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Topic: Upcoming Gottfredson Library - what will be missing?
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Uncle_Ed
Upcoming Gottfredson Library - what will be missing?
Message 31 -
2008-01-21 at 13:26:38
I think they should release the stories uncensored but if their objective is to appeal to kids too then why not do those stories in a cheaper priced book and a 20.00 collector version. No id or casual buyer is going to buy a 20.00 book on any subject unless they're interested in it. I feel the same way about Song of the South. If you feel that film is offensive then just don't buy it or watch it. No one is forcing anyone to see anything they choose not to.
YoungTrek
Upcoming Gottfredson Library - what will be missing?
Message 32 -
2008-01-21 at 14:53:34
Quote from user: Uncle_EdI think they should release the stories uncensored but if their objective is to appeal to kids too then why not do those stories in a cheaper priced book and a 20.00 collector version. No id or casual buyer is going to buy a 20.00 book on any subject unless they're interested in it. I feel the same way about Song of the South. If you feel that film is offensive then just don't buy it or watch it. No one is forcing anyone to see anything they choose not to.
If they were to go that route (release it as a more expensive, adult collector's item) they could go the DC Archives/Marvel Masterworks route (hardcover, around 300 or more pages, $49.95/$54.95/$59.95). Don't know how well that'd do, sales wise, but if they did go that route I'd certainly expect them to reprint all of the newspaper strips, then! (I'm not as concerned about it being a non-comprehensive, "best of" collection at, say, $20.)
Wait a minute. I just checked. That's exactly what they are doing. Amazon lists this The Floyd Gottfredson Library: The Best of Mickey Mouse - Daily Strips 1930-1933 as hardcover, 360 pages, $39.95. Well, never mind what I just said. I certainly wish this book was going to reprint the whole run, at that price, but I'll still end up buying it. And it's not so bad after you take off the Amazon discount (they've got it for $26.37). I presume Tales of Wonder and some of the other more frequently used online sellers will also have it at a discounted price.
If they were to go that route (release it as a more expensive, adult collector's item) they could go the DC Archives/Marvel Masterworks route (hardcover, around 300 or more pages, $49.95/$54.95/$59.95). Don't know how well that'd do, sales wise, but if they did go that route I'd certainly expect them to reprint all of the newspaper strips, then! (I'm not as concerned about it being a non-comprehensive, "best of" collection at, say, $20.)
Wait a minute. I just checked. That's exactly what they are doing. Amazon lists this The Floyd Gottfredson Library: The Best of Mickey Mouse - Daily Strips 1930-1933 as hardcover, 360 pages, $39.95. Well, never mind what I just said. I certainly wish this book was going to reprint the whole run, at that price, but I'll still end up buying it. And it's not so bad after you take off the Amazon discount (they've got it for $26.37). I presume Tales of Wonder and some of the other more frequently used online sellers will also have it at a discounted price.
Uncle_Ed
Upcoming Gottfredson Library - what will be missing?
Message 33 -
2008-01-22 at 01:23:25
If they're edited an expensive collector geared release like that then I'm furious and insulted that they'd edit it anyway...
Robb_K
Upcoming Gottfredson Library - what will be missing?
Message 34 -
2008-01-23 at 15:58:51
Is the first Volume (1930-33) printed already and will be shipped immediately? Or are they just taking prer-orders now?
YoungTrek
Upcoming Gottfredson Library - what will be missing?
Message 35 -
2008-01-23 at 16:34:58
Quote from user: Robb_KIs the first Volume (1930-33) printed already and will be shipped immediately? Or are they just taking prer-orders now?
If the date given on Amazon (August 2008) is correct (or even just a month or so off in either direction) then I doubt the book has been printed yet. Amazon is probably just taking pre-orders for it.
As for why it hasn't been mentioned in SCOOP yet, well, I'd imagine that it's probably just that it's still a bit too soon for them to be talking about a book that's still over six months down the line.
If the date given on Amazon (August 2008) is correct (or even just a month or so off in either direction) then I doubt the book has been printed yet. Amazon is probably just taking pre-orders for it.
As for why it hasn't been mentioned in SCOOP yet, well, I'd imagine that it's probably just that it's still a bit too soon for them to be talking about a book that's still over six months down the line.
