Dear Harry Fluks (and everyone),
In the last digest you told me: "In one of your letters [in Disney's
US 255] you mention a German artist re-inking Barks's "King Scrooge the
first" for Gladstone. The artist must be Ulrich Schroeder. Disney replied
that the reinked story was sent back to the artist, so that he could make
some minor changes. The artist then destroyed the work because he was not
satisfied with it! Are we supposed to *believe* that??"
Bob Foster is honest. That is what he was told by Gladstone,
although he remarked to me on the phone that it seemed surprising.
Yet there are some easy tempers among them Duck artists and writers,
as well as their feathered charges. Reportedly, Fred Milton did some long
Duck story for Oberon in the '70s, then found out it was going to be
published as a regular comic rather than an album (or vice versa), so
withdrew it, hid (or destroyed?) the original art, then redid the story with
his own freshly-invented anthropomorphic GEESE and had it published by
someone else!!!!
(Fans of Mr. Milton would do well to locate Harvey Comics' Woody
Woodpecker Giant Size #1 if they want to see a Duck-like story with non-Duck
characters, by the way. One of the stories in that, "Danger at Sea," is by
Milton and is the only Milton Woody to see print here. But it was seemingly
printed at random, since it was the only foreign story ever to appear in
their Woody series, and no more have been seen since. Gladstone should
really have the license for Lantz's and MGM's characters... what do you guys
say?)
As for whether the original art was destroyed, my guess is that Mr.
Schroeder DID wreck it. "Didn't Gladstone think to make copies of it before
they sent it back to him?" you ask. Why, of course. They printed four
panels from it in their CBL set V, but the fact that they didn't use that
version for the whole story shows that whatever was done to the original, Mr.
Schroeder DOESN'T want it to be seen. (And maybe Gladstone didn't make
copies of the WHOLE story.)
So we're stuck with Tony Strobl's version.
On another note: Gladstone's DD 280 (which came out hereabouts on
Wednesday) has 16 1936 Taliaferro Sundays in it, comprising, I think, every
one that was printed in WDC&S 1!!! So if you have WDC&S 582-83 and DD 280,
you have all the real COMICS that appeared in WDC&S 1, ladies and germs.
Gladstone will be presenting most of the early Taliaferro stuff in DD
in chronological order, apparently. I say "most of" because in 1989 Disney
DID stop them from using a story with Donald among the Indians, and looking
through my '40s WDC&Ses I notice that Taliaferro loved Chinese laundry jokes.
I hope that most coming DD issues have less Taliaferro than this one
did, though. Having 16 one-page gags in a single issue and only one full
story is a little bit wearing, I think. I wouldn't mind, say, two full
stories (one Barks, one foreign or Van Horn or Rosa) and six pages of
Taliaferro, though. We'll see what other letter-writers say. (I DID love
#280, though! I just hope it won't be the norm from here on.)
...Yeah, it's nice to have Gladstone back.
Your friend,
David Gerstein
Author
Topic: 199306
(85 messages)
Larry J. Gerstein
Scrooge, Schroeder and Slip-ups
Message 61 -
1993-06-20 at 03:10:21
Per Starback
Freddy Milton -- The Big Sneeze
Message 62 -
1993-06-21 at 02:37:02
David wrote:
> Reportedly, Fred Milton did some long Duck story for Oberon in the
> '70s, then found out it was going to be published as a regular comic
> rather than an album (or vice versa), so withdrew it, hid (or
> destroyed?) the original art, then redid the story with his own
> freshly-invented anthropomorphic GEESE and had it published by someone
> else!!!!
I think that you're thinking about "The Big Sneeze", and I think the
story is more like this:
FM made this as a 32-page Donald story in the 70s and tried
unsuccessfully to sell it to Gutenberghus (= Egmont) in Denmark. When
he couldn't sell it he remade it as a story with new characters and it
was published (with 30 pages) as "Kalle Klodrik i Det Store Nys" in
Denmark in 1976. But evidently FM really wanted it as a Donald story
and kept trying to sell it--a rejection letter from Western dated
January 1980 is published in the German book _Disney von Innen_ in the
chapter on FM. Then at last he managed to sell it to Oberon in
Holland and it was published as a 31-page Donald story in 1980. I
haven't seen it, but Harry has said that it's very good. The code is
H 8001 in case anyone wants to suggest the story for Gladstone.
David again:
> One of the stories in that [Harvey Comics' Woody Woodpecker Giant
> Size #1], "Danger at Sea," is by Milton and is the only Milton Woody
> to see print here.
Oops, we're off to non-Disney-stuff, but anyhow: What story is that?
The story I have in Swedish called approximately "Danger at Sea" is 10
pages and only a part of a loosely connected story which involving a
sneezing dragon. Is this yet another variant of The Big Sneeze??
--
Per
> Reportedly, Fred Milton did some long Duck story for Oberon in the
> '70s, then found out it was going to be published as a regular comic
> rather than an album (or vice versa), so withdrew it, hid (or
> destroyed?) the original art, then redid the story with his own
> freshly-invented anthropomorphic GEESE and had it published by someone
> else!!!!
