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Hello !

Could somebody please help me with the following references in bill Walsh
and Floyd Gottfredson's "The World of Tomorrow"?

They appear in the strip of August 19, 19, depicting the school of the
future.

"Tyrone Pyrone" must be Tyrone Powell,

and "Benny Betterman" is obviously "Benny Goodman",

but who are "Lenore Grable" and "Will Bill Hamm"?

Thanks!

Olivier

Greetings!

That should be actor Tyrone Power.? Betty Grable is correct for Lenore
Grable: the best I can do for "Lenore" is French actress Lenore Aubert
who appeared in low-budget Hollywood movies.

"Wild Bill Hamm" must refer to famous cowboy Wild Bill Hickock.

Best Wishes!

L. Schulte

?Tyrone Pyrone? must be Tyrone Powell,

and ?Benny Betterman? is obviously ?Benny Goodman?,

but who are ?Lenore Grable? and ?Will Bill Hamm??

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Greetings!

That should be actor Tyrone Power.? Betty Grable is correct for Lenore
Grable: the best I can do for "Lenore" is French actress Lenore Aubert
who appeared in low-budget Hollywood movies.

"Wild Bill Hamm" must refer to famous cowboy Wild Bill Hickock.

Best Wishes!

L. Schulte

?Tyrone Pyrone? must be Tyrone Powell,

and ?Benny Betterman? is obviously ?Benny Goodman?,

but who are ?Lenore Grable? and ?Will Bill Hamm??

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It makes little sense for this to be a reference to Wild Bill Hickok,
who died a lifetime before, in the context of spoofing famous current
actors. More likely the reference is to (Wild) Bill Elliott, who
starred in various westerns and the popular serials shown alongside
the lead features at movie theatres at the time. See
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0254381/ and books.google.com (search for
Wild Bill Elliott: a complete filmography).
The 'wild' epithet came along after Elliott played the role Wild Bill
Saunders three times. then Wild Bill Hickok a dozen times between 1940
and 1942, followed by one appearance as Wild Bill Tolliver. He would
then star in eight serials under the character name Wild Bill Elliott
between 1943-1944, the last of which, Hidden Valley Outlaws, premiered
on April 2nd 1944.
One can speculate that his rise to stardom may have affected his self
image, and by anyone but the matinee audience of children (remember
the Barks one-pager?) he would be considered a "ham".
He went on to portray the Red Ryder in sixteen more appearances, and
star in his own comics series between 1950 and 1955. The next year Red
Ryder Comics too folded, and the golden age of the western was over.
Elliott's last five movies, 1955-1957, starred him as a police
lieutenant in modern Los Angeles.
I hope this info from the Interwebs is helpful.

- Ole

>>>>> It makes little sense for this to be a reference to Wild Bill Hickok,
who died a lifetime before,
>>>>> in the context of spoofing famous current actors.

I know, but I couldn't think of anyone else.

>>>>> More likely the reference is to (Wild) Bill Elliott, who starred in
various westerns
>>>> and the popular serials shown alongside the lead features at movie
theatres at the time.
[...]
>>>>> One can speculate that his rise to stardom may have affected his self
image, and by anyone
>>>>> but the matinee audience of children (remember the Barks one-pager?)
he would be considered a "ham".

Excellent!
I would have thought such a thing to be hard to find on the Net or simply
imdb, buried among millions of results pertaining solely to Hickok; were you
aware of this actor, or did you do a much better research job than I?

Thank you very much, Ole!
I am correcting this right after sending my e-mail; I can still make a new
photocopy of the sheet containing this strip (all the strips and panels I
have selected are on separate sheets, so 8 copies only need to be replaced).

I will also copy your reply on the Disney Comics Forum, where I had posted
my question as well.

Have a nice week-end, and a happy Easter!

Olivier

>>>>> It makes little sense for this to be a reference to Wild Bill Hickok,
who died a lifetime before,
>>>>> in the context of spoofing famous current actors.

I know, but I couldn't think of anyone else.

