Thanks Matilda :)
Quote from user: MatildaScrooge has told Donald that Christmas was forbidden for centuries in Scotland,
Boy, thats sad. Did they explain historical conetxt *WHY* it was forbiden?
I asuming that Jake McDuch is 100% ignore in this story...
Quote from user: MatildaPlus, psychologically I'm attracted to the idea (my own, the story doesn't explicitly suggest this) that the money bin might play such a huge role in Scrooge's life not only because it holds his precious money, but also because it bears a certain continuity of function with his father's handmade gift to him, the only Christmas gift he received in childhood.
Interesting. Rosa never gave us explenation how Scrooge got the idea for the Money Bin. This one sounds like a good one :)
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Topic: Matilda McDuck
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Mr. M
Matilda McDuck
Message 31 -
2013-03-14 at 22:58:53
Matilda
Matilda McDuck
Message 32 -
2013-03-15 at 00:54:39
Mr. M, they do not explain why Christmas was forbidden. I assume that's because it was forbidden for religious reasons; the Calvinist/Presbyterian state church of Scotland was against the celebration of Christmas. And Disney comics try to stay away from matters of religious belief/practice. Of course the Puritans who were the first European settlers in New England were religiously opposed to celebrating Christmas (and any other particular festival), too.
And yes, Jake is unmentioned. But there's no reason to expect that other relatives would be involved, given that Christmas was *not* a family holiday in Scotland, and the only reason that Scrooge's immediate family celebrates it this once is to satisfy his childish wish.
I think Barks sufficiently explained the origin of the money bin as a necessary storage venue for all that cash...but I still think that this association with his father's gift could help explain Scrooge's emotional investment in the bin itself. His father's gift, of course, is also just a symbolic reinforcement of the family (and generally Scottish, in a stereotype with some grounding in reality) value placed on SAVING money.
And yes, Jake is unmentioned. But there's no reason to expect that other relatives would be involved, given that Christmas was *not* a family holiday in Scotland, and the only reason that Scrooge's immediate family celebrates it this once is to satisfy his childish wish.
I think Barks sufficiently explained the origin of the money bin as a necessary storage venue for all that cash...but I still think that this association with his father's gift could help explain Scrooge's emotional investment in the bin itself. His father's gift, of course, is also just a symbolic reinforcement of the family (and generally Scottish, in a stereotype with some grounding in reality) value placed on SAVING money.
Review Or Die
Matilda McDuck
Message 33 -
2013-03-15 at 01:55:46
Quote from user: Mr. MThanks Matilda :)
Quote from user: MatildaScrooge has told Donald that Christmas was forbidden for centuries in Scotland,
Boy, thats sad. Did they explain historical conetxt *WHY* it was forbiden?
I asuming that Jake McDuch is 100% ignore in this story...
Quote from user: MatildaPlus, psychologically I'm attracted to the idea (my own, the story doesn't explicitly suggest this) that the money bin might play such a huge role in Scrooge's life not only because it holds his precious money, but also because it bears a certain continuity of function with his father's handmade gift to him, the only Christmas gift he received in childhood.
Interesting. Rosa never gave us explenation how Scrooge got the idea for the Money Bin. This one sounds like a good one :)
It was the "do you want a whole coal bin full of the stuff?" line from Chapter 2 that planted the seeds.
Quote from user: MatildaScrooge has told Donald that Christmas was forbidden for centuries in Scotland,
Boy, thats sad. Did they explain historical conetxt *WHY* it was forbiden?
I asuming that Jake McDuch is 100% ignore in this story...
Quote from user: MatildaPlus, psychologically I'm attracted to the idea (my own, the story doesn't explicitly suggest this) that the money bin might play such a huge role in Scrooge's life not only because it holds his precious money, but also because it bears a certain continuity of function with his father's handmade gift to him, the only Christmas gift he received in childhood.
