So I guess then we're thinking it might be Strobl.
Admittedly the Donald looks somewhat like Barks's
handiwork (although it still bears more of a
resemblance to Strobl to me), but Gyro and the nephews
do not look like Barks at all. Perhaps as you say,
David, Barks, if he did the cover, intentionally drew
like Strobl because the latter did the inside art. I
don't know, though. Looks like Strobl to me. Kind of
funny how there are these we things we just don't
know. Didn't Western keep records of this stuff? At
least invoices or something?
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Robert Hutchings
Barks or Strobl cover
Message 46 -
2006-05-12 at 16:46:06
Marc Newman
Disney Comics 200th issues
Message 47 -
2006-05-13 at 06:39:52
Hi everyone,
I just joined the list tonight and am really looking forward to being
here. Most of my Disney comics knowledge is of Carl Barks so I'm going
to be learning a lot about other stuff from you folks.
By the way, this came out in today's Scoop newsletter from Gemstone:
http://scoop.diamondgalleries.com/preview/scoop_article.asp?ai=12109&si=122
A nice little piece about different Disney comics throughout the world
that reached their 200th issue. The first was Topolino in Italy in
1936--I had no idea!
Cheers,
Marc Newman
www.HouseofComics.com
"Super-Selection of Silver and Bronze Age Comics"
I just joined the list tonight and am really looking forward to being
here. Most of my Disney comics knowledge is of Carl Barks so I'm going
to be learning a lot about other stuff from you folks.
By the way, this came out in today's Scoop newsletter from Gemstone:
http://scoop.diamondgalleries.com/preview/scoop_article.asp?ai=12109&si=122
A nice little piece about different Disney comics throughout the world
that reached their 200th issue. The first was Topolino in Italy in
1936--I had no idea!
Cheers,
Marc Newman
www.HouseofComics.com
"Super-Selection of Silver and Bronze Age Comics"
Olaf Moriarty Solstrand
Plot paid by Burbank
Message 48 -
2006-05-13 at 23:01:15
Greetings, friends,
browsing INDUCKS, I notice that some stories have the comment "plot paid
by Burbank". Examples are
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php/x/D+92205//_
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php/x/D+92207//_
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php/x/D+92211//_
I'm not really sure what this means, is anyone in the mood to enlighten me?
--
Olaf Moriarty Solstrand
browsing INDUCKS, I notice that some stories have the comment "plot paid
by Burbank". Examples are
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php/x/D+92205//_
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php/x/D+92207//_
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php/x/D+92211//_
I'm not really sure what this means, is anyone in the mood to enlighten me?
--
Olaf Moriarty Solstrand
Stefan Persson
Plot paid by Burbank
Message 49 -
2006-05-14 at 05:06:21
Olaf Moriarty Solstrand wrote:
> browsing INDUCKS, I notice that some stories have the comment "plot paid
> by Burbank". Examples are
In Inducks you might find some stories with codes starting with an 'S'.
These stories were made for a Disney studio in Burbank, California,
USA. I'm guessing that they paid their employees for working there, and
I'm guessing that the comment in Inducks means that Egmont got the plot
from this studio in Burbank.
BTW, it appears that there are two different towns/cities called Burbank
in California, one in Los Angeles County and one in Santa Clara County.
Does anyone know in which of the two Burbanks the Disney studio was
located?
Stefan
> browsing INDUCKS, I notice that some stories have the comment "plot paid
> by Burbank". Examples are
In Inducks you might find some stories with codes starting with an 'S'.
These stories were made for a Disney studio in Burbank, California,
USA. I'm guessing that they paid their employees for working there, and
I'm guessing that the comment in Inducks means that Egmont got the plot
from this studio in Burbank.
BTW, it appears that there are two different towns/cities called Burbank
in California, one in Los Angeles County and one in Santa Clara County.
Does anyone know in which of the two Burbanks the Disney studio was
located?