I think that you're thinking about "The Big Sneeze", and I think the
story is more like this:
FM made this as a 32-page Donald story in the 70s and tried
unsuccessfully to sell it to Gutenberghus (= Egmont) in Denmark. When
he couldn't sell it he remade it as a story with new characters and it
was published (with 30 pages) as "Kalle Klodrik i Det Store Nys" in
Denmark in 1976. But evidently FM really wanted it as a Donald story
and kept trying to sell it--a rejection letter from Western dated
January 1980 is published in the German book _Disney von Innen_ in the
chapter on FM. Then at last he managed to sell it to Oberon in
Holland and it was published as a 31-page Donald story in 1980. I
haven't seen it, but Harry has said that it's very good. The code is
H 8001 in case anyone wants to suggest the story for Gladstone.
David again:
> One of the stories in that [Harvey Comics' Woody Woodpecker Giant
> Size #1], "Danger at Sea," is by Milton and is the only Milton Woody
> to see print here.
Oops, we're off to non-Disney-stuff, but anyhow: What story is that?
The story I have in Swedish called approximately "Danger at Sea" is 10
pages and only a part of a loosely connected story which involving a
sneezing dragon. Is this yet another variant of The Big Sneeze??
--
Per
Harry Fluks
Freddy Milton -- The Big Sneeze
Message 63 -
1993-06-21 at 12:06:39
David:
>> Reportedly, Fred Milton did some long Duck story for Oberon in the
>> '70s, then found out it was going to be published as a regular comic
>> rather than an album (or vice versa), so withdrew it, hid (or
>> destroyed?) the original art, then redid the story with his own
>> freshly-invented anthropomorphic GEESE and had it published by someone
>> else!!!!
Per:
> I think that you're thinking about "The Big Sneeze", and I think the
> story is more like this:
>
> FM made this as a 32-page Donald story in the 70s and tried
> unsuccessfully to sell it to Gutenberghus (= Egmont) in Denmark. When
> he couldn't sell it he remade it as a story with new characters and it
> was published (with 30 pages) as "Kalle Klodrik i Det Store Nys" in
> Denmark in 1976.
Kalle Klodrik = Woody Woodpecker, I presume? Was it published that early as
in 1976?
> But evidently FM really wanted it as a Donald story
> and kept trying to sell it--a rejection letter from Western dated
> January 1980 is published in the German book _Disney von Innen_ in the
> chapter on FM. Then at last he managed to sell it to Oberon in
> Holland and it was published as a 31-page Donald story in 1980.
So 1 page is missing in the 'Dutch' version?
> I haven't seen it, but Harry has said that it's very good. The code is
> H 8001 in case anyone wants to suggest the story for Gladstone.
Well, I would! David: could you convince John Clark ore some other Gladstone
editor?
David:
>> One of the stories in that [Harvey Comics' Woody Woodpecker Giant
>> Size #1], "Danger at Sea," is by Milton and is the only Milton Woody
>> to see print here.
Per:
> Oops, we're off to non-Disney-stuff, but anyhow: What story is that?
> The story I have in Swedish called approximately "Danger at Sea" is 10
> pages and only a part of a loosely connected story which involving a
> sneezing dragon. Is this yet another variant of The Big Sneeze??
I have a 10-page episode of a "Woody Woodpecker" story, which matches
the Donald Duck story "the Big Sneeze" panel by panel. It appears to
be part of a 3-part series, with each episode its own title and page
numbering. I think this is what Per refers to. But was there another
version of the same story?
And one other thing, about Milton's drawing styles. The story H 8001
has a drawing style of 1979/1980, when Milton has been coached by
Jippes for a few years.
The Woodpecker story also has a drawing style of the early 80s.
So maybe Milton *redrew* the Duck story before selling it to Holland?
(Making it a 31-pager in stead of 32?)
And he made a Woodpecker-story of it *after* it was published as a Duck
story?
What do you think?
--Harry.
>> Reportedly, Fred Milton did some long Duck story for Oberon in the
>> '70s, then found out it was going to be published as a regular comic
>> rather than an album (or vice versa), so withdrew it, hid (or
>> destroyed?) the original art, then redid the story with his own
>> freshly-invented anthropomorphic GEESE and had it published by someone
>> else!!!!
Per:
> I think that you're thinking about "The Big Sneeze", and I think the
> story is more like this:
>
> FM made this as a 32-page Donald story in the 70s and tried
> unsuccessfully to sell it to Gutenberghus (= Egmont) in Denmark. When
> he couldn't sell it he remade it as a story with new characters and it
> was published (with 30 pages) as "Kalle Klodrik i Det Store Nys" in
> Denmark in 1976.
Kalle Klodrik = Woody Woodpecker, I presume? Was it published that early as
in 1976?
> But evidently FM really wanted it as a Donald story
> and kept trying to sell it--a rejection letter from Western dated
> January 1980 is published in the German book _Disney von Innen_ in the
> chapter on FM. Then at last he managed to sell it to Oberon in
> Holland and it was published as a 31-page Donald story in 1980.
So 1 page is missing in the 'Dutch' version?
> I haven't seen it, but Harry has said that it's very good. The code is
> H 8001 in case anyone wants to suggest the story for Gladstone.
Well, I would! David: could you convince John Clark ore some other Gladstone
editor?
David:
>> One of the stories in that [Harvey Comics' Woody Woodpecker Giant
>> Size #1], "Danger at Sea," is by Milton and is the only Milton Woody
>> to see print here.
Per:
> Oops, we're off to non-Disney-stuff, but anyhow: What story is that?
> The story I have in Swedish called approximately "Danger at Sea" is 10
> pages and only a part of a loosely connected story which involving a
> sneezing dragon. Is this yet another variant of The Big Sneeze??
