I suppose this could be a worthwhile topic...
For instance, I'm not sure how to pronounce the Dutch brothers Heymans correctly: Do you say "Hey" as in "Hey, Joe" or as in "Hiya, toots"? :)
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Topic: Pronunciation of artists' names
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Sirredknee
Pronunciation of artists' names
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2010-09-08 at 22:49:40
Robb_K
Pronunciation of artists' names
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2010-09-09 at 00:54:50
About halfway between (not easily pronounceable by English Speakers). It's a long dipthong.
Gerd Syllwasschy
Pronunciation of artists' names
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2010-09-09 at 16:43:06
Or, to use the IPA transcription: ['hÉ?imans]
Sim
Pronunciation of artists' names
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2010-09-09 at 16:51:07
I don't know how to pronounce "Strobl"...
How do you pronounce it?
How do you pronounce it?
Ramapith
Pronunciation of artists' names
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2010-09-09 at 16:56:37
I've always heard "STROW-bull" (the first syllable rhyming with "throw" or "Joe").
Sim
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2010-09-09 at 16:59:50
Quote from user: ramapithI've always heard "STROW-bull" (the first syllable rhyming with "throw" or "Joe").
I've always called him "STROW-BALL", is it wrong?
I've always called him "STROW-BALL", is it wrong?
Roger North
Pronunciation of artists' names
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2010-09-09 at 17:07:18
I thought it was pronounced Stroll with a silent b. I guess it could be pronounced Strow Bull or Strow Ball though.
Dutch Duckfan Down Under
Pronunciation of artists' names
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2010-09-09 at 17:41:20
I always pronounce Strobl as STROW-bul (bul, not as in bool). But sometimes I think of a funnier pronounciation: Strob-bl. Then there's Row-may-now Scar-pah and many more funny names. Like World Dizz-nee. Does anyone know who to pronounce Ub Iwerks in English. I think it's Up Ee-w(although a very flat W)irks. Would it be Ub I-works in English? :) And than there's Sander Gulien. Presumably one of the most inpronouncable names (Italians not included) of all Duck creators: Sander (but a British A) -static noise-uleen. Or the Heymans brothers:
Mau Heymans: Mow (American Ow) Heymans (completely British Ey and A). And his brother, Bass (British again). Ot that's how you pronounce it. :)Or now we have a new writer: Gaute Moe. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO PRONOUNCE IN ENGLISH! -static noise-ow-tuh Moo. That's it, I think. Or as close as you can get. Or Nadorp, which is Nah-dor(weird R, believe me)p. We Dutch have a tendency to have impronouncable letters. And don't get me started on the long pronounciation of individual letters, which most of them end on a long E. But definately the E you have in mind... For the Germans here, it's like an ?. For the French, that's an ?. For the English: I have completely no idea. Robb?
Mau Heymans: Mow (American Ow) Heymans (completely British Ey and A). And his brother, Bass (British again). Ot that's how you pronounce it. :)Or now we have a new writer: Gaute Moe. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO PRONOUNCE IN ENGLISH! -static noise-ow-tuh Moo. That's it, I think. Or as close as you can get. Or Nadorp, which is Nah-dor(weird R, believe me)p. We Dutch have a tendency to have impronouncable letters. And don't get me started on the long pronounciation of individual letters, which most of them end on a long E. But definately the E you have in mind... For the Germans here, it's like an ?. For the French, that's an ?. For the English: I have completely no idea. Robb?
Robb_K
Pronunciation of artists' names
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2010-09-09 at 18:52:42
DDDU-There are several Dutch sounds that just cannot be approximated by using English sounds. Even The Germans can't pronounce the Dutch "G" (soft gutteral) despite their having a soft gutteral "ch" that is close. They couldn't pronounce the Dutch "sch". That was used to determine the Gestapo spies during WWII. Gulien is pretty much not pronounceable by an Anglophone, or most other European language speakers. I think only The Germans (working hard), Arabs, Hebrew speakers and a few other languages with that particular gutteral sound could comfortably produce it.
