I have now read the story "Mickey's Inferno" in Gemstone's WDC 666.
To my surprise, it was quite enjoyable to read!
Here are some loose remarks.
- Canto 13 is missing! Superstition? 8-)
(In the original, canto 13 is mentioned in the panel previous to canto
14, where it says "Keep off the grass - it bites!")
- It's a weird story, typical Italian, but I like the meta-remarks like
"Now answer the questions I ask ya in the verse below!" - "Will do... in
the verses after that!"
(These are also in the original Italian.)
- Even when they wander through hell itself, American political
correctness is still active: Mickey says "where the HECK are we?" 8-)
- Gerstein couldn't resist writing: "Comic starts I know not - comic
EDITORS I WHIP!" 8-)
- All the verses are written on bright yellow captures. In the original,
the text was part of the panel and has the same background colour. Also,
some of the artwork was removed because of this. I (slightly) prefer the
Italian colouring.
- In the original, Dopey spoke some words. In the Gemstone version, this
was "corrected" (Dopey can't speak) in a very funny way! The text
balloons now point below the panels, and the text says that it's
actually Bashful who speaks, while Dopey is only miming.
- All in all, David must have a helluva job (pun intended) making these
verses rhyme - more or less. The result is beautiful!
--Harry.
(And today is 3-13, supposedly Donald's birthday...)
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H.W.Fluks
Mickey's inferno
Message 31 -
2006-03-13 at 18:25:33
H.W.Fluks
Athens etc
Message 32 -
2006-03-13 at 18:37:00
Don M wrote:
> "Athens" is plural? I never heard that one before.
And so are Brussels and Bruges, technically. (Even when the Dutch words
for the cities, "Brussel" and "Brugge", are singular.)
I'm not sure if the French and English use Bruxelles/Brussels and Bruges
as plural forms in their languages.
--Harry.
> "Athens" is plural? I never heard that one before.
And so are Brussels and Bruges, technically. (Even when the Dutch words
for the cities, "Brussel" and "Brugge", are singular.)
I'm not sure if the French and English use Bruxelles/Brussels and Bruges
as plural forms in their languages.
--Harry.
David Gerstein
Mickey's inferno
Message 33 -
2006-03-13 at 21:00:45
Harry,
> - Canto 13 is missing! Superstition? 8-)
No... a letterer's error that we didn't catch!
> - All the verses are written on bright yellow captures.
Uh, you mean "captions," right? (-:
> In the original, Dopey spoke some words. In the Gemstone version, this
> was "corrected" (Dopey can't speak)
We made this alteration on Disney's behalf. It would have been a
lot easier to leave Dopey speaking...
> - All in all, David must have a helluva job (pun intended) making
> these
> verses rhyme - more or less. The result is beautiful!
Thanks! But let's give credit where credit is due: an equal
amount of effort was expended by Dwight Decker in developing the
initial prose translation from Italian. The "Inferno" was a
terrifically complicated story, and surely no easy job. Were it not
for him, we'd never have this great end result.
Best, David
> - Canto 13 is missing! Superstition? 8-)
No... a letterer's error that we didn't catch!
> - All the verses are written on bright yellow captures.
Uh, you mean "captions," right? (-:
> In the original, Dopey spoke some words. In the Gemstone version, this
> was "corrected" (Dopey can't speak)
We made this alteration on Disney's behalf. It would have been a
lot easier to leave Dopey speaking...
> - All in all, David must have a helluva job (pun intended) making
> these
> verses rhyme - more or less. The result is beautiful!
Thanks! But let's give credit where credit is due: an equal
amount of effort was expended by Dwight Decker in developing the
initial prose translation from Italian. The "Inferno" was a
terrifically complicated story, and surely no easy job. Were it not
for him, we'd never have this great end result.
Best, David
H.W.Fluks
Mickey's inferno
Message 34 -
2006-03-13 at 21:28:20
David:
> > In the original, Dopey spoke some words. In the Gemstone
> > version, this was "corrected" (Dopey can't speak)
>
> We made this alteration on Disney's behalf. It would
> have been a lot easier to leave Dopey speaking...