Stefan
Ole Damgaard
Squabbit, Flemming Andersen
Message 50 -
2006-05-14 at 14:37:18
Bror Helmann wrote:
>In Sweden the Squabbit have had two names: "Griskanorre" (1957) and
>"Grisenin" (1974), now I wonder what squabbits are called in other
>countries. (INUCKS couldnat help me with this).
It is called a "grisenin" in danish. For those of you who don't speak
danish/swedish: I think it is a word put together by "gris" (pig) and
"Kanin" (rabbit).
-Oh, and someone asked about when Flemming Andersen started drawing Disney
comics. According to inducks, he has been writing and drawing since 1990.
Take a look at this page: http://coa.inducks.org/creator.php/x/FAn
/ole
---
More pictures from komiks.dk, the Copenhagen comic convention:
http://snipurl.com/komiksdk , http://rackham.dk/dokument/dokument023.php ,
http://www.sekventiellt.se/1spalt.php?sid=87&mid=4
>In Sweden the Squabbit have had two names: "Griskanorre" (1957) and
>"Grisenin" (1974), now I wonder what squabbits are called in other
>countries. (INUCKS couldnat help me with this).
It is called a "grisenin" in danish. For those of you who don't speak
danish/swedish: I think it is a word put together by "gris" (pig) and
"Kanin" (rabbit).
-Oh, and someone asked about when Flemming Andersen started drawing Disney
comics. According to inducks, he has been writing and drawing since 1990.
Take a look at this page: http://coa.inducks.org/creator.php/x/FAn
/ole
---
More pictures from komiks.dk, the Copenhagen comic convention:
http://snipurl.com/komiksdk , http://rackham.dk/dokument/dokument023.php ,
http://www.sekventiellt.se/1spalt.php?sid=87&mid=4
David Gerstein
Bob Foster? (was Plot paid by Burbank)
Message 51 -
2006-05-14 at 17:38:06
Hey there?
Re: "Plot paid by Burbank" D-stories...
Bob Foster may know more about this (hey, Bob... you still
there?). I believe that what happened is that Disney Comics, Inc.
bought the original scripts for these stories before its 1991
"implosion"; but after the "implosion," Disney Comics' budget had
been reduced, so they could no longer afford to have the stories drawn.
Shortly after this, Egmont paid to have the stories drawn; at
which point they became D-coded stories. But because Disney Comics,
Inc. in Burbank had already paid for the scripts, Egmont didn't have
to pay for them again.
Aside from the stories you listed, I also know a few other
published Egmont stories that began as Disney Comics, Inc. stories:
D 92206 ("The Pauper's Glass," intended as a DUCKTALES story but
completed for Egmont as a standard Scrooge, with Donald replacing
Launchpad)
D 92208-92210 (Launchpad McQuack two-pagers)
D 93274 (intended as a serial for Disney Comics' MICKEY MOUSE
ADVENTURES)
Huck Akin's "The Oak Island Treasure," a Scrooge graphic novel
announced by Disney (in 1991? I don't have my records here), was also
revived at Egmont, but shelved and never completed.
David
Re: "Plot paid by Burbank" D-stories...
Bob Foster may know more about this (hey, Bob... you still
there?). I believe that what happened is that Disney Comics, Inc.
bought the original scripts for these stories before its 1991
"implosion"; but after the "implosion," Disney Comics' budget had
been reduced, so they could no longer afford to have the stories drawn.
Shortly after this, Egmont paid to have the stories drawn; at
which point they became D-coded stories. But because Disney Comics,
Inc. in Burbank had already paid for the scripts, Egmont didn't have
to pay for them again.
Aside from the stories you listed, I also know a few other
published Egmont stories that began as Disney Comics, Inc. stories:
D 92206 ("The Pauper's Glass," intended as a DUCKTALES story but
completed for Egmont as a standard Scrooge, with Donald replacing
Launchpad)
D 92208-92210 (Launchpad McQuack two-pagers)
D 93274 (intended as a serial for Disney Comics' MICKEY MOUSE
ADVENTURES)
Huck Akin's "The Oak Island Treasure," a Scrooge graphic novel
announced by Disney (in 1991? I don't have my records here), was also
revived at Egmont, but shelved and never completed.