Speaking of German. Wouldn't Strobl (the German name) be pronounced "SHtrobl" using English sound-letter correspondence? I guess that one of his forebears Anglicised (Americanised) it.
No, the Dutch "R" in Nadorp can't be produced by English sounds. The Spanish (and a little less so Italian) "trilled r" is closer than most European Rs. The Germans can get close (but no cigar or Segar for that matter).
Ub Iwerks couldn't be pronounced by English speakers.
Would Jack Bradbury be pronounced the British way "Bradbuhree", or the American way "Bradberry"?
Jan Gulbransson would be pronounced "Yan" "Gooolbrahnssssohnn" using English sound/letter arrangement. Jan has a friend from New York, who has known him for about 40 years, who continues to pronounce Jan's first name with the hard American "J" (no matter how many times we correct him). They corresponded through the post for ten years before they met in person.
People in USA hearing my name Klein, but not seeing it in print, invariably spell it "Cline" or "Kline". When they see it spelled correctly, they call me "Mr. CLEAN"!!!
Daan Jippes would be spelt thusly in English: "Dahn Yippus" but e "u" is hardly pronounced (maybe 1/4th of it). There is no way to really write it with English letters. It really shouldn't be a "u". It's about half of a Schwa.
Good thing for non Danes that there aren't a lot of Danish creators. Many of their sounds are almost IMPOSSIBLE for foreigners to make. They have 23 different vowels!
I've never heard Kari Korhonen's name pronounced by a Finn, so I am curious what a Finn would use for an English spelling. I would guess "Kahree Kohrhoanehn" the "oa' representing a longer "Long O" than the "oh", which would also represent a "Long O", but a shorter one.
Speaking of German. Wouldn't Strobl (the German name) be pronounced "SHtrobl" using English sound-letter correspondence? I guess that one of his forebears Anglicised (Americanised) it.
No, the Dutch "R" in Nadorp can't be produced by English sounds. The Spanish (and a little less so Italian) "trilled r" is closer than most European Rs. The Germans can get close (but no cigar or Segar for that matter).
Ub Iwerks couldn't be pronounced by English speakers.
Would Jack Bradbury be pronounced the British way "Bradbuhree", or the American way "Bradberry"?
Jan Gulbransson would be pronounced "Yan" "Gooolbrahnssssohnn" using English sound/letter arrangement. Jan has a friend from New York, who has known him for about 40 years, who continues to pronounce Jan's first name with the hard American "J" (no matter how many times we correct him). They corresponded through the post for ten years before they met in person.
People in USA hearing my name Klein, but not seeing it in print, invariably spell it "Cline" or "Kline". When they see it spelled correctly, they call me "Mr. CLEAN"!!!
Daan Jippes would be spelt thusly in English: "Dahn Yippus" but e "u" is hardly pronounced (maybe 1/4th of it). There is no way to really write it with English letters. It really shouldn't be a "u". It's about half of a Schwa.
Good thing for non Danes that there aren't a lot of Danish creators. Many of their sounds are almost IMPOSSIBLE for foreigners to make. They have 23 different vowels!
I've never heard Kari Korhonen's name pronounced by a Finn, so I am curious what a Finn would use for an English spelling. I would guess "Kahree Kohrhoanehn" the "oa' representing a longer "Long O" than the "oh", which would also represent a "Long O", but a shorter one.
Gerd Syllwasschy
Pronunciation of artists' names
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2010-09-09 at 21:10:26
Yeah. And John Lustig's last name should be pronounced something like "loostikh", but he says he's already happy when insurance salesmen don't call him "Mr. Lusting" on the phone.
Gerd Syllwasschy
Pronunciation of artists' names
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2010-09-09 at 21:14:49
Quote from user: Robb_KSpeaking of German. Wouldn't Strobl (the German name) be pronounced "SHtrobl" using English sound-letter correspondence?
