This "Barks" drawing was auctioned a few days ago by Profiles in History:
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/11995758_carl-barks-signed-preliminary-pencil-sketch
It's obviously not by Carl Barks.
How much it sold for? $1000...
What to say...?
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Topic: Fake Barks art sold at Profiles in History
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Joakim Gunnarsson
Fake Barks art sold at Profiles in History
Message 1 -
2012-08-03 at 20:52:22
Mr. M
Fake Barks art sold at Profiles in History
Message 2 -
2012-08-05 at 21:13:14
This is just sad :(
I remember few years ago Don Rosa complain how he found drawings on Ebay which he didn't drawn (complitly diffrent art style) yet somebody sing with his name or clame it was made by Don Rosa...
I remember few years ago Don Rosa complain how he found drawings on Ebay which he didn't drawn (complitly diffrent art style) yet somebody sing with his name or clame it was made by Don Rosa...
Runner
Fake Barks art sold at Profiles in History
Message 3 -
2012-08-07 at 07:25:21
Quote from user: Joakim GunnarssonThis "Barks" drawing was auctioned a few days ago by Profiles in History:
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/11995758_carl-barks-signed-preliminary-pencil-sketch
It's obviously not by Carl Barks.
How much it sold for? $1000...
What to say...?
I feel I am pretty good at distinguishing e g Barks from non-Barks, but it is a lot easier with comic books drawings, although they of course are already published so you know the facts already.
His newer sketches and preliminary drawings from 1970's and 1980's I find harder to recognize since his style was a bit mixed with elements both from his best years and 1960's such as in this example with long Donald beak but otherwise rather new and rough in style sometimes even to some degree in the finished painting.
Since you mentioned it I could suspect the rather ugly drawn whiskers of Scrooge and maybe his very circular pupils but I would not be too surprised if Barks just was not putting his best effort in this drawing.
I would have to look att similar drawings to be sure myself.
Barks drawing of Donald for the cover of the Donald Duck illustrating the story Officer for a day is a comic book example also of a rather not 100 % Barks feeling of Donald's face (with the nephew normal).
Is there another version of this motif that is really drawn by Barks so you can compare them ?
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In 1977 I bought a Barks original, rather cheap, of the first half page of Trick or Treat and was not suspicius of the quality of the drawing although a little dot or two of the on the original was not included in the published comic book version but I hoped that had a natural explanation. You could also see letters C C signing meaning Chase Craig who was Barks contact at the publisher I presume.
I do not own it anymore, shame on me :-)
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/11995758_carl-barks-signed-preliminary-pencil-sketch
It's obviously not by Carl Barks.
How much it sold for? $1000...
What to say...?
I feel I am pretty good at distinguishing e g Barks from non-Barks, but it is a lot easier with comic books drawings, although they of course are already published so you know the facts already.
His newer sketches and preliminary drawings from 1970's and 1980's I find harder to recognize since his style was a bit mixed with elements both from his best years and 1960's such as in this example with long Donald beak but otherwise rather new and rough in style sometimes even to some degree in the finished painting.
Since you mentioned it I could suspect the rather ugly drawn whiskers of Scrooge and maybe his very circular pupils but I would not be too surprised if Barks just was not putting his best effort in this drawing.
I would have to look att similar drawings to be sure myself.
Barks drawing of Donald for the cover of the Donald Duck illustrating the story Officer for a day is a comic book example also of a rather not 100 % Barks feeling of Donald's face (with the nephew normal).
Is there another version of this motif that is really drawn by Barks so you can compare them ?
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In 1977 I bought a Barks original, rather cheap, of the first half page of Trick or Treat and was not suspicius of the quality of the drawing although a little dot or two of the on the original was not included in the published comic book version but I hoped that had a natural explanation. You could also see letters C C signing meaning Chase Craig who was Barks contact at the publisher I presume.
I do not own it anymore, shame on me :-)
Dutch Duckfan Down Under
Fake Barks art sold at Profiles in History
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2012-08-07 at 15:43:58
Quote from user: RunnerIs there another version of this motif that is really drawn by Barks so you can compare them ?
This is the finished painting.
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=CB+OIL++51
This is the finished painting.
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=CB+OIL++51
Runner
Fake Barks art sold at Profiles in History
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2012-08-07 at 17:20:17
Quote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderQuote from user: RunnerIs there another version of this motif that is really drawn by Barks so you can compare them ?
