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Topic: Where is everyone?-Barks Quiz
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Robb_K
Where is everyone?-Barks Quiz
Message 1 -
2007-04-15 at 19:08:15
Harukuro
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Message 2 -
2007-04-15 at 19:29:54
Maybe no one knows what to talk about.:/ Shame...there are a lot of topics that people could discus. I think I'll post up some new topics maybe then people will come back. :)
Olivier
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Message 3 -
2007-04-15 at 20:18:09
I was wondering too-- where everyone had gone, what topic to start.
Well, I did think of something.
Your Disney emoticon request made me want to read that MM story again ("The Gleam"), Rob (I have still not added the hair on the Goofy emoticon, by the way: my apologies; and, though I have not compared them, from the memory I had of it, your reproduction of Gottfredson's drawing was splendid).
It's a really good story, with an original solution to the problem.
I also read "The Black Crow Mystery" a few nights ago-- later the same year, 1942. I love it! I just wish it were a tad longer, with a few more mysterious and suspenseful scenes; night scenes in the fields and the forest especially would have been great.
The villain's motive is quite baffling, though. It's somewhat as crazy as Bill Walsh might have come up with, only less daffy, but it's mighty odd. After so many mentions of the War, it seems they dared not make the villain a German or Japanese spy (the possibility was ruled out in the story at the outbreak of the crisis, and is only confirmed later, so I am not spoiling much here), which is all the stranger as Gottfredson did produce several war-related stories.
Well, I did think of something.
Your Disney emoticon request made me want to read that MM story again ("The Gleam"), Rob (I have still not added the hair on the Goofy emoticon, by the way: my apologies; and, though I have not compared them, from the memory I had of it, your reproduction of Gottfredson's drawing was splendid).
It's a really good story, with an original solution to the problem.
I also read "The Black Crow Mystery" a few nights ago-- later the same year, 1942. I love it! I just wish it were a tad longer, with a few more mysterious and suspenseful scenes; night scenes in the fields and the forest especially would have been great.
The villain's motive is quite baffling, though. It's somewhat as crazy as Bill Walsh might have come up with, only less daffy, but it's mighty odd. After so many mentions of the War, it seems they dared not make the villain a German or Japanese spy (the possibility was ruled out in the story at the outbreak of the crisis, and is only confirmed later, so I am not spoiling much here), which is all the stranger as Gottfredson did produce several war-related stories.
Robb_K
Where is everyone?-Barks Quiz
Message 4 -
2007-04-15 at 20:41:14
I didn't do a "reproduction" of Gottfredson's drawing. I used it as a starting point and model sheet, but I changed the pose. I gave Goofy yet more sadness, and more hopelessness, and turned his face a bit.
Yes, I love those 2 stories (as I do ALL Gottfredson from 1934-1955). Yes, more suspense and even more dastardly villains would have been nice (as would more night scenes). I love mysteries. Gottfredson did well with them, but could have done better. But, I can't help think that Disney didn't want the stories to be made TOO scary for the little kids (unfortunately for us more sophisticated little ones!).
Yes, I love those 2 stories (as I do ALL Gottfredson from 1934-1955). Yes, more suspense and even more dastardly villains would have been nice (as would more night scenes). I love mysteries. Gottfredson did well with them, but could have done better. But, I can't help think that Disney didn't want the stories to be made TOO scary for the little kids (unfortunately for us more sophisticated little ones!).
Olivier
Where is everyone?-Barks Quiz
Message 5 -
2007-04-15 at 21:03:07
Quote from user: Robb_KI love mysteries. Gottfredson did well with them, but could have done better. But, I can't help think that Disney didn't want the stories to be made TOO scary for the little kids (unfortunately for us more sophisticated little ones!).
It might be. There already were some pretty dark scenes in all those stories, though: in this one, the giant crow itself might be deemed scary, as well as the picture of him ready to kill an unsuspecting Mickey. I am not sure to what extent the war-themed stories were kid-friendly (even without getting morbid).
Bill Walsh and he also got away with pretty dark and weird stuff which might well not have made it to the comic books had Barks done them (the readership of the newspaper strip and the comic book being probably considered different).
