Keskustelujen arkisto

Hi

Wow. It must be a couple of decades since I last posted here. Even so, this feels somewhat sad as I really enjoyed this list back in the days. But the world has moved on, and the decision is a natural one.

Thank you ever so much for managing this list for all these years. It really made a difference when it comes to information and discussions about Disney comics.

Regards
Halsten

>-----Original Message-----
>From: DCML <dcml-bounces at nafsk.se> On Behalf Of Per Starb?ck
>Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2024 6:20 PM
>To: dcml at nafsk.se
>Subject: It is time!
>
>Hello everyone who is still here!
>
>After a long time with very low traffic it is time to finally terminate this mailing
>list.
>
>The date set is August 3 this summer.
>
>As most of you probably remember I am the one who created and managed
>this mailing list from the start. I wrote a couple of test messages before adding
>the addresses of interested people I had corresponded with and who had said
>they wanted to be part of such a mailing list.
>Then 3 August 1992 I sent the first real message, which is archived
>here:
>
>https://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/1992-August/000002.html
>
>Few of you were part of this from the very beginning, but more and more
>Disney comics fans got access to email and got to know about the list, and
>joined.
>
>A prolific time for the mailing list started which gave me a lot of pleasure (and
>a lot of information). I find it almost hard now to remember how it was then
>after various problems later with the list, and then the list being dormant for so
>long. But it was really something totally different then; fun and important for
>me and others, connections and friendships were made, and I want to thank
>all of you old-timers who made it what it was back then! (It would be too hard
>to decide where to draw the line on who to mention, so I'll mention no names
>at all.)
>
>Back in 2006 when things were not so great anymore, and my interest in Disney
>comics was at a temporary low, I handed over the list to NAFS(k), the "National
>Donaldist Society of Sweden (quack)" as a way to continue the list.
>
>Here is my announcement in 2006 about the transfer, from the list archives:
>
>https://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/2006-March/023998.html
>
>I was active in NAFS(k) myself and continued to be part of the 'DCML team',
>but not alone anymore. I thought I was going to quit that totally after some
>time of overlapping with new people, but actually I never did, so I have
>continued to filter spam sent to the list etc.
>during the long time of low list activity. Just a couple of years ago I finally
>transferred the old web pages associated with the list which were (somewhat
>'forgotten') still at my old university department from which I earlier had
>handled the list (the impetus was that I was quitting that job).
>
>Anyway, recently I suggested to the board of NAFS(k) that we should finally
>discontinue the list, and they agreed. It doesn't take a lot of resources to
>continue to manage it, but it seems rather pointless, and if someone new finds
>it and joins now they will probably just be dissatisfied when they find out there
>is no activity here.
>
>The date for termination is set to the 'birthday' of the list, August 3, so that the
>list becomes 32 years old ? quite a respectable age for a mailing list!
>
>The list *archive* is a treasure which surely will be kept. There is a lot to be
>found there, and it should continue to be a valuable resource at least for
>anyone interested in Disney comics fandom during that time. There have been
>loose plans to convert the archive to a nicer format. That will not happen soon
>at least, but chances for that will at least somewhat improve after the
>shutdown of the list, since it makes it easier to handle it when not new
>incoming messages have to be taken into account.
>
>I will end this announcement with the same .sig quote I used back then.
>
>--
>Per Starb?ck
> "Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
>_______________________________________________
>https://nafsk.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml

Every once in a while, an email came to me from this list and I enjoyed reading it.

I am not a huge follower of all things Disney but I definitely enjoy Barks/Rosa/etc.. work with Uncle Scrooge.
To this day I still have not acquired a Carl Barks oil painting for obvious reasons ($$$$).

I have given almost all my Disney comics away to children over the years and all I am left with is a handful of random issues that I have read so many times before. My 12 year old son prefers Pokemon over comic books even though I still try every once in a while with him. Sad that direct sales to comic book stores have basically made finding Disney comics impossible in most US stores, gas stations, etc... One has to make specific trips or online purchases just for a chance to acquire the material.

It will most likely take a special talent to give new life to these characters here in the USA if Disney even allows it to happen. Respecting the past while introducing fresh stories to appear. Anime/manga seems to have that special thing going on right now for current generations. Something Disney has lost or gave up on. Who knows if political correctness could even allow a 1940s style cartoon short to even be shown in a movie theater now days with comedy only allowed if done a certain way.

