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DCML Digest, Vol 44, Issue 8
Message 16 -
2006-10-13 at 20:05:12
Anybody have a report of Don Rosa's Trip to Germany?
Fluks, H.W. (Harry)
Inducks (coa)
Message 17 -
2006-10-13 at 20:37:42
In the past weeks, http://inducks.org (and http://coa.inducks.org,
http://bolderbast.inducks.org etc.) were unreachable.
We have upgraded the whole system to a newer version (both hardware and
software). Most of the things work again now, though there are still a
few lose ends and bugs to fix. We'll try to address those in the coming
week.
More details about the upgrade are given here:
http://coa.inducks.org/news.php
--Harry.
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http://bolderbast.inducks.org etc.) were unreachable.
We have upgraded the whole system to a newer version (both hardware and
software). Most of the things work again now, though there are still a
few lose ends and bugs to fix. We'll try to address those in the coming
week.
More details about the upgrade are given here:
http://coa.inducks.org/news.php
--Harry.
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Timo Ronkainen
Disney exhibition in Paris
Message 18 -
2006-10-15 at 17:34:40
Hello all!
Have any French donaldists seen yet the Disney-exhibition in Grand Palais,
Paris? Well, it's not about comics, but looks fascinating all right:
http://www.rmn.fr/disney/
An exhibition organised by the R?union des Mus?es Nationaux, Paris 16
septembre 2006 - 15 janvier 2007.
Exhibition catalogue is thick and looks tempting, but it seems to be only in
French. Does anybody know if there will be English version some day? Perhaps
when the exhibtion travels to Canada next spring...
Exhibition shows how Disney and his artists got influenced by European
tradition of classic art and fairy tales.
Timo
Have any French donaldists seen yet the Disney-exhibition in Grand Palais,
Paris? Well, it's not about comics, but looks fascinating all right:
http://www.rmn.fr/disney/
An exhibition organised by the R?union des Mus?es Nationaux, Paris 16
septembre 2006 - 15 janvier 2007.
Exhibition catalogue is thick and looks tempting, but it seems to be only in
French. Does anybody know if there will be English version some day? Perhaps
when the exhibtion travels to Canada next spring...
Exhibition shows how Disney and his artists got influenced by European
tradition of classic art and fairy tales.
Timo
Olivier
Disney exhibition in Paris
Message 19 -
2006-10-15 at 21:56:28
Hi everybody !
>>>> Have any French donaldists seen yet the Disney-exhibition in Grand
>>>> Palais,
>>>> Paris? Well, it's not about comics, but looks fascinating all right:
>>>> http://www.rmn.fr/disney/
No, I haven't been able to go yet; maybe later this month. I was told to
beware of 3-hour queues.
>>>> Exhibition catalogue is thick and looks tempting, but it seems to be
>>>> only in
>>>> French. Does anybody know if there will be English version some day?
>>>> Perhaps
>>>> when the exhibtion travels to Canada next spring...
Possibly.
>>>> Exhibition shows how Disney and his artists got influenced by European
>>>> tradition of classic art and fairy tales.
There was a TV program linked to the exhibition; very interesting &
well-made. It ought to be available on DVD-- doesn't the site mention it? I
would be surprised if there were not any.
Olivier
>>>> Have any French donaldists seen yet the Disney-exhibition in Grand
>>>> Palais,
>>>> Paris? Well, it's not about comics, but looks fascinating all right:
>>>> http://www.rmn.fr/disney/
No, I haven't been able to go yet; maybe later this month. I was told to
beware of 3-hour queues.
>>>> Exhibition catalogue is thick and looks tempting, but it seems to be
>>>> only in
>>>> French. Does anybody know if there will be English version some day?
>>>> Perhaps
>>>> when the exhibtion travels to Canada next spring...
Possibly.
>>>> Exhibition shows how Disney and his artists got influenced by European
>>>> tradition of classic art and fairy tales.
There was a TV program linked to the exhibition; very interesting &
well-made. It ought to be available on DVD-- doesn't the site mention it? I
would be surprised if there were not any.