A case in point: "The House of Mystery" and its ending; or "The Pirate Ghost Ship", where the villain's terrible demise is made very clear and almost shown (you get a picture of him before, right when he's going to get it, and right after).
It might be. There already were some pretty dark scenes in all those stories, though: in this one, the giant crow itself might be deemed scary, as well as the picture of him ready to kill an unsuspecting Mickey. I am not sure to what extent the war-themed stories were kid-friendly (even without getting morbid).
Bill Walsh and he also got away with pretty dark and weird stuff which might well not have made it to the comic books had Barks done them (the readership of the newspaper strip and the comic book being probably considered different).
A case in point: "The House of Mystery" and its ending; or "The Pirate Ghost Ship", where the villain's terrible demise is made very clear and almost shown (you get a picture of him before, right when he's going to get it, and right after).
Robb_K
Where is everyone?-Barks Quiz
Message 6 -
2007-04-15 at 21:16:03
Quote from user: OlivierQuote from user: Robb_KI love mysteries. Gottfredson did well with them, but could have done better. But, I can't help think that Disney didn't want the stories to be made TOO scary for the little kids (unfortunately for us more sophisticated little ones!).
It might be. There already were some pretty dark scenes in all those stories, though: in this one, the giant crow itself might be deemed scary, as well as the picture of him ready to kill an unsuspecting Mickey. I am not sure to what extent the war-themed stories were kid-friendly (even without getting morbid).
Bill Walsh and he also got away with pretty dark and weird stuff which might well not have made it to the comic books had Barks done them (the readership of the newspaper strip and the comic book being probably considered different).
A case in point: "The House of Mystery" and its ending; or "The Pirate Ghost Ship", where the villain's terrible demise is made very clear and almost shown (you get a picture of him before, right when he's going to get it, and right after).
True enough. Yet, I would have like Gottfredson to be even more dark and scary. I would have liked some "sick' and sadistic villains (not just weird or eccentric ones). Admittedly, Gottfredson/Walsh went a lot further than Barks was able to.
It might be. There already were some pretty dark scenes in all those stories, though: in this one, the giant crow itself might be deemed scary, as well as the picture of him ready to kill an unsuspecting Mickey. I am not sure to what extent the war-themed stories were kid-friendly (even without getting morbid).
Bill Walsh and he also got away with pretty dark and weird stuff which might well not have made it to the comic books had Barks done them (the readership of the newspaper strip and the comic book being probably considered different).
A case in point: "The House of Mystery" and its ending; or "The Pirate Ghost Ship", where the villain's terrible demise is made very clear and almost shown (you get a picture of him before, right when he's going to get it, and right after).
True enough. Yet, I would have like Gottfredson to be even more dark and scary. I would have liked some "sick' and sadistic villains (not just weird or eccentric ones). Admittedly, Gottfredson/Walsh went a lot further than Barks was able to.
Cacou
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2007-04-15 at 21:26:28
This is indeed a very good story, but published just once in France.
I wonder why many post 1940 Gottfredson stories are so rare (it is not even because of the war subject, since many Gottfredson stories from the 1950s haven't been published).
Here is a list of the rarest ones:
YM 055 MM's Wild Holiday 3
YM 056 The Nazi Submarine 5
YM 059 Pluto the Spy Catcher 5
YM 061 The War Orphans 7
YM 138 Pluto in Love Trouble 7
YM 133 Mickey Takes Umbrage 8
YM 109 The Foundling 9
YM 135 The Kid Gang 9
YM 053 Working to Win 10
YM 094 Mickey the Icky 10
YM 136 Uncle Gudger 10
YM 139 Li'l Davy 10
I wonder why many post 1940 Gottfredson stories are so rare (it is not even because of the war subject, since many Gottfredson stories from the 1950s haven't been published).
Here is a list of the rarest ones:
YM 055 MM's Wild Holiday 3
YM 056 The Nazi Submarine 5
YM 059 Pluto the Spy Catcher 5
YM 061 The War Orphans 7
YM 138 Pluto in Love Trouble 7
YM 133 Mickey Takes Umbrage 8
YM 109 The Foundling 9
YM 135 The Kid Gang 9
YM 053 Working to Win 10
YM 094 Mickey the Icky 10
YM 136 Uncle Gudger 10
YM 139 Li'l Davy 10
Olivier
Where is everyone?-Barks Quiz
Message 8 -
2007-04-15 at 22:09:54
Reasons? Let's see...
