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Olivier
Hi everyone !

- Olaf -

>>>> translation. The Norwegian translation of these lyrics contains some
lines
>>>> with such semi-erotic content that it seems VERY unlikely to me that
all
>>>> the lines in the Norwegian lyrics came from the head of the translator
>>>> based on the lines I quote above.

A while ago I uploaded a recording of "Lydia" on my site:
http://bobcat74.free.fr/dr/drmusic/drmsc001.htm

Surprisingly, the Norwegian edition's lyrics aren't in there, though they
seemed familiar.
Well, it does feature "She has eyes that men adore so and here torso even
more so".
There's also "For a dime you can see Kentucy or Paris or Washington crossing
the Delaware", but no "Sugarloaf Mountain" nor Napoleon.
http://www.whyaduck.com/info/movies/scenes/lydia.htm has the transcription
of the song you'll hear on my site-- unfortunately, I had lost the source
of the mp3 file by the time I included it.
http://members.tripod.com/Cleo256/marx/lydia.html also has the lyrics, with
the introduction, and a wav file.

I couldn't find "For five she'll show you Sugarloaf Mountain" through
Google.

It may be that were several versions of the songs, which Groucho may have
changed as inspiration struck him, so that there would be a stage version
and a recorded version, and maybe yet another one.
(The page above credits the song to E.Y. Harburg & Harold Arlen, but Groucho
may have changed it at some point all the same-- or the authors themselves,
for that matter)

The Norwegian translaotr / editor might then have searched for the lyrics,
found one of these versions, and deemed it funnier than the lines quoted.

Or maybe Don gave the lyrics he had for the full song, and let each editor
pick the lines he preferred, the sole condition being that the running gag
of the song be kept.

I'm curious to know the answer.
In any case, the song is great, and the story's gag is hilarious when you
know it and imagine Donald singing it.

Olivier
ZeldasTriforce
Hi all! :)

Here are the previews for Disney comics that will be released in March from
Previews Volume XVI #1:

Gemstone:

Donald Duck Adventures #17 --- Donald Duck in "The Search for Bigfoot," by
Terry Laban and Flemming Andersen, leads this issue, followed by Mickey Mouse in
"Hoopla" by Pat and Carol McGreal and Jose Antonio Gonzalez, and "The Bathtub
on the Edge of Forever" by Michael T. Gilbert (of Mr. Monster fame) and
Flemming Andersen. SC, 128 pages, FC $7.95

Donald Duck and Friends #338 --- In Carl Barks' classic ten-pager, "The
Easter Election," Donald squares off against Gladstone's luck to try to win the
title of Grand Marshal in the Duckburg Easter Parade. Plus, "Guru Goofy" by Sarah
Kinney and Cesar Feroli, and "Master of Mice" (starring Donald) by Gorm
Transgaard and Vicar round out the book. 32pages, FC $2.95

Mickey Mouse and Friends #287 --- Bill Wright's classic story from Mickey
Mouse Four Color 194 -- "The World Under The Sea" -- is featured in this issue,
accompanied by the original cover, restored by Rick Keene. Plus, a Donald
short, "Hat Chasing," by Jippes and Nadorp, and a Mickey short, "For the Birds," by
Kinney and Rodriques, round out the book. 7x10, 32 pages, FC $2.95

Uncle Scrooge #352 --- Scrooge, Donald, and the kids take on Magica DeSpell
and the Beagle Boys in the Carl Barks classic, "Isle of Golden Geese," which is
accompanied by Barks' original cover. "Say Uncle" by Jensen/Manrique, "The
Great Egg Hunt" by Kinney/Hubbard, "Psycho" by Renard/Avenell/Branca, and "The
Bunny Song" by Transgaard/Vicar round out this issue. SC, 64 pages, FC $6.95