Maybe, but this is much funnier!
--Harry.
> > In the original, Dopey spoke some words. In the Gemstone
> > version, this was "corrected" (Dopey can't speak)
>
> We made this alteration on Disney's behalf. It would
> have been a lot easier to leave Dopey speaking...
Maybe, but this is much funnier!
--Harry.
KUR
Mickey's inferno
Message 35 -
2006-03-14 at 13:50:06
> We made this alteration on Disney's behalf. It would have been a lot
> easier to leave Dopey speaking...
Come on! Dopey theat can talk? It just give me the creeps... ;-)
Seriusly, in orginal Disney movie Dopey was mute. Making him a talking Dwarf
would ruin his character... Same go's for Diegon the Cat who was mute in
the "Pinochio", and as far I remeber he get to speak some word's in orginal
"Mickey Inferno" as well....
Yours
Maciek
> easier to leave Dopey speaking...
Come on! Dopey theat can talk? It just give me the creeps... ;-)
Seriusly, in orginal Disney movie Dopey was mute. Making him a talking Dwarf
would ruin his character... Same go's for Diegon the Cat who was mute in
the "Pinochio", and as far I remeber he get to speak some word's in orginal
"Mickey Inferno" as well....
Yours
Maciek
Leo Schulte
DCML Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12
Message 36 -
2006-03-14 at 14:40:20
Greetings!
I wrote earlier:
I also ascribe to the "s-apostrophe" rather than the "s-apostrophe-s"
rule, which seems illogical, and is, because Americans at least will
ad an extra "s" as in Barkses stories when they pronounce the
possessive of Barks. Still, I have never liked the way it looks!
And so, even though the sound is there, I will not write an extra
gentive "s" for a word ending in -s.
Illogical, but that's English!
Mr. Markstein wrote:
No it isn't. Not correct English, anyway. Tell me, do you also "ascribe"
(look it up) to the practice of using an apostrophe to form plurals?
That, too, is a popular but grossly incorrect way of dealing with English
nouns.
Ascribe has been looked up.
If you re-read what I wrote, I agree with you! I just do not like the
way it looks!
--
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I wrote earlier:
I also ascribe to the "s-apostrophe" rather than the "s-apostrophe-s"
rule, which seems illogical, and is, because Americans at least will
ad an extra "s" as in Barkses stories when they pronounce the
possessive of Barks. Still, I have never liked the way it looks!
And so, even though the sound is there, I will not write an extra
gentive "s" for a word ending in -s.
Illogical, but that's English!
Mr. Markstein wrote:
No it isn't. Not correct English, anyway. Tell me, do you also "ascribe"
(look it up) to the practice of using an apostrophe to form plurals?
That, too, is a popular but grossly incorrect way of dealing with English
nouns.
Ascribe has been looked up.
If you re-read what I wrote, I agree with you! I just do not like the
way it looks!
--
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Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.mail.com/
Gary Leach
ADPC
Message 37 -
2006-03-14 at 17:42:57
Harry,
> - Even when they wander through hell itself, American political
> correctness is still active: Mickey says "where the HECK are we?" 8-)
American Disney political correctness, to be precise ;-)
Gary
> - Even when they wander through hell itself, American political
> correctness is still active: Mickey says "where the HECK are we?" 8-)
American Disney political correctness, to be precise ;-)
Gary
David Gerstein
Mickey's inferno
Message 38 -
2006-03-15 at 06:15:12
Hey Maciek,
> Seriusly, in orginal Disney movie Dopey was mute. Making him a
> talking Dwarf
> would ruin his character... Same go's for Diegon the Cat who was
> mute in
> the "Pinochio", and as far I remeber he get to speak some word's in
> orginal
> "Mickey Inferno" as well....
There's precedent for Gideon speaking in one or two old American
comics, so neither we nor Disney objected to his speaking a little in
the "Inferno." So... to show that he agrees with Honest John, Gideon
says "Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!" Otherwise, all he does in our version is
hiccup, as he did in the film.
