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Topic: Happy 75th Birthday Donald!

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MrCleveland
Hey Don...
Happy 75th B-Day! You haven't really aged!
Roger North
Quote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: Roger NorthI don't know about what Carl Barks would think about Flemming Anderson drawing Scrooge McDuck. Unfortunately Barks died before Anderson started working on Disney Duck comics.
No, he didn't.

I'm Sorry I didn't know that. Of Course I didn't keep track of what artist did what story back then.
Lars Jensen
Quote from user: Roger NorthQuote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: Roger NorthI don't know about what Carl Barks would think about Flemming Anderson drawing Scrooge McDuck. Unfortunately Barks died before Anderson started working on Disney Duck comics.
No, he didn't.

I'm Sorry I didn't know that. Of Course I didn't keep track of what artist did what story back then.

I wrote about Flemming Andersen and Carl Barks earlier in this thread, Roger. But that's OK. You can't read everything.
Coolwater
Quote from user: Robb KI'd guess that he wouldn't feel that The Italians "did WRONG" by changing so much from the classic American style (as Barks' "purist" fans might). He'd likely feel that the classic US style isn't sacred, and there is room in art for various styles. He did say (also), "They certainly have a lot going on in their panels!"
If Barks's style is the classic US style, then no one else of his American contemporaries and fellow bondmen of Western Publishing came even close to the heights of that style with their drawings. Whom should one give the title of being the second-best of the old American Duck artists? Strobl? Bradbury? Wright??? Whomever one elects, I would hardly classify one of those as a really "good" artist. The "classic" American comic book Donald: one giant and many dwarfs!

Certainly, even if their Duckburg looks a bit "different", the good Italians (I don't necessarily mean Perego ;)) created stories much more noteworthy and with the potential of becoming "classics" than the non-Barkses of old America. It was not until the actual post-Barks era that good artists emerged who went on producing Duck stories in the tradition the classic Barksian style: Vicar, Branca, Bolster, Milton, Jippes, Heymans, Reiche, Rota ...

Quote from user: Lars JensenWhen Carl Barks visited Denmark in 1994, he got a drawing Flemming Andersen had made for him. (See http://coa.inducks.org/story.php/x/DF+CBCO+22F .) Barks was very impressed.
Maybe he didn't have his glasses on in that moment ... ;)
Lars Jensen
Quote from user: CoolwaterQuote from user: Lars JensenWhen Carl Barks visited Denmark in 1994, he got a drawing Flemming Andersen had made for him. (See http://coa.inducks.org/story.php/x/DF+CBCO+22F .) Barks was very impressed.
Maybe he didn't have his glasses on in that moment ... ;)

Barks wouldn't have needed to. He had good taste. :)

And I disagree with you about Tony Strobl and Jack Bradbury, by the way. In my opinion, they were both good artists. Although I do much prefer Bradbury's Mouse work to his Duck work. I'm not sure which Wright you were referring to, but assuming you meant Kay W, I must admit I have a weakness for his Beagle Boy and Moby Duck stories. (If you meant Bill Wright, he did some excellent work on Mickey Mouse and Goofy.)

And, of course, Al Hubbard was brilliant on Fethry Duck (and Scamp). Read http://ramapithblog.blogspot.com/2009/05/sketches-for-fethry-ducks-first.html on David Gerstein's new blog.
Kneon
I never understood why there was so much venom toward Tony Strobl's work. Maybe it's because I'm fairly new to reading Disney comics...?
I am rather fond of Dick Moores, too.
Coolwater
Quote from user: Lars JensenAnd I disagree with you about Tony Strobl and Jack Bradbury, by the way. In my opinion, they were both good artists. Although I do much prefer Bradbury's Mouse work to his Duck work. I'm not sure which Wright you were referring to, but assuming you meant Kay W, I must admit I have a weakness for his Beagle Boy and Moby Duck stories. (If you meant Bill Wright, he did some excellent work on Mickey Mouse and Goofy.)
I mean Kay Wright. Some time ago, on the German Disney forum a commendable donaldist expressed the opinion that the completions of Barks's Junior Woodchucks stories by Kay Wright and companions were better than those by Daan Jippes! :D

In think there is much nostalgia that blurs the sight when it comes to an objective estimation of the old Americans. Everyone who scrawled around for the American Disney comics before 1970 is a "classic". However, in my eyes, it is the glaring sun Carl Barks whose light rays onto these little straying boulders.

