Could some Italian Disney fan here give some detailed info on this feud between Disney creator Concina and Italian Disney publisher? What is it about, pay, royalties, or what?
I know there's been friction between Disney and Italian Cartoon Worker's Union (Sindacato Italiano Lavoratori del Fumetto Silf-Cgil) for years by now.
http://www.afnews.info/public/afnews/news/newsitem1202559864,89159,.htm
http://www.afnews.info/deposito/2008/01/letteraconcina.mht
"Once again the Italian Disney creator Bruno Concina writes an open letter to and against the Disney Italy, but this time the creator talks about boycott, asking people who is in agreement with him not to buy Disney products anymore. Click here for the original message. And here you find the first message, which, when published at afnews.info, started interviews in the net, in the press, in the media, in Italy."
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Topic: Bruno Concina vs. Disney Italy?
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Timoro
Bruno Concina vs. Disney Italy?
Message 1 -
2008-02-09 at 17:17:59
EBi
Bruno Concina vs. Disney Italy?
Message 2 -
2008-02-10 at 20:19:54
Quote from user: Roger NorthI wouldn't know about that but I hope Bruno doesn't win the case against Disney.
Why do you say so if you don??t know what the case is about?
Why do you say so if you don??t know what the case is about?
WB
Bruno Concina vs. Disney Italy?
Message 3 -
2008-02-10 at 20:34:27
Roger thats kinda dumb. Why would you wish he doesn't win a case if you don't know what its about? For all you know the man could be all kinds of wronged by them. You admittedly have no idea. Not to chastise you but please think before you speak man. That might be a very touchy subject that you don't fully understand so its best not to make rash statements such as those without think of them.
In the meantime:
For the benefit of those who cannot read italian, would someone care to elaborate?
In the meantime:
For the benefit of those who cannot read italian, would someone care to elaborate?
Cacou
Bruno Concina vs. Disney Italy?
Message 4 -
2008-02-10 at 21:58:34
I read a bit of Italian but this is not my mother tongue so this would need confirmation.
Bruno Concina is a long-time writer for Disney in Italy, and has been well considered through his career. But Disney reduced the work for "foreign" contributors (does that mean freelancers?), and he accepted having no salary increase for 5 years. Concina wrote that Umberto Virri, president of Disney Italia when Disney took off the publications from Mondadori, promised the Italian authors a percentage for every foreign reprint of their stories [Note: I think there was a strike related to this several years ago in Italy].
He then quotes a letter that he sent to 15 persons at Disney. After 30 years of work for them, Disney gives him almost no story to do anymore.
Bruno Concina is a long-time writer for Disney in Italy, and has been well considered through his career. But Disney reduced the work for "foreign" contributors (does that mean freelancers?), and he accepted having no salary increase for 5 years. Concina wrote that Umberto Virri, president of Disney Italia when Disney took off the publications from Mondadori, promised the Italian authors a percentage for every foreign reprint of their stories [Note: I think there was a strike related to this several years ago in Italy].
He then quotes a letter that he sent to 15 persons at Disney. After 30 years of work for them, Disney gives him almost no story to do anymore.
WB
Bruno Concina vs. Disney Italy?
Message 5 -
2008-02-10 at 22:43:20
Interesting.
I wonder why he doesn't try to work for/freelance for Egmont like Cavazzano and Scarpa did.
I wonder why he doesn't try to work for/freelance for Egmont like Cavazzano and Scarpa did.
Cacou
Bruno Concina vs. Disney Italy?
Message 6 -
2008-02-11 at 08:09:13
Concina also writes that Italian Disney comics are selling less than previously and mentions that other Italian artists are leaving to France (maybe to write for non-Disney comic books?).
Concina wrote 3 "open letters" to Disney, and didn't get any reply (and probably won't). There's no court case, as far as I understand, but all this does look very sad.
Concina wrote 3 "open letters" to Disney, and didn't get any reply (and probably won't). There's no court case, as far as I understand, but all this does look very sad.
Timoro
Bruno Concina vs. Disney Italy?
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2008-02-11 at 10:07:15
Quote from user: WBInteresting.
I wonder why he doesn't try to work for/freelance for Egmont like Cavazzano and Scarpa did.
This is exactly the reason why Scarpa moved to Egmont. And apparently Marco Rota did that too just because of Disney's way of handling matters. Rota was Art Director of Disney-comics when Mondadori had license. After Disney took over things changed.
