Fantagraphics are for the time being publishing a Barks-collection, A Gottfredsson-collection and are planning a Rosa-collection. What should the next be? Personally I would prefer a collection of all Paul Murry-stories taking place in the Mouse-universe.
I am not sure though, how realistic this is. A problem here may be that many of the people heavily involved in publishing Disney-comics seems to have a strong preference in favour of Gottfredsson compared to Paul Murry. Just like many of the same people seems to have a strong preference in favour of Paul Murry compared to Joseph Tello Gonzales ?? who was never included in the 50 volume Norwegian "Walt Disney's Hall of Fame" book series, and neither was other great artists like Kari Korhonen and Jan Gulbranson.
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Topic: Paul Murry
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Sigvald
Paul Murry
Message 1 -
2013-09-04 at 13:33:11
Review Or Die
Paul Murry
Message 2 -
2013-09-04 at 14:51:47
If I was going to have to make a stab at another comic artist for the library, I'd pick (and if you've ever seen my comments on Geo's website, this will surprise you) Romano Scarpa.
I don't like the writing of Murry's stories (not his fault, obviously), but even if I did, I think Scarpa is a name which hasn't been given enough exposure in the US, despite his status around the world.
I don't like the writing of Murry's stories (not his fault, obviously), but even if I did, I think Scarpa is a name which hasn't been given enough exposure in the US, despite his status around the world.
GeoX
Paul Murry
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2013-09-04 at 15:33:01
Quote from user: SigvaldA problem here may be that many of the people heavily involved in publishing Disney-comics seems to have a strong preference in favour of Gottfredsson compared to Paul Murry.
Similarly, many people would rather eat chocolate truffles than bugs and gravel. Who can explain this mystery?!? :D
No, I don't actually dislike Murry. He was undeniably proficient at what he did, at least 'til he stopped caring sometime in the sixties. But he certainly never transcended the genre (nor is that even really a criticism--competence was what was asked of him, and he delivered, which is more than many can say). Some of his stuff remains moderately enjoyable, but I feel like with the Barks/Gottfredson/Rosa collections, Fantagraphics can say "here--have some art!" Whereas with a hypothetical Murry collection, they'd be saying "here--have some product!"
In any case, I agree with Review Or Die. Collections of stuff by Scarpa and other Italians would no doubt be more time-consuming to put together due to the need for localizations, but they would be most welcome.
Similarly, many people would rather eat chocolate truffles than bugs and gravel. Who can explain this mystery?!? :D
No, I don't actually dislike Murry. He was undeniably proficient at what he did, at least 'til he stopped caring sometime in the sixties. But he certainly never transcended the genre (nor is that even really a criticism--competence was what was asked of him, and he delivered, which is more than many can say). Some of his stuff remains moderately enjoyable, but I feel like with the Barks/Gottfredson/Rosa collections, Fantagraphics can say "here--have some art!" Whereas with a hypothetical Murry collection, they'd be saying "here--have some product!"
In any case, I agree with Review Or Die. Collections of stuff by Scarpa and other Italians would no doubt be more time-consuming to put together due to the need for localizations, but they would be most welcome.
Roger North
Paul Murry
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2013-09-04 at 16:01:29
A Paul Murry Collection would sound pretty cool but even though he drew mostly Mickey Mouse stories he also drew other Disney Comic Type stories such as Donald Duck, Lil Bad Wolf, Brer Rabbit, and various others. Mickey was his speciality though. Maybe they can include stories from the two spinoff titles from Mickey Mouse such as The Phantom Blot and Super Goof.
AzureBlue
Paul Murry
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2013-09-04 at 17:30:17
Quote from user: GeoXQuote from user: SigvaldA problem here may be that many of the people heavily involved in publishing Disney-comics seems to have a strong preference in favour of Gottfredsson compared to Paul Murry.
Similarly, many people would rather eat chocolate truffles than bugs and gravel. Who can explain this mystery?!? :D
No, I don't actually dislike Murry. He was undeniably proficient at what he did, at least 'til he stopped caring sometime in the sixties. But he certainly never transcended the genre (nor is that even really a criticism--competence was what was asked of him, and he delivered, which is more than many can say). Some of his stuff remains moderately enjoyable, but I feel like with the Barks/Gottfredson/Rosa collections, Fantagraphics can say "here--have some art!" Whereas with a hypothetical Murry collection, they'd be saying "here--have some product!"
In any case, I agree with Review Or Die. Collections of stuff by Scarpa and other Italians would no doubt be more time-consuming to put together due to the need for localizations, but they would be most welcome.
