Quote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: MorequackIt has become my observation from visiting this forum during the past year or so that quite a number of the regular posters seem to resent Don Rosa and or his work. They take every opportunity to diminish his creative achievements and his epic storytelling and drawing style?that which so many fans around the world hold to be overwhelmingly their favorite since Carl Barks. At first I tried to ignore or deny this phenomenon. But it has become increasingly obvious. Now, I suppose this is OK since we are all entitled to hold to our personal opinions. But these folks should not be too surprised at having been presented the opposite side of the coin than the one they recognize.
Many of these are legitimate Duck artists themselves, others are wannabes. Is it envy, frustration? Whatever it is, it strikes me as self-indulgent. It has been suggested that as professional Disney creators within the circle they are destined to know that which the average lay fan cannot. If one finds Rosa's work *better* there had better be a qualifying testament accompanying the declaration and the pertinent *facts* had better be put forth.
These individuals obviously have a passion for Duck stories?as we all here do?and a knowledge of the history and of the art, and some have great talent of their own. But might as they try they cannot hope to preach persuasions to the loving fans?for whom the Duck Universe was created?regarding their favorite son. We know what we like. And we are legion.
Sources for all of this, please?
Umm, sources for... what exactly? My observations regarding the pervading criticisms of Rosa's work in this forum? Well, I don't believe it's something that I'm making up. And several other posters here as well as on the DCML seem to concur with me on this. Actually, I don't see how one can deny it, but such is the nature of things political?as they seem to be here. Nonetheless, I don't exactly have the time nor the desire to read over dozens and dozens of previous posts to weed out sources. As I mentioned before this forum is not a court of law in which I'm assigned the burden of proving a case beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm just stating my perceptions such as they are. But if you must, you may take post #42 as the most recent example at hand?People's Exhibit #42, if you will.
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Topic: The Amazing Stories of No-more
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Morequack
The Amazing Stories of No-more
Message 46 -
2008-05-15 at 04:43:32
Marcus
The Amazing Stories of No-more
Message 47 -
2008-05-15 at 07:28:24
Morequack:
I didn't dimnish Rosas creative achievements or his epic storytelling. Just told that I'm fed up with him taking so much more space than I think he deserves and that a lot duck fans seem to think that the rules that Rosa has set for his stories (like having every story set in the 50's) should work for all other writers as well, otherwise they aren't considered as "real" stories.
And yes, I think that the hype around Barks is too big also, but his works are foundations from where many other artists and writers have taken their inspiration, therefore it's more natural to bring him up to compare his works with other's.
I didn't dimnish Rosas creative achievements or his epic storytelling. Just told that I'm fed up with him taking so much more space than I think he deserves and that a lot duck fans seem to think that the rules that Rosa has set for his stories (like having every story set in the 50's) should work for all other writers as well, otherwise they aren't considered as "real" stories.
And yes, I think that the hype around Barks is too big also, but his works are foundations from where many other artists and writers have taken their inspiration, therefore it's more natural to bring him up to compare his works with other's.
Lars Jensen
The Amazing Stories of No-more
Message 48 -
2008-05-15 at 17:50:46
Quote from user: MorequackQuote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: MorequackIt has become my observation from visiting this forum during the past year or so that quite a number of the regular posters seem to resent Don Rosa and or his work. They take every opportunity to diminish his creative achievements and his epic storytelling and drawing style?that which so many fans around the world hold to be overwhelmingly their favorite since Carl Barks. At first I tried to ignore or deny this phenomenon. But it has become increasingly obvious. Now, I suppose this is OK since we are all entitled to hold to our personal opinions. But these folks should not be too surprised at having been presented the opposite side of the coin than the one they recognize.
Many of these are legitimate Duck artists themselves, others are wannabes. Is it envy, frustration? Whatever it is, it strikes me as self-indulgent. It has been suggested that as professional Disney creators within the circle they are destined to know that which the average lay fan cannot. If one finds Rosa's work *better* there had better be a qualifying testament accompanying the declaration and the pertinent *facts* had better be put forth.
