Quote from user: ToonArt14There are tons of other similar comparisons, such as countless movie, tv-show and franchise re-boots.
Indeed! But this sort of thing digs up a new problem (for me). The further ahead a writer timejumps Scrooge, the more you remove him from the experiences that made him what he his, as both a rich man and a character. A man of modern times with McDuck-level wealth is a man who made that money in a completely different manner than the Scrooge whose prime was at the turn of the 19th century-- and modern wealth accumulation is ever so rarely a result of the standards of honour and toil that Scrooge operated under.
It'd be next to impossible to make him into a sympathetic character, which is something Barks managed to do because he had a very convenient time frame to work out a back story with. A 21st century Scrooge would get nothing but side-eyes from me! He'd have to be so different as to make one wonder what the point is to begin with.
Quote from user: ToonArt14But in the end, everyone will see things differently.
Exactly ;)
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Argonaut
Don Rosa stories set in the "Present Day"
Message 16 -
2014-10-06 at 03:11:21
Dutch Duckfan Down Under
Don Rosa stories set in the "Present Day"
Message 17 -
2014-10-06 at 20:16:19
Personally, I only unify Don Rosa's stores under a timeline, and maybe Barks stories as a kind of character development that isn't really there, but even his stories I'd approach on their own merits. Especially since (and we tend to forget this), there's actually several kinds of Barks at work. There's "prime Barks", the style you see in the short stories and adventures he wrote between 1947 and 1954, but there's also the Barks who wrote ten-pagers between 1942 and 1947, the Barks who was in a bit of a creative rut between 1955 and 1961, and the 'jaded old man' Barks damning society with lots of silliness between 1961 and 1966.
I've actually thought about a timeline for Floyd Gottfredson's stories, which seems relatively possible considering the growing of Mouseton and Mickey as a character. He's more like a teenager at the start of the comics, and you see him mature past Tintin age, and settling down with his nephews (the green hat and long pants era) by 1947.
I actually like to think these characters started their 'adventures' (and I'm including the side-job of being an actor for Walt Disney Prod. in that, whatever the consequences may be) around the time we first see them. I think you could make the case that the long-beak Donald of 1934-1936 is one whose body is still having the effects of puberty, and these small roles being his first jobs, which would make him several years younger than M. Mouse.
And yes, I'm including Mickey Mouse in that! I've grown up with too many Golden Age cartoons and I've read too many Gottfredson epics to disregard him completely.
And you can get away with that with the parents, but not with the kids. Kids age too fast. I wonder if you could fit Huey, Dewey and Louie as being about 2 or 3 years old when they move in with their uncle Donald, whether that would fit with the Rosa timeline, but I don't think so, when you take 1937 as their first year. I mean, they barely speak intelligibly in the early comics, so I think you can mentally age them down considerably there, but I don't know whether it would all neatly fit. (SPOILER: it doesn't! It wasn't meant to be! Which makes it all the more surprising that it's not that much of a discrepancy!)
I never could figure out what you were implying about HDL's parents in Return to Xanadu, Don, but I'm sure it would have been quite a story.
As for me, I've come up with something suitably cliche, yet fitting for the era as my pet theory. HDL's parents never come to get them because they're not allowed to. They're not dead, despite what the kids may have been told. No, they are veritable princes.
I'm not kidding. Bella (which I think is a more likely name for someone nicknamed Dumbella by her kid brother than Della, simply because I've never heard of anyone with the name Della) married the Crown Prince of Balonia, some obscure Eastern European country you've never heard of. The kids were sent away to live with their uncle in the United States so they could grow up like normal kids after he had beaten the mischief out of their royal Balonian behinds. And they've done quite admirably on that front, what with the Junior Woodchucks and all. Also, the kids would be better off in a safe place like Duckburg than some insignificant Eastern European monarchy, what with the impending Hitler and Stalin in 1937. (Yeah, I went there. You say Brutopia and Chiliburgeria, I say this.)
The kids are to be told all this and hailed back to their home country on their umpteenth birthday, when they have aged into proper adults. And when will that story be told?