David
Gary Leach
The Other Leach
Message 52 -
2006-05-15 at 09:44:24
Olivier:
> And one day, a few weeks (two months) ago, as I checked it to enter
> it in my Word document, I saw that the painted cover of "Tales of
> Terror" # 10 (January, 1987), was credited to... Gary Leach !
> To date, it's the only art of his that I have. I have seen a few
> ads in other comics for titles drawn by Gary, though.
> Naturally, I Googled for Gary, and found out what a great artist he
> is / you are.
Oh, how I wish I could accept these kudos! But this Gary Leach, a
definitely fine artist, is not me. He's from Great Britain, and when
he first "arrived" in the US, his name was sometimes spelled Garry
Leach, but that didn't stop a certain confusion from arising, once
both he and I established ourselves in our respective areas.
Also, in spite of this "connection", we've never met.
Gary
> And one day, a few weeks (two months) ago, as I checked it to enter
> it in my Word document, I saw that the painted cover of "Tales of
> Terror" # 10 (January, 1987), was credited to... Gary Leach !
> To date, it's the only art of his that I have. I have seen a few
> ads in other comics for titles drawn by Gary, though.
> Naturally, I Googled for Gary, and found out what a great artist he
> is / you are.
Oh, how I wish I could accept these kudos! But this Gary Leach, a
definitely fine artist, is not me. He's from Great Britain, and when
he first "arrived" in the US, his name was sometimes spelled Garry
Leach, but that didn't stop a certain confusion from arising, once
both he and I established ourselves in our respective areas.
Also, in spite of this "connection", we've never met.
Gary
Kriton Kyrimis
Disney Comics 200th issues
Message 53 -
2006-05-15 at 12:18:58
MARC:
> A nice little piece about different Disney comics throughout the world
> that reached their 200th issue. The first was Topolino in Italy in
> 1936--I had no idea!
The article compares 200th issues of both weekly and monthly publications,
which aren't really comparable. The 200th issue of a weekly publication is
published in its fourth year and, while 200 is a nice round figure, it's
nothing much to brag about. On the other hand, the 200th issue of a monthly
publication is published in its 17th year, and is a lot more important,
especially for a children's title, where the initial audience has moved on and
has been successfully replaced by a younger generation. It would take about
870 issues for a weekly magazine to reach the same milestone. While 870 is not
a nice round figure, 1000 is, and I would think that 1000th issues are duly
celebrated. I don't know about Topolino, which is mentioned in the article,
but when the 1000th issue of the Greek Mickey Mouse magazine came out, it was
a thick, special issue, with, among other stories, a reprint of both parts of
Scarpa's "Topolino e Bip" (*) which had been published in the first two issues
of the magazine, giving me a chance to read the second part, which I had
missed back in 1966! The story was published in facsimile, retaining the
original hand-lettering (a practice which the magazine quickly abandoned) and
the grammar that was current back in 1966.
(*) Is this really the original title of I TL 222-A / I TL 223-B ?
Kriton.
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> A nice little piece about different Disney comics throughout the world
> that reached their 200th issue. The first was Topolino in Italy in
> 1936--I had no idea!
The article compares 200th issues of both weekly and monthly publications,
which aren't really comparable. The 200th issue of a weekly publication is
published in its fourth year and, while 200 is a nice round figure, it's
nothing much to brag about. On the other hand, the 200th issue of a monthly
publication is published in its 17th year, and is a lot more important,
especially for a children's title, where the initial audience has moved on and
has been successfully replaced by a younger generation. It would take about
870 issues for a weekly magazine to reach the same milestone. While 870 is not
a nice round figure, 1000 is, and I would think that 1000th issues are duly
celebrated. I don't know about Topolino, which is mentioned in the article,
but when the 1000th issue of the Greek Mickey Mouse magazine came out, it was
a thick, special issue, with, among other stories, a reprint of both parts of
Scarpa's "Topolino e Bip" (*) which had been published in the first two issues
of the magazine, giving me a chance to read the second part, which I had
missed back in 1966! The story was published in facsimile, retaining the
original hand-lettering (a practice which the magazine quickly abandoned) and
the grammar that was current back in 1966.
