An extension of the discussion on Disney comics' limited readership.
1/ Demographics
It has been suggested Disney comics, like other titles, mostly have an adult readership-- possible factors: television, video games, the Internet, education, ...
What do the reader's letters / e-mails tell you, Daniel? That's only the letter-writing part of the readership, but it can be compared with the letters sent to Gladstone. Who writes Gemstone the most?
2/ Covers
Disney comics probably are still considered "kiddie" comics by too many.
Should there be more story-related covers, especially covers clearly telling potential readers the comic contains adventure and action?
Do the gentle gag covers turn off potential readers?
I have absolutely nothing agaisnt those covers, mind you; I love them, whether by Barks, Branca, Jippes, Buettner, and others.
I am just wondering if this might help increase readership-- and I suppose Gemstone must often ponder the question (maybe not for each cover choice, but surely once every few covers).
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Olivier
Covers & Readers
Message 1 -
2008-03-28 at 17:05:53
Morequack
Covers & Readers
Message 2 -
2008-03-28 at 17:10:51
Quote from user: OlivierAn extension of the discussion on Disney comics' limited readership.
Should there be more story-related covers, especially covers clearly telling potential readers the comic contains adventure and action?
Do the gentle gag covers turn off potential readers?
Yes, yes, yes!!! I have always felt that this is true. Even as a kid I was much more attracted to a cover with an adventure theme. To me, it's a no-brainer. Adults AND kids LIKE ADVENTURE STORIES.
Should there be more story-related covers, especially covers clearly telling potential readers the comic contains adventure and action?
Do the gentle gag covers turn off potential readers?
Yes, yes, yes!!! I have always felt that this is true. Even as a kid I was much more attracted to a cover with an adventure theme. To me, it's a no-brainer. Adults AND kids LIKE ADVENTURE STORIES.
Roger North
Covers & Readers
Message 3 -
2008-03-28 at 17:21:41
I agree adventure stories are good but gag stories aren't too bad either.
Mvblair
Covers & Readers
Message 4 -
2008-03-29 at 02:57:16
Quote from user: Olivier2/ Covers
Disney comics probably are still considered "kiddie" comics by too many.
Should there be more story-related covers, especially covers clearly telling potential readers the comic contains adventure and action?
Do the gentle gag covers turn off potential readers?
I have absolutely nothing agaisnt those covers, mind you; I love them, whether by Barks, Branca, Jippes, Buettner, and others.
I am just wondering if this might help increase readership-- and I suppose Gemstone must often ponder the question (maybe not for each cover choice, but surely once every few covers).
Growing up, I always wanted to like comic books, but I could never find anything that really appealed to me, except a few titles like "Groo." My real love was the comic strips: "Calvin and Hobbes," "Bloom County," and others. I always went to the comic book store, but I could never find any titles that I really liked. I saw "Uncle Scrooge" and "Donald Duck" and the other Disney titles, but I never considered them because I thought they were too "kiddie." Years later in college, I saw copies of Rainbow publishing's "Carl Barks Library" at the university library. Not wanting to study at 11:30 on a Friday night, I picked it up on a lark. I turned to an essay about how Barks used black and white shadows in landscapes and foregrounds. I was fascinated by that little 4 page essay. The art reminded me of "Pogo" and the other strips that I love, so I was hooked. I read a couple of stories that night and realized that, yes, they had childlike innocence, but also a very sophisticated artistic format and story-telling that was better than most other comic books.
So, all of this is a long way of saying that I was not attracted to the covers of the Disney comics. It wasn't until I saw that great essay that I started to enjoy Carl Barks and the other Disney comics.
Disney comics probably are still considered "kiddie" comics by too many.
Should there be more story-related covers, especially covers clearly telling potential readers the comic contains adventure and action?
Do the gentle gag covers turn off potential readers?
I have absolutely nothing agaisnt those covers, mind you; I love them, whether by Barks, Branca, Jippes, Buettner, and others.
