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UNDBKB
FYI
> Don Rosa has been nominated for an Eisner Award for BEST STORY OF THE YEAR.
> "The Black Knight GLORPS Again!".
> Announcement will be made Thiss week!

Barry Branvold

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Leo Schulte
I warn my students about the possibility that "sane people can do
terrible things" and I also warn them about "morality by body count."

The shooter in Virginia seems to have been insane, and therefore his
actions become more comprehensible: but when you look at the 3 worst
killers in human history, all in the 20th century, (Mao, Stalin, and
Hitler), there is little indication that they were clinically insane. We
want to believe that only an insane person can kill so many millions of
people, but while we can agree that the 3 dictators were probably not
normal, they were not insane, i.e. detached from reality by
hallucinations.

In the end killers are killers: the body count and the "reasons" for
their crimes are irrelevant. People still make excuses for Mao and
Stalin: Mao is something of a sainted icon among people who don't know
his crimes.

At such times we see the value of escaping to the Duckburg Universe and
others!
Deanmary
The 2007 Eisner Award nominees were just announced. In the category of "Best Short Story", Don Rosa's, "The Black Knight Glorps Again" was one of the 5 nominees! So much congratulations to Don Rosa and Gemstone for this honor!

Dean Rekich
M.J. Prior
As much as I like and enjoy reading Rosa's stories, I'd
regret to see him get an Eisner Award for "The Black
Knight GLORPS again!", because that's really not one of
his best stories and certainly can't stand up against "A
Matter of Some Gravity" and the Lo$-series, which were
actual Eisner Award winners.

First and foremost, the story is derivative of the earlier
story "The Black Knight", which was better than its
sequel. Secondly, the story can't stand on its own, as it
needs too much explaining about things that happened in
previous stories. I feel the narrative is bogged down by
these explanations.

Thirdly, some of the panels have artwork that really
shouldn't be allowed in comics, especially panel 10.7,
where Miss Quackfaster's hand is cropped off, where Rosa
could have let her point outwards the panel. The middle of
the panel is a big closed door, and the characters are
pushed to the edge of the screen. There should be another
way to show this situation.

Fourthly, the story reuses a Barks character, the museum
director from "The Golden Helmet", who was originally a
sterner and more rounded character, but comes off very
bland in Rosa's story, in which he has only a minor part.

Upon rereading "The Black Knight GLORPS again!" I got a
more favourable impression than I remembered having. It's
an amusing story and it works well once you know where
it's heading. Still, it can be unfavourably compared to so
many other stories that I don't think it would deserve the
Eisner Award for which it's nominated.

If any, Rosa should have the Eisner Award for Cramming the
Highest Possible Amount of Information in Twenty-Five
Pages.

Greetings,

Michiel Prior.
Larry Giver
Nils mentioned several Bark comics with gun violence. It reminded me
that in The Magic Hourglass, 4C291 Sept. 1950, Donald and Huey, Louie and
Dewey were actually hired by the leader of the camel caravan to be riflemen
guards. How old are HDL supposed to be in these stories? On page 16 their
shooting diverts an attack on the caravan by the raiders of No Issa. Huey
actually advises the caravan camel drivers how best to aim at the raiders.
About 8 years ago the Duckhunt website held a contest for writing a duck
story. I won the contest by writing a Rosa-style script sequel to this
Magic Hourglass story I titled "Return to No Issa". I can send a copy via
email to anyone interested.
And another thing I recall about guns: there were advertizements for
rifles is some of the American comics back in the 1950s. Some were just
"BB guns" that shoot pellets by compressed air, but I think some shot small
bullets. I think these advertizements were for ordering by mail delivery.
Best wishes, Larry Giver.
Kriton Kyrimis
MICHIEL:

> As much as I like and enjoy reading Rosa's stories, I'd
> regret to see him get an Eisner Award for "The Black
> Knight GLORPS again!", because that's really not one of
> his best stories

To get the award, the story only needs to be better than the other five
nominated stories, not better than Don's previous stories. I would assume
that, the Eisner award being a prestigious industry award, these six stories
*are* some of the best stories published last year, even if their creators
have produced better stories in the past.

Kriton.
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"To the rational mind nothing is inexplicable--only unexplained."
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Leo Schulte
Greetings!

