Quote from user: ArtemiDo you think that Paul Murry is overrated, then?
I don't. As a child, I always liked his artwork. These days, it's pretty clear to me, though, that he (with some exceptions) got less and less interested in the Mickey stories he was working on, and unfortunately it shows in his drawings.
I still have a fondness for his artwork, though. To me, he's one of the defining Mickey Mouse (and Br'er Rabbit and Panchito and José Carioca) artists. If I'd been offered the chance to work with Murry, I would instantly have grabbed it.
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Topic: Mickey Vs. Donald
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Lars Jensen
Mickey Vs. Donald
Message 16 -
2012-04-19 at 07:52:29
Roger North
Mickey Vs. Donald
Message 17 -
2012-04-19 at 10:56:36
I think the Paul Murry stories are cool just like the Carl Barks, and Floyd Gottfredson stories and the Don Rosa and William Van Horn stories as well.
Kurt Appel
Mickey Vs. Donald
Message 18 -
2012-04-19 at 12:47:21
I think that Italian author Casty is one of the greatest Disney Comics artists we have ever seen; his mouse stories are as fascinating as the Gottfredson and the classic Scarpa ones. I hope very much that American and North European readers will have the opportunity to read stories like "Topolino e la marea dei secoli" etc.
Regarding the mouse stories of Murry I would say that his artworks are great but the stories itself lack poetry and suspense. It´s kiddy stuff like contemporate Egmont comics (with the exception of the 3 panels comics for the Pocket-books). So Egmont makes the same mistake with all Disney characters which ruined Mickey for decades.
Regarding the mouse stories of Murry I would say that his artworks are great but the stories itself lack poetry and suspense. It´s kiddy stuff like contemporate Egmont comics (with the exception of the 3 panels comics for the Pocket-books). So Egmont makes the same mistake with all Disney characters which ruined Mickey for decades.
Dutch Duckfan Down Under
Mickey Vs. Donald
Message 19 -
2012-04-19 at 14:11:25
I don't know why, but I like Donald much better than Mickey. I never really care when he's in peril, not as much as I care when Donald is. An Inducks search shows that I have about 1271 Mickey comics, but 6062 Donald stories. Could that be it? Maybe it's their characters: Donald has an interesting character, he has more real emotions. He can get angry, or revengeful, or oppressed by pretty much everyone else, while Mickey's sorta... dunno... bland. Throw in the idiot sidekick (I've never liked stupid characters too much, they're just a lame excuse), and you have the main Mickey cast. Donald has his three nephews (and in that case, the Junior Woodchucks may be Barks' best improvement on his characters) who have some edge. Add all these interesting characters like Scrooge, Gladstone, Fethry, Gyro and Daisy (Daisy ONLY when used properly) and you've got much better story material. Mickey doesn't really have interesting sidekicks, except for Horace and Clarebelle, and sometimes Marlin and Zapotek of Italian stories.
If you look at the above, you see what's the problem: Mickey never had his Barks. Sure, he had Gottfredson, who was a master, but his characters never returned as much as Barks' characters. And then there's Goofy. Goofy is probably best on his own, in his cartoon series. But there's hope for the Mouse: Casty seems to becoming a good second Gottfredson.
If you look at the above, you see what's the problem: Mickey never had his Barks. Sure, he had Gottfredson, who was a master, but his characters never returned as much as Barks' characters. And then there's Goofy. Goofy is probably best on his own, in his cartoon series. But there's hope for the Mouse: Casty seems to becoming a good second Gottfredson.
Debbie
Mickey Vs. Donald
Message 20 -
2012-04-19 at 15:42:03
I think that Mickey has to overcome more in that he's become the mascot of the Disney company. Most people just see Mickey as a happy smiling face or a costumed character at theme parks, so it's understandable that they might be reluctant to read a comic about him. Donald Duck has the good fortune of NOT being the public face of Disney, so he's been developed more as a personality.
Paul Murry drew some very nice artwork, although not all of his stories represented the best of Mickey. His WDC&S serials are perhaps his most well-known work (in the USA, anyhow) and arguably his best. At least visually, his Mickey is iconic for comic book readers of the time. Gottfredson, Scarpa and Casty have created some of the best Mickey stories IMHO.
Mickey Mouse hasn't cornered the market on so-so stories, though. The Duck family has its own library of mediocre work, too: Much of Tony Strobl's output, the stories that Gladstone ran by "The Guttenberghus Group", the Disney Studio-produced DuckTales comics, "The Hunt for the Old Number One", "Around the World in 80 Bucks"...stories that keep the characters as themselves, but just don't quite stand out. While not always memorable, the mediocre Duck and Mouse stories can still be fun on their own merits.
Paul Murry drew some very nice artwork, although not all of his stories represented the best of Mickey. His WDC&S serials are perhaps his most well-known work (in the USA, anyhow) and arguably his best. At least visually, his Mickey is iconic for comic book readers of the time. Gottfredson, Scarpa and Casty have created some of the best Mickey stories IMHO.
