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Donald22

Don Rosa - revitalizing, refreshing and a fantastic writer Message 1 - 2010-03-11 at 14:49:17

I think this subject is needed in order to counter-balance the other Don Rosa topic. I think Don Rosa has been one of the best thing ever in the history of Disney comics (and even comics) and that this should be acknowledged at the same place than its detractors.
Sorry for my bad English.

Dia-Dia

Don Rosa - revitalizing, refreshing and a fantastic writer Message 2 - 2010-03-11 at 17:35:23

Hmmm... of course you can think and say what you want, wherever you want and whenever you want, as long as it is not offensive, but... do you have some arguments to support your claims? Rosa is first and foremost well known because greater authors are lesser known i.e. have been less publicized. Here in Germany, his collected Disney stories have been published several times already in diverse anthologies, most notably so the Hall of Fame collection. Luciano Bottaro, to name just him (and only a complete fool would deny that he had tremendous talent as an artist and was a good writer of stories, when he did), Luciano Bottaro has had no such honour yet and likely never will have. Why? I strongly suspect: because he was more genuine.

GeoX

Don Rosa - revitalizing, refreshing and a fantastic writer Message 3 - 2010-03-11 at 17:55:30

Huh. So the argument is that Rosa's only well-regarded because he's received a lot of exposure. And he's received a lot of exposure because...? I cannot help but note the circularity of this argument. Unless your real point is that philistine comics fans are just too bourgeois to recognize True Artistry when they see it? If we're to take that argument seriously, then the legacy of Barks himself would seem to be severely in doubt.

Rodney

Don Rosa - revitalizing, refreshing and a fantastic writer Message 4 - 2010-03-11 at 18:36:39

Of course, you never explain why someone who is genuine would receive less honour.

Ksaarto

Don Rosa - revitalizing, refreshing and a fantastic writer Message 5 - 2010-03-11 at 18:43:11

There are hundreds and thousands of people lining up just get an autograph or exchange few words with Don Rosa every time he tours around the world. The reason for that is not that those hundreds of thousands of people have lost their minds, but actually enjoy stories that _to them_ are refreshingly fun and written better than anything else on the market. Lots of those fans are young adults who without Rosa, would have stopped reading Disney comics.
I am sure there are numbers somewhere that would prove out that Rosa has made Disney comics more popular than they were before him in certain countries (including U.S.). That would certainly count as "revitalizing" even if you don't happen to like his work.
Does these count as arguments?
As to why Luciano Bottaro was not as popular (outside Italy), I don't know. Maybe he did not reach out to fans, or his stories just didn't stand out enough. Maybe before Rosa no one would believe, that fans would actually care about the creators (except Barks). Now publishers at least here in Finland are making loads of hard cover collections of several masters' best work including Jippes, Scarpa, Vicar, Rota, Strobl, Korhonen, Cavazzano, Murry and Branca. I dare to say that without Rosa's fame proving that people care, those collections would not have happened.

Dia-Dia

Don Rosa - revitalizing, refreshing and a fantastic writer Message 6 - 2010-03-11 at 18:43:23

Dear GeoX (since I suppose you were writing to me), my argument seems circular because there is a circularity. Of the market, that is. The Product Rosa has sold himself well, and has been sold well, by being referential and self-referential. The Product Bottaro has sold himself less well, and been sold less well, because it was considered a mass product, a product among many of the same, inferior value (honestly - the re-evaluation of the Italian Disney artists has only slowly begun to start). When Rosa writes, as in "The Universal Solvent", that even Jules Verne couldn't have imagined such a story, I believe he means. Maybe he has been led to believe it. By the market. On which he is a luxury product. And, I think, undeservedly so. Because I, personally, find that he is merely parodying a style, not creating something of his own. Like Ted Benoit and André Juillard and Jean van Hamme and Yves Sente with Edgar P. Jacobs. I am comparing Carl Barks with E. P. Jacobs here, which means that I am not the kind of standard denigrator of Americans I could be surmised to be. But still.

