Quote from user: timoroSome connection to real world is needed at least. Otherwise ducks would be uncomprehensible or dull. Scrooge went to Yukon, very real place, ducks have been in many real places, countries and witnessed real events. I like the connection of duck-world to "my" world.
But comics in general can be anything between full fantasy without any connection to the real world, to the extreme realism with real persons and events, political or non-political. Just like literature or movies.
Timo
I agree more than 100%. In fact I strongly prefer stories based on real-life events, past and present (and those of the foreseeable future) and with references to historical figures like Theodore Roosevelt.
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Morequack
Comic and politics
Message 16 -
2009-01-22 at 01:20:02
Will Barks
Comic and politics
Message 17 -
2009-01-22 at 19:11:09
Quote from user: timoroSome connection to real world is needed at least. Otherwise ducks would be uncomprehensible or dull. Scrooge went to Yukon, very real place, ducks have been in many real places, countries and witnessed real events. I like the connection of duck-world to "my" world.
But comics in general can be anything between full fantasy without any connection to the real world, to the extreme realism with real persons and events, political or non-political. Just like literature or movies. But that is slightly off topic.
Timo
That's exactly my opinion! I think that's also the reason why Don Rosa is more popular than any other Disney writer. Because he made fascinating connections to the real world.
But comics in general can be anything between full fantasy without any connection to the real world, to the extreme realism with real persons and events, political or non-political. Just like literature or movies. But that is slightly off topic.
Timo
That's exactly my opinion! I think that's also the reason why Don Rosa is more popular than any other Disney writer. Because he made fascinating connections to the real world.
MrCleveland
Comic and politics
Message 18 -
2009-01-22 at 19:36:42
I would say something....
However, I made-up a country called Gibbera and the Gibberish live there.
However, I made-up a country called Gibbera and the Gibberish live there.
Kurt Appel
Comic and politics
Message 19 -
2009-01-23 at 13:28:38
I like the stories written by Lars Jensen more than the comics of Rosa. When will we see TNT again, Lars? It was really good and funny ...
Morequack
Comic and politics
Message 20 -
2009-01-24 at 01:13:55
Quote from user: MrClevelandI would say something....
However, I made-up a country called Gibbera and the Gibberish live there.
What does that mean?
However, I made-up a country called Gibbera and the Gibberish live there.
What does that mean?
LadyQuackly
Comic and politics
Message 21 -
2009-01-24 at 16:54:09
Quote from user: Robb_KIf the Ducks' World is an alternative World to ours, in which people look a little like caricatures of "humanlike" animals, then why would we want to include real humans in with them. I didn't like Barks including humans in his Duck stories (in 1950-51).
That makes perfect sense. I think the best of Barks, but I was rather dismayed to see actual human characters in his story "Dangerous Disguise".
[link edited due to its possibly illegal nature - maybe LadyQuackly wwants to post an image instead (?) Cacou]
I really prefer to think of the Disney Ducks in a world slightly apart from ours, reflecting their "species" and others as well, rather than being invaded by humans. But that's my own opinion.
But back to the topic of political characters: the fan fiction I'm working on partly takes place in WWII Europe, and there won't be any humans there. Even "Adolf" isn't going to be human (come to think of it....nah, I won't go there :P ).
That makes perfect sense. I think the best of Barks, but I was rather dismayed to see actual human characters in his story "Dangerous Disguise".
[link edited due to its possibly illegal nature - maybe LadyQuackly wwants to post an image instead (?) Cacou]
I really prefer to think of the Disney Ducks in a world slightly apart from ours, reflecting their "species" and others as well, rather than being invaded by humans. But that's my own opinion.
But back to the topic of political characters: the fan fiction I'm working on partly takes place in WWII Europe, and there won't be any humans there. Even "Adolf" isn't going to be human (come to think of it....nah, I won't go there :P ).
Robb_K
Comic and politics
Message 22 -
2009-01-24 at 20:16:09
Quote from user: LadyQuacklyQuote from user: Robb_KIf the Ducks' World is an alternative World to ours, in which people look a little like caricatures of "humanlike" animals, then why would we want to include real humans in with them. I didn't like Barks including humans in his Duck stories (in 1950-51).
That makes perfect sense. I think the best of Barks, but I was rather dismayed to see actual human characters in his story "Dangerous Disguise".
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I really prefer to think of the Disney Ducks in a world slightly apart from ours, reflecting their "species" and others as well, rather than being invaded by humans. But that's my own opinion.
But back to the topic of political characters: the fan fiction I'm working on partly takes place in WWII Europe, and there won't be any humans there. Even "Adolf" isn't going to be human (come to think of it....nah, I won't go there :P ).
Similar to "Maus". Think of how the entire atmosphere of "Maus" would have been watered down, if "real Humans" had been added.
That makes perfect sense. I think the best of Barks, but I was rather dismayed to see actual human characters in his story "Dangerous Disguise".
[...]
I really prefer to think of the Disney Ducks in a world slightly apart from ours, reflecting their "species" and others as well, rather than being invaded by humans. But that's my own opinion.
But back to the topic of political characters: the fan fiction I'm working on partly takes place in WWII Europe, and there won't be any humans there. Even "Adolf" isn't going to be human (come to think of it....nah, I won't go there :P ).