Concerning toy guns: as an official member of the early Baby Boom generation in America, I admit gladly to playing with toy guns of all kinds and imagining myself as a cowboy, soldier, spaceman etc. in constant conflict with the forces of evil.

This explains why Huey, Dewey, and Louie can nonchalantly be experts in gunmanship and nobody would blink twice at the scene!

I have never owned a real gun in my life, and have no interest in them.

If any "toy gun" shot bullets, they were plastic and came out at low speed. The toy company Mattel had several of these guns (mainly cowboy guns) with spring-loaded bullets. You could also put a "cap" on the end of the "bullet" (it was called a "Stick 'Em Cap") to make it sound like a real gun. For younger and foreign members, a "cap" was a square bit of paper with a tiny charge of gunpowder which made a "pop" when the hammer of a toy gun hit them. You could buy a whole strip of caps which would feed through the gun like paper in a cash register. Usually the strip of caps jammed!

B-B Guns were advertised in comic books, and could be dangerous, since the tiny pellet (B-B) came out at a higher speed than any of the plastic bullets mentioned above. There is a movie from the 1980's called "A Christmas Story" which I highly recommend: it in fact involves the desire of a young boy in the 1950's to receive a B-B rifle for Christmas, and shows childhood in the 1950's in lower-middle-class America in a funny way.

Whether actual guns were really advertised in comic books, I can't say, since I rarely looked at anything except Uncle Scrooge and company. (B-B guns were advertised.) I never wasted my money on "superhero" comics, so maybe they carried such things. But I suspect the Comics Code did not allow that.

You collectors with original issues would be able to prove it one way or the other.

> ----- >
> From: Larry Giver <lgiver at pacbell.net>
> To: dcml at nafsk.se
> Subject: Gun shootings in duck comics
> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 23:21:58 -0700
>
>
> Nils mentioned several Bark comics with gun violence. It
> reminded me that in The Magic Hourglass, 4C291 Sept. 1950, Donald
> and Huey, Louie and Dewey were actually hired by the leader of the
> camel caravan to be riflemen guards. How old are HDL supposed to
> be in these stories? On page 16 their shooting diverts an attack
> on the caravan by the raiders of No Issa. Huey actually advises
> the caravan camel drivers how best to aim at the raiders.
> About 8 years ago the Duckhunt website held a contest for writing
> a duck story. I won the contest by writing a Rosa-style script
> sequel to this Magic Hourglass story I titled "Return to No Issa".
> I can send a copy via email to anyone interested.
> And another thing I recall about guns: there were advertizements
> for rifles is some of the American comics back in the 1950s. Some
> were just "BB guns" that shoot pellets by compressed air, but I
> think some shot small bullets. I think these advertizements were
> for ordering by mail delivery.
> Best wishes, Larry Giver.
>

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Gary Leach
Leo:

> I warn my students about the possibility that "sane people can do
> terrible things" and I also warn them about "morality by body count."

The enormity of the difference between a psychopathic killing spree
(Cho) and cold, calculated genocide (Hitler, Mao, Stalin) is not one
that needs to be elaborated here, but there is one awful similarity:
one human being making the willful decision to cause the suffering of
other human beings. What's truly terrible is how often, in both ways,
it happens.

M.J. Prior:

> If any, Rosa should have the Eisner Award for Cramming the Highest
> Possible Amount of Information in Twenty-Five Pages.

One certainly does get one's money's worth in that respect :-)

Larry:

> Nils mentioned several Bark comics with gun violence. It
> reminded me that in The Magic Hourglass, 4C291 Sept. 1950, Donald
> and Huey, Louie and Dewey were actually hired by the leader of the
> camel caravan to be riflemen guards. How old are HDL supposed to
> be in these stories? On page 16 their shooting diverts an attack
> on the caravan by the raiders of No Issa. Huey actually advises
> the caravan camel drivers how best to aim at the raiders.

Carl Barks, like my own grandparents, grew up in a time and place
where pre-teen kids were expected to be adept at firing and
maintaining the rifles and shotguns commonly found on farms and other
homesteads. And this sensibility was still quite widespread in the
American population when Barks drew The Magic Hourglass. I myself was
eight when my father first took me hunting, and I even had my own
"junior" .22 into the bargain. While I ultimately didn't gravitate to
the "sport", there was nothing unusual at the time I grew up about
getting one's first training in firearms at a fairly early age.