(Mel Blanc provided those hiccups, so you can imagine the "Yeah!
Yeah! Yeah!" sounding like one of Blanc's "dumb" characters might
have pronounced it...)
Dumbo speaks more extensively in "Mickey's Inferno," but there's
plenty of precedent for this, as Dumbo is quite often a speaking
character in the comics...
Best, David
> Seriusly, in orginal Disney movie Dopey was mute. Making him a
> talking Dwarf
> would ruin his character... Same go's for Diegon the Cat who was
> mute in
> the "Pinochio", and as far I remeber he get to speak some word's in
> orginal
> "Mickey Inferno" as well....
There's precedent for Gideon speaking in one or two old American
comics, so neither we nor Disney objected to his speaking a little in
the "Inferno." So... to show that he agrees with Honest John, Gideon
says "Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!" Otherwise, all he does in our version is
hiccup, as he did in the film.
(Mel Blanc provided those hiccups, so you can imagine the "Yeah!
Yeah! Yeah!" sounding like one of Blanc's "dumb" characters might
have pronounced it...)
Dumbo speaks more extensively in "Mickey's Inferno," but there's
plenty of precedent for this, as Dumbo is quite often a speaking
character in the comics...
Best, David
Donald D. Markstein
DCML Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12
Message 39 -
2006-03-16 at 07:19:11
I stand corrected on "Athens" -- etymologically, at least. But the fact
that there is no single "Athen" construction in English indicates that
etymology is ALL it is. And since English is what we're discussing here,
Athens, while it may have once been plural in the language it came from,
is strictly a singular noun in this one. (And it's not the first
singular English noun that was once plural in another language. "Agenda"
hasn't been plural in English in a very long time, and "data" is almost
never heard that way. And I believe I've already acknowledged that
"media" is heading in that direction, tho it still has a long way to go.)
Anyway, you still can't form the possessive case in English by simply
adding an apostrophe to a noun that already ends in S, unless it's a
plural one.
Quack, Don
that there is no single "Athen" construction in English indicates that
etymology is ALL it is. And since English is what we're discussing here,
Athens, while it may have once been plural in the language it came from,
is strictly a singular noun in this one. (And it's not the first
singular English noun that was once plural in another language. "Agenda"
hasn't been plural in English in a very long time, and "data" is almost
never heard that way. And I believe I've already acknowledged that
"media" is heading in that direction, tho it still has a long way to go.)
Anyway, you still can't form the possessive case in English by simply
adding an apostrophe to a noun that already ends in S, unless it's a
plural one.
Quack, Don
Kriton Kyrimis
DCML Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12
Message 40 -
2006-03-16 at 09:57:11
> I stand corrected on "Athens" -- etymologically, at least. But the fact
> that there is no single "Athen" construction in English
I agree with you, in the sense that I'd say that Athens is, say, a city,
rather than Athens are a city. Just to be pedantic, however, let me point out
that, in Greek, the singular of Athenai is Athene, the name of the goddess
after whom the city was named, as it appears in Homer. Thus, one might argue
that the singular of Athens in English is Athena, the English version of the
goddess' name. Of course, as it does in Greek, it would refer to something
completely different.
> Anyway, you still can't form the possessive case in English by simply
> adding an apostrophe to a noun that already ends in S, unless it's a
> plural one.
After having read the reference that I quoted previously, I wouldn't be so
absolute. What you say still seems to me to be a good practice, possibly
because this is what I was taught way, way back, but, apparently, things have
changed in the English language in the last ninety years or so. ("The Elements
of Style" is an old book!)
Kriton.
-----
"You know, I think it's just a matter of putting two and two together to make
three..."
-----
> that there is no single "Athen" construction in English
I agree with you, in the sense that I'd say that Athens is, say, a city,
rather than Athens are a city. Just to be pedantic, however, let me point out
that, in Greek, the singular of Athenai is Athene, the name of the goddess
after whom the city was named, as it appears in Homer. Thus, one might argue
that the singular of Athens in English is Athena, the English version of the
goddess' name. Of course, as it does in Greek, it would refer to something
completely different.