Similar to "Maus". Think of how the entire atmosphere of "Maus" would have been watered down, if "real Humans" had been added.
LadyQuackly
Comic and politics
Message 23 -
2009-01-24 at 20:26:08
Quote from user: Robb_KQuote from user: LadyQuacklyQuote from user: Robb_KIf the Ducks' World is an alternative World to ours, in which people look a little like caricatures of "humanlike" animals, then why would we want to include real humans in with them. I didn't like Barks including humans in his Duck stories (in 1950-51).
That makes perfect sense. I think the best of Barks, but I was rather dismayed to see actual human characters in his story "Dangerous Disguise".
[...]
I really prefer to think of the Disney Ducks in a world slightly apart from ours, reflecting their "species" and others as well, rather than being invaded by humans. But that's my own opinion.
But back to the topic of political characters: the fan fiction I'm working on partly takes place in WWII Europe, and there won't be any humans there. Even "Adolf" isn't going to be human (come to think of it....nah, I won't go there :P ).
Similar to "Maus". Think of how the entire atmosphere of "Maus" would have been watered down, if "real Humans" had been added.
Indeed. And I see you've read "Maus", too! :) I was really impressed with the animal symbolisms, and it was such a sad story. In my fan fic, the Nazis will be various animals, but Hitler is represented as a vulture (I actually did a poll on that awhile back---I had originally opted for "wolf", but "vulture" seemed to get the most votes).
That makes perfect sense. I think the best of Barks, but I was rather dismayed to see actual human characters in his story "Dangerous Disguise".
[...]
I really prefer to think of the Disney Ducks in a world slightly apart from ours, reflecting their "species" and others as well, rather than being invaded by humans. But that's my own opinion.
But back to the topic of political characters: the fan fiction I'm working on partly takes place in WWII Europe, and there won't be any humans there. Even "Adolf" isn't going to be human (come to think of it....nah, I won't go there :P ).
Similar to "Maus". Think of how the entire atmosphere of "Maus" would have been watered down, if "real Humans" had been added.
Indeed. And I see you've read "Maus", too! :) I was really impressed with the animal symbolisms, and it was such a sad story. In my fan fic, the Nazis will be various animals, but Hitler is represented as a vulture (I actually did a poll on that awhile back---I had originally opted for "wolf", but "vulture" seemed to get the most votes).
LadyQuackly
Comic and politics
Message 24 -
2009-01-24 at 20:38:49
Quote from user: Robb_KQuote from user: timoroWell it depends, but don't forget: Disney comics have had real politicians, president actually: L&T of Scrooge McDuck by Don Rosa. Teddy Roosevelt appears twice. Chapters 3 and 10.
Timo
I don't like that. either. It's bad enough to use "real" countries, and real historical figures. But, to use historical figures that were still alive not so long before I was born is too much. Calisota is a fictional place. and so is The Ducks' World. False names should be used (like Freddy Rosenfeld, and Marak Orama, Odama, Mopama, or the like). USA should not be a country in The Ducks' World. If those caricatures are used with false (albeit similar) names, they should resemble the human characters to a limited degree, but not be humans. They should be dog, pig or bird-faces.
Amen to that. And not to be off-topic, but I'm also reminded of Walt Kelly's Pogo, which was riddled with political satire; yet most (if not all) political figures that Kelly lampooned were depicted as various animals, and usually given names that only sounded like their human counterparts. For instance: Joseph P. McCarthy, author of the infamous 1950s blacklists, became a mean-spirited wildcat named Simple J. Malarkey. In another gag a large Russian pig that looked suspiciously like Nikita Khrushchev was out to take over the swamp, but I don't remember if Kelly named him.
Timo
I don't like that. either. It's bad enough to use "real" countries, and real historical figures. But, to use historical figures that were still alive not so long before I was born is too much. Calisota is a fictional place. and so is The Ducks' World. False names should be used (like Freddy Rosenfeld, and Marak Orama, Odama, Mopama, or the like). USA should not be a country in The Ducks' World. If those caricatures are used with false (albeit similar) names, they should resemble the human characters to a limited degree, but not be humans. They should be dog, pig or bird-faces.
Amen to that. And not to be off-topic, but I'm also reminded of Walt Kelly's Pogo, which was riddled with political satire; yet most (if not all) political figures that Kelly lampooned were depicted as various animals, and usually given names that only sounded like their human counterparts. For instance: Joseph P. McCarthy, author of the infamous 1950s blacklists, became a mean-spirited wildcat named Simple J. Malarkey. In another gag a large Russian pig that looked suspiciously like Nikita Khrushchev was out to take over the swamp, but I don't remember if Kelly named him.
Lars Jensen
Comic and politics
Message 25 -
2009-01-28 at 17:23:25
Quote from user: Kurt AppelI like the stories written by Lars Jensen more than the comics of Rosa. When will we see TNT again, Lars? It was really good and funny ...
Thanks, Kurt. David, Flemming and I are still making TNT stories. I have no idea when the next one will be published, though.
Thanks, Kurt. David, Flemming and I are still making TNT stories. I have no idea when the next one will be published, though.
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