I agree. I enjoy most of Murry's stories, but they never ed the level that gottfredsons did
Similarly, many people would rather eat chocolate truffles than bugs and gravel. Who can explain this mystery?!? :D
No, I don't actually dislike Murry. He was undeniably proficient at what he did, at least 'til he stopped caring sometime in the sixties. But he certainly never transcended the genre (nor is that even really a criticism--competence was what was asked of him, and he delivered, which is more than many can say). Some of his stuff remains moderately enjoyable, but I feel like with the Barks/Gottfredson/Rosa collections, Fantagraphics can say "here--have some art!" Whereas with a hypothetical Murry collection, they'd be saying "here--have some product!"
In any case, I agree with Review Or Die. Collections of stuff by Scarpa and other Italians would no doubt be more time-consuming to put together due to the need for localizations, but they would be most welcome.
I agree. I enjoy most of Murry's stories, but they never ed the level that gottfredsons did
Runner
Paul Murry
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2013-09-04 at 17:40:11
The comics I have read repeatedly most regulary the last decades are all Barks Disney comics, Murry's (usually scripted by Fallberg) longer Mickey Mouse stories 1950-1960 + his Phantom Blot stories and Super Goof and Bill Wright's and Dick Moores longer Mickey Mouse-comics.
So I think such a Murry collection would be worth to publish for newcomers so they could enjoy the nice art and usually good stories.
I look forward to be a more serious Gottfredson-fan also soon with the Fantagraphic collection.
So I think such a Murry collection would be worth to publish for newcomers so they could enjoy the nice art and usually good stories.
I look forward to be a more serious Gottfredson-fan also soon with the Fantagraphic collection.
Dutch Duckfan Down Under
Paul Murry
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2013-09-04 at 20:39:44
Quote from user: GeoXNo, I don't actually dislike Murry. He was undeniably proficient at what he did, at least 'til he stopped caring sometime in the sixties. But he certainly never transcended the genre (nor is that even really a criticism--competence was what was asked of him, and he delivered, which is more than many can say). Some of his stuff remains moderately enjoyable, but I feel like with the Barks/Gottfredson/Rosa collections, Fantagraphics can say "here--have some art!" Whereas with a hypothetical Murry collection, they'd be saying "here--have some product!"
In any case, I agree with Review Or Die. Collections of stuff by Scarpa and other Italians would no doubt be more time-consuming to put together due to the need for localizations, but they would be most welcome.
For me, Murry is one of my least favorite artists. The plots of his stories are so dull, and the artwork is... eh? It's certainly more solid than Barks' art, I'll say that, but it's so generic. It's so much 'boring Mickey'. Not to say that he's bad or anything, it's just more exciting to read an atrocious Martina story than a Murry story that's just... meh.
Also I must say something about Luciano Bottaro. He is often forgotten, but his stories are some of the most creative and fun out there.
In any case, I agree with Review Or Die. Collections of stuff by Scarpa and other Italians would no doubt be more time-consuming to put together due to the need for localizations, but they would be most welcome.
For me, Murry is one of my least favorite artists. The plots of his stories are so dull, and the artwork is... eh? It's certainly more solid than Barks' art, I'll say that, but it's so generic. It's so much 'boring Mickey'. Not to say that he's bad or anything, it's just more exciting to read an atrocious Martina story than a Murry story that's just... meh.
Also I must say something about Luciano Bottaro. He is often forgotten, but his stories are some of the most creative and fun out there.
Sigvald
Paul Murry
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2013-09-04 at 20:59:56
Quote from user: GeoXSimilarly, many people would rather eat chocolate truffles than bugs and gravel.
I think this is a very bad comparison. Comparing Gottfredsson and Murry is more like comparing Coca Cola with Pepsi Cola.
Quote from user: Review Or DieIf I was going to have to make a stab at another comic artist for the library, I'd pick (and if you've ever seen my comments on Geo's website, this will surprise you) Romano Scarpa.
Actually it's not surprising at all. It's my impression that many of the most "powerful" and "significant" people involved with Disney Comics seems to have a strong preference in favor of Romano Scarpa and some of the other Italians. Thus there where several Scarpa-volumes in the Norwegian Hall of Fame book series. To me Mr. Scarpa is one of the best Italian Disney comics creators, and I'd be happy to se books in the Pocket-standard format collecting his stories, put personally I prefer many of the American and North-European creators before Scarpa. That's why I would prefer the next Fantagraphics Library to be a Murry Mouse Library, or maybe a William van Horn Library. And I will not change my opinions about Scarpa in order to gain more acceptance for my taste and preferences when it comes to Disney-comics.
I think this is a very bad comparison. Comparing Gottfredsson and Murry is more like comparing Coca Cola with Pepsi Cola.
Quote from user: Review Or DieIf I was going to have to make a stab at another comic artist for the library, I'd pick (and if you've ever seen my comments on Geo's website, this will surprise you) Romano Scarpa.