Olivier
Timo Ronkainen
Disney exhibition in Paris
Message 20 -
2006-10-16 at 01:55:25
----- Original Message -----
From: "Olivier"
> There was a TV program linked to the exhibition; very interesting &
> well-made. It ought to be available on DVD-- doesn't the site mention it?
They do have one interesting DVD. I don't know if this is the TV-prog you
mentioned:
DVD-vid?o: Il ?tait une fois Walt Disney. Aux sources de l'art des studios
Disney
Un film documentaire e 47 mn, r?alis? par Samuel Doux.
It has interviews of :
Bruno Girveau, Serge Bromberg, (artistic director of Festival d'Annecy) and
Disney historian Pierre Lambert, as a bonus it has Snow White. Mute film by
J. Searle Dawley from 1916. It was one of the main inspirations for Walt
when making his own Snow White, and also one of the first films Walt ever
saw.
Timo
From: "Olivier"
> There was a TV program linked to the exhibition; very interesting &
> well-made. It ought to be available on DVD-- doesn't the site mention it?
They do have one interesting DVD. I don't know if this is the TV-prog you
mentioned:
DVD-vid?o: Il ?tait une fois Walt Disney. Aux sources de l'art des studios
Disney
Un film documentaire e 47 mn, r?alis? par Samuel Doux.
It has interviews of :
Bruno Girveau, Serge Bromberg, (artistic director of Festival d'Annecy) and
Disney historian Pierre Lambert, as a bonus it has Snow White. Mute film by
J. Searle Dawley from 1916. It was one of the main inspirations for Walt
when making his own Snow White, and also one of the first films Walt ever
saw.
Timo
Olivier
Disney exhibition in Paris
Message 21 -
2006-10-16 at 22:08:02
>>>> They do have one interesting DVD. I don't know if this is the TV-prog
>>>> you
>>>> mentioned:
>>>> DVD-vid?o: Il ?tait une fois Walt Disney. Aux sources de l'art des
>>>> studios
>>>> Disney
That's it.
>>>> as a bonus it has Snow White. Mute film by
>>>> J. Searle Dawley from 1916.
This was not shown, but I figured there ought to be some special features on
the DVD.
Olivier
>>>> you
>>>> mentioned:
>>>> DVD-vid?o: Il ?tait une fois Walt Disney. Aux sources de l'art des
>>>> studios
>>>> Disney
That's it.
>>>> as a bonus it has Snow White. Mute film by
>>>> J. Searle Dawley from 1916.
This was not shown, but I figured there ought to be some special features on
the DVD.
Olivier
Gerd Syllwasschy
A William Van Horn fansite
Message 22 -
2006-10-16 at 23:56:54
Peter Kowalewski and I are proud to announce the launch of our William
Van Horn site:
http://wvh.barksbase.de/
We hope you like it. And we hope you won't mind the house advertising.
Have fun!
Peter & Gerd
Van Horn site:
http://wvh.barksbase.de/
We hope you like it. And we hope you won't mind the house advertising.
Have fun!
Peter & Gerd
Fluks, H.W. (Harry)
Paperleòn - Donald Lionduck
Message 23 -
2006-10-17 at 10:16:59
Better late than.. (?)
On August 28, Johnny Jakobsen wrote:
> I have some rather obscure linguistic-onomastic questions for
> the esteemed, international community of DCML concerning the
> Italian duckumentary Paperleone in oriente (Donald Lionduck
> in the Orient) by Nino Russo and Andrea Freccero, published
> in Topolino (Libretto) no. 2150 in 1997.
>
> My questions are about the original Italian place-names in
> the story. In the very first picture, we meet the home town
> of Donald Lionduck with a wooden sign stating the name of the
> place. What is this small town called in Italian?
Its name in Dutch is Duckoni?.
> Later on,
> arrived to the Orient, Donald and the crusading army is about
> to attack and reconquer a castle held by the enemy. In the
> picture showing the camp of the crusaders in front of the
> castle, the captain of the crusaders tell us the name of the
> castle (at least he does in the Danish version).
