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Topic: Le inedite follie inglesi: William Ward Duck comics of the 30ies
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Kurt Appel
Le inedite follie inglesi: William Ward Duck comics of the 30ies
Message 1 -
2013-08-06 at 07:22:34
Some months ago the Italian fumetto club has published all of the William Ward Donald Duck comics which were released in the English Mickey Mouse weekly between 1937 and 1940. Ward was (together with the Serbian Belkic) the first author who wrote long Donald Duck adventures with Donald as main protagonist. This issue collects all of the 12 adventures of Donald Duck and his great Mac the Sailor. These stories are really exciting and don´t know some of the later Disney taboos (one time Donald tries to murder an enemy). I hope very much that they will be published once also in English!
AzureBlue
Le inedite follie inglesi: William Ward Duck comics of the 30ies
Message 2 -
2013-08-06 at 18:15:09
Quote from user: Kurt AppelSome months ago the Italian fumetto club has published all of the William Ward Donald Duck comics which were released in the English Mickey Mouse weekly between 1937 and 1940. Ward was (together with the Serbian Belkic) the first author who wrote long Donald Duck adventures with Donald as main protagonist. This issue collects all of the 12 adventures of Donald Duck and his great Mac the Sailor. These stories are really exciting and don´t know some of the later Disney taboos (one time Donald tries to murder an enemy). I hope very much that they will be published once also in English!
Man I hope so too!
Man I hope so too!
Robb_K
Le inedite follie inglesi: William Ward Duck comics of the 30ies
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2013-08-06 at 19:01:26
Quote from user: Kurt AppelSome months ago the Italian fumetto club has published all of the William Ward Donald Duck comics which were released in the English Mickey Mouse weekly between 1937 and 1940. Ward was (together with the Serbian Belkic) the first author who wrote long Donald Duck adventures with Donald as main protagonist. This issue collects all of the 12 adventures of Donald Duck and his great Mac the Sailor. These stories are really exciting and don´t know some of the later Disney taboos (one time Donald tries to murder an enemy). I hope very much that they will be published once also in English!
I do too. I really like those 1930s comics. Without them, we have no Donald Duck stories from the 1930s, except as a supporting character to Mickey (other than his debut in "The little Red Hen".
I do too. I really like those 1930s comics. Without them, we have no Donald Duck stories from the 1930s, except as a supporting character to Mickey (other than his debut in "The little Red Hen".
Timoro
Le inedite follie inglesi: William Ward Duck comics of the 30ies
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2013-08-07 at 20:08:14
Quote from user: Robb_KI do too. I really like those 1930s comics. Without them, we have no Donald Duck stories from the 1930s, except as a supporting character to Mickey (other than his debut in "The little Red Hen".
Surely there are those few longer adventure stories by Italian Federico Pedrocchi: Paolino Paperino e il mistero di Marte (in English: Floyd Gottfredson Library III), Paolino Paperino inviato speciale and Paperino e la pietra filosofale, all made in 1937 - 38.
But I sure would like to see and read those William Ward's Duck stories!
Timo
Surely there are those few longer adventure stories by Italian Federico Pedrocchi: Paolino Paperino e il mistero di Marte (in English: Floyd Gottfredson Library III), Paolino Paperino inviato speciale and Paperino e la pietra filosofale, all made in 1937 - 38.
But I sure would like to see and read those William Ward's Duck stories!
Timo
Robb_K
Le inedite follie inglesi: William Ward Duck comics of the 30ies
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2013-08-07 at 21:20:24
Quote from user: timoroQuote from user: Robb_KI do too. I really like those 1930s comics. Without them, we have no Donald Duck stories from the 1930s, except as a supporting character to Mickey (other than his debut in "The little Red Hen".
Surely there are those few longer adventure stories by Italian Federico Pedrocchi: Paolino Paperino e il mistero di Marte (in English: Floyd Gottfredson Library III), Paolino Paperino inviato speciale and Paperino e la pietra filosofale, all made in 1937 - 38.
But I sure would like to see and read those William Ward's Duck stories!
Timo
I had forgotten those. But I will be getting The Gottfredson Library III and IV (boxed set) in early November. So, I will have have them in English. I hope the Ward stories will also be printed in English in some book.