I am just wondering if this might help increase readership-- and I suppose Gemstone must often ponder the question (maybe not for each cover choice, but surely once every few covers).
Growing up, I always wanted to like comic books, but I could never find anything that really appealed to me, except a few titles like "Groo." My real love was the comic strips: "Calvin and Hobbes," "Bloom County," and others. I always went to the comic book store, but I could never find any titles that I really liked. I saw "Uncle Scrooge" and "Donald Duck" and the other Disney titles, but I never considered them because I thought they were too "kiddie." Years later in college, I saw copies of Rainbow publishing's "Carl Barks Library" at the university library. Not wanting to study at 11:30 on a Friday night, I picked it up on a lark. I turned to an essay about how Barks used black and white shadows in landscapes and foregrounds. I was fascinated by that little 4 page essay. The art reminded me of "Pogo" and the other strips that I love, so I was hooked. I read a couple of stories that night and realized that, yes, they had childlike innocence, but also a very sophisticated artistic format and story-telling that was better than most other comic books.
So, all of this is a long way of saying that I was not attracted to the covers of the Disney comics. It wasn't until I saw that great essay that I started to enjoy Carl Barks and the other Disney comics.
Robb_K
Covers & Readers
Message 5 -
2008-03-29 at 05:27:57
I love gag covers too (perhaps more than adventure covers).
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/7858/moosecalvq9.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/7858/moosecalvq9.jpg
Olivier
Covers & Readers
Message 6 -
2008-03-29 at 12:56:04
A very interesting account of your personal experience, mvblair, thanks.
This introduces another factor I had not mentionned: hardcover editions and how appealing they may be by making it look "more serious"; the essays certainly help a lot, since they are truly literary analyses (thanks to the quality of the stories themselves).
Having such anthologies on display in public and university libraries may thus help make more people aware that, in the right hands, Disney comics are not merely cute funny animal slapstick gags.
A silly question, Robb: was this drawing meant for a cover (not much room for the title, though), a story, or is just something you did for the fun of it?
This introduces another factor I had not mentionned: hardcover editions and how appealing they may be by making it look "more serious"; the essays certainly help a lot, since they are truly literary analyses (thanks to the quality of the stories themselves).
Having such anthologies on display in public and university libraries may thus help make more people aware that, in the right hands, Disney comics are not merely cute funny animal slapstick gags.
A silly question, Robb: was this drawing meant for a cover (not much room for the title, though), a story, or is just something you did for the fun of it?
Zapjones
Covers & Readers
Message 7 -
2008-03-29 at 16:00:04
How about having 2 covers on each issue? one adventurous, one gag.
I am not suggesting the money grubbing concept of having multiple covers. Both covers would be on the same book. one on the front, one on the back.
I am not suggesting the money grubbing concept of having multiple covers. Both covers would be on the same book. one on the front, one on the back.
Robb_K
Covers & Readers
Message 8 -
2008-03-29 at 22:38:25
Quote from user: OlivierA silly question, Robb: was this drawing meant for a cover (not much room for the title, though), a story, or is just something you did for the fun of it?
Not a silly question, Olivier. I drew it originally, during a period of hashing out cover ideas. After drawing the blue pencils, I realised that it was too long, vertically (related to its horizontal length), for a cover. But, more importantly, the gag was too weak (not really a gag), but a disaster scene. Actually, this would have gone better as an action scene from a story. So, I never submitted it. Maybe, in future, I'll write a Jr. Woodchucks story about HDL studying The Canadian Moose, and re-orient the cover scene to the proper dimensions, and submit it together with the story.
Not a silly question, Olivier. I drew it originally, during a period of hashing out cover ideas. After drawing the blue pencils, I realised that it was too long, vertically (related to its horizontal length), for a cover. But, more importantly, the gag was too weak (not really a gag), but a disaster scene. Actually, this would have gone better as an action scene from a story. So, I never submitted it. Maybe, in future, I'll write a Jr. Woodchucks story about HDL studying The Canadian Moose, and re-orient the cover scene to the proper dimensions, and submit it together with the story.
