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Robb_K
I wanted to look up a Donald Duck Extra, and found that there is indexed information in COA for only up to the mid 1990s. There is no information on Groot Vakantieboek, and only partial information on Donald Duck and Andere Verhalen.
Is anyone working on finishing these data bases? I had thought that The Dutch books had been indexed long ago, and were up-to-date, other than recent rleases in current publications.
Ramapith
Quote from user: Robb_KI wanted to look up a Donald Duck Extra, and found that there is indexed information in COA for only up to the mid 1990s. There is no information on Groot Vakantieboek, and only partial information on Donald Duck and Andere Verhalen.
Wak! Lemme help you, Rob. We do have a complete Extra index, and you'll find it here: http://coa.inducks.org/publication.php?c=nl/DE
While here's the Vakantieboek index: http://coa.inducks.org/publication.php?c=nl/DDVB
There were several different series of Andere Verhalen, so jump around the Dutch index root page a bit; you'll probably find other titles with that name besides the one you looked at before.
Hope this aids you!
Robb_K
Thanks, David.
I guess my problem is using the COA search function. When I listed Groot Vakantieboek and just Vakantieboek, it told me there was no listing for those entries. I was in the DD Extra pages, and it just stopped in the middle of 1996! Maybe COA's computer burped just when I was searching?
Robb_K
David, can you please give me a link to the Groot Winterboek listings? When I use the search function, I get no entries. they should make the search function more user friendly. I type in the country (Netherlands), and the appropriate book name, and nothing ever comes up. Shouldn't that send me to thepage with the list of those books?
Ramapith
Quote from user: Robb_KI type in the country (Netherlands), and the appropriate book name, and nothing ever comes up.
Where are you typing in the country?
On the COA home page (http://coa.inducks.org/index.php), the thing to do is choose the country (not type it in) from a dropdown menu titled "Countries." Then type "Winterboek" into the Publications field just to the right??hit enter, and you'll get a nice list of all indexed Dutch comics with "Winterboek" in the title.
When you refer to typing in the country, I can only imagine you've been manually typing "Netherlands" into the Keywords field on either the COA home page or the COA advanced search page (http://coa.inducks.org/comp.php). If that's what you've been doing, then I think I know why you haven't been getting results??the Keywords field is for story-related keywords, not issue-related keywords. The COA is primarily a search engine to search by story.
This is not to say you can't search by issue. But the way to do that is to click on "Publications" from the menubar that's at the top of all COA pages. You'll then see a list of countries: click "Netherlands" and that will bring you to a list of all Dutch comics titles for which issues have thus far been indexed.
Hope this solves your problems!
Alternately, a basic Winterboek index is here: http://coa.inducks.org/publication.php?c=nl/DDWB
Robb_K
Thanks for the information and advice. I should be able to search for individual issues in COA now.
Cacou
The titles are entered as "Winterboek" and "Vakantieboek" in Inducks, without "Groot" (possibly because the latest issues are as far as I can tell named "Winterboek" and "Vakantieboek"). This means looking for "Groot" won't work. You could still find them with "Vakantieboek". You might select "Netherlands" or not, except that the search is slower without any country selected.
But as Ramapith suggested, if you can't find a particular title, go to the publications list of that country. Things will probably be easier here (using the different "categories"). For Netherlands, almost everything has been indexed, I think.
Bence
Are the decision-makers at the Dutch Sanoma publishing house really as incompetent as they seem?
I didn't want to open a separate thread for this, so I decided to post this here, in one of the few Dutch Disney comics realted topics. We have often heard from Don Rosa how foolish the people at the Dutch publishing house are, and we know how they refused to collaborate with him before publishing the "Het levensverhaal van Dagobert Duck" books a couple of years ago.
Today I was browsing Inducks, and stumbled upod this publication: http://coa.inducks.org/issue.php?c=nl/DDSA++3 Not only are they not using Mr. Van Horn's beautiful cover drawn for the comic which is the leading story of the magazine, they are using an abysmal cover made in the Netherlands instead, which COMPLETELY SPOILS the story! Why??? Why was a cover with that huge spoiler made in the first place? Why are they not using William Van Horn's cover for an issue dedicated to William van Horn?
Robb_K
Quote from user: BenceAre the decision-makers at the Dutch Sanoma publishing house really as incompetent as they seem?

I didn't want to open a separate thread for this, so I decided to post this here, in one of the few Dutch Disney comics related topics. We have often heard from Don Rosa how foolish the people at the Dutch publishing house are, and we know how they refused to collaborate with him before publishing the "Het levensverhaal van Dagobert Duck" books a couple of years ago.

Today I was browsing Inducks, and stumbled upon this publication: http://coa.inducks.org/issue.php?c=nl/DDSA++3 Not only are they not using Mr. Van Horn's beautiful cover drawn for the comic which is the leading story of the magazine, they are using an abysmal cover made in the Netherlands instead, which COMPLETELY SPOILS the story! Why??? Why was a cover with that huge spoiler made in the first place? Why are they not using William Van Horn's cover for an issue dedicated to William van Horn?

Dutch Disney Comics (Margriet/Oberon/Geillustreerde Pers/VNU/Sanoma Uitgevers has, from thier beginnings, in 1952, had the policy of drawing their own magazine covers. Daan Jippes drew many for Weeklies featuring Barks stories, and for books containing only Barks material, and Michel Nadorp has, in recent years, been drawing covers for many, if not most, Dutch issues. They often re-drew specific US covers, into their own style. This is not a slap against Don Rosa and William Van Horn, but a policy that they have long had in place. I'm not saying that I would do what they are doing if I were Chef Redacteur, but just explaining why that has occurred. I believe that they want a uniform style seen on the front of each book, which is clearly recognisable as a Dutch comic book. For your information, I have always heard that Don Rosa's art style was not liked very much by The Dutch Editors (including Chief Editor, Thom Roep). So much so, that Rosa's stories were rarely in the showcase book (Donald Duck Weekly), and were relegated to the less expensive monthly
Donald Duck extra, and special reprint books, such as Groot Winterboek, Groot Vacantieboek, and the like. They knew there was a cult following for Don's work, so, they did ultimately print most of his stories, but they certainly didn't feature it. I don't think the current editors like Rosa's art all that much, and apparently, they are only luke warm to Van Horn's despite his (like myself) having Dutch heritage).
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