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RancidDuck
Ducktales TV Series
Message 1 -
2008-03-08 at 13:46:53
This is one of those things you just have to let out. I just watched the Ducktales episode, "The Uncrashable Hindentanic." Two times in this cartoon they used "when turkeys fly", the same way you would use "when pigs fly." I know for a fact that wild turkeys do fly. They are a little slow on takeoff, but they can fly. This will give kids who watch this false information. I know, it is no big deal, but it just kept nagging at me and I had to let someone know. Sorry to waste space for a little irritation of mine. But, why not use it to talk about any other episodes or the whole series.
Robb_K
Ducktales TV Series
Message 2 -
2008-03-08 at 20:50:08
I grieve with you. But that's typical of television. They don't have money to pay a story research staff (or a special story editor) to check on such things. Most TV story editors don't have encyclopaedic knowledge. From what I see, most children, growing up today are more specialised than we were, and have a lot less "general knowledge".
In any case, multi million dollar films which DID have historical research staffs often made grievous errors. All of the religious films depicting The Children of Israel or Egyptians riding on camels before 1000 BC are inaccurate. The camel was domesticated in The Near East around 900 BC. The same is true for showing people riding horses in Mesopotamia in Sumerian or Akkadian times. The horse was domesticated in Central Asia between 1900 and 1700 BC, but didn't arrive into Mesopotamia until about 1600 BC., and only then, in the hands of barbarian invaders.
Worse yet, even when the researches do a good job, and the producer, writers, director and others agree that the "truth" should be portrayed, often the financial backers of the film think changing the truth to make the film more interesting or action-packed or fitting clichés better, will demand that the historical accuracy be scrapped. And, thus, the film becomes inaccurate.
In any case, multi million dollar films which DID have historical research staffs often made grievous errors. All of the religious films depicting The Children of Israel or Egyptians riding on camels before 1000 BC are inaccurate. The camel was domesticated in The Near East around 900 BC. The same is true for showing people riding horses in Mesopotamia in Sumerian or Akkadian times. The horse was domesticated in Central Asia between 1900 and 1700 BC, but didn't arrive into Mesopotamia until about 1600 BC., and only then, in the hands of barbarian invaders.
Worse yet, even when the researches do a good job, and the producer, writers, director and others agree that the "truth" should be portrayed, often the financial backers of the film think changing the truth to make the film more interesting or action-packed or fitting clichés better, will demand that the historical accuracy be scrapped. And, thus, the film becomes inaccurate.
Scroodude
Ducktales TV Series
Message 3 -
2008-03-11 at 01:08:08
To be fair, even Rosa's research can be off once in a blue moon. "Treasury of Croesus," states that Croesus invented the first coinage. According to Wikipedia, though the first coins were in fact Lydian, they were invented not by Croesus, but by King Alyattes. FWIW though, I'll admit I never knew there was an actual King Midas before this story.
Robb_K
Ducktales TV Series
Message 4 -
2008-03-11 at 02:07:07
Quote from user: ScroodudeTo be fair, even Rosa's research can be off once in a blue moon. "Treasury of Croesus," states that Croesus invented the first coinage. According to Wikipedia, though the first coins were in fact Lydian, they were invented not by Croesus, but by King Alyattes. FWIW though, I'll admit I never knew there was an actual King Midas before this story.
Yes, the legendary King Midas was cross-referenced in an actual historical find, a Lydian Kings list, listing a "Mitas" (English phonetic spelling: Mee-Tass), who would have ruled some time during the 6th Century B.C. I think the list was on a royal historical tablet in a dig at ancient Sardes (Sardis) (Southwestern Turkey). I believe that King Mitas was also mentioned on an ancient Phrygian tablet.
I've always wanted to write very accurate historical stories and tying them to The Ducks. But these stories always were rejected by my editors, artist and/or writing partners, or had their historical content cut down so much, that in the end, they didn't seem any more historical than a typical Scrooge story.