Kriton:

> To get the award, the story only needs to be better than the other
> five
> nominated stories, not better than Don's previous stories. I would
> assume
> that, the Eisner award being a prestigious industry award, these
> six stories *are* some of the best stories published last year,
> even if their creators have produced better stories in the past.

Perfectly true, and a key point that too often gets overlooked.

Gary
M.J. Prior
Kriton Kyrimis:

> To get the award, the story only needs to be better than
> the other five nominated stories, not better than Don's
> previous stories. I would assume that, the Eisner award
> being a prestigious industry award, these six stories
> *are* some of the best stories published last year, even
> if their creators have produced better stories in the
> past.

Still, I don't feel that Don Rosa should have an Award for
*this* particular story, when so many other, *better*
stories didn't get an Award. Does anyone know how many and
which of Rosa's stories were nominated for an Eisner
Award, throughout the years?

"The Black Knight GLORPS again!" is nice, but not great.
It's the only Disney story that got nominated for this
year's Eisner Awards, which suggests that, if nothing
else, it's this year's best Disney story. And *that* would
suggest that this year's Disney stories simply weren't
very great. It would also suggest that most of this year's
short stories weren't very great, either, if "GLORPS" made
it into the top six.

Greetings,

Michiel Prior.
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Sudár Bence
First of all congratulations to Don Rosa!

Michiel Prior:

> Does anyone know how many and which of Rosa's
> stories were nominated for an Eisner Award, throughout the years?

Until now 4 Rosa stories were nominated for an Eisner Award (if you count Life & Times as one): "The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck", "The Universal Solvent", "A Matter of Some Gravity" and "The Black Knight Glorps Again".

The only one Eisner nominated Disney Comic which was not made by Don Rosa is "Horsing Around with History" by Carl Barks and William Van Horn. I made today a list of the Eisner Award nominee and winner Disney writers / artists and anything else related to Disney Comics. Here is the comlete list:

1987
- Hall of Fame: Carl Barks [Inherited from Kirby Awards Hall of Fame] *WINNER*

1993
- Best Archival Collection: Carl Barks Library album series (Gladstone) *WINNER*

1994
- Best Writer/Artist: William Van Horn, for Walt Disney's Comics & Stories (Gladstone); Donald Duck Adventures (Gladstone)
- Best Archival Collection: Carl Barks Library album series, by Carl Barks (Gladstone)

1995
- Best Lettering: Todd Klein, Batman vs. Predator II (DC/Dark Horse); The Demon (DC), Sandman (DC/Vertigo); Uncle Scrooge (Gladstone) *WINNER*
- Best Coloring: Susan Daigle-Leach, Uncle Scrooge (Gladstone)
- Best Continuing Series: Uncle Scrooge, by Don Rosa and others (Gladstone)
- Best Cover Artist: Don Rosa, Uncle Scrooge (Gladstone)
- Best Writer/Artist, Humor: Don Rosa, Uncle Scrooge (Gladstone)
- Best Serialized Story: "The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck" by Don Rosa, Uncle Scrooge #285-296 (Gladstone) *WINNER*

1996
- Best Title for Younger Readers: Uncle Scrooge, by Don Rosa (Gladstone)
- Best Title for Younger Readers: Walt Disney's Comics & Stories, by William Van Horn and others (Gladstone)
- Best Short Story: "Horsing Around with History" by Carl Barks and William Van Horn, in Uncle Scrooge Adventures #33 (Gladstone)

1997
- Best Comics Publication for a Younger Audience: Walt Disney's Comics & Stories, John Clark, ed. (Gladstone)
- Best Serialized Story: "The Universal Solvent" by Don Rosa, in Walt Disney's Comics & Stories #604-606 (Gladstone)
- Best Writer/Artist-Humor: Don Rosa, Walt Disney's Comics & Stories; Uncle Scrooge (Gladstone) *WINNER*

1998
- Best Lettering: Todd Klein, Batman, Batman: Poison Ivy (DC); The Dreaming, House of Secrets, The Invisibles, Uncle Sam (DC/Vertigo); Uncle Scrooge Adventures (Gladstone); Castle Waiting (Olio) *WINNER*
- Best Short Story: "A Matter of Some Gravity" Don Rosa, Walt Disney's Comics & Stories #610 (Gladstone)