I have a 10-page episode of a "Woody Woodpecker" story, which matches
the Donald Duck story "the Big Sneeze" panel by panel. It appears to
be part of a 3-part series, with each episode its own title and page
numbering. I think this is what Per refers to. But was there another
version of the same story?
And one other thing, about Milton's drawing styles. The story H 8001
has a drawing style of 1979/1980, when Milton has been coached by
Jippes for a few years.
The Woodpecker story also has a drawing style of the early 80s.
So maybe Milton *redrew* the Duck story before selling it to Holland?
(Making it a 31-pager in stead of 32?)
And he made a Woodpecker-story of it *after* it was published as a Duck
story?
What do you think?
--Harry.
Per Starback
Freddy Milton -- The Big Sneeze
Message 64 -
1993-06-21 at 15:15:42
Harry:
> Kalle Klodrik = Woody Woodpecker, I presume? Was it published that early as
> in 1976?
Nope, Kalle Klodrik was really a totally new character. (Woody
Woodpecker is S</o>ren Sp<ae>tte in Danish.) (By the way, Klodrik is
Cousin Fethry's name in Norwegian!)
Yes, 1976 it was (according to _Disney von Innen_).
So there are (at least) three versions of the story: with Donald, with
Kalle Klodrik and with Woody Woodpecker. Maybe there are two Donald
versions at that, as you say that the published version looks like
it's done in 1979/1980.
I have now searched for more info on The Big Sneeze, and in the Danish
fanzine Carl Barks & Co. #5 (edited (then) by Freddy Milton himself)
from 1976 two pages of The Big Sneeze (and a letter from Barks to
Milton commenting on the story) are reproduced. The caption for the
illustration says "by Freddy Milton (with some help from Daan
Jippes)". I have seen a page or at least a panel of the Kalle Klodrik
version somewhere too, but I can't find it now.
> So 1 page is missing in the 'Dutch' version?
I guess so. The info on 32 pages for the first version (and 30 for
the Klodrik version) is also from _Disney von Innen_.
> I have a 10-page episode of a "Woody Woodpecker" story, which matches
> the Donald Duck story "the Big Sneeze" panel by panel. It appears to
> be part of a 3-part series, with each episode its own title and page
> numbering.
When Milton's Woody stories have been published in Sweden they have
been coded FM1, FM2, etc. (FM for Freddy Milton of course.) and many
of them are more or less connected.
* FM-10, 1983, 11 pages, "Air mail"
Knothead and Splinter (the kids) are members of a very Woodchuck-like
carrier pidgeon movement and fail some test with their pidgeon
Wheezer as he helps another pidgeon instead. Meanwhile Woody sneezes
all the time and gets degraded at his work at the museum. (Hmm, where
have I seen those cubic stones before? :-) Anyway they discover that
the other pidgeon carried a message from a professor (Tron Dreyerdal).
(The two pages that I have reproduced from the first Donald version of
the story is from this part. It's almost the same, panel for panel,
but not always.)
* FM-11, 1983, 10 pages, "Dangerous Water"
Woody (still sneezing) and the kids go on a boat trip. They see a
dragon.
* FM-12, 1983, 12 pages, "Stranded on Kua-Kua"
They get to the island Kua-Kua and meet a very young Tron Dreyerdal.
There is a fountain of youth on the island. There are also potatoes
you get older from. And the dragon sneezes a lot: The Big Sneeze.
* FM-13, 1983, 13 pages, "Remedy for a Dragon"
They cure the dragon of her sneezing. (How's that for a short
summary? :-)
The four parts together are 46 pages.
Is everyone confused now?
--
Per
> Kalle Klodrik = Woody Woodpecker, I presume? Was it published that early as
> in 1976?
Nope, Kalle Klodrik was really a totally new character. (Woody
Woodpecker is S</o>ren Sp<ae>tte in Danish.) (By the way, Klodrik is
Cousin Fethry's name in Norwegian!)
Yes, 1976 it was (according to _Disney von Innen_).
So there are (at least) three versions of the story: with Donald, with
Kalle Klodrik and with Woody Woodpecker. Maybe there are two Donald
versions at that, as you say that the published version looks like
it's done in 1979/1980.
I have now searched for more info on The Big Sneeze, and in the Danish
fanzine Carl Barks & Co. #5 (edited (then) by Freddy Milton himself)
from 1976 two pages of The Big Sneeze (and a letter from Barks to
Milton commenting on the story) are reproduced. The caption for the
illustration says "by Freddy Milton (with some help from Daan
Jippes)". I have seen a page or at least a panel of the Kalle Klodrik
version somewhere too, but I can't find it now.
> So 1 page is missing in the 'Dutch' version?
I guess so. The info on 32 pages for the first version (and 30 for
the Klodrik version) is also from _Disney von Innen_.
> I have a 10-page episode of a "Woody Woodpecker" story, which matches
> the Donald Duck story "the Big Sneeze" panel by panel. It appears to
> be part of a 3-part series, with each episode its own title and page
> numbering.
When Milton's Woody stories have been published in Sweden they have
been coded FM1, FM2, etc. (FM for Freddy Milton of course.) and many
of them are more or less connected.