This is the finished painting.
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=CB+OIL++51
Aha, thank you, I was to lazy or rather in this case had little time to look it up myself :-)
So the finished original still have the "odd" elements I stated above as possible clues of a nonBarks drawing. Then I could not not say I think it is a fake from my point of view only of course.
With some late US covers Barks did sometimes more than one (even up to 4) different preliminary versions as sketches.
Maybe this was the case with this painting also ?
Then it might exist another similar sketch to compare with ?
And if the actual originals are available you could compare the paper quality etc . I know nothing of that but some knowledgable people should.
And what does Joakim say about this ?
Greetings from Swedish NAFS(k)-member 336 :-)
This is the finished painting.
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=CB+OIL++51
Aha, thank you, I was to lazy or rather in this case had little time to look it up myself :-)
So the finished original still have the "odd" elements I stated above as possible clues of a nonBarks drawing. Then I could not not say I think it is a fake from my point of view only of course.
With some late US covers Barks did sometimes more than one (even up to 4) different preliminary versions as sketches.
Maybe this was the case with this painting also ?
Then it might exist another similar sketch to compare with ?
And if the actual originals are available you could compare the paper quality etc . I know nothing of that but some knowledgable people should.
And what does Joakim say about this ?
Greetings from Swedish NAFS(k)-member 336 :-)
Robb_K
Fake Barks art sold at Profiles in History
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2012-08-07 at 19:08:22
First of all, that is NOT a "sketch". Secondly, that is NOT remotely reminiscent of Barks' hand (either during his prime, OR during his shaky-handed elderly period (when the real sketch for that drawing was made. That is CLEARLY NOT Carl Barks' work. I find it hard to believe that anyone would believe that it is. There are SO many un-Barkslike elements in that drawing (and signature) that I wouldn't know where to start discussing them. It is totally ridiculous that anyone would have believed that this could pass for a "Barks" preliminary sketch". It looks like some 11-year old drew it, and one of his friends suggested that they try to "pass it off" as a Barks original, just for a lark-to see if the public has a bunch of foolish and ignorant people. I'll curious to learn whether or not anyone is foolish enough to buy it at that price (or any other).
Runner
Fake Barks art sold at Profiles in History
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2012-08-07 at 21:00:11
Quote from user: Robb_KFirst of all, that is NOT a "sketch". Secondly, that is NOT remotely reminiscent of Barks' hand (either during his prime, OR during his shaky-handed elderly period (when the real sketch for that drawing was made. That is CLEARLY NOT Carl Barks' work. I find it hard to believe that anyone would believe that it is. There are SO many un-Barkslike elements in that drawing (and signature) that I wouldn't know where to start discussing them. It is totally ridiculous that anyone would have believed that this could pass for a "Barks" preliminary sketch". It looks like some 11-year old drew it, and one of his friends suggested that they try to "pass it off" as a Barks original, just for a lark-to see if the public has a bunch of foolish and ignorant people. I'll curious to learn whether or not anyone is foolish enough to buy it at that price (or any other).
Maybe I need new glasses :-) . I haven't examined or just looked at different sketches that much. I find them not so interesting as primarily a Barks comics fan. But I think many serious comic book collectors could be fooled if they are not experts in technical matters (like myself who just looks at the result) and no big Barks sketches fans.
Looking a little bit more carefully also the nephews and Donald's eyes look not that good !
Overall my view is that it is a bad drawing, but on the other hand I admit that I don't like several Barks sketches that much either even if they are more "Barksish" and overall usually (always ?) better than the example.
Is there a link to the "real sketch" by Barks ?
Is there any link to many other existing similar Barks sketches ?
Maybe I need new glasses :-) . I haven't examined or just looked at different sketches that much. I find them not so interesting as primarily a Barks comics fan. But I think many serious comic book collectors could be fooled if they are not experts in technical matters (like myself who just looks at the result) and no big Barks sketches fans.
Looking a little bit more carefully also the nephews and Donald's eyes look not that good !
Overall my view is that it is a bad drawing, but on the other hand I admit that I don't like several Barks sketches that much either even if they are more "Barksish" and overall usually (always ?) better than the example.
Is there a link to the "real sketch" by Barks ?
Is there any link to many other existing similar Barks sketches ?