I never thought of pronouncing it with a "sh" sound, but, yes, that would be the way to do it if it were a German name. Looks a bit Yiddish to me, by the way.
I never thought of pronouncing it with a "sh" sound, but, yes, that would be the way to do it if it were a German name. Looks a bit Yiddish to me, by the way.
Coolwater
Pronunciation of artists' names
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2010-09-09 at 21:40:31
I pronounce Strobl's name, whose ancestors were from Bohemia, indeed "Shtrobl" (also with a long closed o [o:], a phoneme that the English language doesn't have). I don't really expect a non-German to do it, and I guess Mr. Strobl, too, pronounced his name rather in an English or American, respectively, manner. That the names of the immigrants from the different European countries got "adapted" to the English language is after all the most common phenomenon. "S-trawbl" isn't such a biggie in this respect, I rather cringe when Anglophones pronounce the German diphthong "ei" [ai] as "ee" [i:], they love to do this especially with German or German-Jewish names with "-stein". Sorry, but "Steen" ...
The German diphthong "eu" also seems to be a favored object of violation, even if the correct pronunciation "oi" should make no problem for English speakers and even if this pronunciation should be relatively known in the English-speaking word through the word "deutsch". Some time ago, however, I talked with a psychology student from England who spoke again and again from that German-language author "Fruuud" (like fruit) whose works he purposed to read one day. I did not know whom he was speaking about until after some time the bell in me rang: "Oh, you mean Froooooooooiiiiid!"
For the "ue" of Carl Buettner there are probably also about half a dozen pronunciation variants circulating among Americans. I stick with the 'near-close near-front rounded vowel' here, even if probably exactly that one is not in the supply basket of Anglophones.
I guess that Daan Jippes, when he lived in America, soon gave it up to educate people how to pronounce the J of his name in the right way. I have the same "problem" here, having a non-German last name that is not pronounced correctly by most people when they read it. Usually, I don't correct someone who pronounces it wrong; I only do if people explicitly ask back how it should be pronounced.
Speaking of names, is the name of Freddy Milton originally Danish? "Milton" looks to me more like an English than like a Danish name ...
The German diphthong "eu" also seems to be a favored object of violation, even if the correct pronunciation "oi" should make no problem for English speakers and even if this pronunciation should be relatively known in the English-speaking word through the word "deutsch". Some time ago, however, I talked with a psychology student from England who spoke again and again from that German-language author "Fruuud" (like fruit) whose works he purposed to read one day. I did not know whom he was speaking about until after some time the bell in me rang: "Oh, you mean Froooooooooiiiiid!"
For the "ue" of Carl Buettner there are probably also about half a dozen pronunciation variants circulating among Americans. I stick with the 'near-close near-front rounded vowel' here, even if probably exactly that one is not in the supply basket of Anglophones.
I guess that Daan Jippes, when he lived in America, soon gave it up to educate people how to pronounce the J of his name in the right way. I have the same "problem" here, having a non-German last name that is not pronounced correctly by most people when they read it. Usually, I don't correct someone who pronounces it wrong; I only do if people explicitly ask back how it should be pronounced.
Speaking of names, is the name of Freddy Milton originally Danish? "Milton" looks to me more like an English than like a Danish name ...
Coolwater
Pronunciation of artists' names
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2010-09-09 at 21:51:29
Quote from user: Gerd SyllwasschyLooks a bit Yiddish to me, by the way.