* FM-10, 1983, 11 pages, "Air mail"
Knothead and Splinter (the kids) are members of a very Woodchuck-like
carrier pidgeon movement and fail some test with their pidgeon
Wheezer as he helps another pidgeon instead. Meanwhile Woody sneezes
all the time and gets degraded at his work at the museum. (Hmm, where
have I seen those cubic stones before? :-) Anyway they discover that
the other pidgeon carried a message from a professor (Tron Dreyerdal).
(The two pages that I have reproduced from the first Donald version of
the story is from this part. It's almost the same, panel for panel,
but not always.)
* FM-11, 1983, 10 pages, "Dangerous Water"
Woody (still sneezing) and the kids go on a boat trip. They see a
dragon.
* FM-12, 1983, 12 pages, "Stranded on Kua-Kua"
They get to the island Kua-Kua and meet a very young Tron Dreyerdal.
There is a fountain of youth on the island. There are also potatoes
you get older from. And the dragon sneezes a lot: The Big Sneeze.
* FM-13, 1983, 13 pages, "Remedy for a Dragon"
They cure the dragon of her sneezing. (How's that for a short
summary? :-)
The four parts together are 46 pages.
Is everyone confused now?
--
Per
Per Starback
Indexes
Message 65 -
1993-06-21 at 15:29:20
Don Rosa:
> First off, do I see mention here of a need for an index to WDC&S? I
> indexed the ENTIRE contents of each issue of WDC&S from #1-400, all
> the way down to the text features, years ago in RBCC when I was comic
> fandom's answer guy. DON'T ask me to upload it!!!!!
Great, but I don't just want such an index to exist, I want to have
access to it. I don't have access to old issues of RBCC. (Besides,
as Harry already pointed out, it's more convenient with an on-line
index.)
> But I'm constantly hearing of people launching in-depth indexes to
> Disney comics even though they were all thoroughly indexed in the
> late 60s and early 70s ...
But there is so much more known nowadays! How many Disney artists
were known by name back in 1970? Barks, Gottfredson and Taliaferro,
but not many more. Now we even know who wrote many of the stories.
> ... (albeit in magazines that many current collectors are not
> familiar with).
Yes, I didn't know about the Disney index in RBCC. And it's true that
I don't know of any published Disney indexes from the early 70s or
earlier either. Before Becattini's Index last year the only thorough
index I know of was Horst Sch"oder's The Disney Funnies, but that was
never published ...
--
Per
> First off, do I see mention here of a need for an index to WDC&S? I
> indexed the ENTIRE contents of each issue of WDC&S from #1-400, all
> the way down to the text features, years ago in RBCC when I was comic
> fandom's answer guy. DON'T ask me to upload it!!!!!
Great, but I don't just want such an index to exist, I want to have
access to it. I don't have access to old issues of RBCC. (Besides,
as Harry already pointed out, it's more convenient with an on-line
index.)
> But I'm constantly hearing of people launching in-depth indexes to
> Disney comics even though they were all thoroughly indexed in the
> late 60s and early 70s ...
But there is so much more known nowadays! How many Disney artists
were known by name back in 1970? Barks, Gottfredson and Taliaferro,
but not many more. Now we even know who wrote many of the stories.
> ... (albeit in magazines that many current collectors are not
> familiar with).
Yes, I didn't know about the Disney index in RBCC. And it's true that
I don't know of any published Disney indexes from the early 70s or
earlier either. Before Becattini's Index last year the only thorough
index I know of was Horst Sch"oder's The Disney Funnies, but that was
never published ...
--
Per
Per Starback
Disney von Innen
Message 66 -
1993-06-21 at 15:47:06
I mentioned that book several times in my postings on "The Big
Sneeze", but didn't say anything more about it. I highly recommend
this book to anyone who reads German. It's _Disney von Innen_ by
Klaus Strzyz and Andreas C. Knigge (it says on the cover, but Knigge's
part of it is very small, or so I've heard anyway). It's printed in
Germany 1988 with ISBN 3 548 36551 5 and contains articles on and
interviews with Disney artists (both comics and film).
There are interviews with Carl Barks (from 1980), Tony Strobl, Jack
Bradbury, Bob Foster, Floyd Gottfredson, Paul Murry, Art Babbitt, Ward
Kimball, Del Connell, Dave Smith, Daan Jippes, Freddy Milton, Marco
Rota, Luciano Bottaro, Giorgio Cavazzano, Volker Reiche, Jan
Gulbransson, Ulrich Schr"oder, Erika Fuchs (German translator of
Disney comics) and Hans von Storch (German Donaldist).
Only a few of them have been published in English.
--
Per
Sneeze", but didn't say anything more about it. I highly recommend
this book to anyone who reads German. It's _Disney von Innen_ by
Klaus Strzyz and Andreas C. Knigge (it says on the cover, but Knigge's
part of it is very small, or so I've heard anyway). It's printed in
Germany 1988 with ISBN 3 548 36551 5 and contains articles on and
interviews with Disney artists (both comics and film).
There are interviews with Carl Barks (from 1980), Tony Strobl, Jack
Bradbury, Bob Foster, Floyd Gottfredson, Paul Murry, Art Babbitt, Ward
Kimball, Del Connell, Dave Smith, Daan Jippes, Freddy Milton, Marco
Rota, Luciano Bottaro, Giorgio Cavazzano, Volker Reiche, Jan
Gulbransson, Ulrich Schr"oder, Erika Fuchs (German translator of
Disney comics) and Hans von Storch (German Donaldist).