...never, because all Disney comics take place when they are children! It's past the event horizon, if you will.
I rather like this idea of mine because it has all the necessary cliches for a Disney comic, but it could never be one for obvious reasons. And yet you can't prove that this isn't the truth of HDL's parents in the real comics! It's just very well-guarded secret!
...anyway, I should get back to my other... stuff... I've clearly overthought this. :)
Quote from user: ToonArt14But in the end, everyone will see things differently.
Ain't that the truth!
I've actually thought about a timeline for Floyd Gottfredson's stories, which seems relatively possible considering the growing of Mouseton and Mickey as a character. He's more like a teenager at the start of the comics, and you see him mature past Tintin age, and settling down with his nephews (the green hat and long pants era) by 1947.
I actually like to think these characters started their 'adventures' (and I'm including the side-job of being an actor for Walt Disney Prod. in that, whatever the consequences may be) around the time we first see them. I think you could make the case that the long-beak Donald of 1934-1936 is one whose body is still having the effects of puberty, and these small roles being his first jobs, which would make him several years younger than M. Mouse.
And yes, I'm including Mickey Mouse in that! I've grown up with too many Golden Age cartoons and I've read too many Gottfredson epics to disregard him completely.
And you can get away with that with the parents, but not with the kids. Kids age too fast. I wonder if you could fit Huey, Dewey and Louie as being about 2 or 3 years old when they move in with their uncle Donald, whether that would fit with the Rosa timeline, but I don't think so, when you take 1937 as their first year. I mean, they barely speak intelligibly in the early comics, so I think you can mentally age them down considerably there, but I don't know whether it would all neatly fit. (SPOILER: it doesn't! It wasn't meant to be! Which makes it all the more surprising that it's not that much of a discrepancy!)
I never could figure out what you were implying about HDL's parents in Return to Xanadu, Don, but I'm sure it would have been quite a story.
As for me, I've come up with something suitably cliche, yet fitting for the era as my pet theory. HDL's parents never come to get them because they're not allowed to. They're not dead, despite what the kids may have been told. No, they are veritable princes.
I'm not kidding. Bella (which I think is a more likely name for someone nicknamed Dumbella by her kid brother than Della, simply because I've never heard of anyone with the name Della) married the Crown Prince of Balonia, some obscure Eastern European country you've never heard of. The kids were sent away to live with their uncle in the United States so they could grow up like normal kids after he had beaten the mischief out of their royal Balonian behinds. And they've done quite admirably on that front, what with the Junior Woodchucks and all. Also, the kids would be better off in a safe place like Duckburg than some insignificant Eastern European monarchy, what with the impending Hitler and Stalin in 1937. (Yeah, I went there. You say Brutopia and Chiliburgeria, I say this.)
The kids are to be told all this and hailed back to their home country on their umpteenth birthday, when they have aged into proper adults. And when will that story be told?
...never, because all Disney comics take place when they are children! It's past the event horizon, if you will.
I rather like this idea of mine because it has all the necessary cliches for a Disney comic, but it could never be one for obvious reasons. And yet you can't prove that this isn't the truth of HDL's parents in the real comics! It's just very well-guarded secret!
...anyway, I should get back to my other... stuff... I've clearly overthought this. :)
Quote from user: ToonArt14But in the end, everyone will see things differently.
Ain't that the truth!
Clinton Coot
Don Rosa stories set in the "Present Day"
Message 18 -
2014-12-31 at 23:42:26
Very interesting topic! Even though Don Rosa only meant his stories to take place in the 1950's without dating them all, I have always been fascinated by those attemps to build a coherent timeline of Barks/Rosa's stories, just for the fun of the game.
These are some random thoughts that came to my mind.
Quote from user: ToonArt14Speaking of 1952, A Little Something Special also takes place this year. I have it sometime between June and October of 1952, even though we know from the Duckman Pettho website that the Invader of Fort Duckburg takes place in April of 1902.