>>>>YM 055 MM's Wild Holiday 3
Ooooh, "Wild". Sounds too, uh, wild for publication.
>>>> YM 056 The Nazi Submarine 5
A terrible N-word. Maybe if it were replaced by "Naughty".
>>>> YM 059 Pluto the Spy Catcher 5
Sounds bad. "Spy" means the country is threatened. And Pluto used in a dangerous mission? This could mean trouble with the associations for the protection of animals.
>>>> YM 061 The War Orphans 7
Are you kidding? Have you read the title? And the subject? Orphans? That's terrible.
>>>> YM 138 Pluto in Love Trouble 7
Sounds too risqué and indecent.
>>>>YM 133 Mickey Takes Umbrage 8
Housing a gorilla? This is against the law. Children might try to do this.
>>>> YM 109 The Foundling 9
Another oprhan? Forget it.
>>>> YM 135 The Kid Gang 9
Proof Dr. Wertham was right.
>>>> YM 053 Working to Win 10
Oh, nonononono: too agressive. "To win" implies "against" somebody, and that somebody is friendly nowadays; you wouldn't want to hurt their feelings and stir up bad memories, would you?
>>>> YM 094 Mickey the Icky 10
What a sicky title.
>>>> YM 136 Uncle Gudger 10
Hmm-- don't remember, but there must be a good reason for banning it, or it wouldn't be.
>>>> YM 139 Li'l Davy 10
A young kid that never goes to school, lives in the wild, carries and uses several lethal weapons, and hunts (therefore kills cute li'l critters)?! that's the example you want to set for children?!
http://bobcat74.free.fr/obemoticons/smileys/obs00173.giflivier
>>>>YM 055 MM's Wild Holiday 3
Ooooh, "Wild". Sounds too, uh, wild for publication.
>>>> YM 056 The Nazi Submarine 5
A terrible N-word. Maybe if it were replaced by "Naughty".
>>>> YM 059 Pluto the Spy Catcher 5
Sounds bad. "Spy" means the country is threatened. And Pluto used in a dangerous mission? This could mean trouble with the associations for the protection of animals.
>>>> YM 061 The War Orphans 7
Are you kidding? Have you read the title? And the subject? Orphans? That's terrible.
>>>> YM 138 Pluto in Love Trouble 7
Sounds too risqué and indecent.
>>>>YM 133 Mickey Takes Umbrage 8
Housing a gorilla? This is against the law. Children might try to do this.
>>>> YM 109 The Foundling 9
Another oprhan? Forget it.
>>>> YM 135 The Kid Gang 9
Proof Dr. Wertham was right.
>>>> YM 053 Working to Win 10
Oh, nonononono: too agressive. "To win" implies "against" somebody, and that somebody is friendly nowadays; you wouldn't want to hurt their feelings and stir up bad memories, would you?
>>>> YM 094 Mickey the Icky 10
What a sicky title.
>>>> YM 136 Uncle Gudger 10
Hmm-- don't remember, but there must be a good reason for banning it, or it wouldn't be.
>>>> YM 139 Li'l Davy 10
A young kid that never goes to school, lives in the wild, carries and uses several lethal weapons, and hunts (therefore kills cute li'l critters)?! that's the example you want to set for children?!
http://bobcat74.free.fr/obemoticons/smileys/obs00173.giflivier
Robb_K
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Message 9 -
2007-04-15 at 23:13:42
Quote from user: OlivierReasons? Let's see...
>>>>YM 055 MM's Wild Holiday 3
Ooooh, "Wild". Sounds too, uh, wild for publication.
>>>> YM 056 The Nazi Submarine 5
A terrible N-word. Maybe if it were replaced by "Naughty".
>>>> YM 059 Pluto the Spy Catcher 5
Sounds bad. "Spy" means the country is threatened. And Pluto used in a dangerous mission? This could mean trouble with the associations for the protection of animals.
>>>> YM 061 The War Orphans 7
Are you kidding? Have you read the title? And the subject? Orphans? That's terrible.
>>>> YM 138 Pluto in Love Trouble 7
Sounds too risqué and indecent.