Walt Disney's Comics and Stories #667 --- A new William Van Horn story,
"Taking Things Litterly," leads off this issue, followed by "The Imp and I," a new
Mickey tale by the McGreals and Feroli, and stories featuring Daisy, Li'l Bad
Wolf and Scamp. Then, Donald is a race car driver in "Gadabout Gadget," part
two of the multi-part Formula One series. SC, 7x10, 64 pages, FC $6.95

Slave Labor Graphics:

Haunted Mansion #3 --- Continuing the exploration of everyone's favorite
Disney attraction, in this issue the "Mystery of The Manse" story continues with
William Gracey arriving in New Orleans and buying some property to build his
dream home. There will be a story about the caretaker's dog by Chris Reilly and
Crab Scrambly. 24 pages, B&W. $2.95

Tokyopop:

Kingdom Hearts Volume 3 --- Monstro the Whale swallows Sora and crew,
plunging the world of Kingdom Hearts into an underwater adventure! There Sora lends
Geppetto and Pinocchio a helping hand to fend off the Heartless. Our heroes
then dive even deeper under the sea to face Ursula the Sea Witch. But Sora and
Riku better surface fast because they have to rescue Kairi from Captain Hook!
When it comes to dealing with the Heartless, let your conscience be your guide,
and don't forget the pixie dust! 5x7 7/16, 144 pages, $5.99

Derek Smith
Gary Leach
> It may be that were several versions of the songs, which Groucho
> may have
> changed as inspiration struck him, so that there would be a stage
> version
> and a recorded version, and maybe yet another one.

Along with this, the Marx Brothers films - as with most all Hollywood
product - were subtitled or overdubbed for release into various
overseas (that is, non-US) markets. These, of course, required
translations of dialogue and song lyrics, a job usually handled by
the overseas distributors, which knew the specific needs - and
restrictions - of their markets. This has resulted in all kinds of
variations to dialogue, song lyrics, and even plot lines.

Gary
David Gerstein
Hey all,

> I was wondering if anyone here has any knowledge about whether the
> lyrics of "Lydia the tattooed lady" in Don Rosa's story "The
> Treasury of Croesus" have been censored in the American publication?

Yes, they were censored. The Disney censor at the time
considered most of the song too rude to be quoted. In Don's original,
more of the lyrics were used than what Gladstone published (and there
was less repetition, too).

> Walt Disney's Comics and Stories #667 --- A new William Van Horn
> story, "Taking Things Litterly," leads off this issue, followed by
> "The Imp and I," a new Mickey tale by the McGreals and Feroli, and
> stories featuring Daisy, Li'l Bad Wolf and Scamp. Then, Donald is a
> race car driver in "Gadabout Gadget," part two of the multi-part
> Formula One series. SC, 7x10, 64 pages, FC $6.95

Readers should be aware that since the time we wrote this
solicitation, "The Imp and I" and the Daisy story have been dropped
from the issue; Daisy was rescheduled in issue 668, and "Imp" will
come later on.
Replacing the two stories is a long Floyd Gottfredson Mickey
adventure, "Pflip's Strange Power" from 1948, in its first-ever
American reprint. Complete in this issue... don't miss it!

David
Poul Spærhage Frøkjær
David Gerstein wrote:
>Replacing the two stories is a long Floyd Gottfredson Mickey adventure, "Pflip's Strange Power" from 1948, in its first-ever American reprint. Complete in this issue... don't miss it!<
Which means that Gladstone can now print daily strip material in their books???
/Poul Frokjar, Denmark
David Gerstein
Poul,

> Which means that Gladstone can now print daily strip material in
> their books???

I think you mean Gemstone, but yes, that's right.

Best, David
Dag Lindgren
I have started a new forum about Donald Duck!
http://kalleanka.tk/ or http://kalleanka.webpal.info/
Poul Spærhage Frøkjær
I wrote:
>> Which means that Gladstone can now print daily strip material in their
>> books???

David wrote:
>I think you mean Gemstone, but yes, that's right.

Woops -thats right. Sorry. Is it just me that have not read my Disney mail well enough, lately or is it not correct that this a new thing?