Actually it's not surprising at all. It's my impression that many of the most "powerful" and "significant" people involved with Disney Comics seems to have a strong preference in favor of Romano Scarpa and some of the other Italians. Thus there where several Scarpa-volumes in the Norwegian Hall of Fame book series. To me Mr. Scarpa is one of the best Italian Disney comics creators, and I'd be happy to se books in the Pocket-standard format collecting his stories, put personally I prefer many of the American and North-European creators before Scarpa. That's why I would prefer the next Fantagraphics Library to be a Murry Mouse Library, or maybe a William van Horn Library. And I will not change my opinions about Scarpa in order to gain more acceptance for my taste and preferences when it comes to Disney-comics.
GeoX
Paul Murry
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2013-09-04 at 21:41:38
Quote from user: SigvaldComparing Gottfredsson and Murry is more like comparing Coca Cola with Pepsi Cola.
Oh wow, I have never disagreed so intensely with anyone about anything Disney-related. Yes, it was an intentionally hyperbolic contrast on my part, obviously, but to suggest that there's no meaningful quality difference between the two of them...I mean, de gustibus, obviously, but I am quite literally unable to understand how anyone could believe that. Murry was a highly competent draughtsman, but Gottfredson was one of a very select group of geniuses of the form.
Oh wow, I have never disagreed so intensely with anyone about anything Disney-related. Yes, it was an intentionally hyperbolic contrast on my part, obviously, but to suggest that there's no meaningful quality difference between the two of them...I mean, de gustibus, obviously, but I am quite literally unable to understand how anyone could believe that. Murry was a highly competent draughtsman, but Gottfredson was one of a very select group of geniuses of the form.
Mr. M
Paul Murry
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2013-09-04 at 22:39:14
The thing is is Gottfredson much like Barks was a writer/artis who influance generations and created/flashet out most of the Disney comicse universe we know and love today.
Murray just made decent stories but - with all the respect - nothing trully influential. There is just something "generic" in his stories when you compare them to Barks, Rosa or Gottfredson. I never found anything special about his stories... their just "nice" (and theres nothing wrong with that)
I honestly would prefer collection of Scarpa, Marco Rota, Cesar Ferioli or Silvia Ziche (who is my favorite "currently working artist for Disney" at the moment)
Murray just made decent stories but - with all the respect - nothing trully influential. There is just something "generic" in his stories when you compare them to Barks, Rosa or Gottfredson. I never found anything special about his stories... their just "nice" (and theres nothing wrong with that)
I honestly would prefer collection of Scarpa, Marco Rota, Cesar Ferioli or Silvia Ziche (who is my favorite "currently working artist for Disney" at the moment)
Roger North
Paul Murry
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2013-09-05 at 02:12:36
I agree with Geox. Floyd Gottfredson and Paul Murry were both good artists in their time. I wouldn't say one is better than the other. I think they are both equally good.
GeoX
Paul Murry
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2013-09-05 at 02:27:36
*definitions of "agree with" may vary. :)
Matilda
Paul Murry
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2013-09-05 at 05:23:46
In my childhood only three Mickey stories made a positive impression on me, and they were all drawn by Murry: The Return of the Phantom Blot, written by person unknown, and The Pineapple Poachers and The Castaways of Whale Bay, both by Fallberg. I'd be thrilled to have those three in a hardcover in English! Though I must admit, the depiction of *Mickey* in those stories did not make all that much of an impression on me, and the stories did not succeed in making Mickey & Goofy "real" characters to me in the way the Ducks were. Mickey was pretty bland and uninteresting. In each case, it was other elements of the stories that I loved: the Blot character & mystery, the Menehune who spoke in rhyme, and the pet whale at the end of Castaways.
That said, if we're playing Fantasy Fantagraphics here (a la Fantasy Football), I'd be equally thrilled to have single "best of" volumes (assuming I get to choose the "best" stories: them's the rules of FF) of Rota, Korhonen, Ferioli, Ziche (I agree, Mr. M!), Vicar, Geradts, Lustig, Gerstein, William Van Horn, Cavazzano, Carpi, early Branca..... Not Scarpa--at least, not as author/artist. Yes, he's terribly important and influential and all, but almost all his stories leave me cold. *Hate* Brigitta. There are only two stories of his I've liked enough to re-read: the Robin Hood story (Paperin Hood) and The Butterflies of Columbus. Oh, and I'd like to have Amundsen's Talisman on decent paper, just for the art (the story falls somewhere between "aimless picaresque" and "acid trip"). That's it. The rest of the stories Scarpa wrote could disappear and I'd feel no sense of personal loss. I do like a couple he drew that others wrote, though: Cimino's Perfect Happiness, especially, and Chendi's Being Good for Goodness' Sake.