Actually, at the end of "The Invader of Fort Duckburg" we have a six months time skip after the Scrooge vs Beagle Boys vs Roosevelt battle, and then we see Scrooge telling the Junior Woodchucks "If you boys hadn't called the government last year, those Beagles might have gotten away with my money!" Since the Junior Woodchucks called the government only a week before that battle, we must conclude that most of "The Invader of Fort Duckburg" (until page 14 panel 5) takes place in the second half of 1902, and the last segment of the story (page 14 panels 5-7 and page 15) takes place six months later, in the first half of 1903.
A problem with this, though, is that a Beagle says (page 11 panel 8) "Help! We surrender! Save us and we'll all vote for you next year!" This is supposed to be 1902, and the following election shoud be in 1904; as Wikipedia says: "The United States presidential election of 1904 was the 30th quadrennial presidential election, held on Tuesday, November 8, 1904. Incumbent President and Republican candidate Theodore Roosevelt was elected to a full term. Roosevelt had succeeded to the presidency upon the assassination of William McKinley in September 1901". Was there any other election in USA in 1903? I can't find other elections other than Senate elections in New York, but this should not have anything to do with the President; plus, the original sketches for "The Invader of Fort Duckburg" have a man telling Roosevelt "Mr President -- We need to start considering your re-election next year!", so it seems Don had the Presidential elections in mind.
Another problem in dating "The Invader of Fort Duckburg" is that the blueprints for the Money Bin have the date 4/5/1902, which may be "April 5, 1902" or "May 4, 1902"; Dan Shane wrote "Don and I purposely left that ambiguous so it would work in any country". Both dates are actually problematic if we consider what said earlier about most of "The Invader of Fort Duckburg" being set in the second half of 1902: few minutes before the "historic charge up Killmotor Hill" Scrooge doesn't seem to have decided yet to keep his money in a Bin (page 7 panel 9: "One more barrel and my whole billion will be inside the Fort! Then I'll start planning out the foundation for a proper storage vault"), so at this point the blueprints shouldn't exist yet.
Speaking of http://duckman.pettho.com, what happened to this website?
Quote from user: ToonArt14We also now from A Little Something Special that the Second Richest Duck and the Midas Touch have to take place either in 1950 or 1951.
Or maybe even in 1948 or 1949, since in "A Little Something Special" (set in 1952) Flintheart says "Thank you, gentlemen and signorina we should have formed this team years ago" (page 7 panel 7) and Scrooge tells Magica "After all your years of effort, my dime is now worthless for your magic charm!" (page 19 panel 8).
Quote from user: ToonArt14April, 1949: Lost in the Andes
[...]
February, 1955: Return to Plain Awful
There may a problem with this: in this 1993 message on DCML Don Rosa said
"I'd originally imagined that "Return to Plain Awful" took place in 1950, shortly after the original (they were returning those chickens)... but I guess I screwed up because (as someone said) I made references to "Son of the Sun" which had to have taken place much later, considering all those museum exhibits. Ahhhh, sue me".
A simple way to solve the "screw up" (which is not really a screw up) would be to set "Lost in the Andes" few years after it was published, since it would be hard to have all those Barks stories referenced in "The Son of the Sun" take place before 1950.
Quote from user: ToonArt14August, 1949: Voodoo Hoodoo
I see no problem with this, though I find it weird that in "The Crown Of The Crusader Kings" Scrooge says (page 15 panel 10) "A zombie chased me for fifty years!" If we assume Bombie started following Scrooge around 1909 (I say "around" because some dates in Lo$ part 11 are not clear) then it would be forty years before "Voodoo Hoodoo" (assuming "Voodoo Hoodoo" takes place around the time it was published), not fifty years.
Quote from user: ToonArt14October, 1951: The Fabulous Philosopher's Stone
No problem with this, as long as we ingnore Srooge saying that 1110 was 845 years ago. Since I am willing to ignore things like 1898 being 67 years ago in "North of the Yukon", I can do the same thing with "The Fabulous Philosopher's Stone": after all, it has to take place before "The Crown of the Crusader Kings" which takes place before a "A Letter from Home". Since in "A Letter from Home" the 1930 quarrel between Scrooge and his sisters is said to take place "nearly 25 years" ago, and "The Crown of the Crusader Kings" has a turn of year in it, then we can ignore the impossible 1955 date given in "The Fabulous Philosopher's Stone".