In the Dutch version, no castle name is mentioned.
> Actually, for both place-names, the Dutch and German
> translations would be of great interest to me as well.
And of course you've made me curious as to *why* you want to know all this!
--Harry.
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On August 28, Johnny Jakobsen wrote:
> I have some rather obscure linguistic-onomastic questions for
> the esteemed, international community of DCML concerning the
> Italian duckumentary Paperleone in oriente (Donald Lionduck
> in the Orient) by Nino Russo and Andrea Freccero, published
> in Topolino (Libretto) no. 2150 in 1997.
>
> My questions are about the original Italian place-names in
> the story. In the very first picture, we meet the home town
> of Donald Lionduck with a wooden sign stating the name of the
> place. What is this small town called in Italian?
Its name in Dutch is Duckoni?.
> Later on,
> arrived to the Orient, Donald and the crusading army is about
> to attack and reconquer a castle held by the enemy. In the
> picture showing the camp of the crusaders in front of the
> castle, the captain of the crusaders tell us the name of the
> castle (at least he does in the Danish version).
In the Dutch version, no castle name is mentioned.
> Actually, for both place-names, the Dutch and German
> translations would be of great interest to me as well.
And of course you've made me curious as to *why* you want to know all this!
--Harry.
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Germund Von Wowern
Duckomenta in Malmö
Message 24 -
2006-10-17 at 14:19:02
DUCKOMENTA MALM? opens Thursday and invites
to vernissage and panel disccussion
The Swedish comic art society Seriefr?mjandet opens the
gates for the art exhibition Duckomenta in Malm?,
southern Sweden, on October 19. The exhibition includes
works by German artists Interducks, who since 1982 have
created an astounding number of pastiches of famous art
objects, seen from a Disney-inspired duck and mouse
perspective. With their interpretations of works from
Egyptian sculptures to modern art, created with great skill
and knowledge about the original techniques and
materials, the Interduck artists aim to challenge the
borders between ?fine? and popular art. Bring your sense
of humor and experience an alternative journey through
the duckomented history of mankind.
The main events, in addition to the exhibition, are the
opening, Thursday Oct. 19, with several prominet guests
present, and a panel discussion on art and popular culture.
Lasse ?berg, Swedish artist and actor, famous for his
artistic interpretations of Mickey Mouse, will open the
exhibition in the company of Prof. Dr. Eckhart Bauer from
Hochschule f?r Bildende K?nste in Braunschweig, who in
the 1980s initiated the Duckomenta project. Also present
will be R?diger Stanko, one of the artists behind the
exhibition.
TIME AND ADDRESS: Thursday 19 October at 19:00.
Kulturhuset Mazetti, Friisgatan 15B, Malm?, Sweden.
The panel discussion with four Swedish historians, artists
and art critics will be held in the exhibition hall
Monday October 23 at 19:00.
Duckomenta Malm? will be open for the public every day
until November 4.
OPENING HOURS: MON-WED, FRI 11.00-18.00
THUR 11.00-20.00 * SAT & SUN 11.00-16.00
More information about the Malm? exhibition,
Seriefr?mjandet and for the press is found at
<http://www.serieframjandet.se/> (in Swedish)
More information about Duckomenta is found at
<http://www.duckomenta.de/>
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to vernissage and panel disccussion
The Swedish comic art society Seriefr?mjandet opens the
gates for the art exhibition Duckomenta in Malm?,
southern Sweden, on October 19. The exhibition includes
works by German artists Interducks, who since 1982 have
created an astounding number of pastiches of famous art
objects, seen from a Disney-inspired duck and mouse
perspective. With their interpretations of works from
Egyptian sculptures to modern art, created with great skill
and knowledge about the original techniques and
materials, the Interduck artists aim to challenge the
borders between ?fine? and popular art. Bring your sense
of humor and experience an alternative journey through
the duckomented history of mankind.
The main events, in addition to the exhibition, are the
opening, Thursday Oct. 19, with several prominet guests
present, and a panel discussion on art and popular culture.