These individuals obviously have a passion for Duck stories?as we all here do?and a knowledge of the history and of the art, and some have great talent of their own. But might as they try they cannot hope to preach persuasions to the loving fans?for whom the Duck Universe was created?regarding their favorite son. We know what we like. And we are legion.
Sources for all of this, please?
Umm, sources for... what exactly?
Let's see now...
1. "quite a number of the regular posters seem to resent Don Rosa and or his work." Which posters are you thinking of? Please tell me, because I honestly can't figure out who you are referring to. If you feel uncomfortable naming names in public, you can send me a private message. Preferably with links to the posts in question.
2. "They take every opportunity to diminish his creative achievements and his epic storytelling and drawing style". Again, which posters are you thinking of? Feel free to send me a private message, if you prefer that, preferably with links to these posts.
3. "[...] that which so many fans around the world hold to be overwhelmingly their favorite since Carl Barks." What's your source? Well, OK... A better question would be: "How do you define 'many'?"
4. "[...] these folks should not be too surprised at having been presented the opposite side of the coin than the one they recognize." I haven't seen anyone here be surprised when Rosa fans state their love of Don Rosa. More frustrated that it is stated over and over and over (sometimes in a heavy-handed way, sometimes in a way that is condescending towards other creators), even when that particular love is totally irrelevant for the discussion on hand. What's your source for this surprise? Feel free etc.
5. "Many of these are legitimate Duck artists themselves". Assuming you're thinking of creators, rather than artists, I can only think of three Disney creators on this board: David Gerstein, Rob Klein and me. Now, I *know* you can't be referring to me, because I haven't made a single post on this board where I've diminished Rosa's achievements, his storytelling or his drawing style. So who are you referring to? David or Rob? Both of them? And what's your source? Again, feel free etc.
6. "[...] others are wannabes. Is it envy, frustration? Whatever it is, it strikes me as self-indulgent." Stating it this way implies that one or both of these are indeed the reason(s) why these current or wanna-be Duck artists may dislike Rosa's stories. So what's your source? As usual, feel free etc.
7. "But might as they try they cannot hope to preach persuasions to the loving fans?for whom the Duck Universe was created?regarding their favorite son. We know what we like. And we are legion." I haven't seen anyone trying to tell you that it is *wrong* to prefer (or to only like) Don Rosa. What's your source? Feel free... Well, you know the rest. (And Long Live the Legion.)
Regarding a few other quotes of yours:
"It has been suggested that as professional Disney creators within the circle they are destined to know that which the average lay fan cannot."
It has nothing to do with destiny or being "within the circle". It has to do with the job. Someone who works as a winemaker most likely knows more about winemaking than someone who doesn't work in winemaking. Same with brain surgeons, truckers, gardeners, pilots, train engineers, teachers etc. I hoped that was obvious.
"If one finds Rosa's work *better* there had better be a qualifying testament accompanying the declaration and the pertinent *facts* had better be put forth."
Assuming this is a reference to my earlier post, this is sheer manipulation of what I wrote, and you (should) know it.
Let me be very clear... On message boards, and in real-life situations, there are certain commonly accepted rules for communication. Let me give you a few examples:
1. Saying "I like Don Rosa, period" is OK. It's not condusive to discussion, but it's OK.
2. Saying "I like Don Rosa", and then explaining *why* one likes Don Rosa, is great. This opens the floor for discussion between people who like Don and people who don't. And perhaps both sides can end up learning something from the other side's point of view.
3. Saying "You don't like Don Rosa, but I'm not gonna prove it with any kind of verifiable source material" is *not* OK. Especially if the people called out deny they dislike Rosa. This is where the *facts* come in. If you're going to accuse someone, you'd better be able to prove it. Otherwise, this is a misstatement of other people's opinions, and no one is going to take you seriously. And it makes discussion impossible.
In most of this thread, you've gone with communication methods 1 (which is OK, but non-condusive to discussion) and 3 (which, unless it can be backed up, misstates other people's opinions). You didn't try to use method 2 until post #38 (which I actually found pretty informative). And as you well know, I never ordered you to use method 2 -- I merely suggested it might be a good idea to *explain* why you like Don Rosa.