Ramapith
Upcoming Gottfredson Library - what will be missing?
Message 36 -
2008-01-24 at 02:40:59
Quote from user: YoungTrekI wonder if this book is really scheduled by Gemstone for August? What I mean is that the dates shown on Amazon are not always the most accurate...
Well, they're our preliminary dates, reflecting our initial plans and the earliest information we gave to Diamond Book Distributors. As it turns out, FG Library Volume 1 may actually end up coming out a couple of months later, closer to the holidays; in which case we'll probably update DBD (and thus Amazon) before long.Quote from user: Robb_KIs the first Volume (1930-33) printed already and will be shipped immediately?
Er, it's nowhere near finished. We're only human! What gave you the idea it should be printed already?
Well, they're our preliminary dates, reflecting our initial plans and the earliest information we gave to Diamond Book Distributors. As it turns out, FG Library Volume 1 may actually end up coming out a couple of months later, closer to the holidays; in which case we'll probably update DBD (and thus Amazon) before long.Quote from user: Robb_KIs the first Volume (1930-33) printed already and will be shipped immediately?
Er, it's nowhere near finished. We're only human! What gave you the idea it should be printed already?
Robb_K
Upcoming Gottfredson Library - what will be missing?
Message 37 -
2008-01-24 at 05:01:23
I read that it could be ordered on Amazon. I would never have guessed that they'd be taking orders in January for an August release. But that's because for most of my life, I've never been involved in fanzines or been an "Insider" or active fan with communication with other fans. So I never knew about reserving future publications. Will we need to reserve one well ahead? Or will there still be enough for us to get one after they are released for publication? Will there be a lower cost for reserving it early?
Ramapith
Upcoming Gottfredson Library - what will be missing?
Message 38 -
2008-01-24 at 16:51:29
Quote from user: Robb_KI read that it could be ordered on Amazon. I would never have guessed that they'd be taking orders in January for an August release.
Amazon and other major book distributors often want to know about a publisher's releases six to eight months in advance. It's not uncommon for them to put that kind of information online as soon as they receive it, or to begin taking orders for the book well in advance, too.
Consider Fantagraphics, another comics publisher, and their Pogo and Krazy Kat reprints. Amazon lists, illustrates, and is taking orders for a Krazy Kat volume coming out in August, and a Pogo volume that won't be out until October.Quote:Will we need to reserve one well ahead? Or will there still be enough for us to get one after they are released for publication?
Er??forgive me, but haven't you ever ordered a book online in advance of publication? It's usually something you do because you want to get it as soon as possible, not because the quantity is limited. I'm sure there will enough for you to get one after they are released.Quote:Will there be a lower cost for reserving it early?
THAT'S up to Amazon! Sometimes they give discounts for early orders; other times not.
Amazon and other major book distributors often want to know about a publisher's releases six to eight months in advance. It's not uncommon for them to put that kind of information online as soon as they receive it, or to begin taking orders for the book well in advance, too.
Consider Fantagraphics, another comics publisher, and their Pogo and Krazy Kat reprints. Amazon lists, illustrates, and is taking orders for a Krazy Kat volume coming out in August, and a Pogo volume that won't be out until October.Quote:Will we need to reserve one well ahead? Or will there still be enough for us to get one after they are released for publication?
Er??forgive me, but haven't you ever ordered a book online in advance of publication? It's usually something you do because you want to get it as soon as possible, not because the quantity is limited. I'm sure there will enough for you to get one after they are released.Quote:Will there be a lower cost for reserving it early?
THAT'S up to Amazon! Sometimes they give discounts for early orders; other times not.
YoungTrek
Upcoming Gottfredson Library - what will be missing?
Message 39 -
2008-01-24 at 16:53:53
Quote from user: Robb_KI read that it could be ordered on Amazon. I would never have guessed that they'd be taking orders in January for an August release. But that's because for most of my life, I've never been involved in fanzines or been an "Insider" or active fan with communication with other fans. So I never knew about reserving future publications. Will we need to reserve one well ahead? Or will there still be enough for us to get one after they are released for publication? Will there be a lower cost for reserving it early?
