In David Gerstein and Romano Scarpa's "History Re-Petes Itself", page 2, panel 2, we can see a picture of Altacraz (from Scarpa's "The Birdman of Altacraz") with a date (19??)...
Can someone says me which date is it?
http://www.papersera.net/public_html2/showcase/simonis_mc_duck/Altacraz.jpg
Thanks!
- Walt Zuti
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Sim
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Message 1 -
2010-09-02 at 09:22:57
Dia-Dia
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Message 2 -
2010-09-02 at 10:57:57
"The Birdman of Altacraz?" That is a Burt Lancaster film you are talking of ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055798/ ). You mean "Topolino e l'uomo di Altacraz" ( Mickey and the man from Altacraz ), http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=I+TL++380-AP , one of the best Mickey stories ever.
As for the date, I read 1965 but I could be misreading.
As for the date, I read 1965 but I could be misreading.
Sim
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2010-09-02 at 18:13:26
Quote from user: Dia-Dia"The Birdman of Altacraz?" That is a Burt Lancaster film you are talking of ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055798/ ). You mean "Topolino e l'uomo di Altacraz" ( Mickey and the man from Altacraz ), http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=I+TL++380-AP , one of the best Mickey stories ever.
As for the date, I read 1965 but I could be misreading.
I meant that story.
"The Birdman of Altacraz" is my letteral translation... ;)
So, you read 1965, eh?
I see 1985, or maybe '35, in the Italian translation, there was written 1936 or 1938, I don't remember...
As for the date, I read 1965 but I could be misreading.
I meant that story.
"The Birdman of Altacraz" is my letteral translation... ;)
So, you read 1965, eh?
I see 1985, or maybe '35, in the Italian translation, there was written 1936 or 1938, I don't remember...
Deyanmegara
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Message 4 -
2010-09-02 at 23:48:38
The real Alcatraz was a criminal prison from 1934 to 1963 and as far as I can see, the story is from 1963, so 1936 seems reasonable.
Ramapith
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Message 5 -
2010-09-03 at 06:56:36
The date in my/Scarpa's original is 1935. (It was Scarpa's idea to show a picture of Altacraz, by the way??though some other background details in the story came from me and Lars Jensen.)
Sim
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Message 6 -
2010-09-03 at 07:16:53
Thank you, David! ;)
Sim
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Message 7 -
2010-09-03 at 12:07:21
Dear Mr. Gerstein,
I've two more question about that story of you...:
1) Always on Page 2, we can see a "Foreign Legion" Pete picture... Why doesn't Pete have his Peg-Leg in it?
2) In that story, it does appear Peggy Pigg, daughter of Patricia Pigg and Percy Pigg, does Peggy appear in other stories? Which?
Thanks!
- Walt Zuti
I've two more question about that story of you...:
1) Always on Page 2, we can see a "Foreign Legion" Pete picture... Why doesn't Pete have his Peg-Leg in it?
2) In that story, it does appear Peggy Pigg, daughter of Patricia Pigg and Percy Pigg, does Peggy appear in other stories? Which?
Thanks!
- Walt Zuti
Roger North
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Message 8 -
2010-09-03 at 13:03:16
I never heard of Peggy Pig before. Is she a new character or has she been around for a while?
Ramapith
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2010-09-03 at 17:57:08
Peggy Pigg also appears, with her brother, in my earlier "Mickey Mouse Against the World" (WDC&S 616). I believe her name was Lars Jensen's idea (Lars, confirmation?).
I showed Patricia as a mom because she'd been one earlier??she has a baby in Gottfredson's early "Pluto the Pup". I figured "now" in Mickey continuity was a few years later than then, so the baby wouldn't be a baby anymore; I imagine Peggy is about five years old.
That said, Patricia only had one piglet in "Pluto the Pup"; I'm afraid I invented a second kid without a second thought.
I showed Patricia as a mom because she'd been one earlier??she has a baby in Gottfredson's early "Pluto the Pup". I figured "now" in Mickey continuity was a few years later than then, so the baby wouldn't be a baby anymore; I imagine Peggy is about five years old.
That said, Patricia only had one piglet in "Pluto the Pup"; I'm afraid I invented a second kid without a second thought.
Ramapith
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2010-09-03 at 18:25:31
Quote from user: Sim1) Always on Page 2, we can see a "Foreign Legion" Pete picture... Why doesn't Pete have his Peg-Leg in it?
Oops, missed this one.
My memory's rusty here; but I think the rule at Egmont in 1999 was that according to "current" continuity, Pete's pegleg had never existed, so we asked Scarpa to put two good feet on him.
My memory might be wrong, though??and either way, it obviously has no effect on modern USA and Italian continuity, where Pete is usually called Pegleg Pete even when he has two legs (I prefer to think that as in Gottfredson, one leg is artificial).
Oops, missed this one.
My memory's rusty here; but I think the rule at Egmont in 1999 was that according to "current" continuity, Pete's pegleg had never existed, so we asked Scarpa to put two good feet on him.
My memory might be wrong, though??and either way, it obviously has no effect on modern USA and Italian continuity, where Pete is usually called Pegleg Pete even when he has two legs (I prefer to think that as in Gottfredson, one leg is artificial).