Robb_K
Covers & Readers
Message 9 -
2008-03-29 at 23:45:28
The following are a few gag covers I submitted to Gutenberghus (Egmont) between 1990 and 1992, that I still haven't heard their verdict on:
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/5176/band2qn8.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/4802/springsey0.jpg
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/6729/luckut8.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/5031/spritzerbj4.png
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/5176/band2qn8.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/4802/springsey0.jpg
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/6729/luckut8.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/5031/spritzerbj4.png
Olivier
Covers & Readers
Message 10 -
2008-03-30 at 16:41:13
Thanks for the "new" drawings, Robb!
The first two are definitely in the vein of Barks' gag covers-- down to Donald's pose, especially in the first one; I just don't like the expression of the nephew who is handling the record player, it's not quite right.
Come to think of it, the nephews did do exactly that in a ten-pager, didn't they?
The third one is good, too.
The last one is very funny, but I think at least one of the other nephews should be holding his glass eagerly (and maybe both).
This staging suggests H's antics are quite normal to L&D, who are casually dressing the table, and thus focuses on Donald's reaction and H's way of filling up the glasses.
Making one nephew, or both, hold his glass gleefully would make the nephew(s) more active-- or rather (since DL [i]are[§i] active, dressing the table), different from the third nephew. Similarly, maybe at least one nephew in the second drawing should be waving his arms, so as not to have three times (almost) the same thing.
:)
The first two are definitely in the vein of Barks' gag covers-- down to Donald's pose, especially in the first one; I just don't like the expression of the nephew who is handling the record player, it's not quite right.
Come to think of it, the nephews did do exactly that in a ten-pager, didn't they?
The third one is good, too.
The last one is very funny, but I think at least one of the other nephews should be holding his glass eagerly (and maybe both).
This staging suggests H's antics are quite normal to L&D, who are casually dressing the table, and thus focuses on Donald's reaction and H's way of filling up the glasses.
Making one nephew, or both, hold his glass gleefully would make the nephew(s) more active-- or rather (since DL [i]are[§i] active, dressing the table), different from the third nephew. Similarly, maybe at least one nephew in the second drawing should be waving his arms, so as not to have three times (almost) the same thing.
:)
Robb_K
Covers & Readers
Message 11 -
2008-03-30 at 17:16:46
Quote from user: OlivierThanks for the "new" drawings, Robb!
The first two are definitely in the vein of Barks' gag covers-- down to Donald's pose, especially in the first one; I just don't like the expression of the nephew who is handling the record player, it's not quite right.
Come to think of it, the nephews did do exactly that in a ten-pager, didn't they?
The third one is good, too.
The last one is very funny, but I think at least one of the other nephews should be holding his glass eagerly (and maybe both).
This staging suggests H's antics are quite normal to L&D, who are casually dressing the table, and thus focuses on Donald's reaction and H's way of filling up the glasses.
Making one nephew, or both, hold his glass gleefully would make the nephew(s) more active-- or rather (since DL [i]are[§i] active, dressing the table), different from the third nephew. Similarly, maybe at least one nephew in the second drawing should be waving his arms, so as not to have three times (almost) the same thing.
:)
Thanks for the critique. Maybe I'll redraw (and re-submit) the last one per your comments. As to the record player gag: It's probably too late to submit it again. The major reason it wasn't used in 1992 was probably the fact that most kids wouldn't have known what a record player was, even back then. Certainly only those whose parents work in cultural musea would know that now. I tried to put a "guilty" expression on the Nephew. Also, the stool holding up the bass fiddle got totally covered up, so it looks like the instrument is standing up in mid air, on an angle.
The first two are definitely in the vein of Barks' gag covers-- down to Donald's pose, especially in the first one; I just don't like the expression of the nephew who is handling the record player, it's not quite right.