>>>>YM 133 Mickey Takes Umbrage 8
Housing a gorilla? This is against the law. Children might try to do this.
>>>> YM 109 The Foundling 9
Another oprhan? Forget it.
>>>> YM 135 The Kid Gang 9
Proof Dr. Wertham was right.
>>>> YM 053 Working to Win 10
Oh, nonononono: too agressive. "To win" implies "against" somebody, and that somebody is friendly nowadays; you wouldn't want to hurt their feelings and stir up bad memories, would you?
>>>> YM 094 Mickey the Icky 10
What a sicky title.
>>>> YM 136 Uncle Gudger 10
Hmm-- don't remember, but there must be a good reason for banning it, or it wouldn't be.
>>>> YM 139 Li'l Davy 10
A young kid that never goes to school, lives in the wild, carries and uses several lethal weapons, and hunts (therefore kills cute li'l critters)?! that's the example you want to set for children?!
http://bobcat74.free.fr/obemoticons/smileys/obs00173.giflivier
What are those numbers after the titles referring to?
Maybe Uncle Gudger was a bit too eccentric (which could remind some readers of insanity)?
To me, ALL of Gottfredson's stories are HISTORICAL. As such, they should be able to be enjoyed by children and adults, alike. Children might be inspired to read up on World War II. Maybe it would be GOOD for children now to learn what The Nazis and The German Government and The Japanese Governments did during World War II. Maybe children in USA might consider the relationships of such events to events occurring in The World today, or to what The US Government did to Native Americans, or what Europeans (especially colonials) did to captive Africans for hundreds of years. Maybe "sheltering" young readers from one society's point of view in any historical period is a BAD thing? Maybe censoring an art creator's work, keeping him from an audience is a BAD (nay, EVIL) thing.
>>>>YM 055 MM's Wild Holiday 3
Ooooh, "Wild". Sounds too, uh, wild for publication.
>>>> YM 056 The Nazi Submarine 5
A terrible N-word. Maybe if it were replaced by "Naughty".
>>>> YM 059 Pluto the Spy Catcher 5
Sounds bad. "Spy" means the country is threatened. And Pluto used in a dangerous mission? This could mean trouble with the associations for the protection of animals.
>>>> YM 061 The War Orphans 7
Are you kidding? Have you read the title? And the subject? Orphans? That's terrible.
>>>> YM 138 Pluto in Love Trouble 7
Sounds too risqué and indecent.
>>>>YM 133 Mickey Takes Umbrage 8
Housing a gorilla? This is against the law. Children might try to do this.
>>>> YM 109 The Foundling 9
Another oprhan? Forget it.
>>>> YM 135 The Kid Gang 9
Proof Dr. Wertham was right.
>>>> YM 053 Working to Win 10
Oh, nonononono: too agressive. "To win" implies "against" somebody, and that somebody is friendly nowadays; you wouldn't want to hurt their feelings and stir up bad memories, would you?
>>>> YM 094 Mickey the Icky 10
What a sicky title.
>>>> YM 136 Uncle Gudger 10
Hmm-- don't remember, but there must be a good reason for banning it, or it wouldn't be.
>>>> YM 139 Li'l Davy 10
A young kid that never goes to school, lives in the wild, carries and uses several lethal weapons, and hunts (therefore kills cute li'l critters)?! that's the example you want to set for children?!
http://bobcat74.free.fr/obemoticons/smileys/obs00173.giflivier
What are those numbers after the titles referring to?
Maybe Uncle Gudger was a bit too eccentric (which could remind some readers of insanity)?
To me, ALL of Gottfredson's stories are HISTORICAL. As such, they should be able to be enjoyed by children and adults, alike. Children might be inspired to read up on World War II. Maybe it would be GOOD for children now to learn what The Nazis and The German Government and The Japanese Governments did during World War II. Maybe children in USA might consider the relationships of such events to events occurring in The World today, or to what The US Government did to Native Americans, or what Europeans (especially colonials) did to captive Africans for hundreds of years. Maybe "sheltering" young readers from one society's point of view in any historical period is a BAD thing? Maybe censoring an art creator's work, keeping him from an audience is a BAD (nay, EVIL) thing.
