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Topic: $crooge has a Middle name!?!...

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Sim
Everyone knows $crooge M¢Duck, the World's Richest Duck, but no one knows he has a Middle name, choose for him by Barks.
This name appears in one only panel in "Race to the South Seas".
It's funny, but in that story, $crooge has been always called Scrooge and not by his Middle name, but in that panel, in a document, not translated in all over the world, the name of World's Richest Duck is "[l]Dagobert McDuck[l]"
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/2388/70058517.jpg (Page 2; Panel 4).
What do you think? ;)
McDuck Menu
Are you sure that was in the original print? In the Netherlands Scrooge is called Dagobert McDuck, so perhaps this was a reprint from the Dutch reprint in the USA?
Roger North
I'm not sure what Scrooge's middle name is but I do know it begins with a D. I'm not sure it's Dagobert because that's his name in German. Maybe it's Drake or Donald or something like that.
Sim
I'm almost sure it is...
Also in my italian translation, ther's written "Dagobert McDuck"... I don't think it is a German or Dutch scan...
Robb_K
Even if that came from USA, it would have originated from the Dutch inked version. That is a story specially made for March of Comics in 1949. Its original artwork and photostats were lost long ago. To be printed, The Dutch Disney Comics publisher, Oberon, had Daan Jippes and another Dutch artist re-ink over photocopies of Barks' original lines from the actual comic book pages. So, the new masters came from the Dutch re-inking, placing "Dagobert" where "Scrooge" stood in Barks' original. The only time Barks' original was reprinted, was in "Carl Barks Samlaede Vaerker" ("Collected Works of Carl Barks" Scandanavian and Geerman new "Carl Barks Collection", recently, when colour photocopies of the original comic's page were used. That has "Scrooge McDuck" rather than Dagobert on the legal paper (deed).
Gerd Syllwasschy
Heh, I just looked: even the CBL has that "Dagobert" line.
I agree with Robb's explanation, of course.
Ramapith
Quote from user: Robb_KThe Dutch Disney Comics publisher, Oberon, had Daan Jippes and another Dutch artist re-ink over photocopies of Barks' original lines from the actual comic book pages.
AFAIK, Jippes reinked "Race to the South Seas" alone.
It was on "Darkest Africa" where Jippes worked on some pages and another inker (Dick Vlottes) on others.Quote:The only time Barks' original was reprinted, was in [the] new "Carl Barks Collection", recently, when colour photocopies of the original comic's page were used. That has "Scrooge McDuck" rather than Dagobert on the legal paper (deed).
Mostly right, but we did have an "improved" version at Gemstone??in WALT DISNEY TREASURES 1??that was a mixture of Jippes and newly restored Barks, and here the legal paper said Scrooge too, thanks to our fixing it!
Gerd Syllwasschy
Quote from user: ramapitha mixture of Jippes and newly restored Barks
Could you elaborate on this, David? I'm curious why one would do such a thing.
Robb_K
Quote from user: ramapithQuote from user: Robb_KThe Dutch Disney Comics publisher, Oberon, had Daan Jippes and another Dutch artist re-ink over photocopies of Barks' original lines from the actual comic book pages.
AFAIK, Jippes reinked "Race to the South Seas" alone.
It was on "Darkest Africa" where Jippes worked on some pages and another inker (Dick Vlottes) on others.Quote:The only time Barks' original was reprinted, was in [the] new "Carl Barks Collection", recently, when colour photocopies of the original comic's page were used. That has "Scrooge McDuck" rather than Dagobert on the legal paper (deed).
Mostly right, but we did have an "improved" version at Gemstone??in WALT DISNEY TREASURES 1??that was a mixture of Jippes and newly restored Barks, and here the legal paper said Scrooge too, thanks to our fixing it!

Yes, David, it was only Jippes that worked on "Race to the South Seas". Vlottes worked on "Darkest Africa" (much to a lot of people's chagrin). I had forgotten which story we were talking about. But, in any case, Oberon had him ink in the name "Dagobert".
Ramapith
Quote from user: Gerd SyllwasschyQuote from user: ramapitha mixture of Jippes and newly restored Barks
Could you elaborate on this, David? I'm curious why one would do such a thing.

We wanted to use the original Barks art, or as much of it as we could, while still being able to give it new color (at the time, photographically reproducing the 1940s color wasn't an option for us). To give it new color, of course, we would need the Barks line art in black and white??but this was, of course, the very thing that had been unavailable for decades.

Sometimes if you can't find something, you can recreate it. From a colleague, I acquired a French printing of the Barks art with sharp line reproduction and often light colors. So light were some of the colors, in fact, that I could electronically remove most of them, giving me some nice line art.
But while nice, it was far from usable even in black and white. It had been entirely remounted and reformatted; with voice balloons redrawn, some details removed, some pages reproduced better than others, some added shading impossible to erase, and so forth.

In the end, I created a kind of cut-and-paste job, laying all usable pieces of the French Barks line art in on top of the Dutch reinks. The result was much more Barks than before (particularly WRT the heads and upper bodies of the characters), but there was still obviously some Jippes linework left.

I considered it a fair compromise in 2006; but were the story to be reprinted again today, I think there are sources that could provide me with even more of the Barks original.
Roger North
I have Race to the South Seas in Donald Duck Adventures (Disney Series) #26 and Walt Disney Treasures #1 and I don't remember seeing Scrooge's middle name in either copy that I have. I also have Darkest Africa in Donald Duck Adventures (Disney Series) #29.
Cacou
Quote from user: ramapithQuote from user: Robb_KThe only time Barks' original was reprinted, was in [the] new "Carl Barks Collection", recently, when colour photocopies of the original comic's page were used. That has "Scrooge McDuck" rather than Dagobert on the legal paper (deed).
Mostly right, but we did have an "improved" version at Gemstone??in WALT DISNEY TREASURES 1??that was a mixture of Jippes and newly restored Barks, and here the legal paper said Scrooge too, thanks to our fixing it!

Barks' original art was also published in Italy, several times, in the 1950s, and in France in 1971:

Gerd Syllwasschy
Thanks for the interesting explanation, David. I imagine it must have been quite a finicky task to seamlessly splice together the Barks and Jippes art.
Deyanmegara
While reading this thread, a question occured to me:
Didn't the European publishers receive the lineart of the stories in the 50s and 60s? If they did, did they keep them or did they just throw them away after printing? And has the lineart of some story been preserved outside the US?
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