There is no court case between Concina and Disney-Italy (as far as I know) but there sure is one between Disney and Italian Cartoon Worker's Union. And it's been on for few years. Cartoon Worker's Union and their members (of course) demand credits, royalties and artwork returned to the artist. All those are quite common among other publishing houses, but not with Disney.
Timo
I wonder why he doesn't try to work for/freelance for Egmont like Cavazzano and Scarpa did.
This is exactly the reason why Scarpa moved to Egmont. And apparently Marco Rota did that too just because of Disney's way of handling matters. Rota was Art Director of Disney-comics when Mondadori had license. After Disney took over things changed.
There is no court case between Concina and Disney-Italy (as far as I know) but there sure is one between Disney and Italian Cartoon Worker's Union. And it's been on for few years. Cartoon Worker's Union and their members (of course) demand credits, royalties and artwork returned to the artist. All those are quite common among other publishing houses, but not with Disney.
Timo
WB
Bruno Concina vs. Disney Italy?
Message 8 -
2008-02-11 at 11:46:50
Hm...you know what. That sounds exactly like what was going on when Disney took over in the states. Byron Erickson left, then Don Rosa, then eventually William Van Horn. And every other American creator has tried to go to Egmont since.
From what I understand, Disney had those same practices here. That's very sad. =\"
From what I understand, Disney had those same practices here. That's very sad. =\"
WB
Bruno Concina vs. Disney Italy?
Message 9 -
2008-02-11 at 15:19:17
Which creators have moved on to France? Knowing this I understand better why Rota and Scarpa would move to Egmont now. That's insane (and partially sad).
I was wondering whether Disney Italy's handling of Topolino was similar to Disney America's handling of its main books, so now that makes a lot more sense to me. I would be very interested in knowing more about this situation. Around what issue did Disney Italia take over production of the book and was the change "jarring" like the transition between Gladstone/Disney in the states or more gradual? What things specifically changed about the magazine and how have italian fans reacted to this?
Roger - the whole point is, The Walt Disney Company isnt going out of business any time soon. They're a corporation first so they're going to look out for their own interests over their workers and thats the whole point of the lawsuits/moving companies. The people who write and draw the comics you love however, have to eat and THAT is the point at hand. Many artists who freelance for comics sell their artwork or scripts to collectors to make extra money to supplement their income. DC returns artwork, Marvel, Image, Archie - all the major companies do this practice. Disney is the only one that doesnt because they dont understand that thier freelancers cant live off their rates - hence why you have creators like Rosa, Van Horn, Scarpa, Rota, etc flooding towards Egmont.
Try to understand the situation at hand so you can get a better grasp at it. :)
I was wondering whether Disney Italy's handling of Topolino was similar to Disney America's handling of its main books, so now that makes a lot more sense to me. I would be very interested in knowing more about this situation. Around what issue did Disney Italia take over production of the book and was the change "jarring" like the transition between Gladstone/Disney in the states or more gradual? What things specifically changed about the magazine and how have italian fans reacted to this?
Roger - the whole point is, The Walt Disney Company isnt going out of business any time soon. They're a corporation first so they're going to look out for their own interests over their workers and thats the whole point of the lawsuits/moving companies. The people who write and draw the comics you love however, have to eat and THAT is the point at hand. Many artists who freelance for comics sell their artwork or scripts to collectors to make extra money to supplement their income. DC returns artwork, Marvel, Image, Archie - all the major companies do this practice. Disney is the only one that doesnt because they dont understand that thier freelancers cant live off their rates - hence why you have creators like Rosa, Van Horn, Scarpa, Rota, etc flooding towards Egmont.
Try to understand the situation at hand so you can get a better grasp at it. :)
Cacou
Bruno Concina vs. Disney Italy?
Message 10 -
2008-02-11 at 18:30:49
> Which creators have moved on to France?
That's what he wrote, but he didn't name anyone in particular. He said that Italian comics are not as popular as before and that several creators left.
Franckly, I also heard about problems at a time that Disney was going very well in Italy (I prefer to not mention any specific name though - I'm not sure if the information I have is public or may harm people).
That's what he wrote, but he didn't name anyone in particular. He said that Italian comics are not as popular as before and that several creators left.
Franckly, I also heard about problems at a time that Disney was going very well in Italy (I prefer to not mention any specific name though - I'm not sure if the information I have is public or may harm people).
Timoro
Bruno Concina vs. Disney Italy?
Message 11 -
2008-02-11 at 19:04:10
Disney took over in Italy already in 1988 (before that Mondadori had the license from late 1930's). But just recently there have been som problems and changes. I don't know about details. But I'd like to have much closer view on this. As I don't read Italian, it is quite hard.
Timo
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