Thank you for maintaining this list for all these years. Times change I suppose.

Matt

-----Original Message-----
From: DCML <dcml-bounces at nafsk.se> On Behalf Of Halsten Jarle Aasteb?l
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2024 2:47 PM
To: Per Starb?ck <per.starback at gmail.com>; dcml at nafsk.se
Subject: RE: It is time!

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Hi

Wow. It must be a couple of decades since I last posted here. Even so, this feels somewhat sad as I really enjoyed this list back in the days. But the world has moved on, and the decision is a natural one.

Thank you ever so much for managing this list for all these years. It really made a difference when it comes to information and discussions about Disney comics.

Regards
Halsten

>-----Original Message-----
>From: DCML <dcml-bounces at nafsk.se> On Behalf Of Per Starb?ck
>Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2024 6:20 PM
>To: dcml at nafsk.se
>Subject: It is time!
>
>Hello everyone who is still here!
>
>After a long time with very low traffic it is time to finally terminate
>this mailing list.
>
>The date set is August 3 this summer.
>
>As most of you probably remember I am the one who created and managed
>this mailing list from the start. I wrote a couple of test messages
>before adding the addresses of interested people I had corresponded
>with and who had said they wanted to be part of such a mailing list.
>Then 3 August 1992 I sent the first real message, which is archived
>here:
>
>https://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/1992-August/000002.html
>
>Few of you were part of this from the very beginning, but more and more
>Disney comics fans got access to email and got to know about the list,
>and joined.
>
>A prolific time for the mailing list started which gave me a lot of
>pleasure (and a lot of information). I find it almost hard now to
>remember how it was then after various problems later with the list,
>and then the list being dormant for so long. But it was really
>something totally different then; fun and important for me and others,
>connections and friendships were made, and I want to thank all of you
>old-timers who made it what it was back then! (It would be too hard to
>decide where to draw the line on who to mention, so I'll mention no
>names at all.)
>
>Back in 2006 when things were not so great anymore, and my interest in
>Disney comics was at a temporary low, I handed over the list to
>NAFS(k), the "National Donaldist Society of Sweden (quack)" as a way to continue the list.
>
>Here is my announcement in 2006 about the transfer, from the list archives:
>
>https://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/2006-March/023998.html
>
>I was active in NAFS(k) myself and continued to be part of the 'DCML
>team', but not alone anymore. I thought I was going to quit that
>totally after some time of overlapping with new people, but actually I
>never did, so I have continued to filter spam sent to the list etc.
>during the long time of low list activity. Just a couple of years ago I
>finally transferred the old web pages associated with the list which
>were (somewhat
>'forgotten') still at my old university department from which I earlier
>had handled the list (the impetus was that I was quitting that job).
>
>Anyway, recently I suggested to the board of NAFS(k) that we should
>finally discontinue the list, and they agreed. It doesn't take a lot of
>resources to continue to manage it, but it seems rather pointless, and
>if someone new finds it and joins now they will probably just be
>dissatisfied when they find out there is no activity here.
>
>The date for termination is set to the 'birthday' of the list, August
>3, so that the list becomes 32 years old ? quite a respectable age for a mailing list!
>
>The list *archive* is a treasure which surely will be kept. There is a
>lot to be found there, and it should continue to be a valuable resource
>at least for anyone interested in Disney comics fandom during that
>time. There have been loose plans to convert the archive to a nicer
>format. That will not happen soon at least, but chances for that will
>at least somewhat improve after the shutdown of the list, since it
>makes it easier to handle it when not new incoming messages have to be taken into account.
>
>I will end this announcement with the same .sig quote I used back then.
>
>--
>Per Starb?ck
> "Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
>_______________________________________________
>https://nafsk.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml
_______________________________________________
https://nafsk.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml

Hi,

On 2024-06-19 18:20 +0200, Per Starb?ck wrote:
> Hello everyone who is still here!
>
> After a long time with very low traffic it is time to finally
> terminate this mailing list.
>
> The date set is August 3 this summer.
>
[...]
> Few of you were part of this from the very beginning, but more and
> more Disney comics fans got access to email and got to know about the
> list, and joined.
[...]
> Anyway, recently I suggested to the board of NAFS(k) that we should
> finally discontinue the list, and they agreed. It doesn't take a lot
> of resources to continue to manage it, but it seems rather pointless,
> and if someone new finds it and joins now they will probably just be
> dissatisfied when they find out there is no activity here.
>
> The date for termination is set to the 'birthday' of the list, August
> 3, so that the list becomes 32 years old ? quite a respectable age for
> a mailing list!