Only a few of them have been published in English.
--
Per
Don Rosa
Digest #45
Message 67 -
1993-06-21 at 16:04:34
COMMENT ON #4?:
I have an educated guess as to the fate of Ulrich Schroeder's $crooge story. Ulrich started doing that story for Gladstone when
Gladstone was returning the art to the owners of same, the artists. Later, Disney started screwing with Gladstone as part of the plot
to force them to give up their renewable license... that's when I was forced to quit, and when Ulrich probably declined to finish
his story (Ulrich works for Oberon where all artists are used to having all their art returned). When Disney took the license and
found Ulrich's story in the files, they wanted to use it... so Ulrich said SURE, just send the art back and I'll finish it up! Then
suddenly WHHOPS! I LOST it! Dang! (Or a Dutch equivalent.) This is a brilliant move on Ulrich's part and I applaud him long and loud!
Disney does not own the story and can't even CLAIM to own the art until Ulrich is paid for it -- so since he was never paid, he can
keep the art. Claiming it was lost is a good idea to prevent Disney from trying to BULLY him, as is their usual style.
I'm due to talk to Gladstone today... I'll ask if I'm not dead on the money.
Looks like I need to ask them to send me some COMICS, too! Just as with Disney, if I want to see one of my covers or stories, I need
to go out and hunt down and BUY my own copy! Nobody sends me ONE much less the 30 copies that are usually expected. Egmont usually
sends me at least ONE (which comes with a normal subscription each week).
I have an educated guess as to the fate of Ulrich Schroeder's $crooge story. Ulrich started doing that story for Gladstone when
Gladstone was returning the art to the owners of same, the artists. Later, Disney started screwing with Gladstone as part of the plot
to force them to give up their renewable license... that's when I was forced to quit, and when Ulrich probably declined to finish
his story (Ulrich works for Oberon where all artists are used to having all their art returned). When Disney took the license and
found Ulrich's story in the files, they wanted to use it... so Ulrich said SURE, just send the art back and I'll finish it up! Then
suddenly WHHOPS! I LOST it! Dang! (Or a Dutch equivalent.) This is a brilliant move on Ulrich's part and I applaud him long and loud!
Disney does not own the story and can't even CLAIM to own the art until Ulrich is paid for it -- so since he was never paid, he can
keep the art. Claiming it was lost is a good idea to prevent Disney from trying to BULLY him, as is their usual style.
I'm due to talk to Gladstone today... I'll ask if I'm not dead on the money.
Looks like I need to ask them to send me some COMICS, too! Just as with Disney, if I want to see one of my covers or stories, I need
to go out and hunt down and BUY my own copy! Nobody sends me ONE much less the 30 copies that are usually expected. Egmont usually
sends me at least ONE (which comes with a normal subscription each week).
Harry Fluks
Ulrich Schroeder
Message 68 -
1993-06-21 at 18:44:44
Don Rosa:
> so Ulrich said SURE, just send the art back and I'll finish it up! Then
> suddenly WHHOPS! I LOST it! Dang! (Or a Dutch equivalent.)
As far as I know, Ulrich is German. He inked some Barks covers for Holland
(one of them is published in the Carl Barks Library), but I haven't seen
any other work of him.
> This is a brilliant move on Ulrich's part and I applaud him long and loud!
> Disney does not own the story and can't even CLAIM to own the art until
> Ulrich is paid for it -- so since he was never paid, he can
> keep the art. Claiming it was lost is a good idea to prevent Disney from
> trying to BULLY him, as is their usual style.
I hope the artwork will show up! The half page in CBL looks very promising.
--Harry.
> so Ulrich said SURE, just send the art back and I'll finish it up! Then
> suddenly WHHOPS! I LOST it! Dang! (Or a Dutch equivalent.)
As far as I know, Ulrich is German. He inked some Barks covers for Holland
(one of them is published in the Carl Barks Library), but I haven't seen
any other work of him.
> This is a brilliant move on Ulrich's part and I applaud him long and loud!
> Disney does not own the story and can't even CLAIM to own the art until
> Ulrich is paid for it -- so since he was never paid, he can
> keep the art. Claiming it was lost is a good idea to prevent Disney from
> trying to BULLY him, as is their usual style.
I hope the artwork will show up! The half page in CBL looks very promising.
--Harry.
Steve Back Tel X 1783
Dragon story
Message 69 -
1993-06-21 at 18:58:13
Per Starback: Wrote
> * FM-10, 1983, 11 pages, "Air mail"
> Knothead and Splinter (the kids) are members of a very Woodchuck-like
> carrier pidgeon movement and fail some test with their pidgeon
> Wheezer as he helps another pidgeon instead. Meanwhile Woody sneezes
> all the time and gets degraded at his work at the museum. (Hmm, where
> have I seen those cubic stones before? :-) Anyway they discover that
> the other pidgeon carried a message from a professor (Tron Dreyerdal).
> (The two pages that I have reproduced from the first Donald version of
> the story is from this part. It's almost the same, panel for panel,
> but not always.)
>
> * FM-11, 1983, 10 pages, "Dangerous Water"
> Woody (still sneezing) and the kids go on a boat trip. They see a
> dragon.
>
> * FM-12, 1983, 12 pages, "Stranded on Kua-Kua"
> They get to the island Kua-Kua and meet a very young Tron Dreyerdal.