(*) Is this really the original title of I TL 222-A / I TL 223-B ?
Kriton.
-----
"I'm not here, of course. I'm just a memory you haven't had yet."
-----
Francesco Spreafico
Disney Comics 200th issues
Message 54 -
2006-05-15 at 12:38:11
Kriton Kyrimis wrote:
> Scarpa's "Topolino e Bip" (*)
> (*) Is this really the original title of I TL 222-A / I TL 223-B ?
It's Topolino e Bip-Bip alle sorgenti mongole (there a bug on COA
truncating titles with a "-", sometimes).
Francesco
> Scarpa's "Topolino e Bip" (*)
> (*) Is this really the original title of I TL 222-A / I TL 223-B ?
It's Topolino e Bip-Bip alle sorgenti mongole (there a bug on COA
truncating titles with a "-", sometimes).
Francesco
H.W.Fluks
Real-time discussions
Message 55 -
2006-05-15 at 18:33:05
I'm a bit behind in reading DCML mail...
Gilles wrote on April 12:
> how can you be sure that "most subscribers prefer to
> read in daily digests anyway" if this question is not
> frequently asked?
Subscribers to DCML can choose whether to receive the digests, or every
mail individually.
Apparently most people receive the digests. This either means they
prefer it that way, or they don't know how to change their settings.
--Harry.
Gilles wrote on April 12:
> how can you be sure that "most subscribers prefer to
> read in daily digests anyway" if this question is not
> frequently asked?
Subscribers to DCML can choose whether to receive the digests, or every
mail individually.
Apparently most people receive the digests. This either means they
prefer it that way, or they don't know how to change their settings.
--Harry.
Robert Hutchings
Disney-Published Comics
Message 56 -
2006-05-15 at 18:37:21
Hey, I'm just really curious here what the deal was
with the Disney-published comics circa 1990. As this
forum and others have demonstrated, there is a lot of
resentment, anger, and generally unhappy feelings
about Disney publishing. A short while ago I believe
it was Bob Foster who wrote a rather scathing piece on
Disney's desire for marketability at the expense of
quality. Don Rosa also once wrote that he only did
"The Money Pit" (the story in the first Disney issue
of "Donald Duck Adventures") as a goodwill gesture.
It's funny, because I was introduced to Disney
character comics in 1990 with the beginning of this
run, and I thought they were fantastic. Good paper,
good coloring, great stories (so I thought, anyway).
They were almost completely responsible for the
appreciation I currently hold for the comics of Donald
Duck, Uncle Scrooge, and so on. So, my question is:
what was the deal? Why does everybody older than 25,
especially people like Bob Foster and Don Rosa, hold
Disney and their comics in such contempt?
Robert Hutchings
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with the Disney-published comics circa 1990. As this
forum and others have demonstrated, there is a lot of
resentment, anger, and generally unhappy feelings
about Disney publishing. A short while ago I believe
it was Bob Foster who wrote a rather scathing piece on
Disney's desire for marketability at the expense of
quality. Don Rosa also once wrote that he only did
"The Money Pit" (the story in the first Disney issue
of "Donald Duck Adventures") as a goodwill gesture.
It's funny, because I was introduced to Disney
character comics in 1990 with the beginning of this
run, and I thought they were fantastic. Good paper,
good coloring, great stories (so I thought, anyway).
They were almost completely responsible for the
appreciation I currently hold for the comics of Donald
Duck, Uncle Scrooge, and so on. So, my question is:
what was the deal? Why does everybody older than 25,
especially people like Bob Foster and Don Rosa, hold
Disney and their comics in such contempt?
Robert Hutchings
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The making of a Squabbit
Message 57 -
2006-05-15 at 18:50:10
Bror Willie:
> 1) In Sweden the Squabbit have had two names: "Griskanorre" (1957) and
> "Grisenin" (1974), now I wonder what squabbits are called in other
> countries. (INUCKS couldnat help me with this).