Quote from user: MorequackMy observations regarding the pervading criticisms of Rosa's work in this forum? Well, I don't believe it's something that I'm making up.
Great. I'm looking forward to seeing those sources.
Quote from user: MorequackAnd several other posters here as well as on the DCML seem to concur with me on this.
Names?
Quote from user: MorequackActually, I don't see how one can deny it, but such is the nature of things political?as they seem to be here.
"Political"? Because some posters don't like the behavior of some Rosa fans?
Quote from user: MorequackNonetheless, I don't exactly have the time nor the desire to read over dozens and dozens of previous posts to weed out sources. As I mentioned before this forum is not a court of law in which I'm assigned the burden of proving a case beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm just stating my perceptions such as they are.
Argh! I only read these sentences now. OK, I guess no sources are forthcoming, then. And "perceptions" isn't really good enough for me, I'm afraid.
Quote from user: MorequackBut if you must, you may take post #42 as the most recent example at hand?People's Exhibit #42, if you will.
A post that starts with "Firstly I must say that I really appreciate Don Rosa's works, I don't think he's the greatest artist, but I really like the stories he has done" is indicative of envy, frustration and self-indulgent resentment of Don Rosa and/or his work?!? I really hope you're kidding.
Many of these are legitimate Duck artists themselves, others are wannabes. Is it envy, frustration? Whatever it is, it strikes me as self-indulgent. It has been suggested that as professional Disney creators within the circle they are destined to know that which the average lay fan cannot. If one finds Rosa's work *better* there had better be a qualifying testament accompanying the declaration and the pertinent *facts* had better be put forth.
These individuals obviously have a passion for Duck stories?as we all here do?and a knowledge of the history and of the art, and some have great talent of their own. But might as they try they cannot hope to preach persuasions to the loving fans?for whom the Duck Universe was created?regarding their favorite son. We know what we like. And we are legion.
Sources for all of this, please?
Umm, sources for... what exactly?
Let's see now...
1. "quite a number of the regular posters seem to resent Don Rosa and or his work." Which posters are you thinking of? Please tell me, because I honestly can't figure out who you are referring to. If you feel uncomfortable naming names in public, you can send me a private message. Preferably with links to the posts in question.
2. "They take every opportunity to diminish his creative achievements and his epic storytelling and drawing style". Again, which posters are you thinking of? Feel free to send me a private message, if you prefer that, preferably with links to these posts.
3. "[...] that which so many fans around the world hold to be overwhelmingly their favorite since Carl Barks." What's your source? Well, OK... A better question would be: "How do you define 'many'?"
4. "[...] these folks should not be too surprised at having been presented the opposite side of the coin than the one they recognize." I haven't seen anyone here be surprised when Rosa fans state their love of Don Rosa. More frustrated that it is stated over and over and over (sometimes in a heavy-handed way, sometimes in a way that is condescending towards other creators), even when that particular love is totally irrelevant for the discussion on hand. What's your source for this surprise? Feel free etc.
5. "Many of these are legitimate Duck artists themselves". Assuming you're thinking of creators, rather than artists, I can only think of three Disney creators on this board: David Gerstein, Rob Klein and me. Now, I *know* you can't be referring to me, because I haven't made a single post on this board where I've diminished Rosa's achievements, his storytelling or his drawing style. So who are you referring to? David or Rob? Both of them? And what's your source? Again, feel free etc.
6. "[...] others are wannabes. Is it envy, frustration? Whatever it is, it strikes me as self-indulgent." Stating it this way implies that one or both of these are indeed the reason(s) why these current or wanna-be Duck artists may dislike Rosa's stories. So what's your source? As usual, feel free etc.
7. "But might as they try they cannot hope to preach persuasions to the loving fans?for whom the Duck Universe was created?regarding their favorite son. We know what we like. And we are legion." I haven't seen anyone trying to tell you that it is *wrong* to prefer (or to only like) Don Rosa. What's your source? Feel free... Well, you know the rest. (And Long Live the Legion.)
Regarding a few other quotes of yours:
"It has been suggested that as professional Disney creators within the circle they are destined to know that which the average lay fan cannot."
