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Deanmary
As I am writing this, there is only a little bit of Thanksgiving Day left. Along with many other things, one thing I am thankful for recently is the great discussion here on the DCML about Gemstone's future, what you would like to see Gemstone publish, etc. So big thanks to everyone who has been contributing! And for those who have not written yet, what are you waiting for? :)

Joe wrote, "To Gemstone, itself. Not nearly enough material has come along to replace the four titles we lost one year ago." AMEN to that Joe! While I think we all have some different views on how we would like to see Gemstone proceed in the future, I think about *all* of us agree that we wish Gemstone was publishing more. Hopefully in 2008 there will be more than in 2007, more in 2009 than 2008, etc.

Now though Joe, I will have to disagree with you on a few things. You are a big boy though and I am sure you can handle it. :) I do not think there is any need for TPBs to only be for "special collections". Why can't TPBs be full of an eclectic mix of stories? After all, almost all the titles that Gemstone publishes now and published before are really anthologies filled with more than one story. If a newsstand or prestige title can have a variety of stories, why not a TPB?

Let me put forward a hypothetical scenario. Let's say that Gemstone was publishing US and WDC&S as they do now. However along with the option of buying each for 8 dollars, you could buy the same content under one cover in one TPB for 16 dollars. What would you choose? I can't speak for others, but I know I would gladly choose the 16 dollar TPB that had the same content as the same two 8 dollar prestige titles. I just very much like the TPB format better. To me it is much more attractive and has the bonus of having more heft and looking nice on a shelf.

To tell you the truth, I wouldn't mind a bit if the monthly "pamphlet" comic book was totally replaced by the TPB. While my passion is Disney comics, I also buy some comics from DC and Marvel. So let's say I buy "Superman" every month. If I had the choice of buying 12 monthly issues or 2 or 3 TPBs 2 or 3 times a year, I would gladly pick the 2 or 3 TPBs. Not only would they be in an more attractive format, but it would be nice to read a whole story or big chunk of a story in one volume. Throughout the past 10 or 15 years it seems like the comic book industry is getting more and more comfortable with the TPB format. Will it ever replace monthly comic books? I have no idea. If it did though, I would not be the least bit upset.

Even if you believe TPBs should only be for "special collections", I don't see a dearth of options as you do. In fact, I think there are near *endless* possibilities! We have talked about Barks, Rosa, and Gottfredson libraries. But why would we have to stop there? Why not Van Horn, Vicar, Scarpa, Branca, etc. collections? Just by limiting the TPBs to certain creators there could be TPBs for almost ever! Plus, think of all the topical collections. A collection based on a Disney character, a season of the year, very long stories unsuitable for prestige titles, etc. I agree with what Jonathan wrote that the possibilities of TPBs being almost endless and I am very curious why Gemstone does not print more of them considering Gary, Travis, etc. seem to think highly of them.

I agree with Olivier and Jonathan that while the Barks/Rosa books are nice, I do not find them to be essential, especially since there are *so* many stories we have never gotten the chance to read in North America. However, if Gemstone is going to publish them, why not publish 3 or 4 sets of Barks/Rosa stories in a TPB instead of a basically prestige one-shot? I doubt the people who are buying each Barks/Rosa book (which includes me) would not be just as happy to buy a TPB containing such stories.

One other thing about TPBs: libraries and bookstores are *much* more likely to carry them! I doubt most libraries think the prestige format or even the pocket book titles have the heft or durability of a TPB Where as a TPB is considered much more to be a "book" and thus more suitable for libraries and bookstores.

I am on the same wavelength with others on the seasonal annuals. Not to beat a dead horse, but why not have a TPB "Christmas Parade" and a TPB "Vacation Parade" instead of what is being published now? Not only would you get more stories, but you most likely would get more pages for a lesser price, i.e. more bang for your buck.

While most of the Egmont 3 panel stories were not my favorites, I would have gladly paid for 500 page B/W collections of them. Why? Well, it would be a great deal at the price of say 15 dollars or so. While I would prefer the stories to be in color, B/W would have been acceptable to me. Also, I would have bought these B/W collections if for no other reason than to have kept US and WDC&S clear of them!

As for the Gottfredson Library, some prefer it to be in B/W and some would prefer it to be in color. Everyone that has written though seems more than willing to buy the Library even if it is not in the format of their choice. While I hope the Gottfredson Library will be in color, I will still gladly buy it in B/W.