> There is a fountain of youth on the island. There are also potatoes
> you get older from. And the dragon sneezes a lot: The Big Sneeze.
>
> * FM-13, 1983, 13 pages, "Remedy for a Dragon"
> They cure the dragon of her sneezing. (How's that for a short
> summary? :-)
> --
This plot sounds just like Gnuff. A series serialized in the now defunct
_Critters_. This was just one of several stories about a family of dragons
who lived in a european city. The story was advertised as "Carl Barks
ducks with a dark side" The dark side being that dragons were a minority
group and were being generaly shuned. (In the first installment the main
character were moving into the city for the first time and had to rent
and entire apartment building, since no one wanted to live with dragons,
there was also 'something' wrong with the dragons letting anyone see they
had wings and could fly)
The plots above take place "later", after the Gnuff family had 'earned' a
little respect. I don't have any more direct information with me. I
belive back issues are stell available, I'm not sure of the publisher
right now though. (Ask for _Critters_ from local comic book store, if you
can find any books by the publisher there is usually a large adds page
for ordering back orders from any book in their line.)
Steven Back
sback at astro.ge.com
> * FM-10, 1983, 11 pages, "Air mail"
> Knothead and Splinter (the kids) are members of a very Woodchuck-like
> carrier pidgeon movement and fail some test with their pidgeon
> Wheezer as he helps another pidgeon instead. Meanwhile Woody sneezes
> all the time and gets degraded at his work at the museum. (Hmm, where
> have I seen those cubic stones before? :-) Anyway they discover that
> the other pidgeon carried a message from a professor (Tron Dreyerdal).
> (The two pages that I have reproduced from the first Donald version of
> the story is from this part. It's almost the same, panel for panel,
> but not always.)
>
> * FM-11, 1983, 10 pages, "Dangerous Water"
> Woody (still sneezing) and the kids go on a boat trip. They see a
> dragon.
>
> * FM-12, 1983, 12 pages, "Stranded on Kua-Kua"
> They get to the island Kua-Kua and meet a very young Tron Dreyerdal.
> There is a fountain of youth on the island. There are also potatoes
> you get older from. And the dragon sneezes a lot: The Big Sneeze.
>
> * FM-13, 1983, 13 pages, "Remedy for a Dragon"
> They cure the dragon of her sneezing. (How's that for a short
> summary? :-)
> --
This plot sounds just like Gnuff. A series serialized in the now defunct
_Critters_. This was just one of several stories about a family of dragons
who lived in a european city. The story was advertised as "Carl Barks
ducks with a dark side" The dark side being that dragons were a minority
group and were being generaly shuned. (In the first installment the main
character were moving into the city for the first time and had to rent
and entire apartment building, since no one wanted to live with dragons,
there was also 'something' wrong with the dragons letting anyone see they
had wings and could fly)
The plots above take place "later", after the Gnuff family had 'earned' a
little respect. I don't have any more direct information with me. I
belive back issues are stell available, I'm not sure of the publisher
right now though. (Ask for _Critters_ from local comic book store, if you
can find any books by the publisher there is usually a large adds page
for ordering back orders from any book in their line.)
Steven Back
sback at astro.ge.com
George Kesidis
Aladdin comics
Message 70 -
1993-06-21 at 20:30:47
Hello all,
I only recently became aware that Disney published some Aladdin comics
that were sequels to the cartoon. Were these any good?
-------------------------------------------------------------
George Kesidis kesidis at panther.uwaterloo.ca
"...And why do they call you the Dragon Lady?" -Daffy
I only recently became aware that Disney published some Aladdin comics
that were sequels to the cartoon. Were these any good?
-------------------------------------------------------------
George Kesidis kesidis at panther.uwaterloo.ca
"...And why do they call you the Dragon Lady?" -Daffy
Larry J. Gerstein
Fred Milton's woodpeckers
Message 71 -
1993-06-22 at 18:32:15
Dear Folks (especially Per),
I've just started going through the last few days' digests. I
haven't read them all, so this may be not the last item I send today.
Anyway, Per read my description of a Milton Woody story (the only to
see print here) which Harvey used as "Danger at Sea," a ten-pager involving a
sneezing dragon. "What story is that?" asks Per. Well, Per, you're right on
the button, as that's just the one Harvey printed. The translation was
pretty bad... it appears that their MGM and Lantz foreign comics come to them
with stilted scripts like the stuff I've been RE-dialoguing for Gladstone,
only Harvey leaves it just as it comes to them, of course.
The editor-in-chief of Harvey, Sid something-berg, (I've forgotten
just now), told me that the only way they can make ANY profit on their books
is only to have new covers done, but the inside has to be all reprint
material, so whether it's old or foreign, they have to use it JUST as it
comes. Hence the obviously cracked original plates for OG 9's Benny Burro in
Tom and Jerry 50th Anniv. Special... they obviously couldn't have anyone
retouch them.
With their resources, I think Harvey is REALLY the wrong company to
be doing MGM and Lantz characters. (They appear to have LOST Felix the Cat,
by the way.)
I'll be clocking back in in a little while.
Your friend,
David Gerstein
I've just started going through the last few days' digests. I
haven't read them all, so this may be not the last item I send today.
Anyway, Per read my description of a Milton Woody story (the only to
see print here) which Harvey used as "Danger at Sea," a ten-pager involving a
sneezing dragon. "What story is that?" asks Per. Well, Per, you're right on
the button, as that's just the one Harvey printed. The translation was
pretty bad... it appears that their MGM and Lantz foreign comics come to them
with stilted scripts like the stuff I've been RE-dialoguing for Gladstone,
only Harvey leaves it just as it comes to them, of course.