It has nothing to do with destiny or being "within the circle". It has to do with the job. Someone who works as a winemaker most likely knows more about winemaking than someone who doesn't work in winemaking. Same with brain surgeons, truckers, gardeners, pilots, train engineers, teachers etc. I hoped that was obvious.
"If one finds Rosa's work *better* there had better be a qualifying testament accompanying the declaration and the pertinent *facts* had better be put forth."
Assuming this is a reference to my earlier post, this is sheer manipulation of what I wrote, and you (should) know it.
Let me be very clear... On message boards, and in real-life situations, there are certain commonly accepted rules for communication. Let me give you a few examples:
1. Saying "I like Don Rosa, period" is OK. It's not condusive to discussion, but it's OK.
2. Saying "I like Don Rosa", and then explaining *why* one likes Don Rosa, is great. This opens the floor for discussion between people who like Don and people who don't. And perhaps both sides can end up learning something from the other side's point of view.
3. Saying "You don't like Don Rosa, but I'm not gonna prove it with any kind of verifiable source material" is *not* OK. Especially if the people called out deny they dislike Rosa. This is where the *facts* come in. If you're going to accuse someone, you'd better be able to prove it. Otherwise, this is a misstatement of other people's opinions, and no one is going to take you seriously. And it makes discussion impossible.
In most of this thread, you've gone with communication methods 1 (which is OK, but non-condusive to discussion) and 3 (which, unless it can be backed up, misstates other people's opinions). You didn't try to use method 2 until post #38 (which I actually found pretty informative). And as you well know, I never ordered you to use method 2 -- I merely suggested it might be a good idea to *explain* why you like Don Rosa.
Quote from user: MorequackMy observations regarding the pervading criticisms of Rosa's work in this forum? Well, I don't believe it's something that I'm making up.
Great. I'm looking forward to seeing those sources.
Quote from user: MorequackAnd several other posters here as well as on the DCML seem to concur with me on this.
Names?
Quote from user: MorequackActually, I don't see how one can deny it, but such is the nature of things political?as they seem to be here.
"Political"? Because some posters don't like the behavior of some Rosa fans?
Quote from user: MorequackNonetheless, I don't exactly have the time nor the desire to read over dozens and dozens of previous posts to weed out sources. As I mentioned before this forum is not a court of law in which I'm assigned the burden of proving a case beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm just stating my perceptions such as they are.
Argh! I only read these sentences now. OK, I guess no sources are forthcoming, then. And "perceptions" isn't really good enough for me, I'm afraid.
Quote from user: MorequackBut if you must, you may take post #42 as the most recent example at hand?People's Exhibit #42, if you will.
A post that starts with "Firstly I must say that I really appreciate Don Rosa's works, I don't think he's the greatest artist, but I really like the stories he has done" is indicative of envy, frustration and self-indulgent resentment of Don Rosa and/or his work?!? I really hope you're kidding.
Morequack
The Amazing Stories of No-more
Message 49 -
2008-05-15 at 18:17:30
Quote from user: MarcusMorequack:
I didn't dimnish Rosas creative achievements or his epic storytelling.
... I'm [just] fed up with him taking so much more space than I think he deserves ...
I see these two thoughts as contradictory to one another. If one believes that Don Rosa does not deserve the "space" that the majority have bestowed upon him then one is indeed diminishing Don Rosa's merits as a matter of opinion. And that's OK, whatever works for that person. I'm simply implying that if there are some who feel this way, there are many more others who do not, and we who are confident in our fandom find ourselves perhaps a little tired of being admonished that our exuberant applause for our favorite is imprudent or uneducated.
'We don't need no education. We don't need no thought control...' to borrow from Pink Floyd.
I'm a firm believer in putting all personal biases aside and striving to give the "Devil" his due.
I didn't dimnish Rosas creative achievements or his epic storytelling.
... I'm [just] fed up with him taking so much more space than I think he deserves ...
I see these two thoughts as contradictory to one another. If one believes that Don Rosa does not deserve the "space" that the majority have bestowed upon him then one is indeed diminishing Don Rosa's merits as a matter of opinion. And that's OK, whatever works for that person. I'm simply implying that if there are some who feel this way, there are many more others who do not, and we who are confident in our fandom find ourselves perhaps a little tired of being admonished that our exuberant applause for our favorite is imprudent or uneducated.