Lasse ?berg, Swedish artist and actor, famous for his
artistic interpretations of Mickey Mouse, will open the
exhibition in the company of Prof. Dr. Eckhart Bauer from
Hochschule f?r Bildende K?nste in Braunschweig, who in
the 1980s initiated the Duckomenta project. Also present
will be R?diger Stanko, one of the artists behind the
exhibition.
TIME AND ADDRESS: Thursday 19 October at 19:00.
Kulturhuset Mazetti, Friisgatan 15B, Malm?, Sweden.
The panel discussion with four Swedish historians, artists
and art critics will be held in the exhibition hall
Monday October 23 at 19:00.
Duckomenta Malm? will be open for the public every day
until November 4.
OPENING HOURS: MON-WED, FRI 11.00-18.00
THUR 11.00-20.00 * SAT & SUN 11.00-16.00
More information about the Malm? exhibition,
Seriefr?mjandet and for the press is found at
<http://www.serieframjandet.se/> (in Swedish)
More information about Duckomenta is found at
<http://www.duckomenta.de/>
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Jerryblake2
William Van Horn site
Message 25 -
2006-10-17 at 21:44:42
Peter and Gerd, your William Van Horn site is terrific; I'm so glad to see a fansite dedicated to good old "Silly Billy." I think he's the best American Duck artist/writer since Carl Barks. I'll look forward to further additions to the site.
Asaramelli
Portuguese language Disney comics fans
Message 26 -
2006-10-17 at 22:49:31
Hello !
I would love to contact Disney comics fans are portuguese language speakers
as first language (lus?fanos).
If you are or know friends or fans from the countries below, please contact
asaramelli at ig.com.br
Thank you since now
Alexandre
S?o Paulo
Angola, Cape Verde, East Timor, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, India, Macau(China),
Mozambique, Portugal, S?o Tom? and Pr?ncipe and Sri Lanka.
?
I would love to contact Disney comics fans are portuguese language speakers
as first language (lus?fanos).
If you are or know friends or fans from the countries below, please contact
asaramelli at ig.com.br
Thank you since now
Alexandre
S?o Paulo
Angola, Cape Verde, East Timor, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, India, Macau(China),
Mozambique, Portugal, S?o Tom? and Pr?ncipe and Sri Lanka.
?
Gary Leach
William Van Horn site
Message 27 -
2006-10-18 at 21:37:34
Peter and Gerd: The "modern" history of Disney comics in North
America - from Gladstone I to Gemstone - would be much poorer without
Bill, a creator who has not only done his utmost to please readers,
but is among the few ready to leap to the aid of us poor ol'
productions wonks with things like emergency covers and whatnot. It's
a pleasure to see how your own appreciation has resulted in such a
clean, stylish, well-organized website for one of my own favorite folks.
Gary
America - from Gladstone I to Gemstone - would be much poorer without
Bill, a creator who has not only done his utmost to please readers,
but is among the few ready to leap to the aid of us poor ol'
productions wonks with things like emergency covers and whatnot. It's
a pleasure to see how your own appreciation has resulted in such a
clean, stylish, well-organized website for one of my own favorite folks.
Gary
Jano Rohleder
Don Rosa in Germany
Message 28 -
2006-10-19 at 04:15:03
As some people asked for reports...
I've got one on Don's signing tour on my website, DuckMania. For now, it's
all in German, but I hope I'll soon be able to put a translated version of
it on-line, too.
However, you can already find some nice photos of the different locations
and the cover of the limited tour edition Lo$ book there:
http://www.duckmania.de/index.php?Specials:Deutschland-Tour_2006
There's an extra site covering Don's visit in Frankfurt, including a photo
gallery and a seven-minutes video clip.
Don attended the international Book Fair on October 7th and 8th, and I kind
of assisted him during the two days (writing down names etc.) which was
great fun.
In the evening of Sunday, October 8th, Don had dinner with some folks of the
German "D.O.N.A.L.D." (donaldist) society. During that he kindly drew me the
Uncle Scrooge I asked for (at about 10 pm!), and signed my copy of the
"Onkel Dagobert" album #30 in which "A Letter from Home" was published (I
translated the story for Ehapa back in 2003).