Surely there are those few longer adventure stories by Italian Federico Pedrocchi: Paolino Paperino e il mistero di Marte (in English: Floyd Gottfredson Library III), Paolino Paperino inviato speciale and Paperino e la pietra filosofale, all made in 1937 - 38.
But I sure would like to see and read those William Ward's Duck stories!
Timo
I had forgotten those. But I will be getting The Gottfredson Library III and IV (boxed set) in early November. So, I will have have them in English. I hope the Ward stories will also be printed in English in some book.
GeoX
Le inedite follie inglesi: William Ward Duck comics of the 30ies
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2013-08-08 at 02:10:20
Ward's first story, at least, makes promiscuous use of our worst racial slur, which fact would seem rather likely to preclude its unexpurgated reprinting. Sure, there are dicey moments in Gottfredson, but this seems likely to be a bridge too far.
Robb_K
Le inedite follie inglesi: William Ward Duck comics of the 30ies
Message 7 -
2013-08-08 at 03:34:55
Quote from user: GeoXWard's first story, at least, makes promiscuous use of our worst racial slur, which fact would seem rather likely to preclude its unexpurgated reprinting. Sure, there are dicey moments in Gottfredson, but this seems likely to be a bridge too far.
That's too bad. But we should be able to read it, with a preface explaining that The British people are no longer so openly racist as they were back then.
That's too bad. But we should be able to read it, with a preface explaining that The British people are no longer so openly racist as they were back then.
GeoX
Le inedite follie inglesi: William Ward Duck comics of the 30ies
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2013-08-08 at 05:36:32
I wouldn't argue the point; I think a complete reprint of the Ward oeuvre would be of great historical value. Seems unlikely, however.
Cacou
Le inedite follie inglesi: William Ward Duck comics of the 30ies
Message 9 -
2013-08-08 at 08:12:44
Additionally, there is a pre-WWII Yugoslavian "Mickey & Donald" story
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=XY+MM++32
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=XY+MM++32
Artemi
Le inedite follie inglesi: William Ward Duck comics of the 30ies
Message 10 -
2013-08-08 at 09:07:27
Quote from user: cacouAdditionally, there is a pre-WWII Yugoslavian "Mickey & Donald" story
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=XY+MM++32
There must have been more. It seems likely that it's the only one indexed at Inducks as of now...
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=XY+MM++32
There must have been more. It seems likely that it's the only one indexed at Inducks as of now...
Cacou
Le inedite follie inglesi: William Ward Duck comics of the 30ies
Message 11 -
2013-08-08 at 14:24:06
Quote from user: ArtemiQuote from user: cacouAdditionally, there is a pre-WWII Yugoslavian "Mickey & Donald" story
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=XY+MM++32
There must have been more. It seems likely that it's the only one indexed at Inducks as of now...
Why?
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=XY+MM++32
There must have been more. It seems likely that it's the only one indexed at Inducks as of now...
Why?
Artemi
Le inedite follie inglesi: William Ward Duck comics of the 30ies
Message 12 -
2013-08-08 at 17:26:18
Well, it seems unlikely that a country produces only one story during a certain period of time. I think there were such events (Portugal really seems to have produced only one story so far, for example), but they are not very typical. A bit later (post-WWII and onwards) Yugoslavia produced a lot of stories, so it seems unlikely that there was only one pre-WWII. However, I am not trying to state or prove anything. It's only a guess.
Which is also based on the fact that rare-production stories (i.e. Egypt, Argentina, Chile, Yugoslavia, Sweden etc etc) are very poorly indexed on Inducks in general, so there is a great void which is yet to be filled.
Which is also based on the fact that rare-production stories (i.e. Egypt, Argentina, Chile, Yugoslavia, Sweden etc etc) are very poorly indexed on Inducks in general, so there is a great void which is yet to be filled.
Cacou
Le inedite follie inglesi: William Ward Duck comics of the 30ies
Message 13 -
2013-08-09 at 09:57:24
Quote from user: ArtemiWell, it seems unlikely that a country produces only one story during a certain period of time. I think there were such events (Portugal really seems to have produced only one story so far, for example), but they are not very typical. A bit later (post-WWII and onwards) Yugoslavia produced a lot of stories, so it seems unlikely that there was only one pre-WWII. However, I am not trying to state or prove anything. It's only a guess.