'We don't need no education. We don't need no thought control...' to borrow from Pink Floyd.
I'm a firm believer in putting all personal biases aside and striving to give the "Devil" his due.
Roger North
The Amazing Stories of No-more
Message 50 -
2008-05-15 at 19:32:35
Morequack you're quoting Pink Floyd on a Disney Comics Forum? Although I do agree with you that Don Rosa is a good artist. In fact he is the modern equivalent to Carl Barks.
Anemo
The Amazing Stories of No-more
Message 51 -
2008-05-15 at 23:20:43
I wouldn't say there will be no more amazing duck stories after Don Rosa's retirement. There are a lot of other good writers and artists who present good duck stories and art. I can only look forward to them.
There was Carl Barks. People liked his stories but there were also other good duck artists during his time too. When Uncle Carl passed away, Don Rosa came into the picture. People liked his stories too but he wasn't Carl Barks. Don Rosa tells and draws his stories using his own style. Don Rosa is Don Rosa. Other duck artists find inspiration from these two men. They may not be Carl Barks or Don Rosa and I believe they don't want to be a Barks or Rosa clone. They wish to tell unique fresh stories according to their own style.
People come and go but some are not forgotten. Time changes... and a change is good...
Just my humble opinion.
There was Carl Barks. People liked his stories but there were also other good duck artists during his time too. When Uncle Carl passed away, Don Rosa came into the picture. People liked his stories too but he wasn't Carl Barks. Don Rosa tells and draws his stories using his own style. Don Rosa is Don Rosa. Other duck artists find inspiration from these two men. They may not be Carl Barks or Don Rosa and I believe they don't want to be a Barks or Rosa clone. They wish to tell unique fresh stories according to their own style.
People come and go but some are not forgotten. Time changes... and a change is good...
Just my humble opinion.
LadyQuackly
The Amazing Stories of No-more
Message 52 -
2008-05-16 at 00:08:01
I've read all these threads here, and just want to put in my own lucky dime's worth. ;)
First, I have to say that I ADORE the work of Don Rosa---it's thanks to him that I now have "The Life and Times of $crooge McDuck" (as well as its companion pieces) as a very special part of my life. :) My only gripe is, I'm not too keen about the way he depicts Ludwig von Drake (but then, I'm spoiled by the work of Tony Strobl); but then, Rosa is the one who came up with that delightful theory of Ludwig marrying Matilda McDuck---so with that, LTo$ and all his other fun comics, Rosa can do no wrong in my
eyes. :)
However, I'm every bit as fond of Carl Barks (of blessed memory), Scarpa and the other artists---as well as whoever the cartoonist is that does the Brazilian edition, Tio Patinhas. Maybe Rosa stands out because he gave such a powerful history to Scrooge and his family, and even designed the stories so adults could appreciate them as well (yet still make them fitting for a younger audience).
At the risk of sounding selfish, maybe my greatest regret about Rosa's (apparent) retirement is this:
that we may never get any closure about Scrooge's sister Hortense. On the other hand, this leaves
many an theory to fanfiction writers...
First, I have to say that I ADORE the work of Don Rosa---it's thanks to him that I now have "The Life and Times of $crooge McDuck" (as well as its companion pieces) as a very special part of my life. :) My only gripe is, I'm not too keen about the way he depicts Ludwig von Drake (but then, I'm spoiled by the work of Tony Strobl); but then, Rosa is the one who came up with that delightful theory of Ludwig marrying Matilda McDuck---so with that, LTo$ and all his other fun comics, Rosa can do no wrong in my
eyes. :)
However, I'm every bit as fond of Carl Barks (of blessed memory), Scarpa and the other artists---as well as whoever the cartoonist is that does the Brazilian edition, Tio Patinhas. Maybe Rosa stands out because he gave such a powerful history to Scrooge and his family, and even designed the stories so adults could appreciate them as well (yet still make them fitting for a younger audience).