As far as waiting to publish a Gottfredson Library until *all* stories can be published with *no* censorship, I find that foolhardy. For one thing, while I hope I am wrong, I think such a time may never occur or not for a loooong time. Why wait and not be able to read most of the stories even with some censorship? Secondly, such waiting may just get into a situation where *none* of Gottfredson's stories may be collected in a Library! :( While I would love to have *all* the stories with *no* alterations/censorship, I will gladly take the opportunity to read *most* of his stories with as *little* censorship/alterations as possible.

I think the most important thing I can "write" is to quote what Jonathan said. Jonathan wrote, "I think everyone is in agreement then. We need WANT and WILL buy a third prestige. At this point the schematics of it don't matter. People at Gemstone: HOW DO WE CONVINCE YOU AND WHOM DO WE NEED TO SEND LETTERS TO/EMAIL BOMB/MAIL BRIBERY PACKAGES TO MAKE IT HAPPEN?" I think that is how most or all of us are feeling in regards to this situation and think Jonathan expressed it wonderfully! I hope Gemstone does not see that as a rhetorical question! We REALLY want to know what us fans have to do to get a third prestige title started! Can Gary, Travis, David, etc. tell us what concrete steps we can take to make our voices heard and a third prestige title become a reality? I have written Gemstone expressing my desire for a 3rd prestige title and I am more than willing to do so again. However, it has gotten to the point that many of us are almost if not actually BEGGING for such a title and it does not seem like one is coming anytime soon. If that is the case, can you please tell us *why* a third prestige title is not in the plans? Also, what can we do to change your minds?

Well, I went on too long again, but then when don't I... :) As usual, I would love to hear what others have to think on these topics.

Dean Rekich
David Gerstein
Hey all,

> and I won't be back in the office this week... so I'll have to punt that
> one to David (if he's around). ;)

I'm not at my office, but I've got e-mail access from my laptop at a friend's house. (-:

>> And... does anybody know
>> what Scarpa's story is on the new Christmas Parade?

It's an early collaboration with Guido Martina, "Topolino e le delizie natalizie": http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=I+AO+54051-A

Best, David
Francesco Spreafico
David Gerstein wrote:

> It's an early collaboration with Guido Martina, "Topolino e le
> delizie natalizie": http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=I+AO+54051-A

Thanks, David! Great story... weirdly enough it's been reprinted this month
in Italy too, in the latest issue of I Grandi Classici Disney.

Thanks to Travis too! Your "lens" Gemstone blog is deeply missed!

Best,
Francesco
Leo Schulte
Greetings!

Concerning future products, is it not time - especialy if Mr. Rosa really has retired - to produce The Don Rosa Library for the United States and other English-speaking countries?

Finland's great author could finally be properly honored thereby in his native country!

Best Wishes!

L. Schulte

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Elaine Ramshaw
A few weeks back there was discussion of the story in which Donald was shown
hitting Daisy (a "possessed" Daisy) in a particularly graphic way. I
appreciate the fact that Donald and Daisy are apparently fairly equally
matched physically (ducks' anatomy being different from humans'; men have
*on average* twice the upper body strength of women, though women have more
physical stamina). And I'm aware that in various stories Daisy has hit
Donald. I strongly prefer not to have either hitting the other. Still, I
will say that it is impossible to see any depiction of a male hitting his
girlfriend without that being colored by the social context. The #1 reason
for an American woman to end up in the Emergency Room is being injured by
her husband/boyfriend. Needless to say, the reverse is not the case (though
of course, there are women who abuse men or other women--and women do most
of the child abuse). We have not yet gotten over the effects of centuries
(millenia!) of explicit societal endorsement of the right of men to
physically abuse "their" women. If Daisy hits Donald, my reaction is that it
is Not Funny, and a sign of lazy writing, and that it makes her thoroughly
unlikeable. If Donald hits Daisy, it makes me sick to my stomach. It "breaks
frame" for me, takes me out of the comic's world--I can't help but think of
all those women in the Emergency Room, or in their grave. And I should add,
I have had *no* direct personal experience with domestic violence.

Elaine Ramshaw
Elaine Ramshaw
As a lector fanaticus, I would buy whatever Gemstone produced, with the
exception of almost anything that was mostly Mickey. (Sorry, but Mickey's
never become ensconced in my mind as a living character, and there are only
half a dozen Mickey stories that I've kept to re-read.) As I've said before,
if a third prestige title were at least half ducks, I would buy it. For me,
the main advantage of a third prestige title would be that WDCS could have
more variety--though that would be a much greater advantage, in my view, if
Gemstone could publish Mad Madam Mim stories!