Lars Jensen
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Message 11 -
2010-09-03 at 22:11:23
Quote from user: ramapithPeggy Pigg also appears, with her brother, in my earlier "Mickey Mouse Against the World" (WDC&S 616). I believe her name was Lars Jensen's idea (Lars, confirmation?).
Yeah, I thought up the name Peggy Pigg. I also came up with a name for her brother (Plato) -- but that has never been used anywhere, as far as I know.
I never knew you invented those two characters, though. Guess you learn something new every day.
Yeah, I thought up the name Peggy Pigg. I also came up with a name for her brother (Plato) -- but that has never been used anywhere, as far as I know.
I never knew you invented those two characters, though. Guess you learn something new every day.
Sim
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2010-09-04 at 07:15:43
Quote from user: ramapithQuote from user: Sim1) Always on Page 2, we can see a "Foreign Legion" Pete picture... Why doesn't Pete have his Peg-Leg in it?
Oops, missed this one.
My memory's rusty here; but I think the rule at Egmont in 1999 was that according to "current" continuity, Pete's pegleg had never existed, so we asked Scarpa to put two good feet on him.
My memory might be wrong, though??and either way, it obviously has no effect on modern USA and Italian continuity, where Pete is usually called Pegleg Pete even when he has two legs (I prefer to think that as in Gottfredson, one leg is artificial).
In Italy, Pete has had his artificial leg until 1961 and Scarpa drew it twice...
http://a.imageshack.us/img412/5466/72124699.png
http://a.imageshack.us/img42/3743/98237054.jpg
- Walt Zuti
Oops, missed this one.
My memory's rusty here; but I think the rule at Egmont in 1999 was that according to "current" continuity, Pete's pegleg had never existed, so we asked Scarpa to put two good feet on him.
My memory might be wrong, though??and either way, it obviously has no effect on modern USA and Italian continuity, where Pete is usually called Pegleg Pete even when he has two legs (I prefer to think that as in Gottfredson, one leg is artificial).
In Italy, Pete has had his artificial leg until 1961 and Scarpa drew it twice...
http://a.imageshack.us/img412/5466/72124699.png
http://a.imageshack.us/img42/3743/98237054.jpg
- Walt Zuti
Sim
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2010-09-04 at 07:17:14
Quote from user: ramapithI figured "now" in Mickey continuity was a few years later than then, so the baby wouldn't be a baby anymore; I imagine Peggy is about five years old.
Only a few?
So, in your opinion, Mickey has never had his simple 1930's eyes?
Only a few?
So, in your opinion, Mickey has never had his simple 1930's eyes?
Ramapith
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Message 14 -
2010-09-05 at 01:19:37
Quote from user: SimSo, in your opinion, Mickey has never had his simple 1930's eyes?
I think you're suggesting a continuity in which a "young Mickey" had his 1930s eyes??and then his eyes physically changed as he grew up, so "1930s eyes" Mickey stories chronologically take place before "modern eyes" Mickey stories.
Scarpa actually uses this concept in "Mickey Mouse in the Delta Dimension"!
But then how to explain the fact that in most 1930s Mickey stories, not just Mickey??but almost every character has "1930s eyes"? Whereas in most modern Mickey stories, everyone has modern eyes. Did other Mouseton residents' eyes physically evolve along with Mickey's?
In Stefan Petrucha's and Cesar Ferioli's "Steamboat Willies," which I edited, we actually did suggest that this was the case; the story's flashback scenes to the 1920s had everyone drawn in the Iwerks style.
While I loved the result, I looked at the story after it was finished and was a little baffled by its implications! Same goes for the Scarpa story. Retroactively, I think it's more "realistic" to say that there have been several different artistic styles for Mickey (and the gang) over the years, and they can all be applied to any era of Mickey's "life."
After all, the first Mickey story with the Phantom Blot gave Mickey his modern eyes; but at least one 1990s Mickey story pitted a retro, pie-eyed Mickey against the Blot!
I think you're suggesting a continuity in which a "young Mickey" had his 1930s eyes??and then his eyes physically changed as he grew up, so "1930s eyes" Mickey stories chronologically take place before "modern eyes" Mickey stories.
Scarpa actually uses this concept in "Mickey Mouse in the Delta Dimension"!
But then how to explain the fact that in most 1930s Mickey stories, not just Mickey??but almost every character has "1930s eyes"? Whereas in most modern Mickey stories, everyone has modern eyes. Did other Mouseton residents' eyes physically evolve along with Mickey's?
In Stefan Petrucha's and Cesar Ferioli's "Steamboat Willies," which I edited, we actually did suggest that this was the case; the story's flashback scenes to the 1920s had everyone drawn in the Iwerks style.
While I loved the result, I looked at the story after it was finished and was a little baffled by its implications! Same goes for the Scarpa story. Retroactively, I think it's more "realistic" to say that there have been several different artistic styles for Mickey (and the gang) over the years, and they can all be applied to any era of Mickey's "life."
After all, the first Mickey story with the Phantom Blot gave Mickey his modern eyes; but at least one 1990s Mickey story pitted a retro, pie-eyed Mickey against the Blot!
Roger North
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2010-09-05 at 13:04:27
I remember that story. It was The Perils of Mickey. I have that story in Disney Adventures Magazine #s 35 and 36.
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