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Starting with part 3 ("GAAAHHHH")
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Don Rosa:
> OH, for PETE'S SAKE!!!! HARRY!!! WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL ROEP BACK AND
> ASK HIM WHAT HE THINKS HE'S DOING!!!!!!! "Buckaroo of the
> Badlands" is part THREE of the "Life of $crooge" -- not part 1!!!!

I can't reach mr. Roep right now - he's a busy man.
I guess he doesn't even know there's an order in the stories... He said he
hadn't seen the story yet (so I guess some other staff member did the
translation).

> DAMN -- what a way to start my day with #$%^&$& news like that!!!

What are you worrying about? Holland is just a little country where almost
noone ever heard of Don Rosa. And those who *have* heard of you won't
be satisfied with a Dutch translation, as a lot of your texts are
untranslatable.

Gladstone and Disney index
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I promised there would be new versions of the Gladstone & Disney indexes
this week.
Andy Krieg has made an index for the Gladstone comic albums and giants.
I have to merge his data in our existing indexes, adjust some formats, and
make a new version of the 'creators' list.
All of this takes some time (to do it good), and I am quite busy, so I think
it won't be until next week that new versions of the indexes will be
available on the ftp-site.

International Disney Comic Character Names
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Fredrik: yes, Flemish is to Dutch what American is to English (and Mexican
to Spanish etc.) So if nl-be is more standard, do it that way.

And I would have liked ftp better than mailing it all to the list; I only
forgot to tell you that (and now it's too late...)
I guess it will be available on ftp, too (?)

--Harry.

Dear Harry (and everyone),

I'm not sure if you know this, but there are ENGLISH reprints
available of ALL of Barks' non-Disney work.

"The Barks Bear Book" was published about twelve years ago. It's a
paperback with a cover price of $40. I have never seen it going for more
than that; frequently, I've seen comic shops selling it for less! The
stories inside seem to be Xeroxed from the original comics; they aren't
black-and-white. However, for Xeroxes of that kind, they are superb, because
the colors have picked up as unblemished (for the most part) gray tones and
so the pages resulting do look pretty good. Only one story (Our Gang #18) is
light and washed-out. But everything is there; ALL the Our Gang Comics
work, as well as Barks' only Porky Pig and Andy Panda stories (from 1944 and
1943, respectively). It was published by Editions Enfin in Europe (because
only in Europe would representatives of WB, MGM and Lantz give the license
for their characters to all appear in the same book!), but made for the US
market.

If you just want to see one or two of Barks' non-Disney stories,
Harvey Comics got the Tom and Jerry license two years ago, and right at the
start released a scant few Barks stories (with Barks' name advertised on the
covers!). A few were released in reprints, it seemed, from the original
1940s proofs. Then a few were released RE-TRANSLATED from FRENCH proofs
(!!!!!), and the translations, using the word "nerd" frequently and misnaming
characters, are terrible. They must have only had French proofs for all the
others, because they suddenly stopped using any Barks material. I think this
must have been because fans wrote in demanding that no more "retranslated"
stories be used.

Here's what Harvey printed:

TOM AND JERRY 1. Has Barney Bear and Benny Burro moose hunt story
from OG #12, in its original form.
TOM AND JERRY 50TH ANNIVERSARY SPECIAL 1. Has Barney/Benny wild
horse story from OG #13, in its original form, and Benny mountain goat story
from OG 9, also in its original form.
TOM AND JERRY AND FRIENDS 1. (Look for the cover of Tom in
hell.....!) Has Happy Hound (Droopy) story from OG 9, in its original form.
A superb story in the spirit of Tex Avery!
T&J 2 and 4, as well as T&JF 2, have Barks stories as well, but these
are the rewritten ones, referring to HUGO Hound and Benny DONKEY. Nuts!

Anyway, that's all for now. I'll have some info on the German Rosas
for you guys soon!

And what did you think of my modest proposal re: "War of the
Wendigo"?

Your friend,

David Gerstein

David:
> "The Barks Bear Book" was published about twelve years ago. It's a
> paperback with a cover price of $40. I have never seen it going for more
> than that; frequently, I've seen comic shops selling it for less!

Harry:
> I know the Barks Bear book. Two years ago, there were only *two* copies
> left in any comic shop in Holland (and I've visited them all - Holland is a
> small country). They were very expensive though (about twice the original
> price).
> (...)
> So maybe I have to visit some comic shops outside Holland...

Maybe that'd be a good idea. I found two copies of it in a comics
shop in Sweden a couple of years ago for around USD 20 each. I
thought that was a very good price but unfortunately I was dead broke,
so I had to give up the thought of buying it. I assumed that that
would be one of those items I'd keep regretting I didn't bought, as it
would only become more and more expensive, but then, just a few weeks
ago I found a used copy for USD 3.50! "All things come to him who
sits and waits! That's my slogan!" (Gladstone Gander).

As for the "names" list, yes I've put the new version on the ftp
archive along with the extracting program. Re Flemish: are there
actually Disney comics published in Flemish? I think that entry came
from the stuff I had assembled but hadn't gone through. Maybe it
shouldn't be there at all?
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Oh, it's you, Rabbit Ears!"

COMMENTS ON #THIRTY-SOMETHING
Lots of lightning here -- excuse the line noise.

