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S?ren writes

> 6) Don is not the best. Don is Don and much finer and more brilliant
> Disney comic stories were written and drawn by somebody else.

I think even Don would say Carl Barks set a standard that nobody will
surpass.
Certainly he was inspired by Carl Barks as well, But Don has done some
brilliant stories.
I think his The Guardians? of the Lost Library is a brilliant story.

S?ren writes:
> 7) Don cannot compete with the best Disney comic stories written, due to
> the fact that he never made any.

Obviously this is just your opinion, but I think you are in the minority for
Disney Comic Readers.
Every single comic story about Uncle Scrooge has to be partially credited to
Carl Barks for creating the character. But I have seen many Scrooge stories
where the story is poor. Carl Barks and Don Rosa included. But both Carl and
Don have far surpassed the bad with the good.
S?ren, Did you actually read the Life and Times Scrooge book?
It is great.
The art is Don's own style and while not as smooth as some artists, it is far
better than many Disney Duck artists who followed Carl Barks.
Carl Barks set a standard too high for anyone.
It was always disappointing as a kid to see Scrooge stories after Carl
retired.
Not until Don Rosa did Son of the Sun did I really enjoy U. Scrooge stories
again.
S?ren, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, even in this case, when it
is wrong.

Barry Branvold

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Greetings to All!

There was a comment about Don Rosa's "Gyro's First Invention" being
someone's "second least favorite" story by him. I recall it being rather
"inventive" myself!

More thoughts on the mother and especially father of Huey, Dewey, and
Louie: whatever hints Don Rosa might have wanted to include in a
story about their whereabouts, and the identity of the father, are fine
with me. I do believe it would be nice to have such a story: exact
explanations, however, the more I think about it, might not be what I
want either.

Some intriguing hints about what might be happening with them would
probably be better!

Best Wishes!

L. Schulte

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My, my, my! A lot of typical sour grapes and sour attitudes out there regarding Don's work, which only happens to be the best stuff out there since Carl Barks, bar none. But that's only my humblest of *opinions.*

---- "S?ren Krarup Olesen" <sko at inducks.org> wrote:
> BARRY:
>
> First, thanks for a very nice reply, Barry. My list of opinions may have
> come out a bit "bombastic". That was only party attempted.
>
> > I think even Don would say Carl Barks set a standard that nobody will
> > surpass.
> > Certainly he was inspired by Carl Barks as well, But Don has done some
> > brilliant stories.
>
> Agreed completely.
>
> >> 7) Don cannot compete with the best Disney comic stories written, due to
> >> the fact that he never made any.
> >
> >
> > Obviously this is just your opinion, but I think you are in the minority
> > for Disney Comic Readers.
>
> Nah, that was just me being silly, actually. You know, it's just that
> Don once wrote that he didn't do *Disney* comics. There's nothing more
> to it...
>
> > Every single comic story about Uncle Scrooge has to be partially
> > credited to Carl Barks for creating the character. But I have seen many
> > Scrooge stories where the story is *_poor_*. Carl Barks and Don Rosa
> > included. But both Carl and Don have far surpassed the bad with the good.
>
> Yes, I have noticed your focus on Scrooge. Surely there are tons of bad
> stories out there, I mean plain bad. But other stories (especially the
> Italian ones) have tried to redefine Scrooge and put him in a more
> contemporary context. Many people may not like that; Scrooge struggling
> with his computer or cellular, stuff like that. The character itself,
> however, his nature and believes are universal.
>
> > S?ren, Did you actually read the Life and Times Scrooge book?
> > It is great.
>
> Erm...well, to be honest with you, I didn't really finish the reading. I
> got it from an ex-girlfriend many years ago and was supposed to use it
> as a sorta relaxation during a flight from Copenhangen to Seattle. I
> guess I only got through the first chapter or so. Later I picked it up
> again but found it hard to get through and stopped about half-ways after
> which I sold it. Whether it was due to lack of well-known Disney
> characters or simply because of feeling bored, I don't know...
>
> > The art is Don's own style and while not as smooth as some artists, it
> > is far better than many Disney Duck artists who followed Carl Barks.
>
> Is it? The *art* I mean! Isn't it more a question of putting many
> details into a panel, which at the same time depict a humorous
> situation. That doesn't define "good art" in my humble opinion. Real art
> is something like Al Hubbard or Carl Buettner and those gentlemen
> weren't "smooth" but classes above Don. But it doesn't matter, really,
> since Don made it work.
>
> > Carl Barks set a standard too high for anyone.
>
> Yes. Yet, certain Dutch artists apparently strive for getting to this
> hight and it's difficult to understand why since they can draw just
> about anything in any given style they wish. Strange.
>
> > It was always disappointing as a kid to see Scrooge stories after Carl
> > retired.
> > Not until Don Rosa did Son of the Sun did I really enjoy U. Scrooge
> > stories again.
>
> By coincidence I was born in 1966, so the disappointments I might have
> had were of a different nature ;-)
>
> > S?ren, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, even in this case,
> > when it is wrong.
>
> Thank you. Funny, I didn't know that opinions could be wrong (with the
> possible exception of one John McCain but that's another story).
>
> S?ren
>
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Dear Dux,

dux at ca.rr.com wrote:
> My, my, my! A lot of typical sour grapes and sour attitudes out there regarding Don's work,

Huh? I got the impression that my views were rather rare. Now being
classified as "typical" is new to me.

But Dux (your real name is probably a secret), sorry, think you missed
the point. My list contains many positive things, so please consider
those as little sweet cherries amongst the sour grapes. I'd like to view
stories on a gray scale rather than making everything black or white.