Quote from user: ToonArt14December, 1951: Christmas for Shacktown
[...]
March, 1952: Statuesque Spendthrifts
[...]
April, 1952: Gyro's First Invention
A problem with this sequence is that in "Gyro's First Invention" Scrooge says (page 2, panel 4): "I mean that gigantic Cornelius Coot statue! Building that blasted thing used all my petty cash - and then I lost the money in my Bin", so "Statuesque Spendthrifts" must be set before "Christmas for Shacktown" i.e. in 1951. This means that the "erected 1952" we can read at the bottom of the statue in "His Majesty McDuck" (page 5 panel 1) is a mistake (it wasn't a mistake when that story was made, but it retroactively became one after the publication of "Gyro's First Invention"): I wonder if it was ever changed in reprints, or if it will ever been in case it wasn't.
Quote from user: ToonArt14August, 1950: The Money Well
Maybe it is just me, but I have always felt that "A Little Something Special" was meant to be the first meeting of Scrooge and Blackheart after the events of Lo$ part 12: in fact, not only Scrooge says "Him! You!!! Blackheart Beagle! My oldest enemy! [...] I thought you'd retired, Blackheart!", but he also lists the years in which he and Blackheart faced each other (including a puzzling 1908 date) and the last year mentioned is 1947 (this scene is only present in the extended version, but this version of the story is the most known anyway). If we take this into account, then maybe "The Money Well" happens after "A Little Something Special".
Quote from user: ToonArt14August, 1950: W.H.A.D.A.L.O.T.T.A.J.A.R.G.O.N.
Here Don Rosa said "I figured "W.H.A.D.A.L.O.T.T.A.J.A.R.G.O.N." was set in early 1948".
Quote from user: ToonArt14September, 1950: The Second Richest Duck
Quote from user: ToonArt14August, 1951: The Midas Touch
For these two stories (especially the second one) I mantain what I said above.
Quote from user: ToonArt14December, 1954-Janaury, 1955: The Crown of the Crusader Kings
Fine, though it is very jarring to see that October 13, 1582 is said to be "over 400 years ago" (page 25 panel 2), as if this story is set after 1982! I guess Don's text was "almost 400 years ago", and editors changed it because they didn't want to confuse readers with this "present is the 1950's" theory, or they ignored it and thought it was a mistake. Or maybe Don's text was a generic "about 400 years ago" before being changed by editors. Whatever the case is, I hope this gets corrected in future reprints, if it hasn't already been corrected.
Quote from user: ToonArt14January, 1955: A Letter from Home
One strange thing in this story is the 1932 date we can see in the flashback of Scrooge quarreling with his sisters, despite the fact that the original scene took place in 1930.
This was a fun topic to read, even though I discovered it three months too late, and I hope my message will revive it since I this is one of the most interesting subjects of discussion.
Happy new year to everybody!
These are some random thoughts that came to my mind.
Quote from user: ToonArt14Speaking of 1952, A Little Something Special also takes place this year. I have it sometime between June and October of 1952, even though we know from the Duckman Pettho website that the Invader of Fort Duckburg takes place in April of 1902.
Actually, at the end of "The Invader of Fort Duckburg" we have a six months time skip after the Scrooge vs Beagle Boys vs Roosevelt battle, and then we see Scrooge telling the Junior Woodchucks "If you boys hadn't called the government last year, those Beagles might have gotten away with my money!" Since the Junior Woodchucks called the government only a week before that battle, we must conclude that most of "The Invader of Fort Duckburg" (until page 14 panel 5) takes place in the second half of 1902, and the last segment of the story (page 14 panels 5-7 and page 15) takes place six months later, in the first half of 1903.