You can find the photos and the video here (the picture quality isn't very
good during the first 20 seconds, but it gets better once the camera stops
moving around):
http://www.duckmania.de/index.php?Specials:DuckMania_mit_Don_in_Frankfurt
I hope you'll enjoy the stuff, and I'll let you know when the translated
version of the reports is on (www.duckmania.de/english).
btw: the guy in the "Simpsons"-Jacket is Phil Ortiz from Bongo/Simpsons
Comics who signed at the Panini booth that day.
Best wishes,
Jano
I've got one on Don's signing tour on my website, DuckMania. For now, it's
all in German, but I hope I'll soon be able to put a translated version of
it on-line, too.
However, you can already find some nice photos of the different locations
and the cover of the limited tour edition Lo$ book there:
http://www.duckmania.de/index.php?Specials:Deutschland-Tour_2006
There's an extra site covering Don's visit in Frankfurt, including a photo
gallery and a seven-minutes video clip.
Don attended the international Book Fair on October 7th and 8th, and I kind
of assisted him during the two days (writing down names etc.) which was
great fun.
In the evening of Sunday, October 8th, Don had dinner with some folks of the
German "D.O.N.A.L.D." (donaldist) society. During that he kindly drew me the
Uncle Scrooge I asked for (at about 10 pm!), and signed my copy of the
"Onkel Dagobert" album #30 in which "A Letter from Home" was published (I
translated the story for Ehapa back in 2003).
You can find the photos and the video here (the picture quality isn't very
good during the first 20 seconds, but it gets better once the camera stops
moving around):
http://www.duckmania.de/index.php?Specials:DuckMania_mit_Don_in_Frankfurt
I hope you'll enjoy the stuff, and I'll let you know when the translated
version of the reports is on (www.duckmania.de/english).
btw: the guy in the "Simpsons"-Jacket is Phil Ortiz from Bongo/Simpsons
Comics who signed at the Panini booth that day.
Best wishes,
Jano
Akademiet
Paperleòn - Donald Lionduck
Message 29 -
2006-10-19 at 17:20:34
Late is most certainly better than never.
I am very grateful for the info on the Dutch name of the home town of "Donald Lionduck".
As to your question WHY I want to know about this:
well, I am in a group of historians, who as a hobby project want to look into the Middle
Ages of the Duck world. When I ask you about the Dutch name of the town, it is
because some of us think that if compared to the Human world, the town might be
expected to be found in the Dutch-speaking areas of the medieval Burgundy.
Several stories does, of course, concern the times before the foundation of Duckburg,
but this one is rather extraordinary, as we are witnessing something as unusual (in the
Duck world) as a crusade, hence suggesting religious warfare! We are also shown
religious symbols such as the cross and the half moon. What was this Duck crusade
all about, we wonder, and where did the crusaders come from?
The studies of medieval "Stella anatium" will go on...
(Just for the record, I probably should add, we have no dubious political intentions with our studies. Our interest in the whole thing is purely Donaldistic.)
With greetings,
Johnny Jakobsen
(Centre for studies of medieval Stella anatium)
"Fluks, H.W. (Harry)" <harry.fluks at tno.nl> wrote:
Better late than.. (?)
On August 28, Johnny Jakobsen wrote:
> I have some rather obscure linguistic-onomastic questions for
> the esteemed, international community of DCML concerning the
> Italian duckumentary Paperleone in oriente (Donald Lionduck
> in the Orient) by Nino Russo and Andrea Freccero, published
> in Topolino (Libretto) no. 2150 in 1997.
>
> My questions are about the original Italian place-names in
> the story. In the very first picture, we meet the home town
> of Donald Lionduck with a wooden sign stating the name of the
> place. What is this small town called in Italian?
Its name in Dutch is Duckoni?.
> Later on,
> arrived to the Orient, Donald and the crusading army is about
> to attack and reconquer a castle held by the enemy. In the
> picture showing the camp of the crusaders in front of the
> castle, the captain of the crusaders tell us the name of the
> castle (at least he does in the Danish version).