> Anyway, you still can't form the possessive case in English by simply
> adding an apostrophe to a noun that already ends in S, unless it's a
> plural one.
After having read the reference that I quoted previously, I wouldn't be so
absolute. What you say still seems to me to be a good practice, possibly
because this is what I was taught way, way back, but, apparently, things have
changed in the English language in the last ninety years or so. ("The Elements
of Style" is an old book!)
Kriton.
-----
"You know, I think it's just a matter of putting two and two together to make
three..."
-----
Asaramelli
Project Tio Patinhas 500 March 2007
Message 41 -
2006-03-17 at 22:44:35
Next year, March of 2007, we are going to receive the Comics
Tio Patinhas 500 (Uncle Scrooge 500? edition )
The ?Revista Tio Patinhas? was edited for the first time in December of
1963, is a brazilian loved comics, and have breath leg to face the
challenges and chances the future.
The arrival of edition 500 is a very important event that cannot pass
unobserved.
To know this especial moment is needed not only for the brazilians, but all
the fans around of the world .
In the last months we?ve been receiving only 4 histories monthly, always
histories already published in the europe more than 6 months, and in some
cases years ago.
Therefore we are suggesting our local publisher to develop for the 500?
edition a project to produce an edition really special .
We are sending diverse suggestions so that this edition becomes formidable.
If you have a suggestion, send it directly (in english) for the
?attendance to the reader dept? in the following adress:
disney.abril at atleitor.com.br
Or in case you prefer also send it for the brazilian fans, sends for my
email
asaramelli at ig.com.br
I translate your message and publish in the brazilian discussion list in
Orkut.
Thanks in advance
Alexandre Saramelli
S?o Paulo ? Brasil
Tio Patinhas 500 (Uncle Scrooge 500? edition )
The ?Revista Tio Patinhas? was edited for the first time in December of
1963, is a brazilian loved comics, and have breath leg to face the
challenges and chances the future.
The arrival of edition 500 is a very important event that cannot pass
unobserved.
To know this especial moment is needed not only for the brazilians, but all
the fans around of the world .
In the last months we?ve been receiving only 4 histories monthly, always
histories already published in the europe more than 6 months, and in some
cases years ago.
Therefore we are suggesting our local publisher to develop for the 500?
edition a project to produce an edition really special .
We are sending diverse suggestions so that this edition becomes formidable.
If you have a suggestion, send it directly (in english) for the
?attendance to the reader dept? in the following adress:
disney.abril at atleitor.com.br
Or in case you prefer also send it for the brazilian fans, sends for my
asaramelli at ig.com.br
I translate your message and publish in the brazilian discussion list in
Orkut.
Thanks in advance
Alexandre Saramelli
S?o Paulo ? Brasil
No subject
Message 42 -
2006-03-23 at 16:47:28
> I've put a scan of that on http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis/pics/doom.jpg
ROTFL! This is really funny :-)
> Next month they'll be publishing Don's "The Vigilante of Pizen Bluff",
> and the issue will be 24 pages larger (and 200 drs. more expensive) to
> accomodate the first installment of Sergio Aragones and Mark Evanier's
> "Space Circus", which I still don't understand why they're publishing
> in this particular magazine.
That's Dark Horse stuff... I don't understand it either.
--
Francesco
ROTFL! This is really funny :-)
> Next month they'll be publishing Don's "The Vigilante of Pizen Bluff",
> and the issue will be 24 pages larger (and 200 drs. more expensive) to
> accomodate the first installment of Sergio Aragones and Mark Evanier's
> "Space Circus", which I still don't understand why they're publishing
> in this particular magazine.
That's Dark Horse stuff... I don't understand it either.
--
Francesco
No subject
Message 43 -
2006-03-23 at 16:47:28
>>>>>Was it really a badger in Barks' "Christmas for Shacktown" who
digged that tunnel? In the German version of the Barks story Scrooge
says something about a "fox hole" - maybe it was changed by the German
translator.
So what I'd like to know: Does Scrooge talk about a "fox hole" in the
original version of "A Christmas for Shacktown" or about a badger?