Runner
Fake Barks art sold at Profiles in History
Message 8 -
2012-08-08 at 07:28:40
Not totally off topic :
http://coa.inducks.org/issue.php?c=us/WDC+174
On this rather cover from 1955 Donald's eyes look rather atypical have I always thought. I then wondered if someone else had somewhat redrawn Barks' art, especially Donald's head i.e.
From the same period there is a drawing of Scrooge in a U.S comic book story that is really a failure, although I have no link to it.
Now I see that Daan Jippes reinked Barks Donald here (but not the front nephew at least which is by Barks) on a Dutch cover version. Maybe they didn't like the Barks odd style there :
http://coa.inducks.org/issue.php?c=nl/DD1978-41
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=W+WDC+301-00
This cover from 1965 I have always more doubted it was by Barks, even if I had to buy the comic book before that since it was in an earlier index (Barrier's?) of Carl Barks covers.
Now according to Inducks Geoffrey Blum has written a rather new article about this matter which I have not read. But INDUCKS just state pencils Kay Wright (?). No Barks credit. I think Donald except the cap is somewhat Barksish (or even moreStrobl-like?) but the nephwes ugly nonBarksish.
Just for reference from that period this
http://coa.inducks.org/issue.php?c=us/WDC+303
is very typical Barks art. Both the nephews and Donald are drawn as in the comics.
This one from 1969 http://coa.inducks.org/issue.php?c=us/WDC+350
nearly looks more like Jippes work to me, with a little bit exaggerated expressions, even if I realize it must be Barks.
(Jippes has by the way made a nearly 100 % Barks style cover (not 1940's style) that has a snowy motif like several Barks covers from that late 1960's period. I can't find it now though in Jippes index on INDUCKS, maybe it was a forgotten (or in Netherlands published) Barks cover that I have seen on a Dutch comic book ( I have it elsewhere now) ? ;-) )
http://coa.inducks.org/issue.php?c=us/WDC+351
That is an example of very strange Barks credited nonBarksish looking nephews, as if someone else has done the inking (Kay Wright ?, Larry Mayer ? who was credited some covers at that time).
Maybe Larry Mayer had something to do with the cover of Officer For a Day ? Look at expecially the eyes of Donald and compare these :
http://coa.inducks.org/issue.php?c=us/WDC+347
http://coa.inducks.org/issue.php?c=us/DD++126 But the Beagle Boy and the nephew are very Barksish and therefore obviously by Barks.
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With this I just want to say that even some Barks credited art work look rather strange to me, as well as the drawing discussed above, while most of the master's comic book art work was very consistent although developing over time.
I realize if the signature on it is not a Barks typical one, then it should be a really clumsy fake.
http://coa.inducks.org/issue.php?c=us/WDC+174
On this rather cover from 1955 Donald's eyes look rather atypical have I always thought. I then wondered if someone else had somewhat redrawn Barks' art, especially Donald's head i.e.
From the same period there is a drawing of Scrooge in a U.S comic book story that is really a failure, although I have no link to it.
Now I see that Daan Jippes reinked Barks Donald here (but not the front nephew at least which is by Barks) on a Dutch cover version. Maybe they didn't like the Barks odd style there :
http://coa.inducks.org/issue.php?c=nl/DD1978-41
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=W+WDC+301-00
This cover from 1965 I have always more doubted it was by Barks, even if I had to buy the comic book before that since it was in an earlier index (Barrier's?) of Carl Barks covers.
Now according to Inducks Geoffrey Blum has written a rather new article about this matter which I have not read. But INDUCKS just state pencils Kay Wright (?). No Barks credit. I think Donald except the cap is somewhat Barksish (or even moreStrobl-like?) but the nephwes ugly nonBarksish.
Just for reference from that period this
http://coa.inducks.org/issue.php?c=us/WDC+303
is very typical Barks art. Both the nephews and Donald are drawn as in the comics.
This one from 1969 http://coa.inducks.org/issue.php?c=us/WDC+350
nearly looks more like Jippes work to me, with a little bit exaggerated expressions, even if I realize it must be Barks.
(Jippes has by the way made a nearly 100 % Barks style cover (not 1940's style) that has a snowy motif like several Barks covers from that late 1960's period. I can't find it now though in Jippes index on INDUCKS, maybe it was a forgotten (or in Netherlands published) Barks cover that I have seen on a Dutch comic book ( I have it elsewhere now) ? ;-) )
http://coa.inducks.org/issue.php?c=us/WDC+351
That is an example of very strange Barks credited nonBarksish looking nephews, as if someone else has done the inking (Kay Wright ?, Larry Mayer ? who was credited some covers at that time).