In the Dutch version, no castle name is mentioned.
> Actually, for both place-names, the Dutch and German
> translations would be of great interest to me as well.
And of course you've made me curious as to *why* you want to know all this!
--Harry.
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I am very grateful for the info on the Dutch name of the home town of "Donald Lionduck".
As to your question WHY I want to know about this:
well, I am in a group of historians, who as a hobby project want to look into the Middle
Ages of the Duck world. When I ask you about the Dutch name of the town, it is
because some of us think that if compared to the Human world, the town might be
expected to be found in the Dutch-speaking areas of the medieval Burgundy.
Several stories does, of course, concern the times before the foundation of Duckburg,
but this one is rather extraordinary, as we are witnessing something as unusual (in the
Duck world) as a crusade, hence suggesting religious warfare! We are also shown
religious symbols such as the cross and the half moon. What was this Duck crusade
all about, we wonder, and where did the crusaders come from?
The studies of medieval "Stella anatium" will go on...
(Just for the record, I probably should add, we have no dubious political intentions with our studies. Our interest in the whole thing is purely Donaldistic.)
With greetings,
Johnny Jakobsen
(Centre for studies of medieval Stella anatium)
"Fluks, H.W. (Harry)" <harry.fluks at tno.nl> wrote:
Better late than.. (?)
On August 28, Johnny Jakobsen wrote:
> I have some rather obscure linguistic-onomastic questions for
> the esteemed, international community of DCML concerning the
> Italian duckumentary Paperleone in oriente (Donald Lionduck
> in the Orient) by Nino Russo and Andrea Freccero, published
> in Topolino (Libretto) no. 2150 in 1997.
>
> My questions are about the original Italian place-names in
> the story. In the very first picture, we meet the home town
> of Donald Lionduck with a wooden sign stating the name of the
> place. What is this small town called in Italian?
Its name in Dutch is Duckoni?.
> Later on,
> arrived to the Orient, Donald and the crusading army is about
> to attack and reconquer a castle held by the enemy. In the
> picture showing the camp of the crusaders in front of the
> castle, the captain of the crusaders tell us the name of the
> castle (at least he does in the Danish version).
In the Dutch version, no castle name is mentioned.
> Actually, for both place-names, the Dutch and German
> translations would be of great interest to me as well.
And of course you've made me curious as to *why* you want to know all this!
--Harry.
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Timo Ronkainen
Spies on story Have Gun, Will Dance?
Message 30 -
2006-10-20 at 01:24:10
Hello All
Question: I have no acces at the moment to english language original Barks
story W WDC 278-02 "Have Gun, Will Dance", and I need answer pretty soon.
From what country were spies who tried to steal weapons? Brutopia? They
dance Russian way in the end of the story. Cold War era story. In Finnish
translation they come from "Kapinamaa" which would be "Mutiny- or
Revoltland"
Best Wishes
Timo
^^''*''^^
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Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!"
Question: I have no acces at the moment to english language original Barks
story W WDC 278-02 "Have Gun, Will Dance", and I need answer pretty soon.
From what country were spies who tried to steal weapons? Brutopia? They
dance Russian way in the end of the story. Cold War era story. In Finnish
translation they come from "Kapinamaa" which would be "Mutiny- or
Revoltland"
Best Wishes
Timo
^^''*''^^
Cartoonist - writer - donaldist -
Timo Ronkainen ---------------- -
YO-kyl? 52 A 26 --------------- -
20540 Turku ------------------- -
Finland ----------------------- -
041 489 77 81 ----------------- -
timoro2 at yahoo.com
timoro at hotmail.com
?? Personal:
http://www.geocities.com/timoro2/
?? Ankkalinnan Pamaus:
http://www.perunamaa.net/ankistit/
?? Kvaak-sarjakuvaportaali:
http://www.kvaak.fi
.................................
"Rumble on, buxom bumble bee!
Go sit on a cowslip - far from me!"