> which only happens to be the best stuff out there since Carl Barks, bar none.
> But that's only my humblest of *opinions.*

I have heard that before, frequently, and I respect that point of view.
Many of my friends share exactly that opinion and thank heaven for not
just having the same opinion about everything.

Wondering about your age though. Sounds like some juvenile outburst(?)

S?ren

On 2.10.2008, at 16:16, Gary Leach wrote:
> I'm not real sure why we have that comparatively relaxed view of the
> matter. For all I know it goes back to our colonialization, when it
> would have made a great deal of sense to open reproductive
> opportunities out as far and wide as prevailing legal, religious and
> social mores could be persuaded to allow.
Here's the really interesting thing: You don't. The U.S. has the
strictest marriage rules of the "western democracies"; the widespread
(though not universal) ban on first cousin marriages is actually harsh
compared to european standards. So the real question is, what do the
greeks have up their arse?

With respect,
Herbert Snorrason

> the widespread
> (though not universal) ban on first cousin marriages is actually harsh
> compared to european standards. So the real question is, what do the
> greeks have up their arse?

I don't know for certain, but I would be surprised if marriage between first
cousins is allowed in Greece, either.

In any case, the reasons for same sibling marriages not being allowed, unless
done at the same time, are not legal, but religious, and the law simply
codifies what religion/tradition dictates. Part of the Greek orthodox marriage
ceremony (which, until relatively recently, was the only kind of marriage
recognized in Greece, if you were a Greek orthodox) states that "the two will
become one flesh", and this is interpreted literally, rather than as a
euphemism for sex. If you become "one flesh" with your spouse, then their
siblings obviously become your siblings, so your siblings can't marry them.

This "one flesh" interpretation has other consequences as well. If two spouses
have children from previous marriages, then these children cannot marry, and,
even weirder, the divorced/widowed parents of two spouses cannot marry, either!

Kriton.
-----
"If you are going to interfere in my life again, the least you can do is
get a decent phone line!"
-----

The unpublished-in-the-story hint in "Return to Xanadu" relating to HD&L's
parents was, of course, printed in Rosa's essay accompanying the reprint of
the story in Uncle $crooge 357. I have no idea how M.J. Prior got the idea
that the hint pointed to their being in Scotland (or did I misunderstand
your posting?). The hint points to their being in the vicinity of Tralla La.
That would account for their being out of contact with Calisota and the rest
of the world. In Rosa's essay he says that the hint "was meant to establish
a basis for another story set in Tralla La which would involve a plot that
Duckfans were asking me to undertake 19 years ago, and for which I still get
a few requests each week. Take a look and see if you can guess what that as
yet unrevealed 'secret of Tralla La' is!" In the deleted section, the high
lama says to HD&L: "I wish to speak to you three on another matter.... My
aide, Lahdee Dah, tells me your names are Huey, Dewey and Louis...of the
land of Duckburg? ["well, yes, that's correct," they reply] Tralla La has
many secrets...but one unspoken truth involves you children! But for now, I
can tell you no more! If you do not succeed in saving our valley, this truth
matters not! But if you do succeed, return here and we will speak!"

Clearly the story some Duckfans have been asking Rosa to write is the story
that explains what became of HD&L's parents. My understanding is that
putting them in the vicinity of Tralla La was the only way Rosa could find
in the Duck universe to have them be alive but unable to contact the kids.
(My godson at age 10 wanted the parents to have had to go into outer space
for some reason to save the world; this plot similarly keeps them alive in a
place where no contact was possible. But that's like a silly superhero story
to Rosa, not something that could happen in the "real life" duck universe.)

Elaine

Elaine writes :

>The hint points to their being in the vicinity of Tralla La.
> That would account for their being out of contact with Calisota and the
> rest
> of the world.

This idea makes sence to me, and I like it.

Don Rosa once point out that the story of HD&L parents return, would never
had a happy end. They either would have to vanish agian on the end, all take
the boys away from Donald (and I somehow can imagine having a scene with
HD&L telling their parents "Look, Unca Donald did take care of us, you
didn't, so we prefer to stay with him. Sorry...") Than agian "The Simpsons"
didn't had a problem showing a story of Homers Mother abanding him and
returning, withouth making it too sad, so I wonder if ther could be a way
to do somthing similar in a duck story... I seen some stories that had some
very totchy/sad moments and where done pretty well... There was this
Italian story where one of HD&L gets lost during a scubadiving mission, and
Donald and two othe boys think his dead, and emotions where shown In a great
way, without making it to sad for kids, or another story where Child servise
try to take HD&L away from Donald, and was handle in a very mature way...
Anny way, I truly don't see a problem with a HD&L parents returns, and I
don't see how it would ruin the Duck-continuity...

[Actually many writers don't care about continuity in Duck-univers set by
Carl Barks... Two days ago I read a story where Scrooge wanted to buy a
castle in Scotland beacose he NEVER had one... Oh, well...]

>"I wish to speak to you three on another matter.... My
> aide, Lahdee Dah, tells me your names are Huey, Dewey and Louis...of the
> land of Duckburg? ["well, yes, that's correct," they reply] Tralla La has
> many secrets...but one unspoken truth involves you children! But for now,
> I
> can tell you no more! If you do not succeed in saving our valley, this
> truth
> matters not! But if you do succeed, return here and we will speak!"

"Lahdee Dah" sounds a bit like a anaram for "Della"... Or I just got
obsesive? ;)

> (My godson at age 10 wanted the parents to have had to go into outer space
> for some reason to save the world;

Kids often have the most clever ideas :)

To bad the story of Della returning will never happend... But who knows?
Maybe one day...