Hi. This really doesn't have anything to do with fanzines or being an "insider" or anything like that. It's more a case of how familiar you are with how sites like Amazon do things. They list upcoming book as "pre-orders" as soon as they receive the information from publishers. Some books are posted as such as far as a year or more before they are to be released. Of course, the farther ahead that they are posted as "pre-orders", the better the chance that the date will end up changing.
I think this is done this way to 1) indicate how much pre-release interest there is in the item, and 2) to secure a "buy" for Amazon (or whichever site you are using). They don't actually charge you until the book actually ships (or, rather, most of these major book chain website don't, at least).
Here's an experiment you can try to show you what I'm talking about here. Go to Amazon.com. Go to "Books" (under "Shop All Departments" on the left). Click "Advanced Search". Under "Publisher", type in "DC Comics" (or "Marvel Comics", if you prefer) and then click "Search". On the page that comes up, resort the results by "Publication Date" (which is an option on the right side of the screen).
You will see that as of today DC has items listed for pre-order all the way through August 2008 (and one item October). Marvel's listings run through June 2008 (with, again, one book listed for even later, in December 2008).
So, in other words, this is pretty standard operating procedure these days in regards to publishers and major book stores sites like Amazon, Borders, Barnes & Noble, etc.
Will you "need" to pre-order one to reserve your copy? I doubt it. Usually the print run for an item like this is large enough that no where near all of the copies are pre-ordered. I wouldn't wait too long after it actually ships, though. It's possible that the print run will be small enough to sell out relatively quickly once it's released. Then, again, Gemstone is constantly relisting books that have been out for awhile, so I don't think that's been much of an issue so far (Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck trade paperback, which I think they've actually had to go back and do a second printing of, notwithstanding).
Hi. This really doesn't have anything to do with fanzines or being an "insider" or anything like that. It's more a case of how familiar you are with how sites like Amazon do things. They list upcoming book as "pre-orders" as soon as they receive the information from publishers. Some books are posted as such as far as a year or more before they are to be released. Of course, the farther ahead that they are posted as "pre-orders", the better the chance that the date will end up changing.
I think this is done this way to 1) indicate how much pre-release interest there is in the item, and 2) to secure a "buy" for Amazon (or whichever site you are using). They don't actually charge you until the book actually ships (or, rather, most of these major book chain website don't, at least).
Here's an experiment you can try to show you what I'm talking about here. Go to Amazon.com. Go to "Books" (under "Shop All Departments" on the left). Click "Advanced Search". Under "Publisher", type in "DC Comics" (or "Marvel Comics", if you prefer) and then click "Search". On the page that comes up, resort the results by "Publication Date" (which is an option on the right side of the screen).
You will see that as of today DC has items listed for pre-order all the way through August 2008 (and one item October). Marvel's listings run through June 2008 (with, again, one book listed for even later, in December 2008).
So, in other words, this is pretty standard operating procedure these days in regards to publishers and major book stores sites like Amazon, Borders, Barnes & Noble, etc.
Will you "need" to pre-order one to reserve your copy? I doubt it. Usually the print run for an item like this is large enough that no where near all of the copies are pre-ordered. I wouldn't wait too long after it actually ships, though. It's possible that the print run will be small enough to sell out relatively quickly once it's released. Then, again, Gemstone is constantly relisting books that have been out for awhile, so I don't think that's been much of an issue so far (Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck trade paperback, which I think they've actually had to go back and do a second printing of, notwithstanding).
Alle
Upcoming Gottfredson Library - what will be missing?
Message 40 -
2008-06-05 at 05:58:34
Luca Boschi made a post in his blog about the upcoming first volume of the Gottfredson Library (if you understand Italian you can read it here: http://lucaboschi.nova100.ilsole24ore.com/2008/06/scoop-arriva-li.html). The most important question is always the same: what will be the content of this first volume? And the second one is mine: Diamond's Previews doesn't list the book in the June issue, so it will really be released in August (or it will not be possible to order it with Previews)?
Ramapith
Upcoming Gottfredson Library - what will be missing?
Message 41 -
2008-06-06 at 00:15:11
I'm sorry to give you bad news, people, but the Gottfredson Library has been postponed for the moment, most likely until next year; that's why it's not in the present PREVIEWS. Barnes and Noble and Amazon should update soon to reflect this situation. They may simply remove the listing until we can give them the new low-down.
