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Topic: Looking for 1990-1995 Mickey Mouse newspaper strips

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Review Or Die
In the front section of "Race to Death Valley", you can see the Mickey Mouse newspaper strip, when written by Floyd Norman, became full-on adventure strips again. Unfortunately, I'm having a horrible time tracking things down - I don't exactly know a lot of newspaper comic collectors in the Fantagraphics/IDW/Hermes era, let alone people who clipped them on their own. And when it comes to say, looking at a microfiche, I don't even know what papers ran the strip - the final (unfinished) story was only running in fifteen papers at the time.
If anyone knows someone willing to sell/copy their collection, or even what paper it ran in, I'd really appreciate the help, because I'm pretty stuck. Thanks.
Timoro
All I know San Jose Mercury News used to have it on its pages late 90's. It was available back then at their web pages. I regret deeply I never saved any of them.
Timo
Ramapith
Quote from user: Review Or DieAnd when it comes to say, looking at a microfiche, I don't even know what papers ran the strip - the final (unfinished) story was only running in fifteen papers at the time.
The unfinished serial was never published, AFAIK. At that time, only when each Mickey serial was fully drawn at Disney would it be turned over to King Features for publication. Since production on this one was stopped midway, it never reached that point.
Review Or Die
Quote from user: ramapithQuote from user: Review Or DieAnd when it comes to say, looking at a microfiche, I don't even know what papers ran the strip - the final (unfinished) story was only running in fifteen papers at the time.
The unfinished serial was never published, AFAIK. At that time, only when each Mickey serial was fully drawn at Disney would it be turned over to King Features for publication. Since production on this one was stopped midway, it never reached that point.

Ah, that makes sense, thank you for the explanation!

I did find a lead - King Features directed me to a paper in Pennsylvania, the Intelligencer, that they know published it during 1991-1995. The local library has the material of microfiche, but interlibrary loan is 10 per customer per loan. And it takes about a month for the material to arrive. I contacted them to see if there was a way to work around this, because basic math will tell you how this is basically impossible to work out, but they explained there honestly wasn't.

So unless anyone in Pennsylvania is near the Bucks County Public Library or that system in general, and really, really wants copies of the comic strip that they'd be willing to scan and send... I'm kind of stuck at this point.

Fun fact: King Features records appeared to be so limited as to what papers carried the strip that they simply could not provide me more than information that their comics blog guy happened to know off of the top of his head. And he happened to know of exactly two papers - the Doyles Intelligencer from 1991-1995, and the The Syracuse (N.Y.) Herald-Journal in 1991 - that carried the strip. Yikes.
Robb_K
Quote from user: ramapithQuote from user: Review Or DieAnd when it comes to say, looking at a microfiche, I don't even know what papers ran the strip - the final (unfinished) story was only running in fifteen papers at the time.
The unfinished serial was never published, AFAIK. At that time, only when each Mickey serial was fully drawn at Disney would it be turned over to King Features for publication. Since production on this one was stopped midway, it never reached that point.

Does that mean that the second half of the daily strips that made up that story were never drawn in ANY form (not even storyboard sketches) If they WERE drawn, maybe a current artist could ink them, and then the story could be published together with all that artist's other Mickey Mouse stories??
Ramapith
Quote from user: Robb_KDoes that mean that the second half of the daily strips that made up [the final, unfinished daily strip] story were never drawn in ANY form (not even storyboard sketches)
Actually, at the time the axe fell, the strips of the story were being penciled and inked out of order??for reasons unknown today. The surviving strips, some in pencil and others in ink, seem to equate to a little under half of the story, mostly from the middle and climax. Neither sketches nor a script have yet surfaced for the first part. It would be a profoundly difficult story to complete.

The artist was the late (and great!) Rick Hoover, who drew a lot of other material for Disney in the 1990s. He had a very unique style, which would make completing the story even harder...

I'd like to hope that more of it will turn up someday, negating the need to do much more than inking the strips that were left uninked. From what survives right now, it's an interesting adventure with Mickey, Goofy, and Horace in France, up against a nobleman mad scientist.
Mesterius
Thanks for this in-depth info, David. I've been wondering about the particulars of this unfinished story.

Quote from user: ramapithNeither sketches nor a script have yet surfaced for the first part. It would be a profoundly difficult story to complete.
I assume that means Floyd Norman doesn't have a script (or script sketches) for it either? I was kind of hoping he might still have that material... I'd love to see the story finished myself.