A problem with this, though, is that a Beagle says (page 11 panel 8) "Help! We surrender! Save us and we'll all vote for you next year!" This is supposed to be 1902, and the following election shoud be in 1904; as Wikipedia says: "The United States presidential election of 1904 was the 30th quadrennial presidential election, held on Tuesday, November 8, 1904. Incumbent President and Republican candidate Theodore Roosevelt was elected to a full term. Roosevelt had succeeded to the presidency upon the assassination of William McKinley in September 1901". Was there any other election in USA in 1903? I can't find other elections other than Senate elections in New York, but this should not have anything to do with the President; plus, the original sketches for "The Invader of Fort Duckburg" have a man telling Roosevelt "Mr President -- We need to start considering your re-election next year!", so it seems Don had the Presidential elections in mind.
Another problem in dating "The Invader of Fort Duckburg" is that the blueprints for the Money Bin have the date 4/5/1902, which may be "April 5, 1902" or "May 4, 1902"; Dan Shane wrote "Don and I purposely left that ambiguous so it would work in any country". Both dates are actually problematic if we consider what said earlier about most of "The Invader of Fort Duckburg" being set in the second half of 1902: few minutes before the "historic charge up Killmotor Hill" Scrooge doesn't seem to have decided yet to keep his money in a Bin (page 7 panel 9: "One more barrel and my whole billion will be inside the Fort! Then I'll start planning out the foundation for a proper storage vault"), so at this point the blueprints shouldn't exist yet.
Speaking of http://duckman.pettho.com, what happened to this website?
Quote from user: ToonArt14We also now from A Little Something Special that the Second Richest Duck and the Midas Touch have to take place either in 1950 or 1951.
Or maybe even in 1948 or 1949, since in "A Little Something Special" (set in 1952) Flintheart says "Thank you, gentlemen and signorina we should have formed this team years ago" (page 7 panel 7) and Scrooge tells Magica "After all your years of effort, my dime is now worthless for your magic charm!" (page 19 panel 8).
Quote from user: ToonArt14April, 1949: Lost in the Andes
[...]
February, 1955: Return to Plain Awful
There may a problem with this: in this 1993 message on DCML Don Rosa said
"I'd originally imagined that "Return to Plain Awful" took place in 1950, shortly after the original (they were returning those chickens)... but I guess I screwed up because (as someone said) I made references to "Son of the Sun" which had to have taken place much later, considering all those museum exhibits. Ahhhh, sue me".
A simple way to solve the "screw up" (which is not really a screw up) would be to set "Lost in the Andes" few years after it was published, since it would be hard to have all those Barks stories referenced in "The Son of the Sun" take place before 1950.
Quote from user: ToonArt14August, 1949: Voodoo Hoodoo
I see no problem with this, though I find it weird that in "The Crown Of The Crusader Kings" Scrooge says (page 15 panel 10) "A zombie chased me for fifty years!" If we assume Bombie started following Scrooge around 1909 (I say "around" because some dates in Lo$ part 11 are not clear) then it would be forty years before "Voodoo Hoodoo" (assuming "Voodoo Hoodoo" takes place around the time it was published), not fifty years.
Quote from user: ToonArt14October, 1951: The Fabulous Philosopher's Stone
No problem with this, as long as we ingnore Srooge saying that 1110 was 845 years ago. Since I am willing to ignore things like 1898 being 67 years ago in "North of the Yukon", I can do the same thing with "The Fabulous Philosopher's Stone": after all, it has to take place before "The Crown of the Crusader Kings" which takes place before a "A Letter from Home". Since in "A Letter from Home" the 1930 quarrel between Scrooge and his sisters is said to take place "nearly 25 years" ago, and "The Crown of the Crusader Kings" has a turn of year in it, then we can ignore the impossible 1955 date given in "The Fabulous Philosopher's Stone".
Quote from user: ToonArt14December, 1951: Christmas for Shacktown
[...]
March, 1952: Statuesque Spendthrifts
[...]
April, 1952: Gyro's First Invention
A problem with this sequence is that in "Gyro's First Invention" Scrooge says (page 2, panel 4): "I mean that gigantic Cornelius Coot statue! Building that blasted thing used all my petty cash - and then I lost the money in my Bin", so "Statuesque Spendthrifts" must be set before "Christmas for Shacktown" i.e. in 1951. This means that the "erected 1952" we can read at the bottom of the statue in "His Majesty McDuck" (page 5 panel 1) is a mistake (it wasn't a mistake when that story was made, but it retroactively became one after the publication of "Gyro's First Invention"): I wonder if it was ever changed in reprints, or if it will ever been in case it wasn't.
