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The Eye-sore Genealogist
A feeble attempt.... I am not sure how accurate my math was on this, but I tried. So, anyway, this is what happens when your a Duck fan and have too much time on your hands....

Many fictitious numbers have been given for the logic defying horde of Uncle Scrooge, but here I shall attempt to determine exactly how much in genuine numerics all of the McDuck fortune is worth, using mathematics.
In the Magic Hourglass, we Scrooge claims that at a rate of losing $1,000,000 a minute, he will go bankrupt in 600 years. I??ll use that as a starting point. Okay, so there are about 525,959 minutes in a year, and some where around 31,575,400 minutes in six hundred years. One million dollars multiplied by 31,575,400 is E 31,557.54000 or rather, $31,575,400,000,000. Scrooge McDuck is worth about thirty one trillion, five hundred seventy five billion, four million dollars...
HOWEVER, that would only amount to all the crash he has invested in stocks, bonds, and banks around the globe. That number is constantly fluctuating as his vast empire gains and loses money by the hour. What of the cash he never spends, his claim to fame... How much cash is in the Money Bin?
We??re told, most likely as a general estimation, that the Money Bin (on Killmotor Hill- heaven forbid including the second Bin in downtown Duckburg) contains ??three cubic acres? of differing types of money from all over the world the Scrooge has earned himself, personally. Therefore, the money spread out within the Bin would not be of consistent value- some buckets of thousand dollar bills here, a mountain of quarters there, and so forth. This makes calculating an accurate sum difficult, but I think I can come to a close maximum/minimum for the contents of the Money Bin. Alrighty then- so when they say an acre, they are most likely referring to the United States survey acre (which is exactly 4,046.872,609,874,252 square meters), and a ??cubic acre? would presumably be a the volume of a cube with edges one acre in length. Therefore, a cubic acre would be around E 6.628261182 meters, or 66,282,611,823m. Three cubic acres would be 198,847,835,469 meters cubed. Now, for the money... Say, Scrooge has a million dollars every cubic meter (far more or far less could fit into that space, but the Bin??s contents vary a great deal from layer to layer, so we??re going with what would have been the usual pour in during his 30 years globe trotting). If most of all three cubic acres is filled with an even amount of cash, then we??re looking at a figure near $198,847,835,469,000,000- one hundred ninety eight quadrillion, eight hundred forty seven trillion, eight hundred thirty five billion, four hundred sixty nine million dollars! Insanity! It is, most likely, LESS than that, by a good bit. However, a fair maximum for the amount of money Scrooge keeps in his Money Bin would be some where around one hundred quadrillion. Fenton Crackshell had not need to exaggerate! 198,879,410,869,000,000 at best estimation.
Then of course, he does have all those fantastic treasures, such the small moon of 24 karat gold.... But I??m not going there!

"It is, most likely, LESS than that, by a good bit. "

It retrospect, there is probably much, much MORE than that in the Money Bin.... One hundred quardrillion is better fitting for the -minimum- of cash, not the maximum. Yes, I know Scrooge's fortune to be incalculable, but this was still pretty fun.
Quackpack
Lets just say it varies....
Robb_K
All those "estimates" are based on assumptions of what is in each level of the Money Bin (which changed throughout Scrooge McDuck's life. ANY estimate is bound to be quite far off. There are TOO many variables, and no real information. The only real information consists of the quotes from Barks, which vary in multiples of Trillions (but the size of Huey, Dewey and Louie shows no discernible difference in those stories with very different totals). All we can "know" is that McDuck's total amount of wealth varied wildly over a period of a few short years, and almost always was counted to the exact cent to within seconds of the last money coming in or going out, and yet always had 16 cents left over after the last Dollar.
Anyone quoting a figure different from Barks (regardless of his method of estimation) is making a wild guess that CAN'T be substantiated. We never saw any list of all assets that Scrooge owned. Anyone owning what was described as the assets he possessed, would be having tens to hundreds of thousands of Dollars moving in and out of his coffers every second. The idea of trying to figure out the extent of his wealth at any given time is admirable, but impossible (and, thus, ludicrous).
Dutch Duckfan Down Under
Quote from user: Robb_K]We never saw any list of all assets that Scrooge owned.
We kinda did, but not entirely. The first pages of "The 7 Cities of Cibola" show us that Scrooge has at least one of every kind of money-making business, except for arrowhead-searches. Also, the end of "Marahadja of Howduyustan" might help solve the problem wehre Scrooge keeps all his money, and some stuff Scrooge has is explained in "The Second Richest Duck". Still, that's not a tiny bit of the entire list of assets that Scrooge owns.
The Eye-sore Genealogist
You forget "The Money Champ", in which we see the sum of ALL (or least, most) of Scrooge's wealth together in one spot as Silver Dollars. Granted, I did not bother using that, as determining the number of coins seemed rather difficult. However, the contents of the MONEY BIN, should never really change that much.... It for the most part remains exactly the same- just below one hundred feet deep. It should be possible to come to an approximation of his wealth at a particular point in time... Say when The Money Champ took place. Anyway, I did this more for amusement then anything else.
Robb_K
Quote from user: The Eye-sore GenealogistYou forget "The Money Champ", in which we see the sum of ALL (or least, most) of Scrooge's wealth together in one spot as Silver Dollars. Granted, I did not bother using that, as determining the number of coins seemed rather difficult. However, the contents of the MONEY BIN, should never really change that much.... It for the most part remains exactly the same- just below one hundred feet deep. It should be possible to come to an approximation of his wealth at a particular point in time... Say when The Money Champ took place. Anyway, I did this more for amusement then anything else.
Of course, such speculation is for amusement. What other reason could there be? No Disney publisher is going to pay someone for making such a calculation. Having a scientifically-proven calculation is not going to sell more than a handful extra of Uncle Scrooge comic books.