Oh, don't worry about whether or not you could post my script for "War of the Wendigo" or anything else (though I know you're not
doing it anyway). Disney doesn't own it until it's been printed a certain way. Since they haven't used it,an English version of the
dialogue is not their property. Disney now owns the art image as that's been printed, but not my words.

And to Harry: Whaddiya mean, don't worry about whether Holland screws up my story or not?! What an attitude! I don't care if there
are only 10 people in Holland and only one of them reads my story and he doesn't know my name! That's not the point! I put a gosh-
awful amount of work into my comics and it is exTREEEEMly irritating if someone screws my stuff all up out of sheer ignorance or
carelessness! I really expect more from the Dutch publishers than that, I'm I'm counting on YOU to notify them of their mistake before
it's too late!
Can anyone read any of this? I sure can't!

Per Starback wrote (about Flemish character names on the names list):
>Maybe it shouldn't be there at all?

And Harry Fluks replied:
>Well, should the name list only contain *recent* character's names?
>I don't know.

I suppose I'm the one to answer those questions since I'm in charge of
editing the list, and I don't know either! The major problem with this
list (which I think I already mentioned some time ago) is that it can
NEVER be complete. Not even if I had an unlimited budget, a staff of
500 people and could work full time on the project, we could never be
completely sure that it'd really be complete. As it is, we can have no
more than a small fraction of all the disney characters and their names.
Thus, the question rises (again) as of where to stop. Does anyone bother
that the Tramp is called Lufsen in Swedish, or that Bongo's name is
Bongo in Swedish, Bongo in Norwegian and Bongo in Spanish, too? I just
don't have a clue. As for the Flemish names (thanks for the info, Harry)
I think it should be there. Those old stories probably carry some value,
at least for some Disney-loving, Flemish-speaking person...

As for what else should be there, I have asked you before (without
getting too much response) what you think should be there. For the time
being, I'll just keep it pretty much as it is, without deleting anything
and adding as many translation as I can and only occasional characters
that I think are more important than the average. But then again, who am
I to judge?

So; what do you think?

/Fredrik Ekman

David wrote:

> Here's what Harvey printed:
>
> TOM AND JERRY 1. Has Barney Bear and Benny Burro moose hunt story
> from OG #12, in its original form.
> TOM AND JERRY 50TH ANNIVERSARY SPECIAL 1. Has Barney/Benny wild
> horse story from OG #13, in its original form, and Benny mountain goat story
> from OG 9, also in its original form.
> TOM AND JERRY AND FRIENDS 1. (Look for the cover of Tom in
> hell.....!) Has Happy Hound (Droopy) story from OG 9, in its original form.
> A superb story in the spirit of Tex Avery!
> T&J 2 and 4, as well as T&JF 2, have Barks stories as well, but these
> are the rewritten ones, referring to HUGO Hound and Benny DONKEY. Nuts!

I looked it up at home: I *do* have T&J number 4, and it doesn't contain
any Barks work. Do you mean some other T&J comic?

--Harry.

>>I get
>>the idea that the sender had seen last week's DD TV special, "An Officer and
>>a Duck".
>>
>> The cartoon was "The Vanishing Private" from 1943, in which Donald
>>paints himself invisible and eventually lands Pete in the looney bin. One of
>>the better ones, I might add. But the real surprise was 1944's "Commando
>>Duck," also shown (titleless) on the program. THIS one has NOT BEEN SHOWN
>>ANYWHERE since 1944, but was inserted almost complete as a DREAM SEQUENCE in
>>the middle of "Sky Trooper," via a very obvious computer technique. The
>>enemy, as you might have been able to tell by the music, was Japan, but the
>>(very few, reportedly) actual face shots of the Japanese were cut here.
>>Nonetheless, the picture was almost entirely complete. Duck cartoon fans who
>>have now taped it should hang on, because it will probably be nowwhere else.

I'm not sure if this discussion belongs in the comics mailing list, but
here goes anyway...

"An Officer and a Duck" was released as a video tape around 8 years ago.
It was part of the Collector's Gold II series, I believe (I could check
my copy if anyone is really interested). The cartoons on this tape are
often heavily edited when shown on the Disney Channel. The one where
Donald contemplates suicide when he thinks he's cut himself in half, almost
always cuts the scene with the gun to the head (this is done to a lot of
old Warner Bros. cartoons as well, "Now I've seen everything..." BANG).
African American caricatures are often edited as well (black faces, etc).

I don't remember if the Japanese face shots are on this tape or not. I do
know that the "How to Be a Sailor" short (Goofy) is intact on another tape
in that series, and does include Japanese caricatures. I do recall "Sky
Trooper" being on the AOAAD tape, but I'm not so sure if "Commando Duck" is.

Andy

The CNN Headline News (and I suppose therefore on the CNN news
broadcast too, although I didn't catch it there) showed a report
of the exhibit of some 45 (?) of the Carl Barks oil paintings that
are being displayed in Atlanta as part of the comics dealers'
show, at which Barks will be paid special recognition in person.
I hope Don Rosa, who is on the program, will give us a first-hand
report. Anyway, it was gratifying to see the paintings being
featured in a segment on the cable news. Wouldn't it be nice to
own one of the originals, instead of Another Rainbow's lithographs,
if you just had $125,000 to spend for one? Dream on...

Wilmer Rivers
rivers at seismo.css.gov