Which is also based on the fact that rare-production stories (i.e. Egypt, Argentina, Chile, Yugoslavia, Sweden etc etc) are very poorly indexed on Inducks in general, so there is a great void which is yet to be filled.
Artemi,
Actually, there are about 30 Yugoslavian stories in Inducks (not counting covers or illustrations). The ones that I mentioned is the only story that has Donald Duck as hero (excluding gags or short stories).
Nearly all of the Yugoslavian stories are pre-war materials. The only post-war Yugoslavian story that I know is XY MZ 1205 from 1999 ( http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=XY+MZ+1205&pg=1#scans ). I'm not aware of others.
The data from Yugoslavia comes from various sources (originally D. Ghez, Z. Zupan). In the early 2000s, we were among the first people to report the existence of those stories, at least "internationally", as the stories were of course known among people from Serbia. This is a very complicate matter because the Yugoslavian stories were published in many different comics. We have now first-hand info from people there (M. DavidoviÄ?), but the comics are, as you can guess, quite rare.
I wouldn't be able to tell how much of the original Yugoslavian production we are missing. I don't think they made thousands of these. Hopefully, most long stories were published in several installments so there is a higher chance to discover at least some of them; the drawback is that we often have incomplete info on those stories. Most pre-war Yugoslavian comics are not completely indexed, but a high priority is given to indexing original material, so this is not a good measure of the number of unindexed stories.
Regarding the other countries:
- Sweden (< 100 stories): given all the Swedish Disney comics fans out there, several of them contributors to Inducks, I'd guess we are nearly complete (anyone from Sweden can tell?). I vaguely recall that we have even indexed obscure comics that actually are ads for a brand of toothpaste...
- Chile (a bit less than 100 stories): I know almost nothing about these. Most stories seem to come from "Aventuras Walt Disney", about 60 issues out of 180 indexed so far, so by a rough estimate we're missing 2/3 of the stories; however many stories have been indexed but not yet given any code as we're not sure if they're original; information is quite rare on those stories but there are indexers from Chile helping;
- Argentina (lots of stories): the bick black area; many original stories by Luis Destuet aren't known; original comics are rare (and cost a lot of money), no Argentinian collector has helped much so far.
- Egypt (about 10 stories): we've had two Egyptian contributors who went through their collections to find out original material. The stories were published in the Egyptian weekly. I have exchanged quite lots of mails with these persons, and from what we found out we are probably not missing many more original long stories.
The second black point you don't mention is United Kingdom. There are many original stories that haven't been indexed, and we haven't been in touch with any collector from the UK as far as I know. F. Aasgard is our expert there and has provided lots of data. There are also many stories which are redrawn US material, the indexing of these being a bit complex.
Other "productions" so far (Turkey, China, Spain etc.) seem to be very minor, but of course there could be surprises...
Which is also based on the fact that rare-production stories (i.e. Egypt, Argentina, Chile, Yugoslavia, Sweden etc etc) are very poorly indexed on Inducks in general, so there is a great void which is yet to be filled.
Artemi,
Actually, there are about 30 Yugoslavian stories in Inducks (not counting covers or illustrations). The ones that I mentioned is the only story that has Donald Duck as hero (excluding gags or short stories).
Nearly all of the Yugoslavian stories are pre-war materials. The only post-war Yugoslavian story that I know is XY MZ 1205 from 1999 ( http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=XY+MZ+1205&pg=1#scans ). I'm not aware of others.
The data from Yugoslavia comes from various sources (originally D. Ghez, Z. Zupan). In the early 2000s, we were among the first people to report the existence of those stories, at least "internationally", as the stories were of course known among people from Serbia. This is a very complicate matter because the Yugoslavian stories were published in many different comics. We have now first-hand info from people there (M. DavidoviÄ?), but the comics are, as you can guess, quite rare.
I wouldn't be able to tell how much of the original Yugoslavian production we are missing. I don't think they made thousands of these. Hopefully, most long stories were published in several installments so there is a higher chance to discover at least some of them; the drawback is that we often have incomplete info on those stories. Most pre-war Yugoslavian comics are not completely indexed, but a high priority is given to indexing original material, so this is not a good measure of the number of unindexed stories.
