/2000 4:02:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>alexiov at libero.it writes:
>
>> I'm reading an italian book about Mickey Mouse, and I found a
>> reference to Erich von Stroheim.
Look at the Jean Renoir's movie from 1937 *The Great Ilusion* (La Grand
Illusion?, aux secours, mon amis!!!). Is a great, great movie, and there
you'll really love to Von. Is a little part, but superb.
Hey, an double chapter of Indiana Jones Chronicles have to Von like one of
the characters when filming Foolish Wives. Is a great chapter: other
characters in him are Carl Laemmle and John Ford.
Fabio Blanco
Bonvolu postu al: longtom at oeste.com.ar
>alexiov at libero.it writes:
>
>> I'm reading an italian book about Mickey Mouse, and I found a
>> reference to Erich von Stroheim.
Look at the Jean Renoir's movie from 1937 *The Great Ilusion* (La Grand
Illusion?, aux secours, mon amis!!!). Is a great, great movie, and there
you'll really love to Von. Is a little part, but superb.
Hey, an double chapter of Indiana Jones Chronicles have to Von like one of
the characters when filming Foolish Wives. Is a great chapter: other
characters in him are Carl Laemmle and John Ford.
Fabio Blanco
Bonvolu postu al: longtom at oeste.com.ar
Erik Nilsson
DCML digest, Vol 1 #266 - 3 msgs
Message 86 -
2000-09-22 at 11:07:16
I don´t wan´t to bi in your fucking list any more!
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2000-09-22 at 11:08:04
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Message 89 -
2000-09-22 at 12:17:43
Keno Don Rosa:
>> You are making errors in assumption here, Olivier. First, the Gladstone
>> version is not the "original" ... it is a reprint of the earlier European
>> (Egmont) uses of that story. And you cannot always assume that they were
>> using my original script, word for word (though we usually tried to do
>> that).
Well, I knew it was a reprint, but I assumed the script was the original one. Thank you for the
(surprising) information.
Olivier
>> You are making errors in assumption here, Olivier. First, the Gladstone
>> version is not the "original" ... it is a reprint of the earlier European
>> (Egmont) uses of that story. And you cannot always assume that they were
>> using my original script, word for word (though we usually tried to do
>> that).
Well, I knew it was a reprint, but I assumed the script was the original one. Thank you for the
(surprising) information.
Olivier
François Willot
Picsou 344
Message 90 -
2000-09-22 at 16:34:10
In issue #344 this month:
- cover (redrawn from Barks comics)
- pin-up illustration by Don Rosa for the Kalevala
http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/scans/FC_PM__344D.jpg
- "Sad news": edito notes on Barks' health that was deteriorating (when the
issue was sent to the printer, Barks was still alive - the issue was
published after Barks' death)
- "The Kalevala" by Don Rosa
- "The Ghost Train Mystery" by Carl Barks
For this September issue, 3 Barks ten-pagers about the nephews playing hooky
on the first day of school:
- The Radio story (WDC 60), Playin' Hookey (WDC 72), The Truant Nephews (WDC
133)
- Taliaferro strips
- Some words about the "Kalevala" by Don Rosa
- Another Kalevala illustration (made for Finnish "Sammon salaisuus ja muita
Don Rosan parhaita" maybe?)
- cover (redrawn from Barks comics)
- pin-up illustration by Don Rosa for the Kalevala
http://www2.ec-lille.fr/willot/scans/FC_PM__344D.jpg
- "Sad news": edito notes on Barks' health that was deteriorating (when the
issue was sent to the printer, Barks was still alive - the issue was
published after Barks' death)
- "The Kalevala" by Don Rosa
- "The Ghost Train Mystery" by Carl Barks
For this September issue, 3 Barks ten-pagers about the nephews playing hooky
on the first day of school:
- The Radio story (WDC 60), Playin' Hookey (WDC 72), The Truant Nephews (WDC
133)
- Taliaferro strips
- Some words about the "Kalevala" by Don Rosa
- Another Kalevala illustration (made for Finnish "Sammon salaisuus ja muita
Don Rosan parhaita" maybe?)