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Topic: Did Carl Barks make Flintheart Dutch (or with a Dutch ancestry)?

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Quackberg
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I noticed on Carl Barks oil painting, "July Fourth in Duckburg", that Flintheart Glomgold is holding a flag that looks like the Netherland's flag with horizontal stripes and with red, white and blue colors. Don Rosa made Flinty a boer and that make sense to me. Boers where partly Dutch, German, and French. Which of these is the Glomgold family part of? I think that he is of Dutch orgin (like Cornelius Coot, but I don't think that they are related in any way) and I wonder if that Carl Barks intended him to be?
Of course, it could also be the old South African flag that Flinty is holding with the colors of orange, white and blue. To me it's looks more like red than orange. One other thing is that it looks like that there is some kind of symbol in the middle of the flag, just like the old South African flag. I think it's intended to be this flag but we can still speculate.
What do you think?
Robb_K
Quote from user: Quackberghttp://digilander.libero.it/carlbarks1/july_fourth_in_duckburg.jpg

I noticed on Carl Barks oil painting, "July Fourth in Duckburg", that Flintheart Glomgold is holding a flag that looks like the Netherland's flag with horizontal stripes and with red, white and blue colors. Don Rosa made Flinty a boer and that make sense to me. Boers where partly Dutch, German, and French. Which of these is the Glomgold family part of? I think that he is of Dutch orgin (like Cornelius Coot, but I don't think that they are related in any way) and I wonder if that Carl Barks intended him to be?

Of course, it could also be the old South African flag that Flinty is holding with the colors of orange, white and blue. To me it's looks more like red than orange. One other thing is that it looks like that there is some kind of symbol in the middle of the flag, just like the old South African flag. I think it's intended to be this flag but we can still speculate.

What do you think?

It is the old flag of The Union of South Africa. It was only to show That Glomgold came from South Africa. As to his ancestry, I suspect that Glomgold's heritage (at least on his father's side) was English South African, rather than Dutch, as no self-respecting Afrikaaner would end up with an English name. If he had come from Afrikaander stock, his name would have been spelt thusly: "Goudgrijp", or something similar (or Goudglans as it is in The Netherlands). Did Glomgold speak with an Afrikaans accent on the English-language version of Ducktales. It seems to me that he had a Scots brogue. He wears a tam 'o shanter for a hat. So, I suspect that he is an English speaking South African, with Scots ancestry.
Roger North
I always thought that Flintheart was Scottish and then emigrated to South Africa like Scrooge emigrated to America even though the name Glomgold doesn't sound Scottish. Maybe he was born in the Netherlands. It's a mystery where Flintheart's birthplace was.
Lars Jensen
According to http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=D++5952 , Flintheart's grandfather was a hansom cab driver in London. So my guess (incorporating Barks, Wejp-Olsen/Anderson/Branca and DuckTales) is that the Glomgold family originally lived in Scotland, then moved to London, England... and then moved to South Africa.
Quackberg
Well, you all have a good point that he is of scottish ancestry; the name is one thing, as Robb_K said, and according to stories. I actually start to change my mind... Perhaps, as you already has said, that Flintheart's orgin start in England/Scotland then moved to South Africa but I think that Flintheart was born in South Africa and therefore he don't speak with that heavy scottish accent that he does in DuckTales. Don Rosa said that he was a boer and I only knew that they consisted of Dutch, French and Germans but I looked it up and found that there where also alot more groups in the Boer community, like Scots and Englishmen. So perhaps he has a orgin of a Scottish Boer when the Glomgold's settled in South Africa?
Two questions to Lars Jensen: What happend to Flintheart's grandfather in that story, and what ancestry is Slackjaw Snorehead of, perhaps that could give some light to Flinheart's ancestry?
Lars Jensen
Quote from user: QuackbergTwo questions to Lars Jensen: What happend to Flintheart's grandfather in that story, and what ancestry is Slackjaw Snorehead of, perhaps that could give some light to Flinheart's ancestry?
Nothing really happened to the grandfather; he drove a hansom cab in London in the late 19th century, and we didn't learn much more. And I haven't given much thought to Slackjaw's ancestry other than the fact that he is Flinty's nephew.
Robb_K
Quote from user: Lars JensenAccording to http://coa.inducks.org/story.php/x/D++5952 , Flintheart's grandfather was a hansom cab driver in London. So my guess (incorporating Barks, Wejp-Olsen/Anderson/Branca and DuckTales) is that the Glomgold family originally lived in Scotland, then moved to London, England... and then moved to South Africa.
That sounds the most logical. Lots of people migrated from Scotland, Wales, Ireland and northern England to London to look for work. Lots of British people migrated to South Africa to better their fortunes. The fact that Glomgold wore the Scots Tam-O-Shanter, and was stingy, like Scrooge, shows the likelihood of Scots ancestry. Some English married into Boer families, and a few nmigrated to The Transvaal and Orange Free State.
Quackberg
Quote from user: Lars JensenNothing really happened to the grandfather; he drove a hansom cab in London in the late 19th century, and we didn't learn much more. And I haven't given much thought to Slackjaw's ancestry other than the fact that he is Flinty's nephew.
Ok, I have always wanted to read that story to but never got a hold of it and as I said to you once before; I would love to see Slackjaw reappear in a comic sometime, and perhaps introduce more of the Snorehead famliy to annoy Flintheart (or perhaps not, because somehow I see it like that Flinty and Slacky are the only one left within the Glomgold/Snorehead family).
WB
Here's an off topic question - can't remember if I asked it before or not: Why the change from Slackjaw Snoremore to Slackjaw Snorehead. Snoremore just rolls off the tongue way better than the current name does.
Lars Jensen
Quote from user: Robb_KQuote from user: Lars JensenAccording to http://coa.inducks.org/story.php/x/D++5952 , Flintheart's grandfather was a hansom cab driver in London. So my guess (incorporating Barks, Wejp-Olsen/Anderson/Branca and DuckTales) is that the Glomgold family originally lived in Scotland, then moved to London, England... and then moved to South Africa.
That sounds the most logical. Lots of people migrated from Scotland, Wales, Ireland and northern England to London to look for work. Lots of British people migrated to South Africa to better their fortunes. The fact that Glomgold wore the Scots Tam-O-Shanter, and was stingy, like Scrooge, shows the likelihood of Scots ancestry. Some English married into Boer families, and a few nmigrated to The Transvaal and Orange Free State.

