Hello i have very interesting(in my opinion) question in wich i wondering this night.Why in disney comics(especially duck and mouse universum)the is so lack of parents(mother and father)?In good example Huey Dewey and Louie,they got parents but they never mentioned in comics(exception Don Rosa's "Life and time")but it's only a little.In no comics i saw they will say something about them,for example made phone call or send letter.Donald also never mention his sister.There is only uncles,aunties and cousins(exception grandma duck).In Mouse uni is much better(Mickey nephews have mother and is showed pretty often,especially in soccer comics)but never they give them father.
Maybe it's little chaotic but i hope you know what i mean and here is question-why they did that?There could be so much fresh air in comics if they give from time to time some parents not only uncles,cousins etc.especially they know who is mother of HDL and other characters they could imagine one and give us.
There is a lot of examples but i bet you know all so i not write them all.So what you thought about prentless in comics?You ok with that?Or you will wanna saw from time to time any adventure with includes them?
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Topic: Parents in comics
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Jarred
Parents in comics
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2012-10-31 at 14:46:36
Coolwater
Parents in comics
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2012-10-31 at 17:37:37
The striking "parentless" in the Disney world is sometimes attributed to the almost aseptic "asexual" atmosphere there. But many side and background characters very well do have real parents ...
A better explanation is perhaps that Donald Duck got nephews and not sons so that the normal parents--children authority wouldn't take effect and the strip and cartoon creators could freely make use the whole conflict potential between the generations (with the children often being wittier than the grown-ups).
One must also highly take into consideration that Mickey and Donald, and some other Disney characters too, were introduced and spent there first years as singles having strongly juvenile or even immature (think of the Donald of the 30s cartoons and strips!) characters. Disney would have been quite much at a loss to explain whith sons and daughters of these folks suddenly bobbing up--and even more, after Disney's then (and now, I guess) concepts of morality Donald & Co., if having children, would have needed proper spouses, too. It was a solution as simple as brilliant to let those confirmed bachelors of the Disney world unfit for wedlock being invaded by nephews and nieces tumbling out from some nowhere ...
That whole uncle and nephew thing maybe got a self-running story and an automatism with the time perhaps applied to characters where it would not reall had been necessary.
A better explanation is perhaps that Donald Duck got nephews and not sons so that the normal parents--children authority wouldn't take effect and the strip and cartoon creators could freely make use the whole conflict potential between the generations (with the children often being wittier than the grown-ups).
One must also highly take into consideration that Mickey and Donald, and some other Disney characters too, were introduced and spent there first years as singles having strongly juvenile or even immature (think of the Donald of the 30s cartoons and strips!) characters. Disney would have been quite much at a loss to explain whith sons and daughters of these folks suddenly bobbing up--and even more, after Disney's then (and now, I guess) concepts of morality Donald & Co., if having children, would have needed proper spouses, too. It was a solution as simple as brilliant to let those confirmed bachelors of the Disney world unfit for wedlock being invaded by nephews and nieces tumbling out from some nowhere ...
That whole uncle and nephew thing maybe got a self-running story and an automatism with the time perhaps applied to characters where it would not reall had been necessary.
GeoX
Parents in comics
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2012-10-31 at 19:17:14
Quote from user: CoolwaterA better explanation is perhaps that Donald Duck got nephews and not sons so that the normal parents--children authority wouldn't take effect and the strip and cartoon creators could freely make use the whole conflict potential between the generations
Well, yeah, and also there's the fact that Donald was established as a child-less character, and it would've been pretty weird for it to be suddenly decided that, oh, by the way, he has kids. Though at this point, they are his children for all intents and purposes, so the point is kind of moot.
'Course, Dorfman and Mattellart argue that the lack of parents in Disney comics are indicative of a kind of stasis typical of capitalism; there's none of the past and future that parent-child relationships symbolize; just an endless, unchanging present.
Well, yeah, and also there's the fact that Donald was established as a child-less character, and it would've been pretty weird for it to be suddenly decided that, oh, by the way, he has kids. Though at this point, they are his children for all intents and purposes, so the point is kind of moot.
'Course, Dorfman and Mattellart argue that the lack of parents in Disney comics are indicative of a kind of stasis typical of capitalism; there's none of the past and future that parent-child relationships symbolize; just an endless, unchanging present.
Lars Jensen
Parents in comics
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2012-10-31 at 21:49:01
Quote from user: CoolwaterA better explanation is perhaps that Donald Duck got nephews and not sons so that the normal parents--children authority wouldn't take effect and the strip and cartoon creators could freely make use the whole conflict potential between the generations (with the children often being wittier than the grown-ups).
One must also highly take into consideration that Mickey and Donald, and some other Disney characters too, were introduced and spent there first years as singles having strongly juvenile or even immature (think of the Donald of the 30s cartoons and strips!) characters. Disney would have been quite much at a loss to explain whith sons and daughters of these folks suddenly bobbing up--and even more, after Disney's then (and now, I guess) concepts of morality Donald & Co., if having children, would have needed proper spouses, too. It was a solution as simple as brilliant to let those confirmed bachelors of the Disney world unfit for wedlock being invaded by nephews and nieces tumbling out from some nowhere ...
Well, they could simply have had Donald's wife and children suddenly turn up on Donald's doorstep one day. The uneasy Donald: "Oh... Hi, honey! So you're back from your mother?"