I'm saddened to hear (read) this. While I've never been much active in
this list (I wish I had found more topics to write about :-)), it was
happy that once in a while something related to Disney Comics would
reach my mailbox via the DCML.

Personally, this is perhaps the best medium I can think of for this kind
of discussion group. Without the list, the closest one I can think of
would be network news with USENET. (If anyone here knows of an existing
USENET group for disney comics, please let me know about it!)

(And I'm not saying it'd be a replacement, I'm sure there will be people
who are following the list by mail but who aren't able or don't want to
follow a group on USENET. (And that's okay!))

(A small note might sadly be necessary here: USENET is a text discussion
medium, sadly it has also been (ab)used for file sharing. This means
it's possible some of you might have only heard of the second use of
USENET. But there's a whole world outside of "binary" groups, and
nowadays, access usually has to be done via free servers that only carry
the text groups anyway.)

Outside of text-based mediums that don't rely on the web (which are the
ones I prefer), I've been playing a bit with the fediverse via Mastodon
(mostly an experiment, it has, in my opinion, some shortcomings and I'm
still not sure I'll be using it long-term): there I follow the
#DisneyComics hashtag.

> The list *archive* is a treasure which surely will be kept. There is a
> lot to be found there, and it should continue to be a valuable
> resource at least for anyone interested in Disney comics fandom during
> that time. [...]

Definitely :-)

> I will end this announcement with the same .sig quote I used back
> then.

Huge thanks to you and to everyone else involved in running DCML through
the years, and to all who posted to and/or read the list. It has been
great to have the list around for so long!

> --
> Per Starb?ck
> "Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
> _______________________________________________
> https://nafsk.se/mailman/listinfo/dcml

--
Nuno Silva

I hadn't realized it has been this long. I believe I've been on this list since the nineties, probably for most of those 32 years (if a bit silent).

It was fun, it was informative, it was great!

Thank you for this list, Per, and thank you people who were here and made the list.

I'm remembering several names, but won't mention them, so I won't let others out.

All the best to all.

Cheers from Brazil,
Elon

Per, Frank and all:

Frank said:
> This is a pity although it is difficult to argue against this decision. Fond memories of the friendships made on this list during the 1990s when it was the centre of gravity of Disney comicsology (at least for me).

This list, first for the international community it fostered and secondarily for its spawning of the Inducks, has been invaluable to the perpetuation and preservation of Disney comics as an art form - an incredibly important accomplishment, Per.

(And Frank, and Harry, and anyone else reading. The DCML changed my life and career?)

> Many thanks to you and to all who contributed. And yes, please do preserve the archive and leave it accessible, if at all possible!

It's in the spirit of our list, and of the Inducks, to keep the archive available. Some of us have archives of DCML digests that aren't accessible from the main archive now (I personally have 1992-1998); I wonder if we can add them to whatever eventually evolves?

Warm wishes, David

--
David Gerstein
ramapith at gmail.com

Sigh. This brings me sadness, although I certainly understand the desire to close the list. I still have three boxes of Donald Duck comics (Barks) that date mostly to the 1940's and 50's, along with the letter Barks wrote to my dad back in the 60's. I'd always thought that this group would help to guide me in my disposal of them. I am, after all, 67 and won't be here forever. Oh, and there is also a small drawing that Barks personalized to my dad, "Quack, quack, Professor Burnett. Remember when Donald looked like this?" These have been family heirlooms, read and reread, and read again during my youth.

Thanks to all for the companionship over the years!

Lynne
-------------------- From: "Gilles GARRIGUES" To: Sent: June 21, 2024 at 4:04 AM CDT Subject: Re: It is time! Hi all, hi Per,DCML was a great adventure. Thank you for this wonderful idea. I don't remeber exactly when I joined this list but it was around 20 years ago.I discovered that many other mad people in the world had the same fandom as mine for Disney Comics.I learned a lot reading this list.I remember the time when I was impatient to be back home to read the daily digest.I took great pleasure reading DCML.The only thing I can sincerely say now is "tack!"Gilles

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Hello,

As someone who never happened to participate in the list (I subscribed
in 2011,
long past its heyday, when forums like DCF were far more popular), I'm
still sad to
hear about the closure, though it makes sense. I always enjoyed reading and
researching through the archives and am glad that they will remain
accessible
and may even be augmented with the missing years of the 90s.