Anyway: it sure opens up for some nice possibilities, I think! I am looking much forward to see the results. And now that I am here: Please bring back: 'the year that was' (Wasn't that the name?). That was always one of the highlights in the Gladstone late WDC&S IMO.

'Best

Poul
ZeldasTriforce
Hi all!

Here are the previews for the Disney comics coming out in April 2006 from
Previews Volume XVI #2:

Donald Duck and Friends #339 --- Carl Barks classic Donald Duck Adventure,
"In Ancient Persia," is the featured attraction in this month's issue, together
with a cover illustarting the tale by Dutch master Daan Jippes (Note that this
may be a mistake as the cover shown advertises/illustrates Carl Barks' The
Easter Election, not In Ancient Persia). A Beagle Boys short story, "Payback,"
by Pat and Shelly Block and Maria Nunez, round out this spectacular edition. 32
pages, FC $2.95

Mickey Mouse Adventures #9 --- Fan favorites Byron Erickson and Massimo
Fecchi bring us "Fatal Distraction," in which Mickey intervenes in a crime
competition between Pegleg Pete and... Pegleg Pete?! In Dave Rawson's "Soap Dope,"
Donald tries his hand at starring in soap operas, and in Andreas Pihl's "Ticket
to Bong," Pete struggles to reform while on an African treasure hunt. SC, 7x10,
128 pages, FC $7.95

Mickey Mouse and Friends #288 --- Donald D. Markstein and Fabrizio Pedrocchi
team up to bring you the month's two-part Mickey adventure, "The Power of the
Gods." And Pat and Carol McGreal and Vicar join forces once again on the much
anticipated sequel to their "Battle Beasties" story, "Battle for the Battle
Beasties." 32 pages, FC $2.95

Uncle Scrooge #353 --- Scrooge, Donald and the kids track down a rare
painting in the 44-page German epic, "The Great Paint Robbery." Then Gyro "Builds a
Better House" in the Carl Barks classic of the same name; and Jeff Hamill and
Vicar bring us a modern Scrooge adventure in "Tutu Traumatic." SC, 7x10, 64
pages, FC $6.95

Walt Disney's Comics and Stories #668 --- "Duck in Luck," a 10-page Donald
Duck story by Daan Jippes, leads this issue, followed by Mickey Mouse in "The
Robot Wrestling League," by Donald D. Markstein and Rodriques; a Carl Barks
Daisy story; a Romano Scarpa L'il Bad Wolf story; and "Moonstruck," part three of
our Formula One series. SC, 7x10, 64 pages, FC $6.95

Slave Labor Graphics:

Tron: The Ghost in the Machine #1 --- Inspired by Tron, Disney's
groundbreaking science-fiction motion picture classic, Tron #1 takes place in present day,
over two decades after the events of the film. Jet Bradley, son of the
original Tron programmer Alan Bradley, has recently escaped the computer world. But
his experiences within cyberspace have left him emotionally scarred -- vivid
nightmares plague him, and he's become paranoid and unstable. He shuns
technology wherever possible, leaving him effectively crippled in the modern world.
And now something within the computer world wants him back. Exploring the
fast-paced action from the hit film and recent videogame, plus the impact of
experiencing the cyberworld on the human psyche, this series starts a thrilling new
chapter in the Tron saga! 24 pages, FC $3.50

Derek Smith
Francesco Spreafico
ZeldasTriforce at aol.com wrote:

>> Walt Disney's Comics and Stories #668 --- "Duck in Luck," a 10-page
>> Donald
>> Duck story by Daan Jippes, leads this issue, followed by Mickey
>> Mouse in "The
>> Robot Wrestling League," by Donald D. Markstein and Rodriques; a
>> Carl Barks
>> Daisy story; a Romano Scarpa L'il Bad Wolf story; and "Moonstruck,"
>> part three of
>> our Formula One series. SC, 7x10, 64 pages, FC $6.95

A Romano Scarpa Li'l Bad Wold story? Scarpa did only one LW story, "The
Beauty Contest" (Not the real title, nobody knows the real title)... is
this that?