In Barks' original script for "Christmas for Shacktown", it's called a
"badger hole". I wonder why they would change it? I just checked my
international animal guides (within an arm's reach, didn't even hafta leave
my chair) and they certainly have badgers all across Europe. Changing story
facts for no reason...... brrrr.
As it's been told to me, the German translator(s) "of old" changed a great
deal of things from Barks' original scripts, so you should not be surprised,
eh? (That's what I've been told -- of course, I'd have no way of knowing
myself, I can only read Amurakin.)
digged that tunnel? In the German version of the Barks story Scrooge
says something about a "fox hole" - maybe it was changed by the German
translator.
So what I'd like to know: Does Scrooge talk about a "fox hole" in the
original version of "A Christmas for Shacktown" or about a badger?
In Barks' original script for "Christmas for Shacktown", it's called a
"badger hole". I wonder why they would change it? I just checked my
international animal guides (within an arm's reach, didn't even hafta leave
my chair) and they certainly have badgers all across Europe. Changing story
facts for no reason...... brrrr.
As it's been told to me, the German translator(s) "of old" changed a great
deal of things from Barks' original scripts, so you should not be surprised,
eh? (That's what I've been told -- of course, I'd have no way of knowing
myself, I can only read Amurakin.)
No subject
Message 44 -
2006-03-23 at 16:47:28
>>>>About the merchandising purposes... I know that here, in some European
countries, Mickey and Donald (and the other members of the crew) are still
much more popular than, say, Pocahontas, or Mulan, or the brand new
Atlantis
bunch. And I'm sure that more licenses (for stationery, shirts, puppets,
role games and so on) concerning DD & MM are sold for the big number of
fans
that the characters have
(This situation is determined by the long tradition about "Topolino" and
"Paperino"'s comics: the big amount of publications we have (I speak about
Italy, peculiarly) and the large, very large production of new stories
created every year for the comics magazines which are translated into many
other languages.
So, even comics can be the reason of "big profits", directly or not.
You are speaking of Italy and Europe in general. NOT North America. I hope
it was clear that I was referring strictly to America.
countries, Mickey and Donald (and the other members of the crew) are still
much more popular than, say, Pocahontas, or Mulan, or the brand new
Atlantis
bunch. And I'm sure that more licenses (for stationery, shirts, puppets,
role games and so on) concerning DD & MM are sold for the big number of
fans
that the characters have
(This situation is determined by the long tradition about "Topolino" and
"Paperino"'s comics: the big amount of publications we have (I speak about
Italy, peculiarly) and the large, very large production of new stories
created every year for the comics magazines which are translated into many
other languages.
So, even comics can be the reason of "big profits", directly or not.
You are speaking of Italy and Europe in general. NOT North America. I hope
it was clear that I was referring strictly to America.
No subject
Message 45 -
2006-03-23 at 16:47:28
>>>>After countless messages about what constitutes a landmark, I'm still
unclear about YOUR definition. Is a landmark simply a positive point of
interest, like a tourist attraction or civic structure? Or can it be any
building, geological feature or locale that serves as a geographic point of
reference?
You're right -- I should clarify. The dictionary definition of a landmark
could just be a post in the corner of a field from which to measure for
placement of the first row of corn.
I'm using the "tourist" connotation of "landmark"... these 12 sites would be
something you might see pictured in the "Visit Duckburg" brochure at the
train station. That's why I can't 100% justify having Gyro's workshop in the
list, even though I think I want to........
unclear about YOUR definition. Is a landmark simply a positive point of
interest, like a tourist attraction or civic structure? Or can it be any
building, geological feature or locale that serves as a geographic point of
reference?
You're right -- I should clarify. The dictionary definition of a landmark
could just be a post in the corner of a field from which to measure for
placement of the first row of corn.
I'm using the "tourist" connotation of "landmark"... these 12 sites would be
something you might see pictured in the "Visit Duckburg" brochure at the
train station. That's why I can't 100% justify having Gyro's workshop in the
list, even though I think I want to........