Mickey Mouse hasn't cornered the market on so-so stories, though. The Duck family has its own library of mediocre work, too: Much of Tony Strobl's output, the stories that Gladstone ran by "The Guttenberghus Group", the Disney Studio-produced DuckTales comics, "The Hunt for the Old Number One", "Around the World in 80 Bucks"...stories that keep the characters as themselves, but just don't quite stand out. While not always memorable, the mediocre Duck and Mouse stories can still be fun on their own merits.
Runner
Mickey Vs. Donald
Message 21 -
2012-04-19 at 18:14:29
Barks´ Ducks and Murry´s early Mice can both be well appreciated by young readers but when they grow older they probably realize that the Duck stories had the greater depth and become the preferred stories to read over and over again but they could still enjoy a well drawn Murry/Fallberg classic now and then also for nostalgic reasons.
MrCleveland
Mickey Vs. Donald
Message 22 -
2012-04-27 at 02:54:41
I'm more of a Donald Duck Fan than a Mickey Mouse Fan...especially with the cartoons.
Steet
Mickey Vs. Donald
Message 23 -
2012-04-29 at 03:30:45
I say...
Does ANYONE like Mickey better than Donald? I mean, Donald sure should be the mascot, not "M. I'm so perfect" Mickey. I did read a lot of Disney comics in my childhood, and I would always skip the Mickey ones as I found them annoying.
The general feeling around me is the same, everyone prefers the realistically flawed Donald and Scrooge.
I don't get why Disney keeps focusing on this mouse instead of the ducks. Man, an "Epic Scrooge" game would have been much better than "Epic Mickey!"
Does ANYONE like Mickey better than Donald? I mean, Donald sure should be the mascot, not "M. I'm so perfect" Mickey. I did read a lot of Disney comics in my childhood, and I would always skip the Mickey ones as I found them annoying.
The general feeling around me is the same, everyone prefers the realistically flawed Donald and Scrooge.
I don't get why Disney keeps focusing on this mouse instead of the ducks. Man, an "Epic Scrooge" game would have been much better than "Epic Mickey!"
Robb_K
Mickey Vs. Donald
Message 24 -
2012-04-29 at 03:50:17
I LOVED the Gottfredson Mickey Mouse stories when I was young, more than ANY other Disney Comics (including other Donald Duck and Uncle Scrooge stories) other than Carl Barks' stories. Then, after Tony Strobl's best Donald adventures, I liked Murray's Mickey adventures. So, I am a "Mickey lover", as well as a "Donald lover". But, I admit that I like the 1934-1946 Gottfredson Mickey a LOT more than any Mickey other than 1950's Scarpa. Most of the others I don't like all that much. On the other hand, I didn't really like the Donald stories by most of The American artists of the '50s and '60s.
To me, it's mostly the artwork. For me, very few other artists came close to Barks and Gottfredson quality.
To me, it's mostly the artwork. For me, very few other artists came close to Barks and Gottfredson quality.
Hedberg
Mickey Vs. Donald
Message 25 -
2012-04-29 at 05:10:00
You've all explained it so wisely, so I just want to conclude that I'm a (Barks-)duckman with great admiration for the Gottfredson-Mickey and a wholeheartedly cozy feeling for the Murry/Fallberg epics - before they were to syrup-glazed...
Heil Donald Duck
Mickey Vs. Donald
Message 26 -
2012-05-04 at 02:14:44
I would probably read older duck stories by Barks than newly created Duck stories from Europe, since I feel that they often lack depth and dont like some of these drawing stiles, some looks crude. But there handfuls that I do like. As for the Mouse I'm in similar boot.
Cien2
Mickey Vs. Donald
Message 27 -
2012-05-05 at 12:41:04
Donald Duck is indeed universally more loved than Mickey Mouse. One can argue about "more known" as well, despite Mickey being the head mascot of Disney Corp.
In case some of us don't know about it yet. The recent fad is 9gag.com where people post random gags/pics and the community approved it by liking/dislike and the more likes get into the "hot page" category.
this is actually a second time i see DD comic in 9gag
http://9gag.com/gag/4071460
the 1st one is the complete page of the original 1-page story of the last panel "Don't F*** with the Duck" meme, i no longer have the original linkie.
the other Duck-Comics related post is at http://9gag.com/gag/2361087
the original poster mixed up stuffs between Barks and Rosa, but the community was quick to let it known in the comments section
since 9gag is typically known amongst the teenagers and slipping into mainstream community, it's quite refreshing to see that the people who frequent that site pretty much knows their duck stuffs.
In case some of us don't know about it yet. The recent fad is 9gag.com where people post random gags/pics and the community approved it by liking/dislike and the more likes get into the "hot page" category.
this is actually a second time i see DD comic in 9gag
http://9gag.com/gag/4071460
the 1st one is the complete page of the original 1-page story of the last panel "Don't F*** with the Duck" meme, i no longer have the original linkie.
the other Duck-Comics related post is at http://9gag.com/gag/2361087
the original poster mixed up stuffs between Barks and Rosa, but the community was quick to let it known in the comments section
since 9gag is typically known amongst the teenagers and slipping into mainstream community, it's quite refreshing to see that the people who frequent that site pretty much knows their duck stuffs.