I'll give all of you more information when I get it. Believe you me, a delay is disappointing to me, too... though at least we'll have plenty of other Gottfredson reprints this year, including the 1931 "Mickey Mouse, Boxing Champion" in WDC&S, "Death Valley" in WALT DISNEY TREASURES and most likely another story starting in WDC&S before the end of the year.
We've received requests, by the way, for reprints of Gottfredson stories that Gladstone already published in the 1980s and 1990s, in some cases twice. Do people really want to see re-re-re-reprints prioritized above the Gottfredson stories we're running now, which in some cases haven't been reprinted in English since the 1930s? I must admit I'm a bit baffled.
(This is independent from the Gottfredson Library, BTW, which when it appears will of course include the stories that Gladstone reprinted earlier.)
I'll give all of you more information when I get it. Believe you me, a delay is disappointing to me, too... though at least we'll have plenty of other Gottfredson reprints this year, including the 1931 "Mickey Mouse, Boxing Champion" in WDC&S, "Death Valley" in WALT DISNEY TREASURES and most likely another story starting in WDC&S before the end of the year.
We've received requests, by the way, for reprints of Gottfredson stories that Gladstone already published in the 1980s and 1990s, in some cases twice. Do people really want to see re-re-re-reprints prioritized above the Gottfredson stories we're running now, which in some cases haven't been reprinted in English since the 1930s? I must admit I'm a bit baffled.
(This is independent from the Gottfredson Library, BTW, which when it appears will of course include the stories that Gladstone reprinted earlier.)
Dean Rekich
Upcoming Gottfredson Library - what will be missing?
Message 42 -
2008-06-06 at 00:41:17
David, put me down for a big NO vote to re-re-reprinting Gottfredson stories that were printed already in the 1980's and 1990's! Why in the world should these be reprinted before stories not printed since the 1930's and 1940's?!? It is not like the 80's and 90's Disney comics they were printed in are impossible to find or way too expensive.
Off on somewhat of a tangent, am I the only one who does not like the Gottfredson stories being reprinted in numerous parts in WDC&S? Now I have nothing against Gottfredson stories; in fact I very much like them! However, I wish these stories were published whole in one volume instead of over 3 or 4 issues of WDC&S. In this way there would be room each month for modern Mickey stories in WDC&S and we could also read a full Gottfredson story in one volume.
So I very much like the idea of this years "Walt Disney Treasures" TPB having "Death Valley" all in one piece. Would others prefer seeing Gottfredson stories all in one "issue" or volume? If not TPBs, how about having some "special" issues of either U$ and WDC&S page amount or of Vacation Parade page amount that would contain Gottfredson stories all in one issue?
I would be interested in what others think about this idea? Of course, this idea *pales* in comparison to the GREAT idea of a third monthly prestige title! If anyone thinks I am *ever* going to give up on that idea, they don't know me well! :)
Off on somewhat of a tangent, am I the only one who does not like the Gottfredson stories being reprinted in numerous parts in WDC&S? Now I have nothing against Gottfredson stories; in fact I very much like them! However, I wish these stories were published whole in one volume instead of over 3 or 4 issues of WDC&S. In this way there would be room each month for modern Mickey stories in WDC&S and we could also read a full Gottfredson story in one volume.
So I very much like the idea of this years "Walt Disney Treasures" TPB having "Death Valley" all in one piece. Would others prefer seeing Gottfredson stories all in one "issue" or volume? If not TPBs, how about having some "special" issues of either U$ and WDC&S page amount or of Vacation Parade page amount that would contain Gottfredson stories all in one issue?
I would be interested in what others think about this idea? Of course, this idea *pales* in comparison to the GREAT idea of a third monthly prestige title! If anyone thinks I am *ever* going to give up on that idea, they don't know me well! :)
Ramapith
Upcoming Gottfredson Library - what will be missing?
Message 43 -
2008-06-06 at 01:50:21
Quote from user: Dean RekichI wish [Gottfredson] stories were published whole in one volume instead of over 3 or 4 issues of WDC&S. In this way there would be room each month for modern Mickey stories in WDC&S and we could also read a full Gottfredson story in one volume.
