In Rosa's universe, Blackheart Beagle, who appeared in Barks' "Fantastic River Race", is the founder of the Beagle Boys and the grandfather of the current batch. He's therefore referred to as "Grandpa Beagle". He's portrayed (for example, in "A Little Something Special") as Scrooge's oldest and most worthy adversary. He's clearly much more competent than his progeny. His prison number in Rosa's stories is 186-802.
On the other hand, we see a "Grandpa Beagle" (again, prison number 186-802) in Barks' "Money Well". This character looks markedly different from Blackheart, and more importantly, does not even seem to know who McDuck is; similarly, Scrooge himself seems indifferent to him. It's hard to reconcile this character as the same one Rosa calls Grandpa Beagle. Did he mean for these two characters to be the same? One would think so, given the fact that they have the same prison numbers. If so, has he ever addressed this discrepency?
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Topic: Blackheart Beagle
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Baar Baar Jinx
Blackheart Beagle
Message 1 -
2011-05-12 at 17:17:12
Sim
Blackheart Beagle
Message 2 -
2011-05-12 at 20:23:36
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxIn Rosa's universe, Blackheart Beagle, who appeared in Barks' "Fantastic River Race", is the founder of the Beagle Boys and the grandfather of the current batch. He's therefore referred to as "Grandpa Beagle". He's portrayed (for example, in "A Little Something Special") as Scrooge's oldest and most worthy adversary. He's clearly much more competent than his progeny. His prison number in Rosa's stories is 186-802.
On the other hand, we see a "Grandpa Beagle" (again, prison number 186-802) in Barks' "Money Well". This character looks markedly different from Blackheart, and more importantly, does not even seem to know who McDuck is; similarly, Scrooge himself seems indifferent to him. It's hard to reconcile this character as the same one Rosa calls Grandpa Beagle. Did he mean for these two characters to be the same? One would think so, given the fact that they have the same prison numbers. If so, has he ever addressed this discrepency?
I think everybody knows Barks's ones were two different characters and Rosa mixed them. I also think he has said it. ;)
On the other hand, we see a "Grandpa Beagle" (again, prison number 186-802) in Barks' "Money Well". This character looks markedly different from Blackheart, and more importantly, does not even seem to know who McDuck is; similarly, Scrooge himself seems indifferent to him. It's hard to reconcile this character as the same one Rosa calls Grandpa Beagle. Did he mean for these two characters to be the same? One would think so, given the fact that they have the same prison numbers. If so, has he ever addressed this discrepency?
I think everybody knows Barks's ones were two different characters and Rosa mixed them. I also think he has said it. ;)
Roger North
Blackheart Beagle
Message 3 -
2011-05-12 at 20:32:31
Maybe Blackheart's memory failed him when he saw Scrooge in The Money Well.
Dutch Duckfan Down Under
Blackheart Beagle
Message 4 -
2011-05-13 at 13:11:46
It gets even more confusing, as one of the Grandpa's is used in Italy a lot. He's called Bassotto and is a bit different from Barks' original.
http://coa.inducks.org/character.php?c=GB
http://coa.inducks.org/character.php?c=GB&view=2
http://coa.inducks.org/character.php?c=GB
http://coa.inducks.org/character.php?c=GB&view=2
Baar Baar Jinx
Blackheart Beagle
Message 5 -
2011-05-13 at 13:59:37
Quote from user: Sim[I think everybody knows Barks's ones were two different characters and Rosa mixed them. I also think he has said it. ;)
Do you know of a quote or a website where Rosa specifically talks about this? Or has it only been in private conversations?
Also, yes, if Scrooge is in his 70s or 80s, how old is Blackheart, who is clearly a generation older? He's probably even older than Grandma Duck! On the other hand, this "Grandpa Beagle", if he is indeed a different character from Blackheart, could be a contemporary of Scrooge.
Do you know of a quote or a website where Rosa specifically talks about this? Or has it only been in private conversations?