Regarding the other countries:
- Sweden (< 100 stories): given all the Swedish Disney comics fans out there, several of them contributors to Inducks, I'd guess we are nearly complete (anyone from Sweden can tell?). I vaguely recall that we have even indexed obscure comics that actually are ads for a brand of toothpaste...
- Chile (a bit less than 100 stories): I know almost nothing about these. Most stories seem to come from "Aventuras Walt Disney", about 60 issues out of 180 indexed so far, so by a rough estimate we're missing 2/3 of the stories; however many stories have been indexed but not yet given any code as we're not sure if they're original; information is quite rare on those stories but there are indexers from Chile helping;
- Argentina (lots of stories): the bick black area; many original stories by Luis Destuet aren't known; original comics are rare (and cost a lot of money), no Argentinian collector has helped much so far.
- Egypt (about 10 stories): we've had two Egyptian contributors who went through their collections to find out original material. The stories were published in the Egyptian weekly. I have exchanged quite lots of mails with these persons, and from what we found out we are probably not missing many more original long stories.
The second black point you don't mention is United Kingdom. There are many original stories that haven't been indexed, and we haven't been in touch with any collector from the UK as far as I know. F. Aasgard is our expert there and has provided lots of data. There are also many stories which are redrawn US material, the indexing of these being a bit complex.
Other "productions" so far (Turkey, China, Spain etc.) seem to be very minor, but of course there could be surprises...
Kurt Appel
Le inedite follie inglesi: William Ward Duck comics of the 30ies
Message 14 -
2013-08-09 at 12:22:59
Inducks is a fantastic resource and I´m very grateful to all of the indexers! Thank you!
Quote from user: cacouQuote from user: ArtemiWell, it seems unlikely that a country produces only one story during a certain period of time. I think there were such events (Portugal really seems to have produced only one story so far, for example), but they are not very typical. A bit later (post-WWII and onwards) Yugoslavia produced a lot of stories, so it seems unlikely that there was only one pre-WWII. However, I am not trying to state or prove anything. It's only a guess.
Which is also based on the fact that rare-production stories (i.e. Egypt, Argentina, Chile, Yugoslavia, Sweden etc etc) are very poorly indexed on Inducks in general, so there is a great void which is yet to be filled.
Artemi,
Actually, there are about 30 Yugoslavian stories in Inducks (not counting covers or illustrations). The ones that I mentioned is the only story that has Donald Duck as hero (excluding gags or short stories).
Nearly all of the Yugoslavian stories are pre-war materials. The only post-war Yugoslavian story that I know is XY MZ 1205 from 1999 ( http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=XY+MZ+1205&pg=1#scans ). I'm not aware of others.
The data from Yugoslavia comes from various sources (originally D. Ghez, Z. Zupan). In the early 2000s, we were among the first people to report the existence of those stories, I would say "internationally", as the stories were known among people from Serbia of course. This is a very complicate matter because the Yugoslavian stories were published in many different comics. We have now first-hand info from people there (M. DavidoviÄ?), but the comics are, as you can guess, quite rare.
I wouldn't be able to tell how much of the original Yugoslavian production we are missing. Hopefully, most long stories were published in several installments so there is a higher chance to discover at least some of them; the drawback is that we often have incomplete info on those stories. Most pre-war Yugoslavian comics are not completely indexed, but a high priority is given to indexing original material, so this is not a good measure of the number of unindexed stories.
Regarding the other countries:
- Sweden (< 100 stories): given all the Swedish Disney comics fans out there, several of them contributors to Inducks, I'd guess we are nearly complete (anyone from Sweden can tell?)
- Chile (a bit less than 100 stories): I know almost nothing about these. Most stories seem to come from "Aventuras Walt Disney", about 60 issues out of 180 indexed so far, so by a rough estimate we're missing 2/3 of the stories; however many stories have been indexed but not yet given any code as we're not sure if they're original; information is quite rare on those stories but there are indexers from Chile helping;
- Argentina (lots of stories): the bick black area; many original stories by Luis Destuet aren't known; original comics are rare (and cost a lot of money), no Argentinian collector who could help us so far.
- Egypt (about 10 stories): we've had two Egyptian contributors who went through their collections to find out original material. The stories were published in the Egyptian weekly. I have exchanged quite lots of mails with these persons, and from what we found out there are probably not missing many more original long stories.