>>>>> More likely the reference is to (Wild) Bill Elliott, who starred in
various westerns
>>>> and the popular serials shown alongside the lead features at movie
theatres at the time.
[...]
>>>>> One can speculate that his rise to stardom may have affected his self
image, and by anyone
>>>>> but the matinee audience of children (remember the Barks one-pager?)
he would be considered a "ham".

Excellent!
I would have thought such a thing to be hard to find on the Net or simply
imdb, buried among millions of results pertaining solely to Hickok; were you
aware of this actor, or did you do a much better research job than I?

Thank you very much, Ole!
I am correcting this right after sending my e-mail; I can still make a new
photocopy of the sheet containing this strip (all the strips and panels I
have selected are on separate sheets, so 8 copies only need to be replaced).

I will also copy your reply on the Disney Comics Forum, where I had posted
my question as well.

Have a nice week-end, and a happy Easter!

Olivier

Olivier wrote:

>I would have thought such a thing to be hard to find on the Net or simply
>imdb, buried among millions of results pertaining solely to Hickok; were you
>aware of this actor, or did you do a much better research job than I?

Google's helpful completion suggestion when typing in searches was
somewhat helpful, if I remember correctly, but I was around "Wild
Bill's Ham Sticks" too. Unfortunately Wild Bill's Foods were founded a
decade later.
Otherwise my knowledge of Elliott was limited to the aforementioned
comic books, published by Dell.
Which was a pointer in the direction, as you probably figured the
reference to Dell founder George Delacorte with the videophone
bellydancer Rita Delacorte a few strips earlier.

>Thank you very much, Ole!
>I am correcting this right after sending my e-mail; I can still make a new
>photocopy of the sheet containing this strip (all the strips and panels I
>have selected are on separate sheets, so 8 copies only need to be replaced).

Are you doing an expo of some kind, or a very limited print run fan
publication?

Gary wrote:

>I refer to the term "ham hock", an item with which Barks would have been very familiar from his earliest years. As a play on words, Wild Bill Ham Hock >would have been a natural for Wild Bill Hickok, had Barks been dealing in historical figures rather than actors. Still, Elliott's close association with Hickok--as >your info says, he played him a dozen times--was no doubt known to Barks, and between that and Elliott also no doubt being seen as a bit of a "ham" might >very well have been what cemented the use of that appellation.
>
> Merest speculation, I know, but that's what contemplating the creative impulse is all about!

Good point. I found my own suggestion a little far fetched myself.
Even if this is not a Barks story, the pun would be in his spirit, and
like you say, the two Wild Bills would be almost interchangable at
that time. If anything, the double M in Hamm could be intended to
point to Elliott, spelled with both double L and T.

But with Barks and today's ancient Egyptian holidays in mind, let's
take a look at Barks' W WDC 151 story, The Easter Parade Marshall. One
of several stories where an editor decided to change the dialogue.
After Gladstone has poured kerosene over Donalds candy, and the
children are understandably angry with him, on page 4, panel 4, Donald
says "Well, I'll show him that CLEAN play can beat dirty play,
anytime!"
Not really funny, is it? Now, to me, it looks as if the word "play" on
both occasions have substituted slightly longer words, probably by
Barks' own hand.
What would be a funny pun here, and one which needed to be edited?
I'm thinking that maybe the line should read: "...clean sweets can
beat dirty treats..."!
Two idiomatic expressions, clean sheet, and dirty linen, are implied -
which might be considered inappropriate in a children's book.
Also dirty tricks are jumping to mind (trick or treat), and sweets and
treats rhyme...
But perhaps first language English speakers can puzzle out the
original funny better?

- ole

Hi all,

This is a very random query: Does anyone recall reference to orange juice in any duck comic from the 1940s, 1950s, or 1960s? The only that I know of is in "Island in the Sky" (1959) where the nephews open cans of orange juice only to discover they're actually cans of rocket fuel. If anyone knows of one--or comes across one at some point--please let me know!

Thanks!

Robert Hutchings
Pittsburgh