But I'd prefer more TPBs, on the whole. TPBs are a better value, have room
for stuff (including essays) that wouldn't fit in a monthly prestige comic,
and store better on bookshelves. I very much like John Lustig's suggestions
of thematic TPBs. To his list of themes I'd add pirates (oh, how I'd love to
have Ringtail van Dukke in a TPB!), ghosts (another chance for Ringtail!),
undersea adventures, and dogs (Barko, Bornworthy/Bolivar, and Snozzie, as
well as Scamp and Pluto). The birthday volume is a fine idea; not only might
it work well from a marketing angle, but it would be an opportunity to
reprint Rosa's The Duck Who Never Was (which has only been printed in a
stapled comic in the USA) and his Triple Distelfink (ripe for re-printing,
since the original USA prestige-comic printing of it is very hard to get).
[Though I have to admit that The Duck Who Never Was is not a good story for
a lector tiro; it's only hilarious if you are already familiar with Donald's
world.] Could a TPB of lighthouse stories somehow be marketed to the host of
lighthouse enthusiasts in the USA? Would the Lighthouse Depot catalog carry
it? (I bet they would!) I have to think that oodles of said lighthouse
enthusiasts would buy such a volume for the grandkids (esp. since there
aren't a lot of lighthouse-related gifts that would interest children). Two
of Barks's lighthouse stories are Christmas stories; that could help in such
marketing.

In the space aliens TPB, I want to see the Gilbert/WVH "Hail the Conquering
Loser!" along with some of the obvious Barks stories and Rosa's varmints.

On the seasonal titles: I also feel that Vacation Parade and Christmas
Parade work better as themed collections than Spring Fever, though I do buy
the latter (and pass it on to kids). I know my friend Lowell Handy has long
agitated for a Halloween annual, but personally I'm content to have the
Halloween-related stories in the October WDCS (and sometimes U$). I liked
the Disney Company's Autumn Adventures better than most of what they
produced, but I wouldn't argue strongly for reviving it. Though it's true
that Americans are spending more and more money on Halloween-related
stuff--so perhaps a Halloween-themed TPB (ghosts, monsters, or there could
be one with just stories that are actually set at Halloween) would sell
well.

(Here's a trivia question for all you folks: How many inventions has Gyro
come up with to address the leaf-raking issue? In what stories? I'm aware of
at least three different ones....)

Though I think that the themed TPBs are a better bet to attract the lector
tiro than the "collected works" TPBs, as a lector fanaticus I'm looking
forward to the Jippes TPBs. And unlike some of you, I'm one of the people
who are exceedingly happy to have the Barks/Rosa specials. Yes, I would have
bought TPBs collecting all the Barks original/Rosa sequel pairs; but in this
case, I actually prefer to have the pairs of long U$/DD adventures available
individually.

Elaine Ramshaw
Marco Barlotti
"Leo Schulte" <schulte at teacher.com> wrote:

> if Mr. Rosa really has retired

Retired? Don? When? Why? How? No, please tell me that's NOT true...
Aaaaaaaaarrrrggghhhhhhh.... :-(

Marco

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Olaf.Solstrand
Leo Schulte wrote:
>> if Mr. Rosa really has retired

Marco Barlotti wrote:
> Retired? Don? When? Why? How? No, please tell me that's NOT true...
> Aaaaaaaaarrrrggghhhhhhh.... :-(

... and it's hard to join that debate without speculating, but here's my
two cents anyway.

Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary defines retirement as "to withdraw
from one's position or occupation : conclude one's working or professional
career". So; if it can be said that Don Rosa has withdrawn from his
occupation, then he has retired.

But which occupation are we talking about? Rosa is a freelancer. The
occupation we all love him for, consists mostly of sitting in his own home
drawing. And by doing that, the borders of retirement gets somewhat
fuzzier. I mean, hey, what conditions have to occur before we can say that
a freelancer has retired?

It's not like we can say "Well, Rosa must be retired, as he no longer
comes in to the Egmont building every morning to write new comics". Rosa
never worked in the Egmont building (what a commute that would have
been!), and as a freelancer, it's not like he's really an employee of
Egmont either. If one wants to ask Rosa's boss "Hey, has Don Rosa
retired?"... Well, they would have to ask Rosa himself. He is his own
boss.

"Sure," one might say, "but Rosa hasn't written a story in two and a half
years, that must mean he's retired, right?". It could mean that. It could
also mean that he's taking a break. Or, it could mean that he's still
working actively, but on other projects than writing comics. He's spent
some time drawing up those anniversary posters, and a probably still
increasing part of Don's work day goes, from what I've heard, to writing
prefaces, lawsuits, conventions and other not-actually-drawing projects.
That's not really retirement, is it? Heck, for all that *I* know, he's
working on a new story right now!

