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Topic: Talkback: Scrooge's Quest, Pts 1-7 (Trade Paperback)

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WB
So I've decided to do something that I had debated on previously. Since the books are restarting again (after the publishing snafu of the last few months) now seems as good a time as any.

I've decided to steal an idea from the Toonzone boards and begin talkback threads here to encourage discussion and feedback about the monthly Gemstone comics on the DCF. So, what this means is, when a new book or trade releases on Wednesday I'll start a talkback thread for it. Post what you think - likes and dislikes about the current issue and all stories inside of it and while we say yay or nay on the stuff, the Gemstone people that read the boards can get proper feedback while we discuss what we really think about about the stories we read or any other topic about the issue that comes to mind.

When C&S and U$ come out, I'll start talkback threads for it and simply edit the title to reflect the current book number. So here we go:

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Scrooge's Quest: Parts 1-7
Writer: Marv Wolfman
Artist: Cosme Quartieri, Robert Bat & Varous

Product Description
Presenting an epic feature-length DuckTales adventure by Marv Wolfman (Tomb of Dracula, Teen Titans, Nightwing), back in print for the first time since 1990! When Magica De Spell kidnaps Webbigail Vanderquack, it's a ruse to lure Scrooge McDuck into a chase around the world... while Flintheart Glomgold destroys Scrooge's business empire back home! Can Uncle Scrooge defeat his foes without his Number One Dime or his fortune? Gemstone presents Marv Wolfman's spectacular seven-part "Scrooge's Quest" epic from 1990, complete in one volume for the first time!

Marv Wolfman is the acclaimed writer of numerous adventure stories published over the last three decades by Marvel and DC. Even though his popularity arose through his action-hero and mystery work, Marv's first love has always been humor. He is a great fan of Carl Barks' and Floyd Gottfredson's Disney work and considers the penning of this Ducktales adventure as one of his proudest moments.

Marv Wolfman's blog has a short article about his time at Disney, when he wrote the story.

"Way back in the early 90s I spent a good deal of time not writing stories about heroes in spandex, but about Mice and Ducks wearing short pants and waistcoats. For nearly a year I wrote Mickey Mouse and DuckTales for Disney Comics. Most folk think these are easy stories to write, but let me say you couldn't be more wrong."

For a lot of people this will either be thier first time reading it in full or seeing it at all. Now that it's out: Opinions? Comments?
Anemo
I'm still waiting for my copy to arrive. Just found out that a local comic shop here in Singapore can order the book for me.
About the artist, I've seen work by Cosme Quartieri in the DuckTales series from Disney Comics Publishing. Robert Bat is another one. I really like their work though I cant find much info about them. Also, not much have discuss about duo.
Louis Lane
>Comments?
I've read the first couple of chapters. I'll have to read them again, but at one point I inferred that Scrooge believes this #1 dime really is a "lucky dime." I know some writers (e.g., Rosa) dislike that line of reasoning. (For what it's worth, I concur with Rosa.)
LL
Ramapith
Marv Wolfman's understanding of the dime and Magica doesn't owe a lot to Barks??the dime is a lucky dime to all parties involved, and Magica's goal doesn't seem to be to gain the Midas Touch. It's a bit odd, as in other parts of the story Wolfman is quite obviously paying homage to Barks.
It's not just Rosa who dislikes the "luck" line of reasoning; so did Barks, who caught himself using it for awhile??then watched in dismay as others copied him. You'll still see the "lucky dime" conceit in an occasional new story we like enough to use in spite of it, but speaking as an editor and writer, I don't care to carry it on myself.
Lars Jensen
Quote from user: ramapithMarv Wolfman's understanding of the dime and Magica doesn't owe a lot to Barks??the dime is a lucky dime to all parties involved, and Magica's goal doesn't seem to be to gain the Midas Touch. It's a bit odd, as in other parts of the story Wolfman is quite obviously paying homage to Barks.
Actually, if I remember correctly, in the DuckTales TV series Magica's goal was not to gain the Midas Touch, but to become the greatest sorceress in the world. Or maybe I misremember.
Anemo
I've just finished reading the comic. I really enjoyed it. I love the art work even though it different from what most Duck readers would prefer. I like the difference in style.
Anemo
Yes. In DuckTales, Scrooge appears to be more soft-hearted and less ruthless. :)
Robb_K
I don't like Bat and Quartieri's style for The Ducks, and Marv Wolfman's writing style for The Ducks. But I will take a look at that comic in a shop later today.
Robb_K
I bought it and read it. it's a decent read. I don't like the style of the artwork (only because I 'm spoiled by Barks). It's clear that Quartieri and Bat are accomplished artists of high quality. I just don't like the style. It cost me around $18.00 US including the tax. If any of my Danish friends on this forum haven't bought theirs yet, and are not in a hurry for it, -you can avoid paying the shipping cost by just paying my cost for it in DK. I will bring it with me in July. If I am staying with you in your house, I'll bring it to you as a gift. Just let me know you want it.
I have little room to store books I don't really want to read over and over.
The storylines of the different "chapters" are not really connected. It's really 7 different stories (an epic saga). And that is no problem for me. But the motivations and story logic has some flaws. Reasons why several things happen are not only not explained, -they are not even hinted at. There is a lot of magic and impossibility (unlike Barks' pseudoscience with "plausibility). It's too much fantasy for me. How could Glomgold set up a nasty dictatorship in Duckburg without an army of police? Why would the people just cow-tow to him? Where is the Calisota government? How does Glomgold buy up all of Scrooge's businesses? Why doesn't Scrooge get the money for selling them? The fact that Webby is stolen, and we see little of the reason why expressed, as Magica doesn't do anything with the "lucky dime", and Webby is rescued too easily. Then, Magica does nothing with the dime. Magica is out of the story, and replaced by Glomgold. We don't see Magica at the end. The way Scrooge tricks Glomgold is illogical and would never work with that character.
The connection between Glomgold and Magica is extremely thin, and no result of their temporary victory connects both.
WB
Well I've re-read the story. My same criticisms apply.