Francesco
Travis Seitler
We're calling it "Big, Bad Beauty Contest," but that's the one! =)

--Travis Seitler

On 2/24/06, Francesco Spreafico <frspreaf at tin.it> wrote:

> A Romano Scarpa Li'l Bad Wold story? Scarpa did only one LW story, "The
> Beauty Contest" (Not the real title, nobody knows the real title)... is
> this that?
>
> Francesco

> ZeldasTriforce at aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Walt Disney's Comics and Stories #668 --- "Duck in Luck," a 10-page
> > Donald Duck story by Daan Jippes, leads this issue, followed by Mickey Mouse
> > in "The Robot Wrestling League," by Donald D. Markstein and Rodriques; a
> > Carl Barks Daisy story; a Romano Scarpa L'il Bad Wolf story; and
> > "Moonstruck," part three of our Formula One series. SC, 7x10, 64 pages,
> > FC $6.95
>
>
Niels Houlberg Hansen
Hello everyone

Does anybody know whether the version of "Mickey's Inferno" that will appear
in Walt Disney's comics & Stories #666 is complete or abridged? - Or is it
going to continue in #667?

Kind regards
Niels
Ole Damgaard
To whom it might concern:

Every once in a while, when I look up an italian story using the coa search
engine, an additional comment appears in a story index.
Sadly, these comments are usually written in italian.
A truly beautyful language, but unfortunately it can be hard to understand
for the average uneducated fool... (me)
Is there any chance they might be translated into, say, english, at some
point?
It would be very nice to be able to read exactly what it says, instead of
just relying on my usual combination of a dictionary and a little guesswork.
:-)

/ The Ignorant
(ole)

*new email adress: ole at disneycomics.dk
(previous adresses will be shut down in a couple of months)
Ole Damgaard
--warning: slightly off-topic.--

Following Disneys bizarre a-sports-commentator-for-a-lucky-rabbit-trade,
Harry McCracken has dug up a Big Little Book featuring a gun-carrrying
Oswald the Lucky Rabbit - and Carl Laemmle, a dude named Daring Dan and
other notabilities.

quote: "The whole thing reads and looks as if it were put together by a
demented fifth-grade student. (And it leaves you newly appreciative of the
quality control imposed by Disney on side projects in the 1930s--Floyd
Gottfredson this guy is not.)" /quote

the harry-go-round:
http://www.harrymccracken.com/blog/archives/2006/02/the_secret_orig.html

/ole

*new email adress: ole at disneycomics.dk
(previous adresses will be shut down in a couple of months)
David Gerstein
Hey all,

> Donald Duck and Friends #339 --- Carl Barks classic Donald Duck
> Adventure, "In Ancient Persia," is the featured attraction in this
> month's issue, together with a cover illustarting the tale by Dutch
> master Daan Jippes (Note that this may be a mistake as the cover
> shown advertises/illustrates Carl Barks' The Easter Election, not
> In Ancient Persia).

The cover shown in Previews is the wrong one. The real cover to
DDF 339 is this drawing by? yes, Jippes:
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php/x/HC+BV++29

> Does anybody know whether the version of "Mickey's Inferno" that
> will appear in Walt Disney's comics & Stories #666 is complete or
> abridged? - Or is it going to continue in #667?

WDC 666 uses a 37-page version of "Inferno" from various 1990s
Italian albums, so it's all in this one issue? just remounted to
standard comic book size, with more panels per page than was
originally the case. It's only very slightly abridged (missing is a
short sequence set in Hades' barber shop; originally, a rather
critical panel of plot exposition was also deleted, but we restored
that).
For a number of reasons, we didn't want to spread this story
over two issues. Of course, we still have the option of publishing
another edition, in the original aspect ratio, later on.

Best, David
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