Strobl and Bradbury are--acceptable (but not Kay Wright :P). I wouldn't call them actually "good" artists. Vicar, who is something like the experienced artist of the modern un-ingenious Barks-rooted "standard" style is definitely better than those two.

Quote:And, of course, Al Hubbard was brilliant on Fethry Duck (and Scamp). Read http://ramapithblog.blogspot.com/2009/05/sketches-for-fethry-ducks-first.html on David Gerstein's new blog.
That stuff maybe looked good if Hubbard had inked those shivery pencil drawings properly. :D
Coolwater
Quote from user: KneonI am rather fond of Dick Moores, too.
I'd put Moores somewhere on the same level as Strobl and Bradbury. He's not really too bad, I find, however, that his Ducks look too stiff and un-expressive

http://outducks.org/us/os/0659/us_os_0659_03_001.jpg

Some non-Duck stuff of him looks really nifty. I guess there is some real difference to drawing a "funny" with a desired economical-plane and naive-kidly layout

http://lambiek.net/artists/m/moores_d/moores.jpg

http://lambiek.net/artists/m/moores_d/moores_jimhardy.jpg

(Dick Moores)

At least I don't like these "cute" bunnies so much than those noir-style cars on the top ...

http://lambiek.net/artists/m/moores_d/moores_dick_brabbit.jpg
Robb_K
I don't think any of the American artists that worked for Western were anywhere near to Barks. But that doesn't make them "bad" or "poor" artists. Murray, Strobl, Moores, and Bradbury were all good artists in their own right, I just didn't like their styles for The Ducks and Duck Universe, as I'd been introduced to Barks first. Strobl did fine work, as far as I'm concerned, -especially before 1959 (as shown in his stories printed). If you've seen his pencil drawings, and compared them to the final ink work (don by others), you'd see that he was a good Duck artist. The lines are MUCH, MUCH more fluid, and much more on model than the stiff inked lines of his inkers (especially starting in 1959 printings). I don't like Kay Wright's work, or the work of any of Western's artists after 1958.
In my opinion, Murray's best work was in his 1940s work. I don't like his Mickey Mouse work (especially after 1958). His Bre'r Rabbit, Panchito and oer early work was very nice. I don't like his Ducks at all. Same for Moores. I like his Bre'r Rabbit and Mickey Mouse, but not his Ducks. Bradbury is okay. But, of course, I like Jippes, Milton, Branca, Verhagen, Gulbransson, Rota, Mau Heymans and others more.
I think that only Jippes/Milton came close to Barks, and Jippes alone, mostly when following Barks' scribble lines. Branca's work at his height approaches Barks' '60s work. Too bad he didn't pattern his style after Barks' 1948-1950 style rather than his 1961-63 style!
Coolwater
Quote from user: Robb_KBut, of course, I like Jippes, Milton, Branca, Verhagen, Gulbransson, Rota, Mau Heymans and others more.

I think that only Jippes/Milton came close to Barks, and Jippes alone, mostly when following Barks' scribble lines. Branca's work at his height approaches Barks' '60s work. Too bad he didn't pattern his style after Barks' 1948-1950 style rather than his 1961-63 style!

One Barksoid artist I like particularly is Beatriz Bolster who was active in the eighties. In my eyes, she is clearly better than Vicar and at least as good as Branca. For some reason, however, she is hardly known and noticed, oh, I would even say she is practically un-known and un-noticed. In all the years I've been hanging around in discussions with other Disney comics fans online, in all the quarrels and struggles about the comic art and comic artists, I cannot remember that I've seen anyone (except me) mentioning her name even once. Also in presentations and appreciations of artists in fanzines and the comic magazines themselves I cannot remember anywhere reading her name--one single exception being a short portrait of her within the Duck artists portraits series in the Donald Duck Special magazine, a few years ago.