By the way, there's something I've been wanting to ask regarding the final Mickey continuity that DID run in American newspapers back in 1995. In Floyd Norman's interesting essay on his work on the Mickey daily strip, "One Mouse, two Floyds", he talks at one point about the moment when Disney and King Features decided to end the Mickey strip:

Quote:With Mickey Mouse in fewer than thirty newspapers, both companies realized that Mickey's time was nearing the end of a long and successful run. I thought long and hard about the final strip I would write.
Does this mean, then, that the final Mickey strip which DID run in newspapers provided a finale of some sorts, acknowledging that it was the last strip and giving the feel of an ending? And... might that also be directly connected with the unfinished story being halted midway through production? (I can picture KFS and Disney suddenly deciding to end the strip sooner than Norman and Hoover had thought, prompting Norman to quickly write a farewell strip at the end of the last story which actually got published.)
Robb_K
Quote from user: MesteriusThanks for this in-depth info, David. I've been wondering about the particulars of this unfinished story.

Quote from user: ramapithNeither sketches nor a script have yet surfaced for the first part. It would be a profoundly difficult story to complete.
I assume that means Floyd Norman doesn't have a script (or script sketches) for it either? I was kind of hoping he might still have that material... I'd love to see the story finished myself.

By the way, there's something I've been wanting to ask regarding the final Mickey continuity that DID run in American newspapers back in 1995. In Floyd Norman's interesting essay on his work on the Mickey daily strip, "One Mouse, two Floyds", he talks at one point about the moment when Disney and King Features decided to end the Mickey strip:

Quote:With Mickey Mouse in fewer than thirty newspapers, both companies realized that Mickey's time was nearing the end of a long and successful run. I thought long and hard about the final strip I would write.
Does this mean, then, that the final Mickey strip which DID run in newspapers provided a finale of some sorts, acknowledging that it was the last strip and giving the feel of an ending? And... might that also be directly connected with the unfinished story being halted midway through production? (I can picture KFS and Disney suddenly deciding to end the strip sooner than Norman and Hoover had thought, prompting Norman to quickly write a farewell strip at the end of the last story which actually got published.)

I hope they can recover all the storyboards and all the pencils, and that a current artist can copy the style and complete the story, and the newly-completed story can be published together with all the other Floyd Norman Mickey Mouse continuity strip stories in one book. I'd also like to see a Manny Gonzales Mickey Mouse anthology, including all his work on the dailies and Sunday strip, and any other Disney Comics work.
Mesterius
Quote from user: Robb_KI hope they can recover all the storyboards and all the pencils, and that a current artist can copy the style and complete the story, and the newly-completed story can be published together with all the other Floyd Norman Mickey Mouse continuity strip stories in one book. I'd also like to see a Manny Gonzales Mickey Mouse anthology, including all his work on the dailies and Sunday strip, and any other Disney Comics work.
Robb_K, I heartily agree on that first part... I'd love a book collection of Floyd Norman's Mickey continuities myself. :) But... "one book"? Judging by that Inducks list, Norman's continuities for the Mickey strip originally ran in papers for more than five and a half years, from January 15, 1990 until July 29, 1995 (that's the final date listed for the last published story, according to Inducks). I'd guess all that content would require about THREE books, at least if we're thinking the same format/style as The Floyd Gottfredson Library.

As for Manuel Gonzales, I'd be most interested in collecting his years on the Sunday strip which included longer adventure stories. Many of his gag Sundays can be wonderful, but the adventure stuff is what I'm interested in most of all, as far as the Mickey strip is concerned.
Robb_K
Quote from user: MesteriusQuote from user: Robb_KI hope they can recover all the storyboards and all the pencils, and that a current artist can copy the style and complete the story, and the newly-completed story can be published together with all the other Floyd Norman Mickey Mouse continuity strip stories in one book. I'd also like to see a Manny Gonzales Mickey Mouse anthology, including all his work on the dailies and Sunday strip, and any other Disney Comics work.
Robb_K, I heartily agree on that first part... I'd love a book collection of Floyd Norman's Mickey continuities myself. :) But... "one book"? Judging by that Inducks list, Norman's continuities for the Mickey strip originally ran in papers for more than five and a half years, from January 15, 1990 until July 29, 1995 (that's the final date listed for the last published story, according to Inducks). I'd guess all that content would require about THREE books, at least if we're thinking the same format/style as The Floyd Gottfredson Library.