Dia-Dia

Don Rosa - revitalizing, refreshing and a fantastic writer Message 7 - 2010-03-11 at 18:44:43

Quote from user: rodneyOf course, you never explain why someone who is genuine would receive less honour.
Rodney - I suppose I did.

Rodney

Don Rosa - revitalizing, refreshing and a fantastic writer Message 8 - 2010-03-11 at 19:12:35

So now we have *two* threads where one person states that Don Rosa is essentially an insufferable boor, which is oddly enough the same kind of toxic spew that killed the DCML, and from the same person at that. Keep it up friends. Keep it up.

Dia-Dia

Don Rosa - revitalizing, refreshing and a fantastic writer Message 9 - 2010-03-11 at 19:26:45

Quote from user: rodneySo now we have *two* threads where one person states that Don Rosa is essentially an insufferable boor, which is oddly enough the same kind of toxic spew that killed the DCML, and from the same person at that. Keep it up friends. Keep it up.
What about being a little more constructive, Rodney?

Mcduck_Enterprises

Don Rosa - revitalizing, refreshing and a fantastic writer Message 10 - 2010-03-11 at 20:41:38

Mr. Rosa has done more for Uncle Scrooge than any other artist since Carl Barks. These crummy logistics about others not being as popular and divided opinions on the stories and art, even feelings about the man himself, cannot even come close to the fact that Don Rosa breathed life into what came before.

GeoX

Don Rosa - revitalizing, refreshing and a fantastic writer Message 11 - 2010-03-11 at 20:51:44

Once again--'round and 'round the mulberry bush. You talk as if there's some kind of sinister cabal that conspired to make Rosa popular. No: if his stories are considered "luxury" items, it's because they resonate with people, and they resonate with people--whether or not YOU think they're too reverential--because of the obvious passion that went into them. If you wish to argue that Rosa's many, many fans are all hopelessly deluded, that is your prerogative, I suppose, but let's not pretend that this viewpoint has any objective, rational basis--and you certainly shouldn't expect to convince anyone.
At least you've apparently dropped the argument that Rosa's failure to write mouse stories means he's akin to the Taliban. Baby steps.

Morequack

Don Rosa - revitalizing, refreshing and a fantastic writer Message 12 - 2010-03-11 at 21:13:14

Quote from user: Dia-Dia...say what you want, wherever you want and whenever you want, as long as it is not offensive, but... do you have some arguments to support your claims?
Quote from user: Dia-DiaLuciano Bottaro, I strongly suspect was more genuine.
Quote from user: Dia-Dia"Don Rosa [is] smug, self-conscious...less genuine"
So, 'do you have some arguments to support your claim' for being offensive toward Don Rosa on such a personal level? Or are we to believe you just know the man personally and that gives you the authority to bash his character when and where he cannot respond to defend himself?

Buffalo Springfield sings a song titled, Paranoia Strikes Deep: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5M_Ttstbgs

Morequack

Don Rosa - revitalizing, refreshing and a fantastic writer Message 13 - 2010-03-11 at 21:21:11

Quote from user: GeoXAt least you've apparently dropped the argument that Rosa's failure to write mouse stories means he's akin to the Taliban. Baby steps.
:D

Rodney

Don Rosa - revitalizing, refreshing and a fantastic writer Message 14 - 2010-03-11 at 21:53:22

Wait'll the argument starts that only people who hate Barks would buy the Library....... That's a good one!

Dutch Duckfan Down Under

Don Rosa - revitalizing, refreshing and a fantastic writer Message 15 - 2010-03-12 at 14:21:28

Quote from user: GeoXAt least you've apparently dropped the argument that Rosa's failure to write mouse stories means he's akin to the Taliban. Baby steps.
Well... he did predict the 9/11 by 4 years. Just read "Attack of the Hideous Space-Varmints!", which was written in 1997 if you don't belive me! :) Just watch:
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4581/911k.jpg

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