The editor-in-chief of Harvey, Sid something-berg, (I've forgotten
just now), told me that the only way they can make ANY profit on their books
is only to have new covers done, but the inside has to be all reprint
material, so whether it's old or foreign, they have to use it JUST as it
comes. Hence the obviously cracked original plates for OG 9's Benny Burro in
Tom and Jerry 50th Anniv. Special... they obviously couldn't have anyone
retouch them.
With their resources, I think Harvey is REALLY the wrong company to
be doing MGM and Lantz characters. (They appear to have LOST Felix the Cat,
by the way.)
I'll be clocking back in in a little while.
Your friend,
David Gerstein
Larry J. Gerstein
Another Big Sneeze (Gesundheit!)
Message 72 -
1993-06-22 at 18:58:30
Dear Folks,
I won't quote people here to make my letter too long, but here's what
we know.
1. "The Big Sneeze" was done with Gutenberghus in mind in the '70s.
When they wouldn't take it, Milton redrew it with Kalle Klodrik, his own
character (a goose!), and it was published as a 30-pager in 1976.
2. Milton did want to see the Donald version published, but no soap
from Western (1980). They preferred Jack Manning, evidently, who was then
their major duck artist and as far as I'm concerned was about the worst one I
have EVER seen.
3. Finally Oberon bought some version of the story in 1980 with the
ducks in it. It was published as a 31-pager in 1980. Since that version was
31 pages long, it was at least partly reworked, and perhaps completely
different, from the mid-'70s 32-page version.
4. Around this same time Milton did a version of the story with
Woody Woodpecker. According to Harry Fluks this may be more recent than the
31-page Duck version, as Milton's style is more mature. Part two of this
four-part story (FM-11) was printed by Harvey Comics in 1992 as "Danger at
Sea," completely disregarding that it was part of a much longer story.
Typical Harvey. That story *seemed* unfinished to me.
5. NEW INFORMATION HERE!!!!!!!! Someone indeed wrote in to
Gladstone about 1987 asking them to print the Oberon Duck version of "The Big
Sneeze." Gladstone got it, asked Milton for his permission to use it (given
the chaos the story had gone through) and was DENIED permission, since Milton
was doing the Gnuff version at the time, and told them not to print the
earlier one.
6. The Gnuff version appeared in Critters from Fantagraphics, which
is now defunct. I don't know when this was.
SO: In existence is one published Donald version and an earlier
unpublished one, one with Kalle Klodrik, one with Woody Woodpecker in 4 parts
at 36 pages (with part 2 in Harvey's WW Giant Size #1), and one with the
Gnuffs.
Since the Gnuff version is now printed and over with, seems to me
that Milton could hardly mind one of the Duck versions appearing from
Gladstone. I'll tell John Clark when I *can*... but he is hardly ever free
lately as he's been over deadline on a new Gladstone catalog for over 3
weeks, and then is travelling to Europe. My guess is that Oberon will be a
stop on his list, and I'll do my darndest to get the information through to
Mr. Clark before that!
Whew! (Or should I say: Ha-ha-ha-HAAAA-haaa!)
Now for King Scrooge the First and Ulrich Schroder: No one at Disney
knew about Ulrich Schroder's "King Scrooge" artwork until I asked Bob Foster
about it myself in 1991. He contacted Gladstone who told him that Schroder
destroyed the story. (Which must have been *finished*... as the four panels
in CBL 5 were the LAST four.) So if any finagling was done to keep Disney
from owning the tangible artwork to the story, it was done completely during
the Gladstone period. I assumed Disney must have known about it when I
contacted Bob about it in 1991, but I was dead wrong.
Well, I'll sign off for now, but maybe you'll hear from me AGAIN
before the day is done. There's just a goshawful lot of *stuff* going on in
the duck world these days!
Your friend,
David Gerstein
"So Detective Donald saves the day... with a *little* help from his
nephews!"
I won't quote people here to make my letter too long, but here's what
we know.
1. "The Big Sneeze" was done with Gutenberghus in mind in the '70s.
When they wouldn't take it, Milton redrew it with Kalle Klodrik, his own
character (a goose!), and it was published as a 30-pager in 1976.
2. Milton did want to see the Donald version published, but no soap
from Western (1980). They preferred Jack Manning, evidently, who was then
their major duck artist and as far as I'm concerned was about the worst one I
have EVER seen.
3. Finally Oberon bought some version of the story in 1980 with the
ducks in it. It was published as a 31-pager in 1980. Since that version was
31 pages long, it was at least partly reworked, and perhaps completely
different, from the mid-'70s 32-page version.
4. Around this same time Milton did a version of the story with
Woody Woodpecker. According to Harry Fluks this may be more recent than the
31-page Duck version, as Milton's style is more mature. Part two of this
four-part story (FM-11) was printed by Harvey Comics in 1992 as "Danger at
Sea," completely disregarding that it was part of a much longer story.
Typical Harvey. That story *seemed* unfinished to me.
5. NEW INFORMATION HERE!!!!!!!! Someone indeed wrote in to
Gladstone about 1987 asking them to print the Oberon Duck version of "The Big
Sneeze." Gladstone got it, asked Milton for his permission to use it (given
the chaos the story had gone through) and was DENIED permission, since Milton
was doing the Gnuff version at the time, and told them not to print the
earlier one.