And then there's the Disney comics creator who's never going to get a hardcover collection with his name on it, but whose name is connected with more of my favorite stories than anyone else other than Barks or Rosa: Paul Halas. On most of the stories I have in mind, he's credited with the plot only, while someone else wrote the script. But I still have to give him a shout-out. And if I were playing FF, some of his writing/plotting would show up in the Rota and Branca volumes.
That said, if we're playing Fantasy Fantagraphics here (a la Fantasy Football), I'd be equally thrilled to have single "best of" volumes (assuming I get to choose the "best" stories: them's the rules of FF) of Rota, Korhonen, Ferioli, Ziche (I agree, Mr. M!), Vicar, Geradts, Lustig, Gerstein, William Van Horn, Cavazzano, Carpi, early Branca..... Not Scarpa--at least, not as author/artist. Yes, he's terribly important and influential and all, but almost all his stories leave me cold. *Hate* Brigitta. There are only two stories of his I've liked enough to re-read: the Robin Hood story (Paperin Hood) and The Butterflies of Columbus. Oh, and I'd like to have Amundsen's Talisman on decent paper, just for the art (the story falls somewhere between "aimless picaresque" and "acid trip"). That's it. The rest of the stories Scarpa wrote could disappear and I'd feel no sense of personal loss. I do like a couple he drew that others wrote, though: Cimino's Perfect Happiness, especially, and Chendi's Being Good for Goodness' Sake.
And then there's the Disney comics creator who's never going to get a hardcover collection with his name on it, but whose name is connected with more of my favorite stories than anyone else other than Barks or Rosa: Paul Halas. On most of the stories I have in mind, he's credited with the plot only, while someone else wrote the script. But I still have to give him a shout-out. And if I were playing FF, some of his writing/plotting would show up in the Rota and Branca volumes.
Charlie Brown
Paul Murry
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2013-09-05 at 07:52:41
I loved the adventure and crime stories with Mickey and Goofy as a child. Later I realized that most of my favorite ones were drawn by Paul Murry and written by Carl Fallberg.
But I don't think a complete collection of Mr. Murry's work is necessary. A "best of" hardcover collection would be perfect. The same should be done with Vicar, Daniel Branca, Romano Scarpa and William van Horn. Other artist could follow.
But I don't think a complete collection of Mr. Murry's work is necessary. A "best of" hardcover collection would be perfect. The same should be done with Vicar, Daniel Branca, Romano Scarpa and William van Horn. Other artist could follow.
Sigvald
Paul Murry
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2013-09-05 at 08:39:39
Quote from user: MatildaAnd then there's the Disney comics creator who's never going to get a hardcover collection with his name on it, but whose name is connected with more of my favorite stories than anyone else other than Barks or Rosa: Paul Halas.
Unfortunately, Egmont seems to have made Halas into more or less an assembly line story-writer. First, most all of his stories written for the weekly's, are between 10 and 16 pages - thus he misses the variation that we find in the works by other writers like Barks, Gottfredsson, Fallberg, Rosa, etc. Also his stories are drawn by many different artist, thus he also misses the uniform look that we find in stories drawn by one arist only, like the stories drawn by Barks, Rosa, Gottfredson, Murry, William Van Horn, Arild Midthun, etc.
Personaly, I think that Halas' stories often are to much based on whims rather that rescearch and logic. Like in Frozen Assets from 2005, where he has Duckburg hit by a new ice age as a result of Magica De Spell altering a nearby ocean current. The problem is that this doesn't make any sense as the The California Current that moves south along the western coast of North America is moving northern waters southward and thus makes the coastal waters on the western coast of the United States cooler than the coastal areas of comparable latitude on the eastern coast of the United States. So, any altering of this current would actualy make the climte on the western coast of North America (including Barks' Calisota/Duckburg) warmer, not colder.
Unfortunately, Egmont seems to have made Halas into more or less an assembly line story-writer. First, most all of his stories written for the weekly's, are between 10 and 16 pages - thus he misses the variation that we find in the works by other writers like Barks, Gottfredsson, Fallberg, Rosa, etc. Also his stories are drawn by many different artist, thus he also misses the uniform look that we find in stories drawn by one arist only, like the stories drawn by Barks, Rosa, Gottfredson, Murry, William Van Horn, Arild Midthun, etc.
Personaly, I think that Halas' stories often are to much based on whims rather that rescearch and logic. Like in Frozen Assets from 2005, where he has Duckburg hit by a new ice age as a result of Magica De Spell altering a nearby ocean current. The problem is that this doesn't make any sense as the The California Current that moves south along the western coast of North America is moving northern waters southward and thus makes the coastal waters on the western coast of the United States cooler than the coastal areas of comparable latitude on the eastern coast of the United States. So, any altering of this current would actualy make the climte on the western coast of North America (including Barks' Calisota/Duckburg) warmer, not colder.
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