Quote from user: ToonArt14August, 1950: The Money Well
Maybe it is just me, but I have always felt that "A Little Something Special" was meant to be the first meeting of Scrooge and Blackheart after the events of Lo$ part 12: in fact, not only Scrooge says "Him! You!!! Blackheart Beagle! My oldest enemy! [...] I thought you'd retired, Blackheart!", but he also lists the years in which he and Blackheart faced each other (including a puzzling 1908 date) and the last year mentioned is 1947 (this scene is only present in the extended version, but this version of the story is the most known anyway). If we take this into account, then maybe "The Money Well" happens after "A Little Something Special".
Quote from user: ToonArt14August, 1950: W.H.A.D.A.L.O.T.T.A.J.A.R.G.O.N.
Here Don Rosa said "I figured "W.H.A.D.A.L.O.T.T.A.J.A.R.G.O.N." was set in early 1948".
Quote from user: ToonArt14September, 1950: The Second Richest Duck
Quote from user: ToonArt14August, 1951: The Midas Touch
For these two stories (especially the second one) I mantain what I said above.
Quote from user: ToonArt14December, 1954-Janaury, 1955: The Crown of the Crusader Kings
Fine, though it is very jarring to see that October 13, 1582 is said to be "over 400 years ago" (page 25 panel 2), as if this story is set after 1982! I guess Don's text was "almost 400 years ago", and editors changed it because they didn't want to confuse readers with this "present is the 1950's" theory, or they ignored it and thought it was a mistake. Or maybe Don's text was a generic "about 400 years ago" before being changed by editors. Whatever the case is, I hope this gets corrected in future reprints, if it hasn't already been corrected.
Quote from user: ToonArt14January, 1955: A Letter from Home
One strange thing in this story is the 1932 date we can see in the flashback of Scrooge quarreling with his sisters, despite the fact that the original scene took place in 1930.
This was a fun topic to read, even though I discovered it three months too late, and I hope my message will revive it since I this is one of the most interesting subjects of discussion.
Happy new year to everybody!
Dutch Duckfan Down Under
Don Rosa stories set in the "Present Day"
Message 19 -
2015-01-01 at 16:34:31
Hooray! More continuity discussion!
Quote from user: clinton cootA problem with this, though, is that a Beagle says (page 11 panel 8) "Help! We surrender! Save us and we'll all vote for you next year!" This is supposed to be 1902, and the following election shoud be in 1904; as Wikipedia says: "The United States presidential election of 1904 was the 30th quadrennial presidential election, held on Tuesday, November 8, 1904. Incumbent President and Republican candidate Theodore Roosevelt was elected to a full term. Roosevelt had succeeded to the presidency upon the assassination of William McKinley in September 1901". Was there any other election in USA in 1903? I can't find other elections other than Senate elections in New York, but this should not having to do with the President; plus, the original sketches for "The Invader of Fort Duckburg" have a man telling Roosevelt "Mr President -- We need to start considering your re-election next year!", so it seems Don had the Presidential elections in mind.
I always figured it was just a joke showing how out of touch/panicked the Beagles were. The line is funnier when you know there's not even an election new year, and they're just getting it wrong.
Quote from user: clinton cootQuote from user: ToonArt14August, 1949: Voodoo Hoodoo
I see no problem with this, though I find it weird that in "The Crown Of The Crusader Kings" Scrooge says (page 15 panel 10) "A zombie chased me for fifty years!" If we assume Bombie started following Scrooge around 1909 (I say "around" because some dates in Lo$ part 11 are not clear) then it would be forty years before "Voodoo Hoodoo" (assuming "Voodoo Hoodoo" takes place around the time it was published), not fifty years.