I don't know why the lady is ignored.

Especially the heads and faces of her Ducks look very nice. She also works atmospherically with black shadows in her panels, and the detail work of her setting also looks very nice (e. g. furniture, treasures).

Index Beatriz Bolster

Examples of Bolster Duck drawings:

http://outducks.org/webusers/webusers/2008/05/de_mm1981_34b_001.jpg

http://outducks.org/webusers/webusers/2006/05/se_mp1984_10c_001.png

http://outducks.org/webusers/webusers/2006/09/br_tp_0272b_001.jpg

http://outducks.org/webusers/webusers/2008/05/de_mm1986_32g_001.jpg
Sirredknee
Okay, then here's a first for you: You can count me in for the Bolster fan club, too! :) But there's also two other great Egmont artists who started at roughly the same time (ca. 1977, when Egmont comics came into their own, imho) and never get a mention, either: Oscar Fernandez (unfortunately comparatively few stories) and Santiago Scalabroni. These three, for me, are in the same league as the more popular and much better known Vicar and Branca.
Robb_K
I like Bolster's and Scalabroni's work significantly better than Vicar's, but not as much as Branca's. I used to think that Bolster was one of the artists in Vicar's studio. I don't like Fernandez' work quite as much as the other two. I put him below Vicar at his best, but on a par with Vicar's good work (better than his average work). Vicar's pencils were often weakened by his lesser inkers. (Although, I must admit that his sample page shown above is a very high quality of Duck work).
I might be a bit partial to Santiago Scalabroni, as he drew many of my stories (especially Gyro Gearloose stories), and through him, I've seen a lot of his non-Disney work, and know that he is a very talented artist in his own right (even without considering his Disney Duck work).
Coolwater
Quote from user: sirredkneeBut there's also two other great Egmont artists who started at roughly the same time (ca. 1977, when Egmont comics came into their own, imho) and never get a mention, either: Oscar Fernandez (unfortunately comparatively few stories) and Santiago Scalabroni. These three, for me, are in the same league as the more popular and much better known Vicar and Branca.
I've looked a bit through examples of their work in the Inducks now. I remember these artists very well from older publications, haven't identified them yet with names. Scalabroni is indeed quite a good one, his art drawings being quite similar to Branca's. I'd also place, however, just as Robb, Fernandez with some distance behind the others. He's okay, but not as good as Branca, Bolster and Scalabroni. He seems to have some problems especially with the Ducks' eyes. His Ducks look a bit, a bit, a bit crackpot, as if they were permanently on ecstasy or something ...
Olivier
A couple of brief off-topic messages:

Henrieke, you've got mail (the content of which actually is on-topic)!
:)

David: you too (for a little while :p )!
;)
WB
Quote:I never understood why there was so much venom toward Tony Strobl's work.
And I never understood why Paul Murry didn't get MORE venom (especially from the mouse fans) as his art declined. XD

In all seriousness, I think its the quality of his late work. His early work is wondeful IMO, but for years all I ever saw (and many others for that matter who came on board late) was his later work which was just...not good at all IMHO. =|

When I later found out that Tony Strobl had a different drawing style all together and that it was GORGEOUS, I was flabbergasted. I later learned that for whatever reason, Strobl's best later work went to the S-Coded stories which all went overseas, and the more subpar stuff was CONSTANTLY filtered through Gold Key's American comics which is what led to his rather bad reputation stateside considering that's all we were flooded with from him for years. Furthermore, its believed he was ASKED to change his detailed style the same was as Barks was to fit the scratchier and less detailed Donald model of that era - which was IMO a crying shame. The same probably went for Murry and his Mickey - though I argue that his decline had already started.

Seriously, his earlier work makes his later work look like doodoo and the same goes for Murry. Murry's earlier work is also gorgeous and I think we never got enough of it. But Strobl's decline was nowhere near as drastic as Murry's IMO. Murry's later work (in my eyes) is just awful. Awful to look at, awful to read, awful to EVERYTHING. :(

Though, both had a one up on Kay Wright whom I personally NEVER HOPE TO SEE IN ANY DISNEY COMIC BOOKS EVER AGAIN. LOL
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