Come to think of it, the nephews did do exactly that in a ten-pager, didn't they?
The third one is good, too.
The last one is very funny, but I think at least one of the other nephews should be holding his glass eagerly (and maybe both).
This staging suggests H's antics are quite normal to L&D, who are casually dressing the table, and thus focuses on Donald's reaction and H's way of filling up the glasses.
Making one nephew, or both, hold his glass gleefully would make the nephew(s) more active-- or rather (since DL [i]are[§i] active, dressing the table), different from the third nephew. Similarly, maybe at least one nephew in the second drawing should be waving his arms, so as not to have three times (almost) the same thing.
:)
Thanks for the critique. Maybe I'll redraw (and re-submit) the last one per your comments. As to the record player gag: It's probably too late to submit it again. The major reason it wasn't used in 1992 was probably the fact that most kids wouldn't have known what a record player was, even back then. Certainly only those whose parents work in cultural musea would know that now. I tried to put a "guilty" expression on the Nephew. Also, the stool holding up the bass fiddle got totally covered up, so it looks like the instrument is standing up in mid air, on an angle.
Robb_K
Covers & Readers
Message 12 -
2008-03-30 at 21:31:00
Here's one I drew in 2001:
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/1405/beagle2jm9.jpg
And one I drew in the early 1980s, before I could draw very well:
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/4214/ghoulby7.jpg
And one from the late 1990s:
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/5637/raceed9.jpg
And one from the early 2000s:
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8286/egaclausec2.jpg
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/1405/beagle2jm9.jpg
And one I drew in the early 1980s, before I could draw very well:
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/4214/ghoulby7.jpg
And one from the late 1990s:
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/5637/raceed9.jpg
And one from the early 2000s:
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8286/egaclausec2.jpg
Mvblair
Covers & Readers
Message 13 -
2008-03-30 at 22:18:56
Delightful pictures, Robb! I got a real kick out of looking at them. Thanks for sharing. They're certainly funny!! :D
By the way, I neglected to mention this in my previous post, but now I certainly prefer the gag covers. They're just an extra little joke that the reader gets to see.
By the way, I neglected to mention this in my previous post, but now I certainly prefer the gag covers. They're just an extra little joke that the reader gets to see.
Olivier
Covers & Readers
Message 14 -
2008-03-30 at 23:37:31
I did "get" what kind of expression you had done, but, if I may be so bold as to say so, it did not quite turn out as pretty as the rest of the drawing.
More covers! :)
I particularly love the first one. I remember a story in which Scrooge had a miniature canon on top of his ha, but I can't recall the story.
The second one of this batch would be great for Halloween.
More covers! :)
I particularly love the first one. I remember a story in which Scrooge had a miniature canon on top of his ha, but I can't recall the story.
The second one of this batch would be great for Halloween.
Robb_K
Covers & Readers
Message 15 -
2008-03-31 at 02:59:50
Quote from user: OlivierThe second one of this batch would be great for Halloween.
That's a trick I would have liked to play on my father. He's only 21 years older than I, and he was an athlete, and so, had a good heart (no chance of having scared him into a heart attack). But I didn't do it, as I didn't have the money to buy our family a new dinner table! in any case, we lived also with his parents and some older aunts and uncles, so there could have been heart attacks at that dinner, if I'd have tried that trick. Too bad! Now I'm 60 years old, and so my girlfriends and other friends are also too old to try it on.
That's a trick I would have liked to play on my father. He's only 21 years older than I, and he was an athlete, and so, had a good heart (no chance of having scared him into a heart attack). But I didn't do it, as I didn't have the money to buy our family a new dinner table! in any case, we lived also with his parents and some older aunts and uncles, so there could have been heart attacks at that dinner, if I'd have tried that trick. Too bad! Now I'm 60 years old, and so my girlfriends and other friends are also too old to try it on.
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