Dutch Duckfan Down Under
Mickey Vs. Donald
Message 28 -
2012-05-05 at 19:23:47
Quote from user: cien2the other Duck-Comics related post is at http://9gag.com/gag/2361087
the original poster mixed up stuffs between Barks and Rosa, but the community was quick to let it known in the comments section
since 9gag is typically known amongst the teenagers and slipping into mainstream community, it's quite refreshing to see that the people who frequent that site pretty much knows their duck stuffs.
I don't like it. Not because the post said Barks created Donald, and not even because it said Barks created "Dream of a Lifetime". I'd rather have Barks getting credit for something he didn't do, then somebody else getting credit for something Barks did. (Like when I watched a short film on Barks, and every picture of "him" in the Disney studios in the 1930s was Harry Reeves.) I'm don't like it, because while everyone says "that's Don Rosa, Don Rosa is really awesome and a genius" nobody says "Barks was really good". In the end, Barks gets no credit.
the original poster mixed up stuffs between Barks and Rosa, but the community was quick to let it known in the comments section
since 9gag is typically known amongst the teenagers and slipping into mainstream community, it's quite refreshing to see that the people who frequent that site pretty much knows their duck stuffs.
I don't like it. Not because the post said Barks created Donald, and not even because it said Barks created "Dream of a Lifetime". I'd rather have Barks getting credit for something he didn't do, then somebody else getting credit for something Barks did. (Like when I watched a short film on Barks, and every picture of "him" in the Disney studios in the 1930s was Harry Reeves.) I'm don't like it, because while everyone says "that's Don Rosa, Don Rosa is really awesome and a genius" nobody says "Barks was really good". In the end, Barks gets no credit.
Robb_K
Mickey Vs. Donald
Message 29 -
2012-05-05 at 22:13:41
Quote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderQuote from user: cien2the other Duck-Comics related post is at http://9gag.com/gag/2361087
the original poster mixed up stuffs between Barks and Rosa, but the community was quick to let it known in the comments section
since 9gag is typically known amongst the teenagers and slipping into mainstream community, it's quite refreshing to see that the people who frequent that site pretty much knows their duck stuffs.
I don't like it. Not because the post said Barks created Donald, and not even because it said Barks created "Dream of a Lifetime". I'd rather have Barks getting credit for something he didn't do, then somebody else getting credit for something Barks did. (Like when I watched a short film on Barks, and every picture of "him" in the Disney studios in the 1930s was Harry Reeves.) I'm don't like it, because while everyone says "that's Don Rosa, Don Rosa is really awesome and a genius" nobody says "Barks was really good". In the end, Barks gets no credit.
Well, Barks DID help "Create" Donald's character in the Donald Duck cartoon shorts, and he DID create Donald's Comic Book character, pretty much on his own.
the original poster mixed up stuffs between Barks and Rosa, but the community was quick to let it known in the comments section
since 9gag is typically known amongst the teenagers and slipping into mainstream community, it's quite refreshing to see that the people who frequent that site pretty much knows their duck stuffs.
I don't like it. Not because the post said Barks created Donald, and not even because it said Barks created "Dream of a Lifetime". I'd rather have Barks getting credit for something he didn't do, then somebody else getting credit for something Barks did. (Like when I watched a short film on Barks, and every picture of "him" in the Disney studios in the 1930s was Harry Reeves.) I'm don't like it, because while everyone says "that's Don Rosa, Don Rosa is really awesome and a genius" nobody says "Barks was really good". In the end, Barks gets no credit.
Well, Barks DID help "Create" Donald's character in the Donald Duck cartoon shorts, and he DID create Donald's Comic Book character, pretty much on his own.
Debbie
Mickey Vs. Donald
Message 30 -
2012-05-06 at 05:57:51
Quote from user: Heil Donald DuckI would probably read older duck stories by Barks than newly created Duck stories from Europe... As for the Mouse I'm in similar boot.
That's kind of where I stand, too. Barks and Gottfredson are my favorites, and I think that I really just miss the type of stuff Gladstone used to run. I also have a soft spot for the old Gold Key/Whitman era books, which is where I read so many Tony Strobl and Paul Murry reprints in late 70's-early 80's issues. If Fantagraphics or another publisher did a series reprints of Strobl ducks and Murry mice, I'd be happy. Don't know if they'd sell, though...
That's kind of where I stand, too. Barks and Gottfredson are my favorites, and I think that I really just miss the type of stuff Gladstone used to run. I also have a soft spot for the old Gold Key/Whitman era books, which is where I read so many Tony Strobl and Paul Murry reprints in late 70's-early 80's issues. If Fantagraphics or another publisher did a series reprints of Strobl ducks and Murry mice, I'd be happy. Don't know if they'd sell, though...