Looking at the description and titles in Inducks, I found the following:
Danish: Griseninen
Finnish: porkani
French: Plumepoil
Norwegian: grisin
Unfortunately, I don't recall the Dutch name...
--Harry.
> 1) In Sweden the Squabbit have had two names: "Griskanorre" (1957) and
> "Grisenin" (1974), now I wonder what squabbits are called in other
> countries. (INUCKS couldnat help me with this).
Looking at the description and titles in Inducks, I found the following:
Danish: Griseninen
Finnish: porkani
French: Plumepoil
Norwegian: grisin
Unfortunately, I don't recall the Dutch name...
--Harry.
BFOSTERLA
"Plot paid by Burbank" D-stories...
Message 58 -
2006-05-15 at 19:57:57
Re: "Plot paid by Burbank" D-stories...
Disney Comics, Inc. bought the original scripts for these stories before its
1991
"implosion"; but after the "implosion," Disney Comics' budget had been
reduced, so they could no longer afford to have the stories drawn.
Yeah, that jogged my memory. I remember suggesting to the sales and
marketing wizards that long stories would be a good thing to do. Maybe run them
initially in several issues of one of the titles, then reprint the compilation in
hardback book form. I think some of them ran about 96 - 100 pages, but these
were fully fleshed out stories with great plots, sub-plots and tangential
character exposition. I'd forgotten about Huck Akin's "Oak Island Treasure." I
remember he did a ton of research and came in with an exciting plot outline
that just had to be done. Pat McGreal did one involving Hawaiian mythology that
I did see in print. I recall another story notion based on a Swing Music
orchestra contest involving a symphony-sized gathering of Beagle Boys entitled
"Boogie Woogie Beagle Boys," but I don't know what happened with that.
I don't have easy access to whatever records I might have, so unless I see a
script synopsis or some artwork, a title and code number don't do me much
good.
I think the Disney "implosion" was more of a 1992 event and was one of the
things that motivated my departure. The budget was reduced because the numbers
crunchers wanted to show more profit. (The best way to increase profit is to
do better stuff that more people want and more people will buy, not by
decreasing the budget and cheapening the production values.) I believed long
stories that could be reprinted later as hardback books that could go on
bookshelves in bookstores, not just comic shops, would be a great item that fans and
non-fans alike would want. I wanted to do a line of comic BOOKS, hard covered
editions of about 120 pages, that would appear monthly but were not
cover-dated so they could stay on bookshelves year round.
As for "...so they could no longer afford to have the stories drawn..." good
grief! If the money controllers had just stood behind us and supported us,
we might have done some memorable, groundbreaking stuff. But, no... they had
to squeeze us into monetary oblivion. Gladstone operated for years on a
handful of dedicated and talented people in modest offices in an affordable area
(Arizona). Disney had about 35 people in some of the most expensive real estate
in Burbank, with computers (I didn't get one), secretaries (not me), and
supervisors (I had four). No wonder they couldn't afford to publish comics. My
favorite quote by one of the semi-suits - "Here at WD Publications, we're not
building a publishing empire, we're building resumes." They saw Disney
Comics as a way to prove they could reduce budgets and still get the work done,
then used that skill to get jobs elsewhere.
David, you also said, "But because Disney Comics, Inc. in Burbank had
already paid for the scripts, Egmont didn't have to pay for them again."
I'm not so sure that's entirely true. I think Gutenberghus (Egmont) did buy
the scripts, perhaps at a reduced price, but maybe also as a diplomatic favor
to Disney. It doesn't make sense to me that the budget conscious folks in
Burbank would ever simply give anything away without breaking even on the
expense.
Finally - Hello to Flemming Andersen! Still playing the drums?
- Bob
Disney Comics, Inc. bought the original scripts for these stories before its
1991
"implosion"; but after the "implosion," Disney Comics' budget had been
reduced, so they could no longer afford to have the stories drawn.