Olivier
Where is everyone?-Barks Quiz
Message 10 -
2007-04-15 at 23:15:14
Exactly. They have finally done it right with the Disney Treasures DVDs, including introductions by Leonard Maltin for the cartoons they deemed most sensitive. The same ought to be done for the comics.
Hedberg
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Message 11 -
2007-04-16 at 18:02:13
Year, its great with the Treasures dvd's, though I'm not so happy with the "gulliness" of Leonard Maltin - infact I think he (they) talk "down" to our intelligence..
That goes for new editions of, whatever, with an introduction or foreword by some headmaster, talking about the past, as if it never happened (WW2, genocide, Vietnam etc.)
Make reprints in smaler editions, uncensured by the way - it must be rentable, worldwide...
Jan
That goes for new editions of, whatever, with an introduction or foreword by some headmaster, talking about the past, as if it never happened (WW2, genocide, Vietnam etc.)
Make reprints in smaler editions, uncensured by the way - it must be rentable, worldwide...
Jan
Pmspg
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Message 12 -
2007-04-16 at 20:21:15
Quote from user: Olivier>>>> YM 053 Working to Win 10
Oh, nonononono: too agressive. "To win" implies "against" somebody, and that somebody is friendly nowadays; you wouldn't want to hurt their feelings and stir up bad memories, would you?
In France it's twice agressive :
win => we prefer the charm of the losers
working => we prefer leisure time
;)
Oh, nonononono: too agressive. "To win" implies "against" somebody, and that somebody is friendly nowadays; you wouldn't want to hurt their feelings and stir up bad memories, would you?
In France it's twice agressive :
win => we prefer the charm of the losers
working => we prefer leisure time
;)
Lars Jensen
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Message 13 -
2007-04-16 at 21:24:28
Quote from user: HedbergMake reprints in smaler editions, uncensured by the way - it must be rentable, worldwide...
If a company wants to sell Disney books worldwide, it needs a worldwide license. Such a license will probably be expensive.
If a company wants to sell Disney books worldwide, it needs a worldwide license. Such a license will probably be expensive.
Olivier
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Message 14 -
2007-04-16 at 21:49:41
Quote from user: HedbergYear, its great with the Treasures dvd's, though I'm not so happy with the "gulliness" of Leonard Maltin - infact I think he (they) talk "down" to our intelligence..
They do take all sorts of precautions (making clear the stereotypes-- in the visuals & dialogue-- are dated, were acceptable, are not condoned, should be considered in context, were not the expression of a racist agenda, ...), and of course, the introductions cannot be skipped.
Yet, at least, we finally get to treasure (no pun) these cartoons and shows, so it's a small inconvenient, compared to their possible loss.
They do take all sorts of precautions (making clear the stereotypes-- in the visuals & dialogue-- are dated, were acceptable, are not condoned, should be considered in context, were not the expression of a racist agenda, ...), and of course, the introductions cannot be skipped.
Yet, at least, we finally get to treasure (no pun) these cartoons and shows, so it's a small inconvenient, compared to their possible loss.
Ramapith
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Message 15 -
2007-04-17 at 04:18:23
Disney requires that specific cartoons have introductions before them on the Treasures DVDs. The question of which cartoons are chosen for this treatment is up to Disney??almost everyone can name a few that they're surprised got the warnings in front, and a few that they're amazed didn't.
Leonard and others (myself included!) agree with you, Olivier, that it's worth it to be able to get these cartoons at all.
Re: the question of why certain Gottfredson stories haven't been reprinted in English??well, we haven't gotten to them yet! A few might be considered offensive, but many aren't, so just give us a chance and see what we come up with! No need to study the stories' titles to try to imagine why they're "withheld," when in reality many aren't objectionable in any way.
"Mickey's Dangerous Double" will be the next one we serialize.
Leonard and others (myself included!) agree with you, Olivier, that it's worth it to be able to get these cartoons at all.
Re: the question of why certain Gottfredson stories haven't been reprinted in English??well, we haven't gotten to them yet! A few might be considered offensive, but many aren't, so just give us a chance and see what we come up with! No need to study the stories' titles to try to imagine why they're "withheld," when in reality many aren't objectionable in any way.
"Mickey's Dangerous Double" will be the next one we serialize.
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