Interesting. Rosa never gave us explenation how Scrooge got the idea for the Money Bin. This one sounds like a good one :)
It was the "do you want a whole coal bin full of the stuff?" line from Chapter 2 that planted the seeds.
Baar Baar Jinx
Matilda McDuck
Message 34 -
2013-03-16 at 14:15:40
Quote from user: Mr. MI asuming that Jake McDuch is 100% ignore in this story...
He should have been around during the aforementioned flashback, but I don't think we really know what exactly became of Jake McDuck. He just disappears at some point during the L&T timeline, with no clear explanation of his fate. Was Rosa saving this storyline for an additional chapter he never had the chance to write? I'm convinced Scrooge knew his Uncle Jake was dead when Donald tried to impersonate him in "A Christmas for Shacktown". Scrooge must have seen right through Donald's disguise, and the loan he mentions may never have happened. Shoddy homework on Donald's part.
Quote from user: Review Or DieIt was the "do you want a whole coal bin full of the stuff?" line from Chapter 2 that planted the seeds.
Yes, but that was a humorous origin, based on a throwaway line by a second-rung character. The idea that Scrooge subconsciously sees his money bin as a connection to a childhood gift from his father is much more emotionally fulfilling, if you like that sort of thing.
He should have been around during the aforementioned flashback, but I don't think we really know what exactly became of Jake McDuck. He just disappears at some point during the L&T timeline, with no clear explanation of his fate. Was Rosa saving this storyline for an additional chapter he never had the chance to write? I'm convinced Scrooge knew his Uncle Jake was dead when Donald tried to impersonate him in "A Christmas for Shacktown". Scrooge must have seen right through Donald's disguise, and the loan he mentions may never have happened. Shoddy homework on Donald's part.
Quote from user: Review Or DieIt was the "do you want a whole coal bin full of the stuff?" line from Chapter 2 that planted the seeds.
Yes, but that was a humorous origin, based on a throwaway line by a second-rung character. The idea that Scrooge subconsciously sees his money bin as a connection to a childhood gift from his father is much more emotionally fulfilling, if you like that sort of thing.
Mr. M
Matilda McDuck
Message 35 -
2013-03-16 at 14:44:57
Than agian... Did Rosa stories mentioned in any way that Jake was living in the same house as other McDuck? He could very well live on his own and drop a visit once a while, so him being apstent during this small private Christmas celebration would make sence...
Dutch Duckfan Down Under
Matilda McDuck
Message 36 -
2013-03-16 at 14:58:19
Quote from user: Mr. MThan agian... Did Rosa stories mentioned in any way that Jake was living in the same house as other McDuck? He could very well live on his own and drop a visit once a while, so him being apstent during this small private Christmas celebration would make sence...
Yes, he did. In chapter 1 of L&T, they are seen as all living under the same roof. (Also in the memories at the end of chapter 11.) It's implied that the McDucks took permament residence in the castle in 1885, after the events of chapter 5. Jake is last seen in 1896, at the beginning of chapter 7, but is mysteriously absent when Scrooge returns 6 years later, in chapter 9. Scrooge doesn't mention him when visiting his mother's grave.
Technically, he could have lived on his own after Scrooge went to America. Note that he's absent from the flashbacks in "A Letter From Home". But it seems unlikely that they wouldn't celebrate Christmas/Hogmanay together.
Yes, he did. In chapter 1 of L&T, they are seen as all living under the same roof. (Also in the memories at the end of chapter 11.) It's implied that the McDucks took permament residence in the castle in 1885, after the events of chapter 5. Jake is last seen in 1896, at the beginning of chapter 7, but is mysteriously absent when Scrooge returns 6 years later, in chapter 9. Scrooge doesn't mention him when visiting his mother's grave.
Technically, he could have lived on his own after Scrooge went to America. Note that he's absent from the flashbacks in "A Letter From Home". But it seems unlikely that they wouldn't celebrate Christmas/Hogmanay together.