Okay, I understand that the question comes up every now and then. Don Rosa
is probably THE most popular Disney artist of today, and as far as the
fans know, he hasn't made any new stories since "The prisoner of White
Agony Creek", and it's been a while since he gave the public a definite
answer to whether or not he ever will write a story again. I understand
that some people based on that draw the assumption that he's probably
chosen to retire.

But only one person can answer for sure whether or not Rosa has retired,
and that is Rosa himself. And I, for one, will *never* ask him that
question. It can be a very tough question to answer, if the question even
*has* an answer. Because the minute a freelancer speaks out loud the words
"I'm retired"... They're hard to take back. Maybe Rosa will write a new
story soon, maybe he won't. Until that story comes, or until Rosa himself
says out loud "I'm not going to create any new stories in the future",
none of us can know for sure.

Personally, I hope it won't be too long until we get new stories from
Rosa's hands (preferrably a new ten-pager, as that's an area I find him to
be extremely talented at), but it's up to Don Rosa whether that ever
happens or not, and whatever he's doing, it's probably a wise choice. If
Rosa wants to prioritize other projects, then that's the best thing he
could do. If Rosa is sick and tired of writing comics and needs a break
from it all, then we know for sure that he will write much better stories
*after* the break than if he should sit down and create a story just to
satisfy the fans. If Rosa feels that it's time to retire, that's a choice
I respect. If Rosa feels that it's time to retire but NOT time to tell the
fans that he's retired, as he wants to keep the door open, that's a choice
I respect even more. And if Rosa creates a new story soon, and he does
that not only to satisfy readers and publishers, but because he WANTS to
create comics -- I guarantee that I will read it, that I will read it
again, and that I will laugh out loud several times per panel.

And after all; most sources will probably tell you that Carl Barks
"retired" in 1967. But he still made twenty-something more stories after
that, didn't he?

--
Olaf Moriarty Solstrand
Leo Schulte
Marco wrote:

Retired? Don? When? Why? How? No, please tell me that's NOT true...
Aaaaaaaaarrrrggghhhhhhh.... :-(

Marco

Perhaps he is just taking a rest? How long has it been since a new story
was published? Is anyone keeping track?

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Olaf Moriarty Solstrand
Leo Schulte wrote:

> How long has it been since a new story [by Don Rosa]
> was published? Is anyone keeping track?

"The prisoner of White Agony Creek" was first published in the Finnish Aku
Ankka weeklies #18-20/2006 (starting May 3rd according to INDUCKS). In
Scandinavia it was first published in the Donald Duck weeklies #22-24/2006
(part one on the shelves May 29th), and in the USA the story premiered in
the "Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck Companion", released in September
2006.

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Olaf Moriarty Solstrand
UNDBKB
> if Mr. Rosa really has retired
> Marco writes
> Retired? Don? When? Why? How? No, please tell me that's NOT true...
> Aaaaaaaaarrrrggghhhhhhh.... :-(
>
> According to Don he has NOT retired.
He attends shows and he was just in Finland for a big signing.
He is doing lots of art, he just has not done a story lately.

Barry

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Stefan Diös
I'd just like to compliment Olaf Solstrand on his very good post
about Don Rosa's alleged "retirement". It should be saved and
reposted every time this kind of question comes up.

Stefan Dios
Bromma, Sweden
Marco Barlotti
Barry wrote:

> He attends shows and he was just in Finland for a big signing.
> He is doing lots of art, he just has not done a story lately.
>

Indeed. That is what I was hoping to read. But even more: I hoped Don
would sit down at his PC and write a message saying: "Don't worry, I
didn't retire, in fact I'm actually working at <insert subject here>..."
Oh, well...

Marco
Olaf Moriarty Solstrand
Hi all,

if anyone here knows how to read Norwegian, and is interested in reading a
Christmas story for free (legal, even), here's your chance, but it's only
good for a few days, so hurry.

Since 2005, Norwegians Tormod L?kling (former DD editor) and Arild Midthun
(Disney artist) have drawn a series of 24 Christmas-themed strips a year.
These are distributed through Bulls so that any newspaper interested can
print the story December 1st-24th. A Christmas calendar in comics!

Last year, I decided to buy the rights to print these strips on my
homepage. It wasn't exactly a smashing success (for several reasons, e.g.
one of Norway's biggest newspapers decided to start in advance and print
the December 1st strip November 28th, so the story wasn't really that
interesting when I published them on schedule 2-3 days later), but: I
still had a license to publish Disney comics on my web site, so of course
I did so.

That licence lasted a year, so now it's about to expire -- but all the
strips are still available online for two more days, if anyone's
interested.

You find them all here:
http://www.andebyonline.com/jul2006/

Olaf
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