Yeah, I agree. It makes sense, it incorporates what we know about Flintheart's family, and it doesn't contradict any stories (as far as I know). In http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=D+99285 we learned that Flintheart is distantly related to Scrooge, and even that fact fits neatly into this theory.

Quote from user: Quackberg[...] as I said to you once before; I would love to see Slackjaw reappear in a comic sometime, and perhaps introduce more of the Snorehead famliy to annoy Flintheart (or perhaps not, because somehow I see it like that Flinty and Slacky are the only one left within the Glomgold/Snorehead family).
Slackjaw might show up again, but I have a lot of other stories I'd like to do as well. Let's see how things develop.

Quote from user: WBHere's an off topic question - can't remember if I asked it before or not: Why the change from Slackjaw Snoremore to Slackjaw Snorehead. Snoremore just rolls off the tongue way better than the current name does.
"Slackjaw Snorehead" is the name I came up with. Gemstone wanted to give him the last name "Snoremore"... and then changed their mind.

And I agree that "Snoremore" rolls off the tongue better than "Snorehead" -- but I disliked the overall effect of "Slackjaw Snoremore". First there is the alliteration of S and S... and then we have the rhyming "Snore" and "more"! It would be like having a character named "Dan Duckluck". "Dan Duck" would be fine, "Hieronymus Duckluck" would be fine as well... but "Dan Duckluck" simply is too much. In my opinion, anyway.

I'm glad they in the end went with "Slackjaw Snorehead".
Robb_K
I'm not so sure that I like Scrooge and Glomgold related to each other. I think I'd have preferred that Glomgold had falsified his claim to that inheritance.
Roger North
Well Robb comic books are about using your imagination. If Scrooge and Flintheart are related it's more of a distant cousin level than anything else.
Quackberg
I have red that story, but I don't think that the McDucks and the Glomgolds are related. The two families has the closest connection to eachother via the McDivots because that they married in to that family. In that story Scrooge and Flintheart are the only "close" relatives left to a Scotsman named Bogey McDivot and the person that wins a golf round will inherit the McDivot "treasure". It's not said how Flintheart and Scrooge is related in that story and they argue that they are not. Although, at the end, Donald says (after that both hears that the treasure is not gold and they faints): "If they aren't related I'm Mickey Mouse!" (Translated from the Swedish version)
Roger North
Just Because Scrooge and Flintheart have a mutual relative doesn't mean they are related to each other. I'm pretty sure that Bogey McDivot had a relative that married one of Scrooge's relatives and another one that married one of Flintheart's relatives.
Robb_K
Quote from user: Roger NorthJust Because Scrooge and Flintheart have a mutual relative doesn't mean they are related to each other. I'm pretty sure that Bogey McDivot had a relative that married one of Scrooge's relatives and another one that married one of Flintheart's relatives.
True. But for them each to be first in line from their respective married-in sides is too close for my tastes. I don't want to think that the Glomgolds and McDucks socialised within the same circles.
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