I still maintain that the "information" provided in "The Money Champ" is not nearly accurate enough to make any kind of estimate without using assumptions that would make the "estimate" extremely subjective and loose. There is no way to have any idea of how much money Scrooge had, as we will never know what "obsquatamatillions, fantasticatillions, uncountabatillions, and so on mean as number values. All we can ever know is that he had an uncountable amount of money. But that the grand total always (for whatever reason) had sixteen cents in change in excess of the last whole Dollar. And, that is the way Barks intended our understanding to be.

All of the so called "proofs" of how much money he has are no more proof than someone making up a number. Even the estimates of the "value" of how much gold, diamonds, rubies, emeralds and star sapphires he had in each level of his money bin are subject to arguable assumptions,-and bound to be inaccurate, based on differing views on those assumptions. But, in any case, Scrooges overall wealth at any given time was never accurately portrayed. Seeing a pile of money in "The Money Champ" is not detailed enough information to make such an estimate. The only thing we know (with certainty) was that Glomgold's pile of silver Dollars was 1,100 square inches smaller than Scrooges (and that was an infinitesimal portion of their piles). It's also incredible that Duckburg's mint could have minted so many silver Dollars. And it was silly that those in the piles only represented those taken out of public circulation.

It's fun to speculate, but until we find a piece of paper with Carl Barks' signature on it, that represented notes for a story, or his series, that stated the exact total of Dollars (or another denomination) that represented the monetary value of all Scrooge's possessions at a given time, everything is just speculation. And IF we were to find such a paper, IF that figure is just a "name" (e.g. no definition based on our number system is provided to understand what those made up numbers represent), such information will tell us nothing more than what we know now (it is an uncountable number).

I asked Carl about that very issue (How much is an "uncountabatillion"?, obsquatamatillion?, etc.?). He told me he just wanted to represent an uncountable number, and, of course, never bothered to write all the zeros down to pin it down. "Who has the time for that?", he said. "I just wanted to write entertaining stories. The few little scientists, who aren't satisfied with that, will have to speculate on their own."
The Eye-sore Genealogist
All I dare make are estimations and speculations... I make no claim to anything else. And being the little scientist that I am, I have been given due permission to speculate.
GeoX
Another point to make is that if we take any reasonable estimate of Scrooge's wealth and follow it to its logical conclusion in real-world terms, the economy would have to be pretty well destroyed, since he would HAVE to own most of the money in the world (throw Glomgold--who we know is very nearly as rich--into the equation, and things get even more untenable). IANAE, but surely having ALL of that wealth in the possession of ONE extremely miserly guy is gonna leave a huge percentage of the world flat broke (yes, this is ALREADY the case in the real-real world--but now even more so).
Just as an example, note that in "The Twenty-Four Carat Moon" he acquires a sum of gold exponentially greater than the entire world's gold supply combined. What's THAT gonna do market values?
...and that's why suspension of disbelief is so important here.
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