2003
- Hall of Fame: Floyd Gottfredson

2004
- Hall of Fame: Floyd Gottfredson
- Best Title for a Younger Audience: Walt Disney's Uncle Scrooge, by various (Gemstone)

2005
-Hall of Fame: Floyd Gottfredson

2006
-Hall of Fame: Floyd Gottfredson *WINNER*

2007
- Best Short Story: "The Black Knight Glorps Again" by Don Rosa, in Uncle Scrooge #354 (Gemstone)

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>
>Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 06:51:53 -0500
>From: "Leo Schulte" <schulte at teacher.com>
>Subject: Re: Off-Topic Thought
>
>....At such times we see the value of escaping to the Duckburg Universe and
>others!

That is very true, and yet I think a lot of what made me the person I am
today (the morals and values I have) came from reading Duck comics
(particularly Barks) as a child, so it's not just an 'escape'.

Mike.
JTorci3511
M.J. Prior wrote:

"Still, I don't feel that Don Rosa should have an Award for
*this* particular story, when so many other, *better*
stories didn't get an Award."

To draw a parallel to animation, weren't there MANY, MANY better Bugs Bunny
cartoons than "Knighty Knight Bugs" -- the only one to win an Oscar? As with
Don Rosa, Friz Freleng directed many Bugs Bunny cartoons that were far
better. Not to mention those by Chuck Jones, Bob Clampett, Robert Mc Kimson, etc.

...But, that's the one that won an Oscar. So, I'm happy that Bugs and
Freleng won an Oscar, even if it wasn't their finest work. And, if Don Rosa wins
an Eisner for "The Black Knight Glorps Again", I will be happy for him and
for Gemstone. If you're a fan of this stuff, I'd think you'd prefer the
Eisner went to Rosa and/or Gemstone than having it go to someone else, under any
circumstance!

Awards work in mysterious ways, so let's enjoy 'em when we can get 'em.

Joe Torcivia

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UNDBKB
Does anyone know how many and
which of Rosa's stories were nominated for an Eisner
Award, throughout the years?

From the Eisner website here are 2 winners followed by nominations that did
not win and who did.
Will Eisner Comic Industry Award:
Summary of Winners

Best Writer/Artist: Humor

? ? ? 1997 Don Rosa, Walt Disney's Comics & Stories; Uncle Scrooge
(Gladstone)

Best Serialized Story

? ? ? 1995 "The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck," by Don Rosa, Uncle Scrooge
#285-296 (Gladstone)

Nominated but did not win:
Best Continuing Series 1995

Bone, by Jeff Smith (Cartoon Books) *

Uncle Scrooge, by Don Rosa and others (Gladstone)

Best Cover Artist 1995

Glenn Fabry, Hellblazer (DC/Vertigo) *

Don Rosa, Uncle Scrooge (Gladstone)

Best Title for Younger Readers 1996

Batman & Robin Adventures, by Paul Dini, Ty Templeton, and Rick Burchett (DC)
*

Uncle Scrooge, by Don Rosa (Gladstone)

Best Serialized Story 1997

Starman #20-23: "Sand and Stars," James Robinson, Tony Harris, Guy Davis, and
Wade von Grawbadger (DC) *

Walt Disney's Comics & Stories #604-606: "The Universal Solvent," Don Rosa
(Gladstone)

Best Short Story 1998

"The Eltingville Comic Book, Science-Fiction, Fantasy, Horror and
Role-Playing Club In: The Marathon Men," Evan Dorkin, Dork! #4 (Slave Labor) *
"A Matter of Some Gravity," Don Rosa, Walt Disney's Comics & Stories #610
(Gladstone)

It may not be a complete list.

Barry Branvold

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Leo Schulte
Greetings!

I wrote earlier:
."...At such times we see the value of escaping to the Duckburg Universe
and
others! "

Mike commented: That is very true, and yet I think a lot of what made me
the person I am today (the morals and values I have) came from reading
Duck comics (particularly Barks) as a child, so it's not just an
'escape'."

I agree with that also most heartily! I hope I did not imply that the
stories were only an escape! Others have commented that there is a very
basic, perhaps even stern, morality subtly portrayed throughout the
stories from Barks, which gives them deeper value, and perhaps is one
reason why they are still around 50-60 years later!
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