Nah, rather southeastern, Bavarian. The name Strobl is relatively common in my region; a teacher of mine in school had it for instance. You live way too far north, man. :P
Nah, rather southeastern, Bavarian. The name Strobl is relatively common in my region; a teacher of mine in school had it for instance. You live way too far north, man. :P
Robb_K
Pronunciation of artists' names
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2010-09-09 at 22:54:31
Quote from user: CoolwaterI pronounce Strobl's name, whose ancestors were from Bohemia, indeed "Shtrobl" (also with a long closed o [o:], a phoneme that the English language doesn't have). I don't really expect a non-German to do it, and I guess Mr. Strobl, too, pronounced his name rather in an English or American, respectively, manner. That the names of the immigrants from the different European countries got "adapted" to the English language is after all the most common phenomenon. "S-trawbl" isn't such a biggie in this respect, I rather cringe when Anglophones pronounce the German diphthong "ei" [ai] as "ee" [i:], they love to do this especially with German or German-Jewish names with "-stein". Sorry, but "Steen" ...
The German diphthong "eu" also seems to be a favored object of violation, even if the correct pronunciation "oi" should make no problem for English speakers and even if this pronunciation should be relatively known in the English-speaking word through the word "deutsch". Some time ago, however, I talked with a psychology student from England who spoke again and again from that German-language author "Fruuud" (like fruit) whose works he purposed to read one day. I did not know whom he was speaking about until after some time the bell in me rang: "Oh, you mean Froooooooooiiiiid!"
For the "ue" of Carl Buettner there are probably also about half a dozen pronunciation variants circulating among Americans. I stick with the 'near-close near-front rounded vowel' here, even if probably exactly that one is not in the supply basket of Anglophones.
I guess that Daan Jippes, when he lived in America, soon gave it up to educate people how to pronounce the J of his name in the right way. I have the same "problem" here, having a non-German last name that is not pronounced correctly by most people when they read it. Usually, I don't correct someone who pronounces it wrong; I only do if people explicitly ask back how it should be pronounced.
Speaking of names, is the name of Freddy Milton originally Danish? "Milton" looks to me more like an English than like a Danish name ...
No, Milton is definitely NOT a Danish name. Milton is a "Nom de plume" name, his artist brother, Ingo, has also adopted. He has a very common Danish last name (one of the most common eight). I don't think it's my place to mention what it is (although, I'm sure that he is not trying to hide it). A great great uncle of his went to North America and returned many years before Freddy was born. And he was enamoured with America. His stories about it became family legends. Milton was used by a few family members (including Freddy) as a "middle name".
The German diphthong "eu" also seems to be a favored object of violation, even if the correct pronunciation "oi" should make no problem for English speakers and even if this pronunciation should be relatively known in the English-speaking word through the word "deutsch". Some time ago, however, I talked with a psychology student from England who spoke again and again from that German-language author "Fruuud" (like fruit) whose works he purposed to read one day. I did not know whom he was speaking about until after some time the bell in me rang: "Oh, you mean Froooooooooiiiiid!"
For the "ue" of Carl Buettner there are probably also about half a dozen pronunciation variants circulating among Americans. I stick with the 'near-close near-front rounded vowel' here, even if probably exactly that one is not in the supply basket of Anglophones.
I guess that Daan Jippes, when he lived in America, soon gave it up to educate people how to pronounce the J of his name in the right way. I have the same "problem" here, having a non-German last name that is not pronounced correctly by most people when they read it. Usually, I don't correct someone who pronounces it wrong; I only do if people explicitly ask back how it should be pronounced.
Speaking of names, is the name of Freddy Milton originally Danish? "Milton" looks to me more like an English than like a Danish name ...
No, Milton is definitely NOT a Danish name. Milton is a "Nom de plume" name, his artist brother, Ingo, has also adopted. He has a very common Danish last name (one of the most common eight). I don't think it's my place to mention what it is (although, I'm sure that he is not trying to hide it). A great great uncle of his went to North America and returned many years before Freddy was born. And he was enamoured with America. His stories about it became family legends. Milton was used by a few family members (including Freddy) as a "middle name".
Coolwater
Pronunciation of artists' names
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2010-09-10 at 00:49:30
Oh, I see, thank you. I didn't know "Milton" is just something like his middle name. His full name doesn't really seem to be a secret, one can easily google it out, it is mentioned "everywhere", I just saw ...
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