Yes, the legendary King Midas was cross-referenced in an actual historical find, a Lydian Kings list, listing a "Mitas" (English phonetic spelling: Mee-Tass), who would have ruled some time during the 6th Century B.C. I think the list was on a royal historical tablet in a dig at ancient Sardes (Sardis) (Southwestern Turkey). I believe that King Mitas was also mentioned on an ancient Phrygian tablet.
I've always wanted to write very accurate historical stories and tying them to The Ducks. But these stories always were rejected by my editors, artist and/or writing partners, or had their historical content cut down so much, that in the end, they didn't seem any more historical than a typical Scrooge story.
Morequack
Ducktales TV Series
Message 5 -
2008-03-11 at 04:08:13
Quote from user: ScroodudeTo be fair, even Rosa's research can be off once in a blue moon. "Treasury of Croesus," states that Croesus invented the first coinage. According to Wikipedia, though the first coins were in fact Lydian, they were invented not by Croesus, but by King Alyattes. FWIW though, I'll admit I never knew there was an actual King Midas before this story.
Well actually, I think Don Rosa was probably right: http://rg.ancients.info/lion/kroisos.html
Well actually, I think Don Rosa was probably right: http://rg.ancients.info/lion/kroisos.html
RancidDuck
Ducktales TV Series
Message 6 -
2008-03-11 at 10:29:07
Quote from user: Robb_KI've always wanted to write very accurate historical stories and tying them to The Ducks. But these stories always were rejected by my editors, artist and/or writing partners, or had their historical content cut down so much, that in the end, they didn't seem any more historical than a typical Scrooge story.
I have always enjoyed the idea that when reading a Rosa story that all facts are as accurate as possible. A story that can inform you as well as entertain is hard to beat. Personally, I would love to see more stories like that. It is unfortunate that not everyone agrees that historical accuracy can make a very good story. Knowing that something really happened or can happen is much more exciting than knowing it is impossible. Hopefully, your ideas will get a second chance.
I have always enjoyed the idea that when reading a Rosa story that all facts are as accurate as possible. A story that can inform you as well as entertain is hard to beat. Personally, I would love to see more stories like that. It is unfortunate that not everyone agrees that historical accuracy can make a very good story. Knowing that something really happened or can happen is much more exciting than knowing it is impossible. Hopefully, your ideas will get a second chance.
Lars Jensen
Ducktales TV Series
Message 7 -
2008-03-11 at 11:44:40
Quote from user: ScroodudeTo be fair, even Rosa's research can be off once in a blue moon. "Treasury of Croesus," states that Croesus invented the first coinage. According to Wikipedia, though the first coins were in fact Lydian, they were invented not by Croesus, but by King Alyattes. FWIW though, I'll admit I never knew there was an actual King Midas before this story.
A few years ago I did some research on King Midas in connection wih a story. According to the sources I found, there actually has been more than one historical king named Midas.
Quote from user: MorequackWell actually, I think Don Rosa was probably right: http://rg.ancients.info/lion/kroisos.html
Don might be right, but I couldn't really find anything in the article that supports that opinion. (Admittedly, I only skimmed the article.) Could you pinpoint a quote that supports your statement? Thanks.
A few years ago I did some research on King Midas in connection wih a story. According to the sources I found, there actually has been more than one historical king named Midas.
Quote from user: MorequackWell actually, I think Don Rosa was probably right: http://rg.ancients.info/lion/kroisos.html
Don might be right, but I couldn't really find anything in the article that supports that opinion. (Admittedly, I only skimmed the article.) Could you pinpoint a quote that supports your statement? Thanks.
Morequack
Ducktales TV Series
Message 8 -
2008-03-11 at 16:24:45
This may require further research. Alyattes (or Alyattes II) was Croesus' father. Both were the 4th and 5th kings of Lydia, respectively (after Gyges, Ardys, and Sadyattes). But which of the two "invented the first coin" needs more delving.
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