At the risk of sounding selfish, maybe my greatest regret about Rosa's (apparent) retirement is this:
that we may never get any closure about Scrooge's sister Hortense. On the other hand, this leaves
many an theory to fanfiction writers...
LadyQuackly
The Amazing Stories of No-more
Message 53 -
2008-05-16 at 00:10:49
Quote from user: LadyQuacklyI've read all these threads here, and just want to put in my own lucky dime's worth. ;)
First, I have to say that I ADORE the work of Don Rosa---it's thanks to him that I now have "The Life and Times of $crooge McDuck" (as well as its companion pieces) as a very special part of my life. :) My only gripe is, I'm not too keen about the way he depicts Ludwig von Drake (but then, I'm spoiled by the work of Tony Strobl); but then, Rosa is the one who came up with that delightful theory of Ludwig marrying Matilda McDuck---so with that, LTo$ and all his other fun comics, Rosa can do no wrong in my
eyes. :)
However, I'm every bit as fond of Carl Barks (of blessed memory), Scarpa and the other artists---as well as whoever the cartoonist is that does the Brazilian edition, Tio Patinhas. Maybe Rosa stands out because he gave such a powerful history to Scrooge and his family, and even designed the stories so adults could appreciate them as well (yet still make them fitting for a younger audience).
At the risk of sounding selfish, maybe my greatest regret about Rosa's (apparent) retirement is this:
that we may never get any closure about Scrooge's sister Hortense. On the other hand, this leaves
many an theory to fanfiction writers...
DOH! When will I learn to proofread? :) I said "but then" twice, and forgot to add: "...this leaves many an OPEN theory to fanfiction writers..."
First, I have to say that I ADORE the work of Don Rosa---it's thanks to him that I now have "The Life and Times of $crooge McDuck" (as well as its companion pieces) as a very special part of my life. :) My only gripe is, I'm not too keen about the way he depicts Ludwig von Drake (but then, I'm spoiled by the work of Tony Strobl); but then, Rosa is the one who came up with that delightful theory of Ludwig marrying Matilda McDuck---so with that, LTo$ and all his other fun comics, Rosa can do no wrong in my
eyes. :)
However, I'm every bit as fond of Carl Barks (of blessed memory), Scarpa and the other artists---as well as whoever the cartoonist is that does the Brazilian edition, Tio Patinhas. Maybe Rosa stands out because he gave such a powerful history to Scrooge and his family, and even designed the stories so adults could appreciate them as well (yet still make them fitting for a younger audience).
At the risk of sounding selfish, maybe my greatest regret about Rosa's (apparent) retirement is this:
that we may never get any closure about Scrooge's sister Hortense. On the other hand, this leaves
many an theory to fanfiction writers...
DOH! When will I learn to proofread? :) I said "but then" twice, and forgot to add: "...this leaves many an OPEN theory to fanfiction writers..."
Cacou
The Amazing Stories of No-more
Message 54 -
2008-05-16 at 07:48:01
Of all the Disney comics fans I met, from different countries, everywhere I've seen people who dislike Don Rosa's work (I insist that this is the *work* they dislike). One thing I know for sure, this is not envy or self frustration. Don Rosa has his very own way of writing and drawing a Duck story, that may be very far from what people perceive to be the duck world. It seems to me that "new" fans tend to appreciate Rosa more, for instance. I'd be curious to know if you guys are long-time fans, and if you "started" with Don Rosa or Barks?
To be honest, I like Rosa's up to the late 90s (even though I'd prefer less detail in the artwork, but that's a minor point). At some point, I felt a bit annoyed by some aspects in Donald and Scrooge's personality. Donald seemed too much like a not-very-wise duck constantly outsmarted by Scrooge. Then, in the very recent stories, I find the Scrooge-Goldie relationship, and the reasons for US not to go with Goldie, extremely strange actually. Scrooge is obsessed with money, sometimes selfish, but he is bold and not arrogant or frustrated, as he almost seems to be here.