Quote from user: ToonArt14October, 1951: The Fabulous Philosopher's Stone
No problem with this, as long as we ingnore Srooge saying that 1110 was 845 years ago. Since I am willing to ignore things like 1898 being 67 years ago in "North of the Yukon", I can do the same thing with "The Fabulous Philosopher's Stone": after all, it has to take place before "The Crown of the Crusader Kings" which takes place before a "A Letter from Home". Since in "A Letter from Home" the 1930 quarrel between Scrooge and his sisters is said to take place "nearly 25 years" ago, and "The Crown of the Crusader Kings" has a turn of year in it, then we can ignore the impossible 1955 date given in "The Fabulous Philosopher's Stone".
In "Back to the Klondike", Barks makes numerous references to it having been 40 years since the Gold Rush. This would date the story to around 1936-1939.
Scrooge has never been very good with years. ;)
Quote from user: clinton cootA problem with this, though, is that a Beagle says (page 11 panel 8) "Help! We surrender! Save us and we'll all vote for you next year!" This is supposed to be 1902, and the following election shoud be in 1904; as Wikipedia says: "The United States presidential election of 1904 was the 30th quadrennial presidential election, held on Tuesday, November 8, 1904. Incumbent President and Republican candidate Theodore Roosevelt was elected to a full term. Roosevelt had succeeded to the presidency upon the assassination of William McKinley in September 1901". Was there any other election in USA in 1903? I can't find other elections other than Senate elections in New York, but this should not having to do with the President; plus, the original sketches for "The Invader of Fort Duckburg" have a man telling Roosevelt "Mr President -- We need to start considering your re-election next year!", so it seems Don had the Presidential elections in mind.
I always figured it was just a joke showing how out of touch/panicked the Beagles were. The line is funnier when you know there's not even an election new year, and they're just getting it wrong.
Quote from user: clinton cootQuote from user: ToonArt14August, 1949: Voodoo Hoodoo
I see no problem with this, though I find it weird that in "The Crown Of The Crusader Kings" Scrooge says (page 15 panel 10) "A zombie chased me for fifty years!" If we assume Bombie started following Scrooge around 1909 (I say "around" because some dates in Lo$ part 11 are not clear) then it would be forty years before "Voodoo Hoodoo" (assuming "Voodoo Hoodoo" takes place around the time it was published), not fifty years.
Quote from user: ToonArt14October, 1951: The Fabulous Philosopher's Stone
No problem with this, as long as we ingnore Srooge saying that 1110 was 845 years ago. Since I am willing to ignore things like 1898 being 67 years ago in "North of the Yukon", I can do the same thing with "The Fabulous Philosopher's Stone": after all, it has to take place before "The Crown of the Crusader Kings" which takes place before a "A Letter from Home". Since in "A Letter from Home" the 1930 quarrel between Scrooge and his sisters is said to take place "nearly 25 years" ago, and "The Crown of the Crusader Kings" has a turn of year in it, then we can ignore the impossible 1955 date given in "The Fabulous Philosopher's Stone".
In "Back to the Klondike", Barks makes numerous references to it having been 40 years since the Gold Rush. This would date the story to around 1936-1939.
Scrooge has never been very good with years. ;)
Clinton Coot
Don Rosa stories set in the "Present Day"
Message 20 -
2015-01-01 at 17:22:37
Quote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderHooray! More continuity discussion!
Hooray! It's been so long since the last time I had fun with a discussion about continuity.
Quote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderQuote from user: clinton cootA problem with this, though, is that a Beagle says (page 11 panel 8) "Help! We surrender! Save us and we'll all vote for you next year!" This is supposed to be 1902, and the following election shoud be in 1904; as Wikipedia says: "The United States presidential election of 1904 was the 30th quadrennial presidential election, held on Tuesday, November 8, 1904. Incumbent President and Republican candidate Theodore Roosevelt was elected to a full term. Roosevelt had succeeded to the presidency upon the assassination of William McKinley in September 1901". Was there any other election in USA in 1903? I can't find other elections other than Senate elections in New York, but this should not having to do with the President; plus, the original sketches for "The Invader of Fort Duckburg" have a man telling Roosevelt "Mr President -- We need to start considering your re-election next year!", so it seems Don had the Presidential elections in mind.