Unlike Robb I love Cosme Quartieri and Robert Bat's style. This is odd because out of all the Jaime Diaz artists they are the only ones that do duck work whom I DO like. The artwork goes schizo around the time of "Down, But Not Out, in Duckburg" but I think that is largely because this is the one part of the story that Quartieri did not draw until the very end (shame too as this is the portion of the story with the numerous Barks story references).

So yeah, art I had no problem with, the story however was a whole nother can of worms...

Marv Wolfman's sense of characterization on the Disney characters is incredibly frustrating.

I say this largely because even guys like Launchpad felt completely out of character compared to their animated counterparts. I won't flat out say that the story is bad because its not. If it were any other set of characters it would be pretty good, but it feels even less consistent with a lot of conundrums that even Ducktales setup than I can remember. Realize however that in my critique of this, I do not attest its problems solely to it being a "Ducktales" story - this is strictly a Marv Wolfman issue. His mickey Mouse 4 parter ("The Mystery Weaponeer Saga") suffered the exact same problem in that the main characters were instead very pale caricatures of their Barks and Gottfredson versions and tended to veer a bit more towards an extremist view of the characters. I'll hit some key points:

* Scrooge's sappiness towards Webbigail is OMGWTF ANNOYING

To make sure that nostalgia had not gotten the better of me I went back and re-read a few Disney Adventures DT stories and then took a quick glance at Bob Langhans' "Gold Odyssey" and took notice of something. Webby - in other stories - was treated the same as Huey, Dewey, and Louie, I.E. a fourth nephew who just happened to be the girl. It was ONLY in Marv Wolfman's DT stories where Webby becomes a Mary Sue of sorts. This was actually something that was brought up in the lettercols of the book at one point because it seemed that Scrooge cared more about Webby than he did Huey, Dewey, and Louie which made no sense. In fact Webby is more of a distraction and annoyance in Scrooge's quest moreso than any other character which is a shame because when she appears elsewhere, she's not that bad at all. Scrooge's devotion to her - treating her to a day at the park and not the nephews, falling into negro spiritual levels of OH WOE IS ME LAWD WUT IS I GONE DO DESPAIR and other such things is just very unbelieveable and out of character for Scrooge. That is not to say that the plot point of the kidnapping could not have been done, it just wound up coming off as very forced and out of character.

* Lucky Dime VS Number One Dime

Even Barks fell prey to this foible once or twice so it can be excused here. The problem is: OK Magica steals the dime. She wants to use it to help her take over the world.

...so...she just holds onto it and does nothing with it for 6 issues. See the problem here?

Now lets say you're not familiar with the Barks setup (Mt. Vesuvius/Melting the dime into an amulet). That's fine. The Ducktales series was an adaptation of comics into TV. It's frustrating but it was never the same thing to begin with. So let's say that instead we go with the TV premise (Magica wishes to put the dime into a magical amulet where she will not only be the richest woman in the world, but also rule it). That's fine too because if you're not familiar with Barks (which many weren't at the time, that's what you'd come in expecting.

But here - NEITHER premise takes place. Magica kidnaps Webby. Magica takes dime. Magica loses Webby but still has done. Magica does nothing with the dime but hold onto it for weeks. Magica gets frustrated because the dime is bad luck, renounces it and throws it away.....and that's it. We have no motivation for what she wants with it. She gets it and does nothing with it. Then the plot point is just kind of glanced over like OH WELL MOVING ON TO GLOMGOLD HA HA HA!