To be honest, I like Rosa's up to the late 90s (even though I'd prefer less detail in the artwork, but that's a minor point). At some point, I felt a bit annoyed by some aspects in Donald and Scrooge's personality. Donald seemed too much like a not-very-wise duck constantly outsmarted by Scrooge. Then, in the very recent stories, I find the Scrooge-Goldie relationship, and the reasons for US not to go with Goldie, extremely strange actually. Scrooge is obsessed with money, sometimes selfish, but he is bold and not arrogant or frustrated, as he almost seems to be here.
Marcus
The Amazing Stories of No-more
Message 55 -
2008-05-16 at 16:01:40
Quote from user: MorequackQuote from user: MarcusMorequack:
I didn't dimnish Rosas creative achievements or his epic storytelling.
... I'm [just] fed up with him taking so much more space than I think he deserves ...
I see these two thoughts as contradictory to one another. If one believes that Don Rosa does not deserve the "space" that the majority have bestowed upon him then one is indeed diminishing Don Rosa's merits as a matter of opinion.
Well, that's your interpretation of what I've written. I don't really see the point of discussing things when you seem to know what I think better than I do.
cacou: I'm grown up with the Rosa stories, I had his Donald Duck family tree on my wall and it's probably because of him that the first word I could spell (after my own name of course) was "anka" (the swedish word for duck).
I didn't dimnish Rosas creative achievements or his epic storytelling.
... I'm [just] fed up with him taking so much more space than I think he deserves ...
I see these two thoughts as contradictory to one another. If one believes that Don Rosa does not deserve the "space" that the majority have bestowed upon him then one is indeed diminishing Don Rosa's merits as a matter of opinion.
Well, that's your interpretation of what I've written. I don't really see the point of discussing things when you seem to know what I think better than I do.
cacou: I'm grown up with the Rosa stories, I had his Donald Duck family tree on my wall and it's probably because of him that the first word I could spell (after my own name of course) was "anka" (the swedish word for duck).
LadyQuackly
The Amazing Stories of No-more
Message 56 -
2008-05-16 at 16:21:31
Quote from user: cacouOf all the Disney comics fans I met, from different countries, everywhere I've seen people who dislike Don Rosa's work (I insist that this is the *work* they dislike). One thing I know for sure, this is not envy or self frustration. Don Rosa has his very own way of writing and drawing a Duck story, that may be very far from what people perceive to be the duck world. It seems to me that "new" fans tend to appreciate Rosa more, for instance. I'd be curious to know if you guys are long-time fans, and if you "started" with Don Rosa or Barks?
To be honest, I like Rosa's up to the late 90s (even though I'd prefer less detail in the artwork, but that's a minor point). At some point, I felt a bit annoyed by some aspects in Donald and Scrooge's personality. Donald seemed too much like a not-very-wise duck constantly outsmarted by Scrooge. Then, in the very recent stories, I find the Scrooge-Goldie relationship, and the reasons for US not to go with Goldie, extremely strange actually. Scrooge is obsessed with money, sometimes selfish, but he is bold and not arrogant or frustrated, as he almost seems to be here.
I understand your feelings, cacou. While I'm a Don Rosa fan, I'm not sure if I'm a purist---at least, not
a complete one. I'm pretty open to other artists' interpretations of Scrooge and the Duck characters,
and really enjoy seeing a variety of versions.
I started reading Disney comics back in the Sixties, when they had those delightful little books "Walt
Disney's Comics and Stories" (and the big comics were TWENTY-FIVE CENTS---read it and weep! :( ). I'm trying to remember the artist who did the Scrooge comics in those days; it might have been Barks, but it could also have been Tony Strobl. One thing's for sure: I wish I still had those books!
To be honest, I like Rosa's up to the late 90s (even though I'd prefer less detail in the artwork, but that's a minor point). At some point, I felt a bit annoyed by some aspects in Donald and Scrooge's personality. Donald seemed too much like a not-very-wise duck constantly outsmarted by Scrooge. Then, in the very recent stories, I find the Scrooge-Goldie relationship, and the reasons for US not to go with Goldie, extremely strange actually. Scrooge is obsessed with money, sometimes selfish, but he is bold and not arrogant or frustrated, as he almost seems to be here.
I understand your feelings, cacou. While I'm a Don Rosa fan, I'm not sure if I'm a purist---at least, not
a complete one. I'm pretty open to other artists' interpretations of Scrooge and the Duck characters,
and really enjoy seeing a variety of versions.