I always figured it was just a joke showing how out of touch/panicked the Beagles were. The line is funnier when you know there's not even an election new year, and they're just getting it wrong.
Personally I never thought it was a joke for the simple reason that until recently I never noticed that the following elections were two years after this scene, and it was shortly after finding this out that I also found the sketches where Don has a man telling TR the elections are "next year", which told me Don didn't mean the Beagles to make a mistake. I agree that it is funny to think they are panicking, but I also hope that this and other mistakes gets corrected in reprints.
Quote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderIn "Back to the Klondike", Barks makes numerous references to it having been 40 years since the Gold Rush. This would date the story to around 1936-1939.
Actually, in "Back to the Klondike" Scrooge keeps saying that things happened "fifty years ago", which makes sense.
http://img.geocaching.com/cache/60a26f05-7f2a-4b82-9a2f-8ac2a27bb6cc.jpg
Now, Barks did this story in 1952 (one year before its publication), so if we interpret "fifty years ago" as "about fifty years ago" we can say Barks meant the Klondike scene to happen about 1902, but since the story doesn't show an exact date I am sticking with Don Rosa's date...
Quote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderThe big bar brawl of Dawson City can comfortably be dated to May 9, 1897, by the next day??s newspaper in The Billionaire of Dismal Downs.
...which in retrospect means that "Back to the Klondike" is set about fifty years after this date. And this leads me to
Quote from user: ToonArt14March, 1951: Back to the Klondike
For what I just said I prefer an earlier date: if "Back to the Klondike" is set between 1948 and 1950, it makes more sense that Scrooge is referring to a 1897 event as "fifty years ago".
Hooray! It's been so long since the last time I had fun with a discussion about continuity.
Quote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderQuote from user: clinton cootA problem with this, though, is that a Beagle says (page 11 panel 8) "Help! We surrender! Save us and we'll all vote for you next year!" This is supposed to be 1902, and the following election shoud be in 1904; as Wikipedia says: "The United States presidential election of 1904 was the 30th quadrennial presidential election, held on Tuesday, November 8, 1904. Incumbent President and Republican candidate Theodore Roosevelt was elected to a full term. Roosevelt had succeeded to the presidency upon the assassination of William McKinley in September 1901". Was there any other election in USA in 1903? I can't find other elections other than Senate elections in New York, but this should not having to do with the President; plus, the original sketches for "The Invader of Fort Duckburg" have a man telling Roosevelt "Mr President -- We need to start considering your re-election next year!", so it seems Don had the Presidential elections in mind.
I always figured it was just a joke showing how out of touch/panicked the Beagles were. The line is funnier when you know there's not even an election new year, and they're just getting it wrong.
Personally I never thought it was a joke for the simple reason that until recently I never noticed that the following elections were two years after this scene, and it was shortly after finding this out that I also found the sketches where Don has a man telling TR the elections are "next year", which told me Don didn't mean the Beagles to make a mistake. I agree that it is funny to think they are panicking, but I also hope that this and other mistakes gets corrected in reprints.
Quote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderIn "Back to the Klondike", Barks makes numerous references to it having been 40 years since the Gold Rush. This would date the story to around 1936-1939.
Actually, in "Back to the Klondike" Scrooge keeps saying that things happened "fifty years ago", which makes sense.
http://img.geocaching.com/cache/60a26f05-7f2a-4b82-9a2f-8ac2a27bb6cc.jpg
Now, Barks did this story in 1952 (one year before its publication), so if we interpret "fifty years ago" as "about fifty years ago" we can say Barks meant the Klondike scene to happen about 1902, but since the story doesn't show an exact date I am sticking with Don Rosa's date...
Quote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderThe big bar brawl of Dawson City can comfortably be dated to May 9, 1897, by the next day??s newspaper in The Billionaire of Dismal Downs.
...which in retrospect means that "Back to the Klondike" is set about fifty years after this date. And this leads me to
Quote from user: ToonArt14March, 1951: Back to the Klondike
For what I just said I prefer an earlier date: if "Back to the Klondike" is set between 1948 and 1950, it makes more sense that Scrooge is referring to a 1897 event as "fifty years ago".
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