Sorry for opening a new topic to ask a little question, but I didn't saw any suitable topic to post it.
I've readed Rosa's 'Quest for Kalevala' and now I'm wondering: Who is the singer in the story? He knows the place where the pieces of the Sampo are, and at the end of the story he knows about what the ducks had done, though nobody could know it, for it was only done and the singer was the first who met the duck's after that.
I hope you can read my question. My english is very bad.
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Eta Beta
Quest for Kalevala
Message 1 -
2009-05-08 at 15:02:47
Timoro
Quest for Kalevala
Message 2 -
2009-05-08 at 22:05:32
He's Väinämöinen, the eternal bard, kind of old shaman who knows all - central character of Kalevala. Check Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%A4in%C3%A4m%C3%B6inen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%A4in%C3%A4m%C3%B6inen
Eta Beta
Quest for Kalevala
Message 3 -
2009-05-09 at 10:07:33
Thanks for your help, but I have some questions about this:
I first also thought the singer was Vainamoinen, but after reading the story again, it seemed impossible to me:
-When Scrooge calls up Vainamoinen with the Kantele, Vainamoinen says that he has slept for ages (in the Dutch version). But before that, the Duck's have already met the singer, who wasn't sleeping.
-At the end of the story, Vainamoinen goes away with his ship. After that the Ducks meet the singer again. So he can't be Vainamoinen.
Do you know how the singer can be Vainamoinen, despite the arguments mentioned above?
I first also thought the singer was Vainamoinen, but after reading the story again, it seemed impossible to me:
-When Scrooge calls up Vainamoinen with the Kantele, Vainamoinen says that he has slept for ages (in the Dutch version). But before that, the Duck's have already met the singer, who wasn't sleeping.
-At the end of the story, Vainamoinen goes away with his ship. After that the Ducks meet the singer again. So he can't be Vainamoinen.
Do you know how the singer can be Vainamoinen, despite the arguments mentioned above?
Robb_K
Quest for Kalevala
Message 4 -
2009-05-09 at 17:40:58
Hoi Eta (Ega Bevan)! Je Engels is niet slecht.
Perhaps there were some language translation errors in producing the Dutch version?
Perhaps there were some language translation errors in producing the Dutch version?
Eta Beta
Quest for Kalevala
Message 5 -
2009-05-09 at 17:59:58
Maybe. But even then my second argument is still valid. How can Vainamoinen be the singer at the of the story if he has already gone away at that moment?
AC
Quest for Kalevala
Message 6 -
2009-05-09 at 18:50:16
It's because he can travel in fantasy.
I've never read the dutch edition of the story, so there might be something there - but apart from that the explanation may be two different worlds - the Kalevala-universe and the Duckburg-universe.
It's actually a question of suspension of disbelief. If you can't accept the different worlds, how can you accept the talking ducks?
I've never read the dutch edition of the story, so there might be something there - but apart from that the explanation may be two different worlds - the Kalevala-universe and the Duckburg-universe.
It's actually a question of suspension of disbelief. If you can't accept the different worlds, how can you accept the talking ducks?
Lars Jensen
Quest for Kalevala
Message 7 -
2009-05-09 at 21:06:49
Quote from user: ACIt's because he can travel in fantasy.
I've never read the dutch edition of the story, so there might be something there - but apart from that the explanation may be two different worlds - the Kalevala-universe and the Duckburg-universe.
It's actually a question of suspension of disbelief. If you can't accept the different worlds, how can you accept the talking ducks?
Do you mean that there are two different Väinämöinens in the story (one from the real (Duck) universe and one from the mythical (Kalevala poem) universe)? Or that there is a real guy (the folk singer) and then a poetic "extension" of him (Väinämöinen)?
I've never read the dutch edition of the story, so there might be something there - but apart from that the explanation may be two different worlds - the Kalevala-universe and the Duckburg-universe.
It's actually a question of suspension of disbelief. If you can't accept the different worlds, how can you accept the talking ducks?
Do you mean that there are two different Väinämöinens in the story (one from the real (Duck) universe and one from the mythical (Kalevala poem) universe)? Or that there is a real guy (the folk singer) and then a poetic "extension" of him (Väinämöinen)?
AC
Quest for Kalevala
Message 8 -
2009-05-13 at 22:27:08
Yep, something like that.
I searched my correpsondance with Don from last I was reading the story.
He wrote:
Anyway, Väinämöinen was in magical exile and FIGURATIVELY ?sleeping? and not
pursuing his mission of traveling and singing. I thought it would be obvious
that the old man in the hut was Väinämöinen... he was the only person drawn
as a ?human? other than Väinämöinen (in his actual form) and Louhi. Also, I
thought people would notice that the old man was behind a wall in his hut, a
wall that had no gate. I think (without checking) that I also had him saying
that he could not leave his home.
At any rate, it doesn't seem so difficult to understand that the old man in
the hut is Väinämöinen's earthly guise that would enable him to pass among
and communicate with normal people, and that he was "exiled" from this
ability when his supernatural powers were curtailed in his actual form. He
used the guise to help the Ducks on their quest.
And at the end he says that he can now return to his mission as a travelling
folksinger with his kantele (just as he, in his supernatural form, had been
released from exile).
(End of quote)
BTW I apparently just moved into the EU - strangely i drove due north the other day...
I searched my correpsondance with Don from last I was reading the story.
He wrote:
Anyway, Väinämöinen was in magical exile and FIGURATIVELY ?sleeping? and not
pursuing his mission of traveling and singing. I thought it would be obvious
that the old man in the hut was Väinämöinen... he was the only person drawn
as a ?human? other than Väinämöinen (in his actual form) and Louhi. Also, I
thought people would notice that the old man was behind a wall in his hut, a
wall that had no gate. I think (without checking) that I also had him saying
that he could not leave his home.
At any rate, it doesn't seem so difficult to understand that the old man in
the hut is Väinämöinen's earthly guise that would enable him to pass among
and communicate with normal people, and that he was "exiled" from this
ability when his supernatural powers were curtailed in his actual form. He
used the guise to help the Ducks on their quest.
And at the end he says that he can now return to his mission as a travelling
folksinger with his kantele (just as he, in his supernatural form, had been
released from exile).
(End of quote)
BTW I apparently just moved into the EU - strangely i drove due north the other day...
Lars Jensen
Quest for Kalevala
Message 9 -
2009-05-14 at 10:06:22
Ah, OK. Thanks, AC (and Don).
Eta Beta
Quest for Kalevala
Message 10 -
2009-05-14 at 17:39:36
very thanks for your help, all. Now I understand this beautiful story much better.
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