Here's the short answer: I personally clean, repair, and remount most of the Gottfredson stories we use. We acquire them from a variety of sources within Disney and its affiliates, and none is immediately ready for publication; the stats or negatives are often dirty and/or have other problems. Mickey's black fur, in particular, tends to have rubbed off of him and is visible, in specks here and there, all over the background, while Mickey himself has little white bald spots all over him. Panel borders were distorted by long-ago cameras and often need to be redrawn. For a cohesive look in comic book form, I also need to remove the old copyright notices and Disney signatures from the strips?and often replace them with shading or line art that match the surrounding area of the picture.
All of this takes a lot of time, and because I naturally need to balance the Gottfredson restoration with other work on the job, I can't spend too *much* time on it. Reprinting the stories in serialized form isn't, then, just a tradition dating back to the 1930s; it's also a trick that keeps the remounting work controlled and manageable. I bet my predecessors at Dell felt the same way. I know the Gladstone staff did.
So what about "Death Valley"? With it, I'm breaking up the work over several months so that the results will be ready all at once?almost as if we *were* serializing it, even though we're not. That's the only way to make it work. I couldn't do it often, which is why we don't see more Gottfredson stories in one part.
Now how about a cautionary tale? With "The Gleam" I actually ran out of time to finish the repairs; our originals were just too dilapidated. This is why we postponed it from last spring?when it was first announced?to more recently, and ran "Mickey's Dangerous Double" in the meantime: "Dangerous Double" had already been cleaned and colored for recent use in Italy, so "all" I had to do was remount it in our format. That bought me the extra months I needed to make "The Gleam" shine.
As for modern Mickey stories, if you'll look again at the issues that contained "The Gleam," you'll see that two of the three also included a new Mouse universe story. So the serialization of Gottfredson didn't crowd out new material entirely?nor will it in the future.
For right now, enjoy a couple of months heavy with new modern material until "Boxing Champion" starts. Next week's WDC&S includes Pat and Carol McGreal's "Mates in Mischief" as well as Jeff Hamill's/Romano Scarpa's "Quiet Day at the Beach," a real show stopper. The only quiet thing about this wild story is... hmm, maybe I'll wait and let you find out!
Here's the short answer: I personally clean, repair, and remount most of the Gottfredson stories we use. We acquire them from a variety of sources within Disney and its affiliates, and none is immediately ready for publication; the stats or negatives are often dirty and/or have other problems. Mickey's black fur, in particular, tends to have rubbed off of him and is visible, in specks here and there, all over the background, while Mickey himself has little white bald spots all over him. Panel borders were distorted by long-ago cameras and often need to be redrawn. For a cohesive look in comic book form, I also need to remove the old copyright notices and Disney signatures from the strips?and often replace them with shading or line art that match the surrounding area of the picture.
All of this takes a lot of time, and because I naturally need to balance the Gottfredson restoration with other work on the job, I can't spend too *much* time on it. Reprinting the stories in serialized form isn't, then, just a tradition dating back to the 1930s; it's also a trick that keeps the remounting work controlled and manageable. I bet my predecessors at Dell felt the same way. I know the Gladstone staff did.
So what about "Death Valley"? With it, I'm breaking up the work over several months so that the results will be ready all at once?almost as if we *were* serializing it, even though we're not. That's the only way to make it work. I couldn't do it often, which is why we don't see more Gottfredson stories in one part.
Now how about a cautionary tale? With "The Gleam" I actually ran out of time to finish the repairs; our originals were just too dilapidated. This is why we postponed it from last spring?when it was first announced?to more recently, and ran "Mickey's Dangerous Double" in the meantime: "Dangerous Double" had already been cleaned and colored for recent use in Italy, so "all" I had to do was remount it in our format. That bought me the extra months I needed to make "The Gleam" shine.
As for modern Mickey stories, if you'll look again at the issues that contained "The Gleam," you'll see that two of the three also included a new Mouse universe story. So the serialization of Gottfredson didn't crowd out new material entirely?nor will it in the future.
For right now, enjoy a couple of months heavy with new modern material until "Boxing Champion" starts. Next week's WDC&S includes Pat and Carol McGreal's "Mates in Mischief" as well as Jeff Hamill's/Romano Scarpa's "Quiet Day at the Beach," a real show stopper. The only quiet thing about this wild story is... hmm, maybe I'll wait and let you find out!