This was always my problem with Scrooge's Quest. The payoff was terrible. The Gold Odyssey may have tried similar things but at least it knew what it wanted to do and somewhat tried to maintain a straight line. Scrooge's Quest just kind of meandered around a bit and was like "Oh well, story's over see you later." It seemed like the only villian with stable characterization was Glomgold and even his story kind of fell apart (not to the extent of Magica's however) at the very end. =\

* Launchpad

William Van Horn and Bob Langhans (near the end of his run) seemed to be the only Ducktales writers that actually got what Launchpad was supposed to be about. He's not a Donald Duck clone, he's not a blowhard that spouts tall tales in every other sentence. He's a loveable flyboy ace jock, not exactly very bright, slightly dense, extremely skilled with a plane except when it comes to landing, a role model, incredibly clumsy at times - but NEVER an out and out braggart. Marv Wolfman's characterization of Launchpad is more in line with Monterey Jack from Rescue Rangers than it is with Launchpad himself and thats a real shame given the scope of the story he's trying to tell. Bob Langhans fell into this trap at the very start of the Gold Odyssey but very quickly reverted as his tale continued. Here, Launchpad just didnt feel right at all to me.

* Overall

The comment was made that in DuckTales, Scrooge appears to be more soft-hearted and less ruthless. That's not exactly so - there are plenty of Ducktales stories (even within the cartoon itself) where Scrooge is just as mean as he is in the comics. If I had time I could probably go through my collection and hand pick a few out. It is true that DT Scrooge is nowhere near as acerbic as he can be in comics, but he's not exactly a pansy-puss either.

The story was NOT bad. My critique may have made it seem as such but FAR FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR worse things have come out of Disney comics than this. In fact - for what it was (the very first long epic-multipart serialized Disney story stateside that I can think of) it was a good effort. But its characterizations were so totally off the map that its mildly offputting than anything else: especially to those used to the norm. That's what hurts Scrooge's Quest more than anything else. While "The Mystery Weaponeer Saga" - Marv Wolfman's Mickey Mouse serial - suffered very similar problems, I think because it was was forced to work with smaller space it came across as the better of the two all of its problems excluded. I did not read Scrooge's quest chronologically as it came out originally. I think thats probably why I prefer the Gold Odyssey to this. Bob Langhans' followup serial may not have been hyper epic, but I think he had a far better grasp of the characters than Wolfman did. You can really tell that this is a superhero guy working with characters that he's not really used to and that says a lot towards the story's final execution.

Comments?
RancidDuck
I believe "Scrooge's Quest" was a decent story with plenty of action. It is always nice to see the Ducks go to different locales. The only thing that bothered me was how easily that Glomgold took over all of Scrooge's businesses. Just because the "lucky dime" is gone, doesn't mean that all his businesses are free for the taking. Overall though, a good story and I got a nice chuckle out of seeing Carl Barks' cameo in Chapter 3 as banker Savin Cash.
Anemo
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The comment was made that in DuckTales, Scrooge appears to be more soft-hearted and less ruthless. That's not exactly so - there are plenty of Ducktales stories (even within the cartoon itself) where Scrooge is just as mean as he is in the comics. If I had time I could probably go through my collection and hand pick a few out. It is true that DT Scrooge is nowhere near as acerbic as he can be in comics, but he's not exactly a pansy-puss either.

The story was NOT bad. My critique may have made it seem as such but FAR FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR worse things have come out of Disney comics than this. In fact - for what it was (the very first long epic-multipart serialized Disney story stateside that I can think of) it was a good effort. But its characterizations were so totally off the map that its mildly offputting than anything else: especially to those used to the norm. That's what hurts Scrooge's Quest more than anything else. While "The Mystery Weaponeer Saga" - Marv Wolfman's Mickey Mouse serial - suffered very similar problems, I think because it was was forced to work with smaller space it came across as the better of the two all of its problems excluded. I did not read Scrooge's quest chronologically as it came out originally. I think thats probably why I prefer the Gold Odyssey to this. Bob Langhans' followup serial may not have been hyper epic, but I think he had a far better grasp of the characters than Wolfman did. You can really tell that this is a superhero guy working with characters that he's not really used to and that says a lot towards the story's final execution.

Comments?

Yes, Scrooge is still a tightwad in DuckTales. But you can see the difference between Scrooge in DT and U$ comics. Perhaps, due to the introduction of Mrs. Beakley, and Webby? In DT, he's mostly potrayed as a Duck that has a family.

In Scrooge Quest, I agree that Scrooge's sappiness toward Webby can be annoying. In the cartoon series, even though Scrooge cares about Webby, the boys are given more attention. This is not the case in the comic.

Not a bad story but I like art more. :)
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