DCML seemed to embody the spirit of the open Internet, fostering and
organizing
a very strong community worldwide for a somewhat niche hobby, who managed
to create impressive endeavors like Inducks, building friendships,
getting in touch
and conversing with existing creators that seemed faraway and, I dare to
say,
perhaps even inspiring newer creators for a time.

I know for a fact that without DCML / Inducks my interest in Disney
comics would
have dwindled a long time ago. Instead, they became a fixture of my life
that
I always seem to come back to, even with periodic breaks. And it's
always fun to
unexpectedly discover that other people in real life share the same
passion for them!

So, thank you, Per, for creating the list in the first place!

Slightly offtopic, but for completeness, I'll add that Fran?ois has uploaded
an archive of the Disney Comics Forum (2007?2015) here:
https://inducks.org/fr/richard/dcf/

There was also an IRC Inducks server, that was still slightly active in
2014-2015,
when I happened to connect there. I suppose it was decommissioned around
2017,
when the COA subdomain was retired.

The current English-language places where Disney comics aficionados seem to
hang around are the Feathery Society forum and the Inducks Discord server.

(P.S.: Ten years ago, I created the /r/DisneyComics subreddit, but after
a while,
I stopped logging to that site. If anyone is interested in moderating
it, contact me,
although I'm not sure if there's a point; apparently Reddit's mostly
American demographics are not interested in our hobby).

Kind regards,
Spyros

???? 19/6/2024 7:20 ?.?., ?/? Per Starb?ck ??????:
> Hello everyone who is still here!
>
> After a long time with very low traffic it is time to finally
> terminate this mailing list.
>
> The date set is August 3 this summer.
>
> As most of you probably remember I am the one who created and managed
> this mailing list from the start. I wrote a couple of test messages
> before adding the addresses of interested people I had corresponded
> with and who had said they wanted to be part of such a mailing list.
> Then 3 August 1992 I sent the first real message, which is archived
> here:
>
> https://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/1992-August/000002.html
>
> Few of you were part of this from the very beginning, but more and
> more Disney comics fans got access to email and got to know about the
> list, and joined.
>
> A prolific time for the mailing list started which gave me a lot of
> pleasure (and a lot of information). I find it almost hard now to
> remember how it was then after various problems later with the list,
> and then the list being dormant for so long. But it was really
> something totally different then; fun and important for me and others,
> connections and friendships were made, and I want to thank all of you
> old-timers who made it what it was back then! (It would be too hard to
> decide where to draw the line on who to mention, so I'll mention no
> names at all.)
>
> Back in 2006 when things were not so great anymore, and my interest in
> Disney comics was at a temporary low, I handed over the list to
> NAFS(k), the "National Donaldist Society of Sweden (quack)" as a way
> to continue the list.
>
> Here is my announcement in 2006 about the transfer, from the list archives:
>
> https://nafsk.se/pipermail/dcml/2006-March/023998.html
>
> I was active in NAFS(k) myself and continued to be part of the 'DCML
> team', but not alone anymore. I thought I was going to quit that
> totally after some time of overlapping with new people, but actually I
> never did, so I have continued to filter spam sent to the list etc.
> during the long time of low list activity. Just a couple of years ago
> I finally transferred the old web pages associated with the list which
> were (somewhat 'forgotten') still at my old university department from
> which I earlier had handled the list (the impetus was that I was
> quitting that job).
>
> Anyway, recently I suggested to the board of NAFS(k) that we should
> finally discontinue the list, and they agreed. It doesn't take a lot
> of resources to continue to manage it, but it seems rather pointless,
> and if someone new finds it and joins now they will probably just be
> dissatisfied when they find out there is no activity here.
>
> The date for termination is set to the 'birthday' of the list, August
> 3, so that the list becomes 32 years old ? quite a respectable age for
> a mailing list!
>
> The list *archive* is a treasure which surely will be kept. There is a
> lot to be found there, and it should continue to be a valuable
> resource at least for anyone interested in Disney comics fandom during
> that time. There have been loose plans to convert the archive to a
> nicer format. That will not happen soon at least, but chances for that
> will at least somewhat improve after the shutdown of the list, since
> it makes it easier to handle it when not new incoming messages have to
> be taken into account.
>
> I will end this announcement with the same .sig quote I used back then.
>