Also, yes, if Scrooge is in his 70s or 80s, how old is Blackheart, who is clearly a generation older? He's probably even older than Grandma Duck! On the other hand, this "Grandpa Beagle", if he is indeed a different character from Blackheart, could be a contemporary of Scrooge.
Sim
Blackheart Beagle
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2011-05-13 at 15:08:58
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxQuote from user: Sim[I think everybody knows Barks's ones were two different characters and Rosa mixed them. I also think he has said it. ;)
Do you know of a quote or a website where Rosa specifically talks about this? Or has it only been in private conversations?
I don't have quote at the moment, but I'm pretty sure that he can confirm. Anyway, I read many times that he mixed two different characters of Barks.
The Italian Grandpa is called Nonno Bassotto (Grandpa Beagle) and is also known as "Grazia". As far as I can recall, Strobl used a (again) different grandpa called G-176 or John Doe.
Do you know of a quote or a website where Rosa specifically talks about this? Or has it only been in private conversations?
I don't have quote at the moment, but I'm pretty sure that he can confirm. Anyway, I read many times that he mixed two different characters of Barks.
The Italian Grandpa is called Nonno Bassotto (Grandpa Beagle) and is also known as "Grazia". As far as I can recall, Strobl used a (again) different grandpa called G-176 or John Doe.
Mr. M
Blackheart Beagle
Message 7 -
2012-08-05 at 19:31:26
I found it odd how Rosa pick Grandpa Bealge to be Scrooge's "most evil" adversary in "A Little Something Special"... I just don't think the character did enough to deserve this title but it made sence to melt Blackheart Beagle and Grandpa Beagle from The Money Well" into one character... I still prefer the Italian one any way ;)
Another problem - as somebody pointed out already - is the age thing since even Rosa shown him to be about 20 years older then Scrooge (heck, he had sons older then Scrooge)
Another problem - as somebody pointed out already - is the age thing since even Rosa shown him to be about 20 years older then Scrooge (heck, he had sons older then Scrooge)
Robb_K
Blackheart Beagle
Message 8 -
2012-08-05 at 20:18:59
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxIn Rosa's universe, Blackheart Beagle, who appeared in Barks' "Fantastic River Race", is the founder of the Beagle Boys and the grandfather of the current batch. He's therefore referred to as "Grandpa Beagle". He's portrayed (for example, in "A Little Something Special") as Scrooge's oldest and most worthy adversary. He's clearly much more competent than his progeny. His prison number in Rosa's stories is 186-802.
On the other hand, we see a "Grandpa Beagle" (again, prison number 186-802) in Barks' "Money Well". This character looks markedly different from Blackheart, and more importantly, does not even seem to know who McDuck is; similarly, Scrooge himself seems indifferent to him. It's hard to reconcile this character as the same one Rosa calls Grandpa Beagle. Did he mean for these two characters to be the same? One would think so, given the fact that they have the same prison numbers. If so, has he ever addressed this discrepency?
Grandpa Beagle is roughly a contemporary of Scrooge (perhaps slightly younger), and Blackheart is one generation older than Scrooge (perhaps slightly younger than a FULL generation older). Scrooge was probably barely into his twenties when he raced riverboats on the Mississippi. Blackheart was probably in his late 30s or early 40s.
On the other hand, we see a "Grandpa Beagle" (again, prison number 186-802) in Barks' "Money Well". This character looks markedly different from Blackheart, and more importantly, does not even seem to know who McDuck is; similarly, Scrooge himself seems indifferent to him. It's hard to reconcile this character as the same one Rosa calls Grandpa Beagle. Did he mean for these two characters to be the same? One would think so, given the fact that they have the same prison numbers. If so, has he ever addressed this discrepency?
Grandpa Beagle is roughly a contemporary of Scrooge (perhaps slightly younger), and Blackheart is one generation older than Scrooge (perhaps slightly younger than a FULL generation older). Scrooge was probably barely into his twenties when he raced riverboats on the Mississippi. Blackheart was probably in his late 30s or early 40s.
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