Yeah, that jogged my memory. I remember suggesting to the sales and
marketing wizards that long stories would be a good thing to do. Maybe run them
initially in several issues of one of the titles, then reprint the compilation in
hardback book form. I think some of them ran about 96 - 100 pages, but these
were fully fleshed out stories with great plots, sub-plots and tangential
character exposition. I'd forgotten about Huck Akin's "Oak Island Treasure." I
remember he did a ton of research and came in with an exciting plot outline
that just had to be done. Pat McGreal did one involving Hawaiian mythology that
I did see in print. I recall another story notion based on a Swing Music
orchestra contest involving a symphony-sized gathering of Beagle Boys entitled
"Boogie Woogie Beagle Boys," but I don't know what happened with that.
I don't have easy access to whatever records I might have, so unless I see a
script synopsis or some artwork, a title and code number don't do me much
good.
I think the Disney "implosion" was more of a 1992 event and was one of the
things that motivated my departure. The budget was reduced because the numbers
crunchers wanted to show more profit. (The best way to increase profit is to
do better stuff that more people want and more people will buy, not by
decreasing the budget and cheapening the production values.) I believed long
stories that could be reprinted later as hardback books that could go on
bookshelves in bookstores, not just comic shops, would be a great item that fans and
non-fans alike would want. I wanted to do a line of comic BOOKS, hard covered
editions of about 120 pages, that would appear monthly but were not
cover-dated so they could stay on bookshelves year round.
As for "...so they could no longer afford to have the stories drawn..." good
grief! If the money controllers had just stood behind us and supported us,
we might have done some memorable, groundbreaking stuff. But, no... they had
to squeeze us into monetary oblivion. Gladstone operated for years on a
handful of dedicated and talented people in modest offices in an affordable area
(Arizona). Disney had about 35 people in some of the most expensive real estate
in Burbank, with computers (I didn't get one), secretaries (not me), and
supervisors (I had four). No wonder they couldn't afford to publish comics. My
favorite quote by one of the semi-suits - "Here at WD Publications, we're not
building a publishing empire, we're building resumes." They saw Disney
Comics as a way to prove they could reduce budgets and still get the work done,
then used that skill to get jobs elsewhere.
David, you also said, "But because Disney Comics, Inc. in Burbank had
already paid for the scripts, Egmont didn't have to pay for them again."
I'm not so sure that's entirely true. I think Gutenberghus (Egmont) did buy
the scripts, perhaps at a reduced price, but maybe also as a diplomatic favor
to Disney. It doesn't make sense to me that the budget conscious folks in
Burbank would ever simply give anything away without breaking even on the
expense.
Finally - Hello to Flemming Andersen! Still playing the drums?
- Bob
Olivier
The Other Leach
Message 59 -
2006-05-15 at 20:12:49
Gary:
>>>> Oh, how I wish I could accept these kudos!
>>>> But this Gary Leach, a definitely fine artist, is not me.
Oh. Darn. Odd: I wasn't sure about Len Wein, but was in your case.
Well, this doesn't change the fact Susan and you are great colorists (that's the name, isn't it? I somehow have a doubt typing it).
Olivier
>>>> Oh, how I wish I could accept these kudos!
>>>> But this Gary Leach, a definitely fine artist, is not me.
Oh. Darn. Odd: I wasn't sure about Len Wein, but was in your case.
Well, this doesn't change the fact Susan and you are great colorists (that's the name, isn't it? I somehow have a doubt typing it).
Olivier
Olaf Moriarty Solstrand
William R. Van Horn
Message 60 -
2006-05-15 at 21:19:51
Dear friends.
According to the Canadian phone book, William Van Horn's middle initial is
R. (or, at least I *assume* this person is our Van Horn, an assumption I
think is fair when the only William Van Horn listed in the entire Canada
lives in Vancouver.)
Does anyone here know what this R is short for?
--
Olaf Moriarty Solstrand
According to the Canadian phone book, William Van Horn's middle initial is
R. (or, at least I *assume* this person is our Van Horn, an assumption I
think is fair when the only William Van Horn listed in the entire Canada
lives in Vancouver.)
Does anyone here know what this R is short for?
--
Olaf Moriarty Solstrand