The problem is that Donald would then be stuck with a wife and children. If it turned out those characters were dragging down the newspaper strip and the cartoons, it would be hard to get rid of them. Better to give Donald nephews; that way, if they wanted to get rid of the nephews, they could just ship the nephews back to their parents. And Donald not having a wife would mean he was free to pursue ladies (which could lead to good stories).
One must also highly take into consideration that Mickey and Donald, and some other Disney characters too, were introduced and spent there first years as singles having strongly juvenile or even immature (think of the Donald of the 30s cartoons and strips!) characters. Disney would have been quite much at a loss to explain whith sons and daughters of these folks suddenly bobbing up--and even more, after Disney's then (and now, I guess) concepts of morality Donald & Co., if having children, would have needed proper spouses, too. It was a solution as simple as brilliant to let those confirmed bachelors of the Disney world unfit for wedlock being invaded by nephews and nieces tumbling out from some nowhere ...
Well, they could simply have had Donald's wife and children suddenly turn up on Donald's doorstep one day. The uneasy Donald: "Oh... Hi, honey! So you're back from your mother?"
The problem is that Donald would then be stuck with a wife and children. If it turned out those characters were dragging down the newspaper strip and the cartoons, it would be hard to get rid of them. Better to give Donald nephews; that way, if they wanted to get rid of the nephews, they could just ship the nephews back to their parents. And Donald not having a wife would mean he was free to pursue ladies (which could lead to good stories).
Coolwater
Parents in comics
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2012-11-01 at 02:11:28
Quote from user: GeoXWell, yeah, and also there's the fact that Donald was established as a child-less character, and it would've been pretty weird for it to be suddenly decided that, oh, by the way, he has kids. Though at this point, they are his children for all intents and purposes, so the point is kind of moot.
Pretty much that what I thought about in the following passage.
Quote:'Course, Dorfman and Mattellart argue that the lack of parents in Disney comics are indicative of a kind of stasis typical of capitalism; there's none of the past and future that parent-child relationships symbolize; just an endless, unchanging present.
Hmm... irrwitzig ("funky-funny"[?]) ... Also have that Dorfman-Mattelart thing somewhere. Must look up what Kant, Schopenhauer and Nietzsche would have thought--could have thought on that nephew-uncle thing. Maybe that is even to top.
Quote from user: Lars JenssenAnd Donald not having a wife would mean he was free to pursue ladies (which could lead to good stories).
Ha, you may be right. Maybe I just think too "moralic" about Disney. Haha!
Pretty much that what I thought about in the following passage.
Quote:'Course, Dorfman and Mattellart argue that the lack of parents in Disney comics are indicative of a kind of stasis typical of capitalism; there's none of the past and future that parent-child relationships symbolize; just an endless, unchanging present.
Hmm... irrwitzig ("funky-funny"[?]) ... Also have that Dorfman-Mattelart thing somewhere. Must look up what Kant, Schopenhauer and Nietzsche would have thought--could have thought on that nephew-uncle thing. Maybe that is even to top.
Quote from user: Lars JenssenAnd Donald not having a wife would mean he was free to pursue ladies (which could lead to good stories).
Ha, you may be right. Maybe I just think too "moralic" about Disney. Haha!
Monochrome
Parents in comics
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2012-11-01 at 02:15:45
As others had mentioned, it would be more of a hassle than it's worth. Not only would it add to the fact tht it would be even more of a lots and lots of character situation to have everyone have parents. More characters is not necessarily a good thing, eventually it would be difficult to make them unique, likable characters rather than just a flat background character. You don't really want these characters popping up everywhere.
Also as everyone else mentioned, it doesn't show the same area of concern if their uncle sends them out for adventure than their parents; avertly, people are less likely to bat an eye if the adult goes on an adventure somewhere. People will just assume a different caretaker is looking after them for it is not their full responsibility. Not to mention it raises less questions about the character to just have them raise someone else's kid than their own. I suppose i is just generally simpler this way. Besides if there is that much change with everyone's parents randomly show up now and stay around at the same time, I think Disney would have some angry fans on their hands for messing up with the status Quo too much.
Though a lot of shows do this, so it is quite normal for people to drop off the face of the earth in fictionland
They actually bring of the points of this problem here http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChasteToons
Also as everyone else mentioned, it doesn't show the same area of concern if their uncle sends them out for adventure than their parents; avertly, people are less likely to bat an eye if the adult goes on an adventure somewhere. People will just assume a different caretaker is looking after them for it is not their full responsibility. Not to mention it raises less questions about the character to just have them raise someone else's kid than their own. I suppose i is just generally simpler this way. Besides if there is that much change with everyone's parents randomly show up now and stay around at the same time, I think Disney would have some angry fans on their hands for messing up with the status Quo too much.
Though a lot of shows do this, so it is quite normal for people to drop off the face of the earth in fictionland
They actually bring of the points of this problem here http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChasteToons
Furienna
Parents in comics
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2012-11-01 at 08:56:24
Quote from user: MonochromeThey actually bring of the points of this problem here http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChasteToons
Yeah, even though Disney might be the most famous example of this, they're not the only ones, who have little nephews and nieces turn up, when the plot calls for it. Disney also has a tendency to let their characters be orphans or have just one parent.
Yeah, even though Disney might be the most famous example of this, they're not the only ones, who have little nephews and nieces turn up, when the plot calls for it. Disney also has a tendency to let their characters be orphans or have just one parent.
Dutch Duckfan Down Under
Parents in comics
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2012-11-01 at 15:50:07
See also the Trope for Nephewism.
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