I started reading Disney comics back in the Sixties, when they had those delightful little books "Walt
Disney's Comics and Stories" (and the big comics were TWENTY-FIVE CENTS---read it and weep! :( ). I'm trying to remember the artist who did the Scrooge comics in those days; it might have been Barks, but it could also have been Tony Strobl. One thing's for sure: I wish I still had those books!
Morequack
The Amazing Stories of No-more
Message 57 -
2008-05-16 at 16:49:47
Quote from user: cacouOf all the Disney comics fans I met, from different countries, everywhere I've seen people who dislike Don Rosa's work (I insist that this is the *work* they dislike). One thing I know for sure, this is not envy or self frustration. Don Rosa has his very own way of writing and drawing a Duck story, that may be very far from what people perceive to be the duck world. It seems to me that "new" fans tend to appreciate Rosa more, for instance. I'd be curious to know if you guys are long-time fans, and if you "started" with Don Rosa or Barks?
As a child in the late 60s I read works from Barks, Strobl, Murry (MM), Scarpa and other Italians working during the 50s and 60s. I pretty much dropped out from reading Disney comics during the dismal years of the 70s. Then in the 90s, my passion was re-kindled when I discovered by chance that Duck comics were once again being published in the U.S. Enter the historic age of Keno Don Rosa.
As a child in the late 60s I read works from Barks, Strobl, Murry (MM), Scarpa and other Italians working during the 50s and 60s. I pretty much dropped out from reading Disney comics during the dismal years of the 70s. Then in the 90s, my passion was re-kindled when I discovered by chance that Duck comics were once again being published in the U.S. Enter the historic age of Keno Don Rosa.
Hedberg
The Amazing Stories of No-more
Message 58 -
2008-05-16 at 19:22:48
Me, I grew up with Barks, Murry, Strobl, Gottfredson etc. so my reference is the ducks and mice of that age. Because of life, I went out of this universe for a decade or more (about the time when the Pocket Books came) but started up again some ten years ago.
Been buying Disneystuff when reprints, or even better, when oldies comes as first editions, but alongside I also discovered Don Rosa.
I admit that he is somewhat true to Barks, but then again he sometimes interpretates U$ or Donald in a way that I dont agree with.
This could be me stagnating or Don being to bold - I wouldn't know?!
I admire his work - many lines drawn - and what I understand of it, it's hard work for Don...
Looking foreward to see him in Copenhagen!
Been buying Disneystuff when reprints, or even better, when oldies comes as first editions, but alongside I also discovered Don Rosa.
I admit that he is somewhat true to Barks, but then again he sometimes interpretates U$ or Donald in a way that I dont agree with.
This could be me stagnating or Don being to bold - I wouldn't know?!
I admire his work - many lines drawn - and what I understand of it, it's hard work for Don...
Looking foreward to see him in Copenhagen!
Morequack
The Amazing Stories of No-more
Message 59 -
2008-05-16 at 20:14:24
Quote from user: HedbergBeen buying Disneystuff when reprints, or even better, when oldies comes as first editions, but alongside I also discovered Don Rosa.
I admit that he is somewhat true to Barks, but then again he sometimes interpretates U$ or Donald in a way that I dont agree with.
This could be me stagnating or Don being to bold - I wouldn't know?!
I admire his work - many lines drawn - and what I understand of it, it's hard work for Don...
Consider what the Uncle Scrooge issues of #219 and onward would be like without Rosa's stories.
I admit that he is somewhat true to Barks, but then again he sometimes interpretates U$ or Donald in a way that I dont agree with.
This could be me stagnating or Don being to bold - I wouldn't know?!
I admire his work - many lines drawn - and what I understand of it, it's hard work for Don...
Consider what the Uncle Scrooge issues of #219 and onward would be like without Rosa's stories.
Morequack
The Amazing Stories of No-more
Message 60 -
2008-06-08 at 02:49:01
In praise of Don Rosa, by Todd Klein: http://kleinletters.com/Blog/?p=1246
Well said, Todd!
Well said, Todd!