Maybe Larry Mayer had something to do with the cover of Officer For a Day ? Look at expecially the eyes of Donald and compare these :
http://coa.inducks.org/issue.php?c=us/WDC+347
http://coa.inducks.org/issue.php?c=us/DD++126 But the Beagle Boy and the nephew are very Barksish and therefore obviously by Barks.
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With this I just want to say that even some Barks credited art work look rather strange to me, as well as the drawing discussed above, while most of the master's comic book art work was very consistent although developing over time.
I realize if the signature on it is not a Barks typical one, then it should be a really clumsy fake.
Cacou
Runner
Fake Barks art sold at Profiles in History
Message 10 -
2012-08-08 at 09:33:42
Quote from user: cacouWhat about
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/11995761_carl-barks-signed-preliminary-pencil-sketch
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/11995762_two-carl-barks-signed-preliminary-pencil-sketches
To me all three sketches there are a lot more Barksish Duck faces than the proposed fake, thereby for me raising the probability of that the "fake" really is not by Barks, although I am not that experienced in this type of art.
Also the signatures seem more Barkslike.
Maybe I really have underestimated the Barks quality in sketches since these three examples I find a lot more consistent in style.
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/11995761_carl-barks-signed-preliminary-pencil-sketch
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/11995762_two-carl-barks-signed-preliminary-pencil-sketches
To me all three sketches there are a lot more Barksish Duck faces than the proposed fake, thereby for me raising the probability of that the "fake" really is not by Barks, although I am not that experienced in this type of art.
Also the signatures seem more Barkslike.
Maybe I really have underestimated the Barks quality in sketches since these three examples I find a lot more consistent in style.
Runner
Fake Barks art sold at Profiles in History
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2012-08-08 at 09:48:57
Here http://coa.inducks.org/issue.php?c=nl%2FDD1977-04
if this cover from Dutch DD 4 1977 was presented as a "lost" Barks cover from the early 1950's I could not dismiss that if i didn't know better.
I had a subscription for Dutch Donald Duck then because of the Jippes art work and thought it was a Jippes cover, but according to Inducks it is drawn by another obvious genious, Ben Verhagen.
If such top quality (near or around 100 % similarity) Barks imitations would pop up as unknown Barks originals at auctions there could be a really big problem here...
if this cover from Dutch DD 4 1977 was presented as a "lost" Barks cover from the early 1950's I could not dismiss that if i didn't know better.
I had a subscription for Dutch Donald Duck then because of the Jippes art work and thought it was a Jippes cover, but according to Inducks it is drawn by another obvious genious, Ben Verhagen.
If such top quality (near or around 100 % similarity) Barks imitations would pop up as unknown Barks originals at auctions there could be a really big problem here...
Robb_K
Fake Barks art sold at Profiles in History
Message 12 -
2012-08-08 at 09:56:21
You see that when making fan drawings late in his career (after he had stopped drawing all stories and covers for Western Publishing, his hand was shaky (which can be seen in the lines), and most importantly, he always signed the pages in script writing, as opposed to block lettering (similar style to his comic book text balloon printing). The perpitrator of the fraud, apparently photocopied, scanned, or digitally photoed Barks' original sketch (which came out light). Then, he or she drew lines on a new sheet of paper over Barks' lines while putting both papers over a light table. Anyone selling art purported to be from Barks' own hand should know that he ALWAYS signed his name in script writing, rather than printing. And, anyone who knows much about drawing can see that that is NOT a sketch. The lines do not swing free, but were made in a restricted, forced manner, revealing a likely tracing job.
Runner
Fake Barks art sold at Profiles in History
Message 13 -
2012-08-08 at 10:03:31
" And, anyone who knows much about drawing can see that that is NOT a sketch. The lines do not swing free, but were made in a restricted, forced manner, revealing a likely tracing job."
Yes, I realize that now :-)
Yes, I realize that now :-)
Dutch Duckfan Down Under
Fake Barks art sold at Profiles in History
Message 14 -
2012-08-08 at 14:49:56
And another thing I just realized: the fake "sketch" is much too clear. If it really were a sketch, there would be more light pencil lines that build up the characters and the surroundings. You know, like in the model sheets. Now everything is just there, like in a comic book.
Andrea
Fake Barks art sold at Profiles in History
Message 15 -
2012-08-08 at 16:24:55