Cacou
Upcoming Gottfredson Library - what will be missing?
Message 44 -
2008-06-06 at 08:59:40
Here is the cover preview as shown on various blogs (Luca Boschi, Disney History, Joakim G.)

RancidDuck
Upcoming Gottfredson Library - what will be missing?
Message 45 -
2008-06-06 at 10:27:48
Quote from user: Dean RekichDavid, put me down for a big NO vote to re-re-reprinting Gottfredson stories that were printed already in the 1980's and 1990's! Why in the world should these be reprinted before stories not printed since the 1930's and 1940's?!? It is not like the 80's and 90's Disney comics they were printed in are impossible to find or way too expensive.
Off on somewhat of a tangent, am I the only one who does not like the Gottfredson stories being reprinted in numerous parts in WDC&S? Now I have nothing against Gottfredson stories; in fact I very much like them! However, I wish these stories were published whole in one volume instead of over 3 or 4 issues of WDC&S. In this way there would be room each month for modern Mickey stories in WDC&S and we could also read a full Gottfredson story in one volume.
So I very much like the idea of this years "Walt Disney Treasures" TPB having "Death Valley" all in one piece. Would others prefer seeing Gottfredson stories all in one "issue" or volume? If not TPBs, how about having some "special" issues of either U$ and WDC&S page amount or of Vacation Parade page amount that would contain Gottfredson stories all in one issue?
I would be interested in what others think about this idea? Of course, this idea *pales* in comparison to the GREAT idea of a third monthly prestige title! If anyone thinks I am *ever* going to give up on that idea, they don't know me well! :)
I have to agree that I would much rather see stories that haven't seen reprint since the 30's than ones that have been reprinted many times over. I know some people have a favorite story they would like to see reprinted, but, just maybe, there is a story they haven't seen printed that would take a spot on their favorite story list. So, put me down for the rare material reprints.
Although a whole Gottfredson story in one issue is a nice idea, It would take up too much space. Take for example "The Gleam": The first part was 16 pages, the second 14, and the third 18. Add in the 4 pages normally used for adds for special issues and subscriptions and you have 52 pages. That's 52 pages out of 64, leaving room for only 12 pages of other material. Which would work for a Mickey only book, but not Comics and Stories. Unless, you didn't mean a whole in story in WDC&S.
Serialized is fine with me, unless, like you mentioned, we could get some specials to hold a whole Gottfredson story or two, or three.
Off on somewhat of a tangent, am I the only one who does not like the Gottfredson stories being reprinted in numerous parts in WDC&S? Now I have nothing against Gottfredson stories; in fact I very much like them! However, I wish these stories were published whole in one volume instead of over 3 or 4 issues of WDC&S. In this way there would be room each month for modern Mickey stories in WDC&S and we could also read a full Gottfredson story in one volume.
So I very much like the idea of this years "Walt Disney Treasures" TPB having "Death Valley" all in one piece. Would others prefer seeing Gottfredson stories all in one "issue" or volume? If not TPBs, how about having some "special" issues of either U$ and WDC&S page amount or of Vacation Parade page amount that would contain Gottfredson stories all in one issue?
I would be interested in what others think about this idea? Of course, this idea *pales* in comparison to the GREAT idea of a third monthly prestige title! If anyone thinks I am *ever* going to give up on that idea, they don't know me well! :)
I have to agree that I would much rather see stories that haven't seen reprint since the 30's than ones that have been reprinted many times over. I know some people have a favorite story they would like to see reprinted, but, just maybe, there is a story they haven't seen printed that would take a spot on their favorite story list. So, put me down for the rare material reprints.
Although a whole Gottfredson story in one issue is a nice idea, It would take up too much space. Take for example "The Gleam": The first part was 16 pages, the second 14, and the third 18. Add in the 4 pages normally used for adds for special issues and subscriptions and you have 52 pages. That's 52 pages out of 64, leaving room for only 12 pages of other material. Which would work for a Mickey only book, but not Comics and Stories. Unless, you didn't mean a whole in story in WDC&S.
Serialized is fine with me, unless, like you mentioned, we could get some specials to hold a whole Gottfredson story or two, or three.