As for Manuel Gonzales, I'd be most interested in collecting his years on the Sunday strip which included longer adventure stories. Many of his gag Sundays can be wonderful, but the adventure stuff is what I'm interested in most of all, as far as the Mickey strip is concerned.

A 3 book single boxed set sounds good for Norman's work. I'm most interested in Mickey Mouse continuity stories, rather than gag-a-day strips. But Manny's art was so nice, I'd like to get it all. But, then, if Fantagraphics were to be the publisher, I might just rather they start with his continuity stories, as I will already be 78 years old when the Barks series is finished, 79 or 80 when Gottfredson is done. So, I won't have a LOT of time to enjoy books started after that.
Review Or Die
In the case of the Manuel Gonzales stuff, if there is a collection of his work, I hope it follows the Gottfredson box set example and collects the whole of his work - up to a certain cutting off point, at least, also the way they did for Gottfredson.
For the case of a box set of Floyd Norman's work - I am all for that. Even if it was a lower budget softcover title, I'd still buy it in a heartbeat. The artwork I've seen looks gorgeous, and the idea of these short stories is so intriguing to me. Understanding compact storytelling from someone who seemed to actually get why Mickey could be compelling is just too fascinating to not go on my shopping list.
Mesterius
Quote from user: Review Or DieIn the case of the Manuel Gonzales stuff, if there is a collection of his work, I hope it follows the Gottfredson box set example and collects the whole of his work - up to a certain cutting off point, at least, also the way they did for Gottfredson.
Does anyone know when Gonzales stopped drawing continuities and concentrated entirely on gag Sundays? I'm guessing maybe his 'continuity' years could be fitted into one or two books.

Quote:For the case of a box set of Floyd Norman's work - I am all for that. Even if it was a lower budget softcover title, I'd still buy it in a heartbeat. The artwork I've seen looks gorgeous, and the idea of these short stories is so intriguing to me. Understanding compact storytelling from someone who seemed to actually get why Mickey could be compelling is just too fascinating to not go on my shopping list.
I must admit I'm not the biggest fan of the artwork myself - though it's decent - but I want this for Floyd Norman's stories and to get the final years of the strip. (And I'm open-minded towards a softcover edition if that should make it more feasible.) There's just something satisfying about knowing that this once-terrific strip, which was sadly limited to gag-a-day strips for 35 years, suddenly switched back to adventure stories for the last five years of its existence. It feels like an appropriate way of capping off. And I love reading about how Norman fought for that, even if he was only allowed to write stories lasting four weeks or shorter.
Review Or Die
To be honest, I prefer the artwork to the 'house' style of places like Egmont, and immensely over the plastic artwork of Gottfredson's later years. Reading even the few unfinished strips at the beginning, before I ever got to Gottfredson's work, it felt like the Mickey I was familiar with.
I have low quality versions of some of the strips, mostly the gaggier material, but they're so small it's awfully hard for me to comment on the specifics of the art. That's a big part of why I wanted to get copies from the Intelligencer - they printed the strip in a very nice size.
Looking over Mr. Gonzales' Inducks page though, it seems it was all pretty much gag a day stuff during his tenure on the Sunday strip, with Brave Little Tailor being the only exception. Still, if Fantagraphics did decide to do a collection of the non-adventure Gottfredson years (I admit I was not terribly impressed by the Mickey work Gottfredson did in the bonus section of Volume 2 of the Sundays, compared to his adventure stories, but I've seen it remarked on this forum that a complete collection is desired), but I still hope they'd include the supplemental volumes of the Sundays in order to complete the collection of his tenure on the strip.
It's just too much to ask, I'm sure, for a Terry and the Pirates style collection with color Sundays. But it would be nice.
That's actually one thing I never figured out, if Floyd Norman's Mickey had any Sunday strips at all. If they did, I certainly can't find any evidence of them, but the strip's hard enough to track down as it is.
Gooey98
I would also be interested in a collection of Norman's continuities. I really liked what I saw of his work in the first Gottfredson Fantagraphics book. I agree with Review or Die in that I was not impressed by Gottfredson's later work in the bonus section of Sundays volume two.
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