6. The Gnuff version appeared in Critters from Fantagraphics, which
is now defunct. I don't know when this was.
SO: In existence is one published Donald version and an earlier
unpublished one, one with Kalle Klodrik, one with Woody Woodpecker in 4 parts
at 36 pages (with part 2 in Harvey's WW Giant Size #1), and one with the
Gnuffs.
Since the Gnuff version is now printed and over with, seems to me
that Milton could hardly mind one of the Duck versions appearing from
Gladstone. I'll tell John Clark when I *can*... but he is hardly ever free
lately as he's been over deadline on a new Gladstone catalog for over 3
weeks, and then is travelling to Europe. My guess is that Oberon will be a
stop on his list, and I'll do my darndest to get the information through to
Mr. Clark before that!
Whew! (Or should I say: Ha-ha-ha-HAAAA-haaa!)
Now for King Scrooge the First and Ulrich Schroder: No one at Disney
knew about Ulrich Schroder's "King Scrooge" artwork until I asked Bob Foster
about it myself in 1991. He contacted Gladstone who told him that Schroder
destroyed the story. (Which must have been *finished*... as the four panels
in CBL 5 were the LAST four.) So if any finagling was done to keep Disney
from owning the tangible artwork to the story, it was done completely during
the Gladstone period. I assumed Disney must have known about it when I
contacted Bob about it in 1991, but I was dead wrong.
Well, I'll sign off for now, but maybe you'll hear from me AGAIN
before the day is done. There's just a goshawful lot of *stuff* going on in
the duck world these days!
Your friend,
David Gerstein
"So Detective Donald saves the day... with a *little* help from his
nephews!"
Larry J. Gerstein
Harvey woodpeckers
Message 73 -
1993-06-22 at 19:56:37
And now it comes to me:
The editor at Harvey is SID JACOBSEN. Complain to *him* about
Milton's work, or lack of thereof, and particularly printing only part 2 of
the Woody "Big Sneeze." Now I remembered his last name.
Your friend,
David Gerstein
P. S. That's it from me today, folks.
The editor at Harvey is SID JACOBSEN. Complain to *him* about
Milton's work, or lack of thereof, and particularly printing only part 2 of
the Woody "Big Sneeze." Now I remembered his last name.
Your friend,
David Gerstein
P. S. That's it from me today, folks.
Giovanni S Capriglione
No subject
Message 74 -
1993-06-24 at 22:08:37
Hello,
I have benn trying to find a particualar comic book for a while
now and after searching half a dozen nearby stores am still out of luck.
The problem, of course, maybe that i don't know the issue #, year, or
title of this comic. So if someone can help me...
It is about 10 years old or so, it has Uncle scrooge, Donald Duck,
and Dewy, etc...in it. The plot goes something like this:
Scrooge's moneybin is being shaken. He goes underground to investigate
and finds thousands of these round colored creatures, that roll up into
balls and hit the columns underneath the earth. They are having a sort
of "competition" there. Scrooge and Co, go underground with a mineshaft.
If anyone can help me (issue #, company, etc?), or where i can purchase this
( i libe in RI), please post this answer to the newsgroup...
Thanks,
giovanni capriglione
I have benn trying to find a particualar comic book for a while
now and after searching half a dozen nearby stores am still out of luck.
The problem, of course, maybe that i don't know the issue #, year, or
title of this comic. So if someone can help me...
It is about 10 years old or so, it has Uncle scrooge, Donald Duck,
and Dewy, etc...in it. The plot goes something like this:
Scrooge's moneybin is being shaken. He goes underground to investigate
and finds thousands of these round colored creatures, that roll up into
balls and hit the columns underneath the earth. They are having a sort
of "competition" there. Scrooge and Co, go underground with a mineshaft.
If anyone can help me (issue #, company, etc?), or where i can purchase this
( i libe in RI), please post this answer to the newsgroup...
Thanks,
giovanni capriglione
Per Starback
Land Beneath the Ground
Message 75 -
1993-06-24 at 23:59:22
Giovanni S Capriglione:
> I have benn trying to find a particualar comic book for a while (...)
The comic you're after is Land Beneath the Ground, written and drawn
by Carl Barks. It was originally published in Uncle Scrooge #13 in
1956. It has been reprinted in Uncle Scrooge #109 (1973), maybe that's
where you've seen it before?
The easiest way find it now is probably in Gladstone Comic Album #6.
By the way, the people down there are terries and fermies.
> (...) please post this answer to the newsgroup...
But... You're not a member of this group! I have sent this to you
*and* to the list. Do you wish to become a member?
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"People that roll around like balled-up armadillos
and talk like movie cowboys!"
> I have benn trying to find a particualar comic book for a while (...)
The comic you're after is Land Beneath the Ground, written and drawn
by Carl Barks. It was originally published in Uncle Scrooge #13 in
1956. It has been reprinted in Uncle Scrooge #109 (1973), maybe that's
where you've seen it before?
The easiest way find it now is probably in Gladstone Comic Album #6.
By the way, the people down there are terries and fermies.
> (...) please post this answer to the newsgroup...
But... You're not a member of this group! I have sent this to you
*and* to the list. Do you wish to become a member?
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"People that roll around like balled-up armadillos
and talk like movie cowboys!"