The second black point you don't mention is United Kingdom. There are many original stories that haven't been indexed, and we haven't been in touch with any collector from the UK as far as I know. There are also many stories which are redrawn US material, the indexing of these being a bit complex.
Other "productions" so far (Turkey, China etc.) seem to be very minor, but of course there could be surprises...
Quote from user: cacouQuote from user: ArtemiWell, it seems unlikely that a country produces only one story during a certain period of time. I think there were such events (Portugal really seems to have produced only one story so far, for example), but they are not very typical. A bit later (post-WWII and onwards) Yugoslavia produced a lot of stories, so it seems unlikely that there was only one pre-WWII. However, I am not trying to state or prove anything. It's only a guess.
Which is also based on the fact that rare-production stories (i.e. Egypt, Argentina, Chile, Yugoslavia, Sweden etc etc) are very poorly indexed on Inducks in general, so there is a great void which is yet to be filled.
Artemi,
Actually, there are about 30 Yugoslavian stories in Inducks (not counting covers or illustrations). The ones that I mentioned is the only story that has Donald Duck as hero (excluding gags or short stories).
Nearly all of the Yugoslavian stories are pre-war materials. The only post-war Yugoslavian story that I know is XY MZ 1205 from 1999 ( http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=XY+MZ+1205&pg=1#scans ). I'm not aware of others.
The data from Yugoslavia comes from various sources (originally D. Ghez, Z. Zupan). In the early 2000s, we were among the first people to report the existence of those stories, I would say "internationally", as the stories were known among people from Serbia of course. This is a very complicate matter because the Yugoslavian stories were published in many different comics. We have now first-hand info from people there (M. DavidoviÄ?), but the comics are, as you can guess, quite rare.
I wouldn't be able to tell how much of the original Yugoslavian production we are missing. Hopefully, most long stories were published in several installments so there is a higher chance to discover at least some of them; the drawback is that we often have incomplete info on those stories. Most pre-war Yugoslavian comics are not completely indexed, but a high priority is given to indexing original material, so this is not a good measure of the number of unindexed stories.
Regarding the other countries:
- Sweden (< 100 stories): given all the Swedish Disney comics fans out there, several of them contributors to Inducks, I'd guess we are nearly complete (anyone from Sweden can tell?)
- Chile (a bit less than 100 stories): I know almost nothing about these. Most stories seem to come from "Aventuras Walt Disney", about 60 issues out of 180 indexed so far, so by a rough estimate we're missing 2/3 of the stories; however many stories have been indexed but not yet given any code as we're not sure if they're original; information is quite rare on those stories but there are indexers from Chile helping;
- Argentina (lots of stories): the bick black area; many original stories by Luis Destuet aren't known; original comics are rare (and cost a lot of money), no Argentinian collector who could help us so far.
- Egypt (about 10 stories): we've had two Egyptian contributors who went through their collections to find out original material. The stories were published in the Egyptian weekly. I have exchanged quite lots of mails with these persons, and from what we found out there are probably not missing many more original long stories.
The second black point you don't mention is United Kingdom. There are many original stories that haven't been indexed, and we haven't been in touch with any collector from the UK as far as I know. There are also many stories which are redrawn US material, the indexing of these being a bit complex.
Other "productions" so far (Turkey, China etc.) seem to be very minor, but of course there could be surprises...
Artemi
Le inedite follie inglesi: William Ward Duck comics of the 30ies
Message 15 -
2013-08-10 at 09:10:36
Thanks, cacou and sorry for confusing things a bit (I thought most Yugoslavian material on Inducks was post-war (around 1949 - 1959)). Well, as you have said, there may be surprises. Let's hope there are.
It's good that you mention countries like Spain, Turkey, China.
Other rare producers of stories are Australia, Finland, Poland and Belgium. Can you comment on those, please?
...which leads me to another conclusion: most rare production stories are criminally ignored and are sadly almost never reprinted in the world.
It's good that you mention countries like Spain, Turkey, China.
Other rare producers of stories are Australia, Finland, Poland and Belgium. Can you comment on those, please?
...which leads me to another conclusion: most rare production stories are criminally ignored and are sadly almost never reprinted in the world.
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